Anyone notice how hard it is to notice patterns? For instance, there is a cell phone TV commercial whose tagline is "more bars in more places," and in the background of all the shots they are showing there are bars resembling the signal bars on a cellphone--which I never noticed until I saw the commercial after I had been drinking (drinking makes my ADHD symptoms pretty much go away). Another Budweiser commercial that does the same thing, only using a logo instead, also escaped my understanding until I saw it after I had been drinking. A similar thing happened with my screen saver, which also involves patterns (though I figured out the pattern without alcohol, it took a few months).

It was so strange to think that that had been the whole point of the commercials and it had escaped me after dozens of viewings. Little children watching those commercials could probably understand them, but not me.

I'm very good at pattern recognition in some ways, but I'd probably miss (actually I have) the bars in the cell-phone commercial. I don't think it's about intrinsic pattern recognition capability, but purely being an ADD issue, at least that's how I see it. I'm constantly looking for patterns in everything, which is a huge advantage to me (less to remember).

I suppose that makes me the opposite of HF (and I do admire him!), as my tendency to see/look for patterns tends to result in a high degree of distraction and lack of focus if I keep at it for too long. Of course I tend to think different people perceive different types of patterning ;).

Crazy :cool:

Well, patterns in general, not necessarily visual patterns.... Asymmetry tends to distract me. Oh... and yes, visual patterns are distracting here too, which I think is the advantage to me here (what is distracting tends to have a firmer grip in my memory banks). Just not always...

That's what I meant :) I do not necessarily look for visual patterns with my eyes. I tend towards finding patterns in many diverse ways, and it gets distracting :faint:.

Crazy :cool:

I figured that, but I tend not to stay put on the same meta-level throughout my post....

I figured that, but I tend not to stay put on the same meta-level throughout my post....http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/kzrainbow/queasy.gif Shoot neither do I...is that something we are supposed to do??

Crazy :cool:

I didn't mean to say this was some kind of lack of ability (i.e., that the pattern per se was incomprehensible so much that I just didn't notice it).

But it does make me really wonder what else am I missing? Are there elements of architecture, interior design, art, music, etc. etc. that are obvious to everyone else but lost on me? I have been a very academic, nerdy, intellectual, whatever person so this is a big realization for me. Thank God nothing in school ever asked me to recognize patterns like this (e.g., we never had serious art classes).

I can sit and watch something a dozen times and it just doesn't register. Sometimes it even looks like I am intently focused on the TV but I'm really no where to be found.....
I really do like that zebra floppy leg commercial...

I see and think patterns all the time. Some people have called me the bday rainman because I'd remember peoples' birthdates, because I'd ask them and file it away. And now when someone tells me their date, I understand them a whole lot better.

It helps in finding bugs during development or out in the field too. I guess they're called analysts. doh....
Crazy, Honey, are you editing your own smileys????
That last one is wonderful. Can you do a raspberry? Like a ppllfffftttttttt! not the fruit?

Oh, what's the topic? Bueyu Blueeu Blyu B l u e u what the heck....
Blueye.... those commercial are meant to have layer upon layer. Like watching a movie or reading a book over. Everytime you read it or see it, you see stuff you didn't before. The little things become important because you got the big gist of it all...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/kzrainbow/raspberry.gifhttp://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/kzrainbow/threadjack2.gif http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/kzrainbow/raspberry.gif

nice tongue action there...http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/kzrainbow/raspberry.gif

Despite the rather distracting post above(where does Crazy find this stuff ?) I see patterns very well, I tend to see the things most miss. I think being dyslexic gives me a disadvantage in spelling in exchange for a huge advantage in pattern recognition. I think I am the opposite, in this particular instance. To me commercial patterns are all toooo transparent.

(where does Crazy find this stuff ?)Charlie: Hey Raymond, remember today when the doctor was asking you those questions? How'd you know the answers?
Raymond: [while brushing his teeth at the same time, Charlie can't make out what he said] I see it.
Charlie: What? Stop that for a second.
Raymond: I see it.

;)

Crazy :cool:

I will always remember when I was first DX'ed - my doctor mentioned to me that I might heighten ability to recognize patterns. I answered by pulling out my leather bound checkbook which has a computer embossed on it with the screen showing hex code. My checks also had hex code as the background. I use to do computer forensics [until I got tired of angry X husbands and X employees], where I would look at a hard drive/files in a hex editor, looking for patterns that my forensics tools might of missed.

Those little fellers are synchronized too...she just whips them things all over...

turbofish--- I used to think in hex. [yeah, I know it sounds weird....] converting between binary and octal and hex and decimal.
But I grew up (became an adult while working) with microprocessors and extracting every bit of efficiency out of the memory and the processor. [Memory was expensive and processors were slow.] Plus I was doing embedded stuff, like coin-op video games... it was all hex and bit shifts and more esoteric stuff. So I'm right there with you turbofish... and forensics and angry people...
It's harder now, but it used to be a snap grepping patterns or using a search to find specific names, etc.
My honey had an almost affair...ok short version...they were emailing each other amd he was using one of the laptops, back in 97? I found ALL KINDS of stuff in the various caches and recyclers...I scoured that laptop. Nailed him.
So I told him that I was gonna show him the various layers of the onion, I got da nile, and then I showed him...ever hit the keyboard of a laptop full force? I impressed myself even. compaq, state of the art at the time... ouch and nomore...and in retrospect, it felt gggrrrreat.
But you did the outside of the file system on the drives as well. cool. and I can relate to getting tired of the angry stuff...ick.

Those little fellers are synchronized too...she just whips them things all over...

[after Ray spills a box of toothpicks on the floor]
Raymond: 82, 82, 82.
Charlie: 82 what?
Raymond: Toothpicks.
Charlie: There's a lot more than 82 toothpicks, Ray.
Raymond: 246 total.
Charlie: How many?
Sally Dibbs: 250.
Charlie: Pretty close.
Sally Dibbs: There's four left in the box.

:D

Crazy :cool:

Pattern recognition and artificial intelligence are pretty much synonymous ...
AI tends to centre in on clustering and classification - separation of a buncha' data into greater than one grouping.

IQ tests will fall by the wayside ... pattern recognition by man - not used as a tool for separating individuals into different boxes - merely a statement that pattern recognition is the closest surrogate to 'intelligence.'
All individuals have the potential to be as intelligent as one another.

Pattern recognition is a consequence of education (all forms - not just formal) ... and uniquely at this point in our history - on the very architecture of mind.
Currently there are 2 architectures - an older and its replacement.
Use of the replacement architecture (soon by all) - results in the characteristic which we describe as 'ADD'.

One cannot recognize 1F this is hex or a typo ... if one is not versed in the many tongues QUOTE=k... tongue action .../QUOTE - is from binary through hexa upta' sexa[gecimal] (and also - the language of love)(of man) ... the first numeric system (base 60).

Uli, wie spät ist es?
7(60)1:54(60)0a.m.

SB.

I had forgotten how math equations actually came about and I found this.
Something so simple as the ratio of circumference to diameter is so profound.

http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/pines/5945/his.html

Pi, which is denoted by the Greek letter *, is the most famous ratio in mathematics, and is one of the most ancient numbers known to humanity. Pi is approximately 3.14 - the number of times that a circle's diameter will fit around the circle. Pi goes on forever, and can't be calculated to perfect precision: 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 1.... This is known as the decimal expansion of pi. No apparent pattern emerges in the succession of digits - a predestined yet unfathomable code. They do not repeat periodically, seemingly to pop up by blind chance, lacking any perceivable order, rule, reason, or design - "random" integers, ad infinitum.

Pi has had various names through the ages, and all of them are either words or abstract symbols, since pi is a number that can't be shown completely and exactly in any finite form of representation. Pi is a transcendental number. A transcendental number is a number but can't be expressed in any finite series of either arithmetical or algebraic operations. Pi slips away from all rational methods to locate it. It is indescribable and can't be found. Ferdinand Lindemann, a German mathematician, proved the transcendence of pi in 1882.

Pi possibly first entered human consciousness in Egypt. The earliest known reference to pi occurs in a Middle Kingdom papyrus scroll, written around 1650 BC by a scribe named Ahmes. He began scroll with the words: "The Entrance Into the Knowledge of All Existing Things" and remarks in passing that he composed the scroll "in likeness to writings made of old." Towards the end of the scroll, which is composed of various mathematical problems and their solutions, the area of a circle is found using a rough sort of pi.

Around 200 BC, Archimedes of Syracuse found that pi is somewhere about 3.14 (in fractions, Greeks did not have decimals). Knowledge of pi then bogged down until the 17th century. Pi was then called the Ludolphian number, after Ludolph van Ceulen, a German mathematician. The first person to use the Greek letter * for the number was William Jones, an English mathematician, who coined it in 1706.

Physicists have noted the ubiquity of pi in nature. Pi is obvious in the disks of the moon and the sun. The double helix of DNA revolves around pi. Pi hides in the rainbow, and sits in the pupil of the eye, and when a raindrop falls into water pi emerges in the spreading rings. Pi can be found in waves and ripples and spectra of all kinds, and therefore pi occurs in colours and music. Pi has lately turned up in superstrings.

Pi occurs naturally in tables of death, in what is known as a Gaussian distribution of deaths in a population; that is, when a person dies, the event "feels" pi. It is one of the great mysteries why nature seems to know mathematics. What seems strange is why the progression from Euclidean geometry to the realization that the earth wasn't flat take so long.
Oh, brother, this is off topic....

SB_UK AI tends to centre in on clustering and classification - separation of a buncha' data into greater than one grouping.yes, and regression and re-iteration, lots of reviewing and comparing until an "emergence" occurs at that level, then on to the next level...

1F, so 0x1F for hex. It is amazing that one can perceive one set of patterns using one number system and another set when converted to an alternate system. The cycles of repetition change for each number system.

The following is just some info for non-techy, non-math types...
[ decimal: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 then 10,11,12,...,19,20,...,99,100 - cycle through 10 digits and start again.
binary: 0,1,10,11,100,101, the cycle=step of 2.
hexadecimal: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F, then 10,11,...,19,1A,1B,...,1F,20 But since we use decimal, because of our fingers, numerical representations beyond 9 don't exist, so we use the alphabet instead.
But why is hex even used? Binary is the native language of computers but to use only 0 and 1 to describe something is inefficient.
Hex is a shortcut for the grouping of 4 binary digits: the following is the binary description of the 16 hex numbers. Then hex and I'll throw in decimal to take it back around.
0000, 0001, 0010, 0011, 0100, 0101, 0110, 0111, 1000, 1001, 1010, 1011, 1100, 1101, 1110, 1111
0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F
00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10,11,12,13,14,15
So for a computer, to represent 16 things in
binary takes 4x16 = 64 digits 0's and 1's
hex takes 1x16 = 16 digits 0 through F
decimal is 2x16 = 32 digits 0 through 9 then 10 through 15, and so 2 slots are needed for each number.
]

This how I approach 'teaching' anything/everything to my kids. son #1 absorbs it all. son #2 has to follow his own train so I just answer questions as he asks - very tangential and it took me 22 years to understand that this is how I had to do it with him. It frustrated the snot outta me. son #3 just wants the answers and I frustrate the snot outta him. I've brought my husband to tears trying to tutor him in applied algebra so he won't ask anymore.
So if I can't influence my 'bones' how could I possibly influence anyone? me, me, me, me,...gotta get over me.

Cray - do you quote this stuff from memory or did you look it up?

and Tammy of course has this raw natural talent, patterns, and the application of them. But Tamms, your math has to be developed for nursing. yes?
and HF gets it.

and Blueye, I hope we didn't totally warp your thread from recognizing subliminal or blatant or intentional layers of data presentation, like commercials, and how they affect and influence us. Did you pay attention to that cellular ad and missed it, or the ad just didn't catch your attention the same way every time?
It takes me a while to get stuff like that.
I do know that it was very common to throw in a subliminal frame or 2, video and audio, so that the unconcious mind sees it and reacts to it. Like a picture of dead things with maggots crawling all over to enhance the horror of the scene. Or yummy food so that we go out to the lobby and buy some popcorn.
I think this practise might have become illegal? like brain washing manipulation.

SB, my desktop is at 10am now. The timestamp of your post was like 11:58pm and 7(60)1:54(60)0a.m.

I also forgot to add the 60. It's that circle thing...360 degrees in a circle. 60 minutes per degree.
related to a 24 hour span. and 360/24 = 15, or 15 minutes to a quadrant. 4x15=60.
round and round and round we go, where we stop, nobody knows.....

"I am a graduate of Starfleet Academy; I know many things."
-- Worf (The Darkness and the Light) http://www.sjacob.org/images/trans.gif

Cray - do you quote this stuff from memory or did you look it up?

1. The pattern showing up everywhere was the punchline of the commercials. It was central, the whole point.

2. I think it's one thing to be told there's a pattern or that you should be looking for a pattern (for instance, in examining code or doing anything for work) and another to have patterns present and just not notice them.

As for the other posts...I have NOO idea what you guys are talking about, but I guess this idea-stemming is par for the course on an ADHD forum.

Did you pay attention to that cellular ad and missed it, or the ad just didn't catch your attention the same way every time?
I watched the ad about as intently as I watch anything on television. But when I had been drinking I guess I paid more attention because of that.

I do know that it was very common to throw in a subliminal frame or 2, video and audio, so that the unconcious mind sees it and reacts to it. Like a picture of dead things with maggots crawling all over to enhance the horror of the scene. Or yummy food so that we go out to the lobby and buy some popcorn.
I think this practise might have become illegal? like brain washing manipulation. Everything I've read has said that subliminal advertising and messages in general don't work. If you can't perceive them at all (because they are inaudible or invisible), they can't affect you. Someone once claimed to have used subliminal movie advertising to sell popcorn but it was a hoax. I had been interested in subliminal self-improvement stuff before which is how I started reading stuff on this subject.

Pattern recognition and artificial intelligence are pretty much synonymous ...

How did you I was faking intelligence? Was it some thing in my patterning?
I alternate my artificial intelligence with genuine stupidity! :p



and Tammy of course has this raw natural talent, patterns, and the application of them. But Tamms, your math has to be developed for nursing. yes?

I have always been pretty decent with patterns, math I do okay never really thought about how or why really . . . . to be honest.




As for the other posts...I have NOO idea what you guys are talking about, but I guess this idea-stemming is par for the course on an ADHD forum.

Math and computer patterns as opposed to commercial patterns, they are both languages math being seen as the universal language, commercials would use “subliminal” patterns of thinking = connections and associations. Like how many ugly alcoholics do you see on bill boards enjoying beer? Obvious answer none they want you to associate their beer with the pretty people having fun!

As usual topic bouncing . . . . .could be the ADD! :rolleyes:

Subliminal messages, history effectiveness (http://www.umich.edu/~onebook/pages/tablepages/history.html)

***Source QuotePublic concern about subliminal manipulation can be seen in 1957 when a marketing researcher looked into statistical data. James Vicary claimed to find dramatic increases in the sales of Coca-Cola and popcorn when he flashed the phrases "Drink Coca-Cola" and "Eat popcorn" for 1/2000 of a second during a movie. The statistics showed an increase in popcorn sales by 58%, with an increase in Coca-Cola sales by 18%. (Cane) This is perhaps the shocking information that led to an enormous response from the public.

Individuals as well as legislators imagined possible effects of subliminal perception on the future- a world where everyone was subliminally manipulated to do what perhaps the government wanted them to do. (Elliston) In reality though, research on subliminal effects has shown little overall effects in controlled conditions. There is no evidence based in real-world settings done by top researchers on influencing behavior. Also, in 1962, Vicary stated that the study was a fabrication and the evidence now suggests it was. He never released a detailed description of his study and there was never any independent evidence to support what he claimed.


The U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) received complaints of a television station using subliminal messages in 1974. This was the first new case since the original in the 1950's. The FCC responded by issuing a public notice, which stated their official position- "We believe that the use of subliminal perception is inconsistent with the obligations of a [broadcast] licensee, and therefore we take this occasion to make clear that broadcasts employing such techniques are contrary to the public interest. Whether effective or not, such broadcasts clearly are intended to be deceptive." The United States government has supposedly tried to take steps to protect individuals from unwanted influences relayed by subliminal messages. It has produced regulations to prohibit subliminal messages to advertise consumer products. Such products include malt beverages and distilled spirits. (anonymous) ***End Source Quote