Anyone know a reliable person that I could share my theory on the cause/treatment of ADHD with? I would seriously like to share it with someone who could test it and determine its credibility. I was a little too excited about my possible discovery last a.m. sorry if I might have gone overboard.

Any chance of a couple of additional bits of information?
Difficult to advise without any knowledge of the nature of your discovery - for instance ... is it in the domain of biochemistry (NMDA receptor functionality, SNRIs)? or social anthropology - maybe in the mind? or the environment (air we breathe) or food we eat ... ... ... or perhaps it's an idea related to living in peace with your ADD?
Is this post reated to your other post in General ADD i.e. 'this is not a hoax...'
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31906 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31906)

cool!

... can't wait to hear a little more (*even* if it is only a word or two) ... :-) ...

SB.

How do you keep an ADDer busy? (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31906)

(over)

Wow SB the same thought one hour apart! Not a perposful act just a noticed one!

allways intrested in on new thoerys ,,,,dorm

My theory - I was born with a busted brain and I'm going to die with one.

Bob

PS Since the above might seem pessimistic, there has never been a dull moment - from the incrediable disasters I've caused to the, hmmmmmn, even worst disasters I've caused :D

It's regarding our physiology and the solution to the issue. I'm afraid to reveal much more than that at this point. No offense.

"It's regarding our physiology and the solution to the issue. I'm afraid to reveal much more than that at this point. No offense."

I don't blame you; anything you post here will be thoroughly debated.



However, you are kind of teasing with posts like this:


"Hey you guys,

My name is Manning and I'm on to something really big that is going to change our lives forever.

If your down, hang in there. I may have solved the riddle. This is not a hoax.

Relief is on its way! Cross your fingers!"


- My fingers are cramped up already : /

Yeah, sorry about that post. I was pretty excited at that moment. I just have a couple more things to make sure there are no holes in my theory and everyone will get a chance to hear/critique. I just want to disseminate it through the proper channels when time and wasn't sure how to go about it.

Well, there's always the American Psychiatric Association, or the National Institute of Mental Health, if you have, you know, medical evidence and all that good stuff.

Okay is it me or did this guy generate more responses by not having a topic than most do by having one . :rolleyes: . .my theory is ADDers are drawn to ambiguity antimony any thing or nothing at all!

Those who follow my “how do you keep and ADDer busy” will find this threads alter ego on General ADD! Naturally some of you already know that! :D

Mg man is this an experiement . . . or entertainment? I mean gee I wish I had thought this already So are you saying this idea you have is bigger than this new form of entertaining ADDers (not to mention ADD moderators) ! Don't forget about the other one in general. You could post half in half but heck you seem to be the idea generator today!

"Perhaps this is the bottom line to mental illness: incomprehensible events occur; your life becomes a bin for hoax-like fluctuations of what used to be reality. And not only that -- as if that weren't enough -- but you, like Fat, ponder forever over these fluctuations in an effort to order them into a coherency, when in fact the only sense they make is the sense you impose on them, out of the necessity to restore everything into shapes and processes you can recognize. The first thing to depart in mental illness is the familiar. And what takes its place is bad news because not only can you not understand it, you also cannot communicate it to other people. "

:eek: :eek:

{Q=gproesatt Zach}
Real reality is a series of
incomprehensible events
Our subjective reality is an act of seeking
coherency in that series of
incomprehensible events
... a series of
incomprehensible events which we
cannot communicate to other people
~mental illness~
{/Q}


... but which we do attempt.

Forum member::Stabile describes some of your ideas as follows ... ... ...

Reality is an artefact of the mind.
There is no such thing as absolute meaning.
Meaning is an artefact of the reality conjured by mind.
Communication is bilateral.
The only trick which the mind (brain) has (need have) is of matching patterns ... the mind is a tool for seeking out patterns in reality (but which are true and which are not).

Nice post - you're onto something there Zach-dude.

SB.

{reprise}

... but which we do attempt.
... and which when (and if) we succeed.
... yields a new unilateral reality.

Hang on in there Zach --- your're taking the max-g chute to a reality more RRReal.

I figured out how I am going to go about this! The reason that I have to be somewhat guarded in this is because I have a few more days before I am in patent pending status. I was told by my attorney that as soon as Monday I could be able to share this information. I am not intentionally being ambiguous or a tease, and NO I am not selling or soliciting anything!

For those of you that are interested, next week you guys can participate in our own ADD/ADHD/Mental Health experiment if you want to test my hypothesis. It will require you getting two lab values drawn and then we can report back. I'm getting mine drawn this morning. However, I need to wait until I have Patent Pending status to protect my theory! My problem was getting so excited (probably manic) upon discovery! For that I apologize, I shouldn't have jumped the gun. I am positive many of you can relate to being extremely excitable and impulsive. I consider you guys family and who more would someone want to help than their family. Please bear with me.

BTW,

SB and Zach you are absolutely right! Think of all the pioneers/inventors/discoverers in the past who were thought to be crazy. Those whose theories and inventions were rejected time and time again. We are "mentally ill" but only as a result of a physical component that we are going to be able to manipulate.

my theory is that reality is for those who cant handle fantasy.

Although the qoute is reflective of my views, I can't take credit for the words themselves as they are from one of my favorite authors - Philip K Dick

I am however familiar with Stabile's posts here on this forum and many of yours. ; )


Although Neistche writes with somewhat of a 'dark' taint, his work lead me to my current line of thought along with others like Marvin Minsky and Daniel C Dennett (to name just a few)

"There is no relation of subject and object but rather a particular species of animal that can prosper only through a certain relative rightness, above all regularity of it's perceptions so that it can accumulate experience. The meaning of knowledge here, as in the case of good or beautiful; the concept is to be regarded in a strict and narrow anthropocentric and biological sense. In order for a particular species to maintain itself and increase it's power it's conception of reality must comprehend enough of the calculable and constant for it to base a scheme of behavior on it; the Utility of preservation (not some abstract theoretical need not to be deceived) stands as the motive behind the development of the organs of knowledge, they developed in such a way that there observations service for our preservation... In other words a species grasps a certain amount of reality in order to become master of it, in order to 'press it into service'."

"What then is truth? A mobile army of metaphors and anthropomorphisms, in short: "A sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm canonical and obligatory to a people.." Truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are, 'metaphors!', which are worn out and with out sensues power. To be truthful means using the customary metaphors, in moral terms, it means the obligation to lie according to a fixed convention, to lie - herd like in a style obligatory to all!"

- Nietzsche

I believe my Signature sums all this up though : /

"my theory is that reality is for those who cant handle fantasy."

:D I think your on to something here! :D

mguffey, you've hit upon what's actually a common theme around here. Every so often a nice thread gets put together on someone's positive perspective toward our abundant so-called-attention-deficit characteristic, not uncommonly started by someone pretty new to these forums (I did so early on too, although after seeing others' positivity). ADD psychiatrists such as Dr. Hallowell like to even say that it's a necessary task to look on the bright side of your condition, in spite of the fact that diagnoses are always made on the basis of problems and inabilities.

So really, it's best you share all the details of your idea right here, to compare and contrast perspectives.

Think of all the pioneers/inventors/discoverers in the past who were thought to be crazy.
Think of all the crazy people in the past who really were crazy.

Before you get too excited, you might want to do a pubmed search on Alan Zametkin, looking specifically for some studies that he did in 1990 and 1993.

You need to find a researcher who is working in this area. You really don't want to practice on live people with adhd because of the legal issues of not haviong a license to practice medicine and the liabilities of medical experiments on humans.

ME :D


Anyone know a reliable person that I could share my theory on the cause/treatment of ADHD with? I would seriously like to share it with someone who could test it and determine its credibility. I was a little too excited about my possible discovery last a.m. sorry if I might have gone overboard.

You really don't want to practice on live people with adhd because of the legal issues of not having a license to practice medicine and the liabilities of medical experiments on humans.

Does this apply even though he asking for us to have lab test drawn, results done in a licensed lab all he is doing is simply reviewing the results? Don’t think he is planning on putting any thing back into us? I am asking seriously as many of you here are more knowledgeable about this issues on a professional level!



Oh yeah thanks speedo I almost forgot:

All research type request made of members here on ADDF MUST be run by Andrew the administrator for approval FIRST!



. . . . . . . .Because of legal liability stuff ,we have to be politely insistent on the above!

PS:

Mguffey I am really not trying to be a PIA,( I am sure it seems that way) I am really a nice person but I promised I would do certain things like remind folks of the guidelines and such. I'm just trying to do what I told the people who run this site I would do.- Thanks ahead of time for your cooperation

I am not intentionally being ambiguous or a tease, and NO I am not selling or soliciting anything!

Moderators and members are equally glad to know this is not a sales pitch, we are all broke any way:

We lost our check book, gave at the office , forgot to find our jobs, the dog ate it all . If we had any denero would we ADDers, be home on the internet posting this stuff?

Is averice the incentive for delaying any info here?
kripes - tammy already mentioned this... what a concept: read something fast, but don't remember it was read, the idea bounces around awhile and comes out as a purported original thought...
I've been blaming people for not paying attention to what I say (not here) and here I am doing the exact same thing...

hyper-ion: Before you get too excited, you might want to do a pubmed search on Alan Zametkin, looking specifically for some studies that he did in 1990 and 1993.
I did this and WOW - what a treasure trove for distraction! I was so glad to see those studies listed for the various mental health dx's that are happening! I wanted to volunteer for all of them...but alas, I am out of range...
After reading this, I am totally humbled and realize that most of what we debate is really for 'fun'.
I can't wait to see the results of those studies!
Do you know how to find that out, Hyper - or anyone? gotta go check the site out again...

Excellent post, H.

and I also feel that this is the best place to have a theory reviewed - if there are holes in it, someone here will see it and blow it sky high... and yet this is also the safest place to express those theories.

Okay is it me or did this guy generate more responses by not having a topic than most do by having one . :rolleyes: . .my theory is ADDers are drawn to ambiguity antimony any thing or nothing at all!

Those who follow my “how do you keep and ADDer busy” will find this threads alter ego on General ADD! Naturally some of you already know that! :D

Mg man is this an experiement . . . or entertainment? I mean gee I wish I had thought this already So are you saying this idea you have is bigger than this new form of entertaining ADDers (not to mention ADD moderators) ! Don't forget about the other one in general. You could post half in half but heck you seem to be the idea generator today!And that about wraps it up for me. Thanks Sis, anything I might have posted would have been a pale shadow afer this gem :D.

I suspect that this expreiment involves something like having the test subject consume a heaping helping of Prater Flakes, swallowing a red capsule and leaping into a Rabbit Hole of some type.

I'd rather play a video game I have already beaten for a second time, and I have severe redundancy aversion about that kind of thing.

Crazy :cool:

This could change to an interesting thread about any theory! Good generic title! I have a million myself. So, I propose that the lack of a cogent response from McGuffey for an eon in ADD time be considered the end of his theory.

From now on, we make this post about our theories of any type. Humorous, serious, wildly out there, and soon. Not as cerebral as evolutionary psychology please! My poor brain still does not get that one. But our theories in regular English or decent translation into English.

Send in the thoughts-we've got to have thoughts.......

RADD

My theory-high school students with ADD are not challenged enough and/or are habituated-learned response to think of their ADD disablility as a handicap, setting up a very negative mind-set that affects present and future success in life. This can be worse than disorder itself. This is from my time subbing in special ed classes. Not a condemnation of the individual teacher-but a system.wide problem. I will expound on this area more at a later date-that is, when I see another injustice that sets me off!

Why do I hold this theory? Go to college campuses and see how students with disabilities are served and relate to the university community. It is a 180 degree difference from high school. ADD/LD students are just like any other tuition paying student.

You get help from disabled student services for your accommodations, yes, you have to work harder. Kind of like the quad or para who needs so much time for personal care but still succeeds in school. No one really cares about your disablity-many think it is cool that you have it. It can open doors for financial assisstance -especially in grad school.

But for once, you are normal-as normal as college students get. In fact-compare yourself to those kids who are experimenting with self-expressionnow that mom and dad are not there and you can feel positively "normal." Even if you are an older student, it doesn't matter. This is one reason I love the university so much. A little weirdness, idiosyncracies, spaciness, oddity, is expected or accepted. So we fit in.

So, once you can master managing the academics, it can be a great environment for people with ADD.

My theory on ADD at High School and college.
RADD

I believe ... {also} ... :-) ...
...students with ADD are not challenged enough...... failure is not a consequence of 'over-challenging' ... the ADDer defines the ADDer's challenge - failure is a sign of disinterest.

Forget any notions of a biased population of ADDers {here} (on this site) ... ... ... in all of my time here - I haven't come across anybody, thus far - who would not be considered intelligent.

Any stigma relating to ADD - arises from misconceptions (understandable though - considering our failure to grasp 'mind') - on the very nature of the condition.

I wonder - if a whole buncha' real healthy guys were told (by an 'authority') - that they were sick ... would they trust their gut or the 'authority'?
... ... ...ahhh!!!... that'd be ... ... ... "...habituated-learned response to think of their ADD disablility as a handicap..."

whoopsy - that'd be an idea which I believe ... {also} ... :-) ... (v2)

...:-)...

SB.

... how about ... ...?...?...?...

{quote}
ADD is a sign of the evolution of man.
ADDer thought has the capacity to power us.
Shortly - the ADDer mind will generate our power.
We will not need to eat.
We will be able to transduce energy direct from sunlight by thinking (just as seen in the plant kingdom - the bamboo, for instance - which grows in water (alone) under the sun ... ... ...
{quote ends}
... from ...
ADDF thread:: (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=329105&postcount=570)Evolutionary Psychology #570


...and...by the way...

->- I'm deadly serious -<-

SB.

failure is not a consequence of 'over-challenging' ... the ADDer defines the ADDer's challenge - failure is a sign of disinterest.
Exactly! I have seen some, and some is way too many, teachers think the ADD kids need things simplified, they essentially teach many of these kids they just can't do it. IIt sets the disinterest cycle into a downward spiral of dumbing down, disinterest, failure, dumbing down, .........t is not the kid with ADD's fault at all. There are too many misconceptions about ADD in the American education system-and in society as a whole. That is another rant.

I hope the slow change from didactic teaching to project-based and problem-based learning will be part of the solution because ADD kids shine in these situations while many kids w/out ADD don't do as well. Does this mean the future could hold another learning disability diagnosis yet to be discovered? The possibility exists.

The first shaky legs of my theory.
RADD

RADD

@SB_UK:

If ADD is evolutionary, either

A) it cannot distinguish its left foot from a hole in the ground (which would not be surprising since it's... well, the ADD itself!) because it is neither the time nor the place for it to help humankind survive by fitness - at least not yet.

or

B) it is our gene pool's final resolution to rid the world of itself before humankind wipes itself out in a flaming inferno (which should not come contradictory to an ADD mind)

or

C) a signal for us to leave the high-tech, dog-eat-dog world and go back to our roots where we can live in caves, live off the nature and leave the ozone alone. (However, I don't see how we can manage THAT without our video games.)

... of my correcttheory.
.....

Thanks SB!

rightbackatcha'... :-) ...

I don't want to hijack Rad's thread ... ... ... and so ...

A) ... at least not yet ...
ADDF thread::Dr Hawkings talks about the next 100 years ... yes yet ... {entire thread}

B)... to rid the world of itself ...
ADDF thread::Meta mind ... evolution ain't don't work that way ... {particularly section on Systems Philosopher - Laszlo}

C)... However, I don't see how ...
ADDF thread::Evolutionary psychology ... ever 'C' the Matrix? ... nothing more malign than 'puissance d'homme' ... ... ... {entire thread}
SB...

A)it cannot distinguish its left foot from a hole in the ground (which would not be surprising since it's... well, the ADD itself!) because it is neither the time nor the place for it to help humankind survive by fitness - at least not yet.

1A)Okay not being able to tell left foot from hole in the ground is not ADD . . . .90% of ADDers know the difference the other 10% don’t care.

2A)It is always the time and place to help mankind via fitness because it is our unfitness that has gotten us into this mess to begin with. Walking instead of driving an excellent example! It save gas unless you eat broccoli before hand then it may create gas but not the kind that harms the ozone!

3A) A is incorrect.




B)it is our gene pool's final resolution to rid the world of itself before humankind wipes itself out in a flaming inferno (which should not come contradictory to an ADD mind)

1B)It comes quite contradictory to my ADD mind, so apparently the ADD mind that thinks the above is true does not share my mind set!

2B)Why is there deadly conflict because people are intolerant of each other differences. Even main stream science will tout on about ADDers inability to categorize properly it is called lack of boundary isolation. We can hardly be in conflict over categories we do not even see.


3B) The same intolerances that make it hard for us to succeed create the social boundaries that create deadly conflicts. Simple answer B is incorrect!




C)a signal for us to leave the high-tech, dog-eat-dog world and go back to our roots where we can live in caves, live off the nature and leave the ozone alone. (However, I don't see how we can manage THAT without our video games.)

1C) I do not play video games so I would have no problem giving them up because there is nothing for me to give up.

2C) We can have high tech and leave the ozone alone if we would just quit letting big oil run our lives it is really that simple. It is not the ADDesr who refuse to see that either! It is those who do not want to upset status quo sense we do not even know what status quo is then this again would not be created by the ADD population.

3C) C is incorrect!

Game over please come again!

Hmmm ... ... ...

D None of the above.

D tick
[- with an option on keeping high-tech - I love 'Space Invaders' - plink plonk plink plonk plink plonk plinkplonk plinkplonk pliplonk plionk oinkoinkoink -]

D None of the above.

The correct ADD answer is to make up ones own answer!

First off, ouch! And yeah, I would misunderstand me too. I really need to work on my communication skillZ.

...It is always the time and place to help mankind via fitness because it is our unfitness that has gotten us into this mess to begin with....
I'm not saying anything to the contrary. What I was trying to say in the entirety of my post was that, I think that ADD is not a very fitting evolutionary path for a person to take today.

Today's world is filled with noise, distraction, fast-paced action. Individuals are expected to compete with each other in ever fiercer and swifter ways. Forgetting things or procrastinating has become non-options. Et cetera.

What I'm saying is, it's an ADD-Hostile environment out there and unless/until the ADD genes become the majority (which would have to change the face of the earth) ADD individuals are not the fittest. $0.2

Thanks for the beating anyway :p

... should mention that the 3 links to threads {above} {ADDF thread::Evolutionary psychology -&&- Meta mind -&&- Dr Hawkings} were referenced as appropriate locations for delving deeper into the points which you raised - post to the threads (if you like) - the benevolent guardian ADDF angels have been kind enough to reconcile all of my favourite threads into the same place ...(fortuitously)...(ADDF::SCIENCE)... occasionally you'll come across a threadnomore (with a lock over its icon - indicating closure) - perhaps if you begin a new thread quoting from the previous thread (in that eventuality).


1.I'm not saying anything to the contrary.
2.What I was trying to say in the entirety of my post was that, I think that ADD is not a very fitting evolutionary path for a person to take today. being contrarian is fine - albeit with reasoned argument - 'is not a very fitting' (from 2.) - is contrary (though)? 3.Today's world is filled with noise, distraction, fast-paced action.
Hmmm ... fast-paced action --- me like! count up the number of adrenaline junkies here - and you'll see that we (more so than most) feel alive when close to its interface with the other guy ... (black coat, pale skin, deep voice) ... 4.Individuals are expected to compete with each other in ever fiercer and swifter ways.
This idea is explored in ADDF thread::Evolutionary psychology5.Forgetting things or procrastinating has become non-options. Et cetera.
Identifying what is important - has become more important6.What I'm saying is, it's an ADD-Hostile environment out there and
An ADDogenic environment - that's how evolution works and explored in ADDF thread::Pure ADD |or| Contextual disorder ... (in addition to Evol Psycho) 7. ... unless/until the ADD genes become the majority
ADD is not a genetic condition in the sense that a gene or two ->- ADD - explored in ADDF thread::Epigenetics |or| Aetiology (which would have to change the face of the earth)
~sorry~ ?don't understand?

8.ADD individuals are not the fittest.
(dependent on sense) - I disagree ...sb.

Damn me. I keep being unable to put what's on my mind into text. Anyway.

'is not a very fitting' (from 2.) - is contrary (though)?
I was trying to say that I did not counter the following argument...
...It is always the time and place to help mankind via fitness..
..which was why I snipped the rest of the quote. I am not trying to say that "it is not time for mankind to survive by fitness", I am simply trying to say that I think ADD is not a good means for survival in current times.

But yes, I like being contrarian, so I must disagree with your disagreement. But, also I like trying to be sympathetic so what I have been trying to say may not apply to someone who is not an Inattentive like I am. So, sure, I can see how the full-throttle must be exhilarating to an Hyper.

Hey! Here's another idea: Two hundred years from now; Hyperactives: Morlocks, Inattentives: Eloi.

Ain't I the cheerful, optimistic one?

{Q=jl}I am simply trying to say that I think ADD is not a good means for survival in current times.
But yes, I like being contrarian, so I must disagree with your disagreement.{/Q=jl}

2.What I was trying to say in the entirety of my post was that, I think that ADD is not a very fitting evolutionary path for a person to take today. Quote:
being contrarian is fine - albeit with reasoned argument - 'is not a very fitting' (from 2.) - is contrary (though)?
...:-)...

But - I've written that (paraphrasing) 'ADD is a good means for survival in current times'
~or~ (better)
'ADD is a good means for survival of the species ~as an~ adaptation into the future assuming a similar pattern of societal advancement as seen in the recent past -5k years)'.
Survival looks to the future - will man survive? ... refers to some point in the future ... ... ...

Do you mean that ADDers do not seem well adapted to our current environment? ... in much the same way that any small group of a newly evolved species would appear - in an environment of their precursors.
This point is a little different from survival though ... and is more related to ...
ADDF thread::ADD as a contextual disorder
...:-)...Imagine - you're the first chap who has evolved offa'fish - and one of your fishy mates who hasn't made the transition (as yet) - is trying to hold your head under water ... ... ... kinda' like that {and exaggerated for effect} ...:-)...

{q}so I must disagree with your disagreement{/q}
??? Should this read
'so I must agree with your disagreement on my disagreement'
...:-)...???

{q} But, also I like trying to be sympathetic so what I have been trying to say may not apply to someone who is not an Inattentive like I am. So, sure, I can see how the full-throttle must be exhilarating to an Hyper. {/q}
... any theory must be all inclusive of *all* ADDers ...

{q} Hey! Here's another idea: Two hundred years from now; Hyperactives: Morlocks, Inattentives: Eloi. Ain't I the cheerful, optimistic one? {/q}
... Two hundred years ... check out ... ADDF thread::Dr Hawkings on the next 100 years
Life evolved up from a virus{nerve} and a bacteria{muscle} ->- these are the two functionalities (nervous control of motion) (which subsequently diverged) which explain:
ADD-Inattentive
ADD-Hyperactive

Evolutionary adaptation would lead to increased nerve{thought} muscle{running around} ... the two forms of ADD - though combined type will most likely explain all {better} ... I switch ... ... ...

In fact ... I'm switching now ... where's my lycra? ...:-)...
...:-)... SB.

But, also I like trying to be sympathetic so what I have been trying to say may not apply to someone who is not an Inattentive like I am.

Only speaking for my self:
I have noticed with age I am acquiring more inattentive traits and when my medication first begins wearing off I exhibit signs of inattentive ADD but my diagnosis is hyperactive ADD. I was diagnosed when there were only two kinds of ADD (with and without hyperactivity)

I can say there are times when tuning out is a good thing because there are a lot of moronic things said and done that I need to miss out on! :rolleyes:

I was diagnosed as with hyperactivity and I am quite wiggly! Wiggling helps my brain work better. Sitting still makes me tired, Having to sit still makes me sleepy or cranky. I do my best to avoid places where movement is frowned upon. When I can’t this is what Adderall is for. :D



So, sure, I can see how the full-throttle must be exhilarating to an Hyper.

The world isn’t always full throttle but I do try. :cool:


Full throttle can be stimulating and it does increase our ability to focus. It can also be exhausting and at times confusing; however I have found this to be the experience of others who are not ADD. Hyperactive people can not filter external stimuli so intensity kind of acts as a filter for me allowing me to focus better. Works kind of like a natural stimulant.




ADD is not a good means for survival in current times.

Sure seems to be a lot of ADDers in this current time. I am sure we did not recently fall from the sky so I must make the logical argument that ADD traits must be attractive during mating selection because we seemed to have reproduced with little difficulty. This would mean we are adaptive to surivial, not only in the current time but in past times as well.

The last thing I want to do is create bad feelings here; however it should be evident that I do not agree with your particular point of view.(which is way cool = we can't all agree all the time = that would be way boring) It is okay if you wish to see your ADD as your nemesis however I do not find this attitude to be very productive. Perhaps you have found a way in which this negative perspective works in your favor, if that is the case then I shall be the last to stand in your way of positive productivity!

. . . . . . .~*~ . . . . . . . . . . . ~*~ . . . . . . . . Peace Out. . . . . . . . ~*~. . . . . . . . . . . ~*~

Never mind. Thought I'd get a little better reception from kindred spirits. You'll hear about this soon enough!

Good luck to you guys.

What kind of response it that? What a bunch of crap. You just wanted to play with us, didn't you? That is rude, IMO. :mad:

Chele, don't hold yourself back so much, you must let those feelings out.

Mguff-We have heard so much stuff about cures and wonder drugs and wonder treatments that all of us look at this with more than a normal helping of skepticism. To make such a statement and disappear? What did you expect? Unbounded excitement? Better to not say anything until the eggs hatch. This is not a put down, but disappearing just opened up a door that led down a convoluted path because of the total lack of anything tangible. Besides, it was a lot of fun to think of all sorts of theories about all sorts of things!

When you do share your secret-do expect a lot of questioning, doubting, skepticism, and disagreement-that is part of the learning process and the process of sorting out the validity of a new scientific? finding.

Think of Semmelweiss, Lister, Pasteur, Pauling, Roentgen, Curie, Damadian, and the other pioneers in medicine and research-they were rejected, ridiculed, and laughed at. Until their theories and work were proven! The Australian doctors who discovered helicobacter bacteria as a major cause of ulcers suffered a similar fate until they were proved correct. Every medical pioneer was rejected before their work was accepted. Some even died without knowing that would happen.

If your finding is as profound as you seem to infer, then you should expect to experience the same treatment as these historic pioneers! It would be good company to keep!

I never knew my love of medical history would ever come in this handy! I am glad that Vesalius and others stole corpses to learn about the circulatory and other body systems, muscles, and bones.

RADD

I suspect that this experiment involves something like having the test subject consume a heaping helping of Prater Flakes, swallowing a red capsule and leaping into a Rabbit Hole of some type.

I'd rather play a video game I have already beaten for a second time, and I have severe redundancy aversion about that kind of thing.

Crazy :cool:
QED and thanks Chele. I suspected as much from the start. If we are kindred spirits, Guf, ya oughta know we don't do well with innuendo and patience.

***Early apologies to moderators of this section feel free to edit PRN (as needed) I shall try to be a decent example of following the guidelines but no guarantees. I accept best staff judgment as to the edits of my response even if it means thrashing my post. I trust your objective opinions ***

@mguffey

Judging by your response you expected some thing different . . . . .what exactly did you think we were going to do??? . . . . sit on "enternal hold" quietly???. . . you expected exactly what??? A blommin parade???? Balloon’s with party hats???? Returning to people theorizing about your possible theory is a problem how????While claiming to understand ADD???? Hello! :eyebrow:

Never mind. Thought I'd get a little better reception from kindred spirits. You'll hear about this soon enough!

Good luck to you guys.

Man with the obvious professional pharmacology knowledge I read in your previous post I was really looking forward to your insight. I am very disappointed thought you being a fellow health care professional you would be different. I am disappointed and angry!



Mguffey dude what exactly is your problem here? Exactly what do YOU have to be upset about? :confused: I am asking because I simply am to blinded by my own annoyance at your last post to see this from your perspective.

My account of the events of this thread:

#1) YOU have an impulsive moment, and come onto two different sections here (this one and the one in general ADD) claiming you have an idea that is going to change the way we view ADD.

#2) YOU disappear . . coming back briefly saying oh well can't tell us till Monday some mombo jumbo about lawyers!

#3) Monday comes and goes still NO hint of this big theory, except it has to do with testing blood

#4) YOU have the mordacity to post as if some how we are the blame for your bad behavior!

I have been here and done this way to many times to even buy it dude! Nothing new about people trying to blame their bad behavior on others!


I am responsible for my behavior however you are responsible for YOURS!

Returning to people theorizing about your possible theory is some big upsetting surprise???? . . . . . . . . :faint:

If you were indeed MY kindred spirit YOU should know ADD is a misnomer for BA = boredom aversion. So we entertain ourselves until YOU came back (thus keeping the thread viable) and all we get for our patience some BS complaint about OUR behavior!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :mad: HOW RUDE! :mad:

What kind of response it that? What a bunch of crap. You just wanted to play with us, didn't you? That is rude, IMO

I second this notion, while admiring RADD for her upbeat and forgiving attitude!

I second this notion, while admiring RADD for her upbeat and forgiving attitude! Meadd, I didn't think I was being forgiving at all! :D I was really trying to be upbeat and sarcastic!

He stands nowhere near the struggles and rejection faced by those I named! As a medico, he should know this from the beginning!-I have to try hard not to flame-Those bunsen burners get hot and blow up beakers! I removed the statement, do you want us to bow at your feet and worship you?

The difference between many of these pioneers and the proclamation that started this post was not a desire for glory, but a desire to end suffering or heal a disease.

Thank you for the admiration though! ;) Some days I just get a hankerin' for cognitive duel with silliness disguised as intelligence, only duct tape keeps my rapier wit in its sheath! :)

I hope this is OK-There is a fine line on this one between the person and the message. I tried to tread carefully!

RADD

I have the solution to wars and discord-it will bring world peace--and if ya believe that one----I own the Brooklyn Bridge and just put it up for sale!

I don't know, but I kinda liked the conversation - before we were dismissed - better.

I don't know, but I kinda liked the conversation - before we were dismissed - better.


I agree with you kvrrd,

Although I was willing to sit it out as not to create hard feelings between myself and another member who saw their ADD differently. I don't want a difference of opinion on our diverse attitudes toward our personal version of experiencing ADD to be the reason for heated debates and hard feelings.

Apparently I feel much differently toward the feeling of being 'jerked around' by my curiosity! :o


RADD I always know when to bow before better whit. :soapbox: I can be prideful but above that I am honest! :D