Hi Everybody, I am new to adderall , 30 mg xr, and i am also taking wellbutrin 200 mg. The crash i get from the adderall is awful well i felt like that when i was on concerta for the first time. I guess it is a matter of adjusting to it. Anybody know how to deal with the crash? thanks for your time
David

Thats really strange you shouldnt be getting any crash from the XR. Just give your body some time to adjust.

"Crash" is a term that is used often in conjuction with addiction. A better title and discription would help me understand better what exactly the problem is.

OP are you meaning what we call the "rebound effect"? I can vouch for the fact that rebounding is pretty terrible, but my own personal rebound issues passed in time :) and I must admit that I do not take Adderal (I take Concerta) but I do take a long-acting medication. When beginning a medication that lends you clarity, it can be very sad to let that feeling go and fade back into the "fog".

Thats really strange you shouldnt be getting any crash from the XR. Just give your body some time to adjust.
Not everyone will react the same way to drugs. I take XR and I can say I do experience a period of where I can obviously tell that the medication has left or has done its duty and is no longer helping me. Just because doctors have said you shouldn't experience any type of rebound doesn't mean it's the end all be all spoken word. It could happen.

Honestly, let's just help davidytime out. I'm getting a little sick with all the politically correct bull**** I'm hearing from some people on the forum. Like nocturnal said, a crash can happen. My psychiatrist also said that adderall isn't addictive... go figure. I wonder why its a schedule II. Oh wait, but we're add so we don't get addicted, we only need it to be normal as scuro would say. And I agree, we do need it to be normal, whether we will get addicted only time will tell. There really is no way of avoiding the comedown. I sometimes 'come down' aka. get tired and feel lethargic after I take my 20mg's of adderall in the morning. 30mg's at once can be a hit to the system. You could ask your doctor to give you a dose in the pm, an instant release dose of say 10mg's at 2pm should keep you sharp well into the evening. But obviously go over this with your doctor and don't alter your dose or dose schedule before you do this. Liek any drug the only way to avoid a 'come down' is to take more of the drug, to get as much coverage of your day as possible. I'm currently struggling a little myself with this issue. I don't mind splitting my dose sometimes, take 10mg's in the am and the other 10mg's in the pm. My doctor will probably put me on an instant release in the afternoon pretty soon thou, as he has already mentioned this. But yeah, since it sounds like you started on this pretty recently its a good bet your body will adjust a bit more over the next few weeks like cooper said. Best of luck.

Honestly, let's just help davidytime out. I'm getting a little sick with all the politically correct bull**** I'm hearing from some people on the forum. Like nocturnal said, a crash can happen. My psychiatrist also said that adderall isn't addictive... go figure. I wonder why its a schedule II. Oh wait, but we're add so we don't get addicted, we only need it to be normal as scuro would say. And I agree, we do need it to be normal, whether we will get addicted only time will tell. There really is no way of avoiding the comedown. I sometimes 'come down' aka. get tired and feel lethargic after I take my 20mg's of adderall in the morning. 30mg's at once can be a hit to the system. You could ask your doctor to give you a dose in the pm, an instant release dose of say 10mg's at 2pm should keep you sharp well into the evening. But obviously go over this with your doctor and don't alter your dose or dose schedule before you do this. Liek any drug the only way to avoid a 'come down' is to take more of the drug, to get as much coverage of your day as possible. I'm currently struggling a little myself with this issue. I don't mind splitting my dose sometimes, take 10mg's in the am and the other 10mg's in the pm. My doctor will probably put me on an instant release in the afternoon pretty soon thou, as he has already mentioned this. But yeah, since it sounds like you started on this pretty recently its a good bet your body will adjust a bit more over the next few weeks like cooper said. Best of luck.
I agree 100%. My psychiatrist calls it withdrawals. He has said that to me on more than one occasion.

Not everyone will react the same way to drugs. I take XR and I can say I do experience a period of where I can obviously tell that the medication has left or has done its duty and is no longer helping me. Just because doctors have said you shouldn't experience any type of rebound doesn't mean it's the end all be all spoken word. It could happen.Oh i know, i realize that fully. Its just due to the delivery system you generally dont associate coming off the medication as a crash. As with the normal IR release where it just suddenly stops working...you would more likely call that a crash.

yes it wil get better, it always gets better and i read that a caffienated carbonated soft drink will help when you first feel signs of a comedown

Have been on xr now for a full 2 weeks. I'm sure what I am experiencing is my body getting use to this drug. I was put on ritalin at first and really didn't like the up and down feeling that it gave me. Believe me I do know when the meds have gone out of my system and I'm waiting for the next dose. Unfortunately, I am on 2 a day and already realize the doseage is not right. I think the length of time this med should stay in your system is 4 or 5 hours after each dose. Is this correct? I know that some people may matobilize the med quicker than some.

Sometimes when I write this stuff down, I sound like a druggy. Well, the way xr makes me feel when it's doing its thing, is well worth the price. The only gripe I have about it is that it wears off to fast.

Honestly, let's just help davidytime out. I'm getting a little sick with all the politically correct bull**** I'm hearing from some people on the forum. Like nocturnal said, a crash can happen.
Perhaps a crash can happen, anything can happen if something is done often enough. Get 10 million people to do something twice a day for twenty years and I'm sure almost anything can happen. But lets get back on topic and take a closer look at how the word crash is typically used to describe part of the drug addiction cycle.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/PODAT/PODAT5.html

Injected, snorted, or smoked heroin causes an almost immediate "rush" or brief period of euphoria that wears off very quickly, terminating in a "crash." The individual then experiences an intense craving to use more heroin to stop the crash and reinstate the euphoria. The cycle of euphoria, crash, and craving - repeated several times a day - leads to a cycle of addiction and behavioral disruption.

Are we talking the same language and describing the same physical body reaction while using Ritalin? Can you get addicted to Ritalin? Sure you can, just go inject the liquid form in your veins and it should happen quickly. But the delivery system is different when Ritalin is injested. There is no rush or crash when taken as prescribed. It changes everything. Try injecting alcohol into your blood system. All of a sudden that drug becomes highly dangerous because of the rush and crash that will happen when the all the alcohol enters the brain immediatly and is first not absorbed slowly by the stomach.


My psychiatrist also said that adderall isn't addictive... go figure. I wonder why its a schedule II.
Why? For it's high potential for abuse when snorted or injected.


There really is no way of avoiding the comedown. I sometimes 'come down' aka. get tired and feel lethargic after I take my 20mg's of adderall in the morning.
Rebound or comedown describes this better. Why do I make a point of this? Is it just PC-BS? No! It's because the likes of Scientology, Breggin, and Baughman et al would like nothing better then to frame the use of Ritalin by ADHDers in the light of addiction which is the furthest thing from the truth.

Here is an example from a Scientology webpage.
http://www.notodrugs-yestolife.org/index.htm
OUR DRUG CULTURE

Drugs destroy millions of lives every year. Popularized in the 1960s by music and mass media, they invade all aspects of society.

The problem has many faces—from the college student partying for three days straight in an ecstasy or methamphetamine-fueled rave, to the school child addicted to Ritalin (methylphenidate); from the mother who cannot get through a day without taking pills for depression, to the CEO addicted to cocaine

I had the same issues with crashing. For me the key is to be hydrated, have all the fluids i need in my body, and have something to eat before i come down, this makes it much easier. So i would suggest drinking a bunch of water, and having a meal 1-2 hours before you know it will wear off. Just a suggestion but it works for me. THe 'crash' get better with time.....and yes adderall is addictive, thats why it is a Schedule II,

Perhaps a crash can happen, anything can happen if something is done often enough. Get 10 million people to do something twice a day for twenty years and I'm sure almost anything can happen. But lets get back on topic and take a closer look at how the word crash is typically used to describe part of the drug addiction cycle.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/PODAT/PODAT5.html

Injected, snorted, or smoked heroin causes an almost immediate "rush" or brief period of euphoria that wears off very quickly, terminating in a "crash." The individual then experiences an intense craving to use more heroin to stop the crash and reinstate the euphoria. The cycle of euphoria, crash, and craving - repeated several times a day - leads to a cycle of addiction and behavioral disruption.Thanks for clearing that up :) I prefer the proper terminology myself. For people on stimulant meds rebounding is NOT the same as crashing.


Why? For it's high potential for abuse when snorted or injected. Or in the case of stimulant meds, chewing or dissolving and swallowing would apply as well.


Rebound or comedown describes this better. Why do I make a point of this?
Perhaps for the same reason I do? I also stress the difference between hyperfocus and obsession. Maybe we are just wired this way? :rolleyes:

I take 10mg of the XR usually around 8 and feel good until about 1. That gives it a 6 hour "life" I thought it was suppose to be an all day thing. Sounds like David is having a similar problem. I thought the XR was suppose to last all day. Also in the literature that comes with the XR it states that in studies they conducted there was no significant difference between taking 20mg and those who took more. From what I have read in here, it seems that many people take more than 20mg. Why is that. This is my third week on Adderall, and it's getting better, but still don't feel the dose is strong enough. How do you know when you get it right?

I had the same issues with crashing. ......

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I should remember that I'm posting on the ADD forum. :eyebrow: :cool: :rolleyes: :p

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I should remember that I'm posting on the ADD forum. :eyebrow: :cool: :rolleyes: :phttp://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/kzrainbow/heeheeHEEE.gif

Why? For it's high potential for abuse when snorted or injected.
Do you seriously belive that instant release pills cant be abused or....

Do you seriously belive that instant release pills cant be abused or....I believe Mr. Scuro was explaining why stimulant drugs are schedule II in a general sort of way. In this case he referred to a particular extended release medication.

"Crash" is a term that is used often in conjuction with addiction

Well it is useful in car accidents and with clumsiness also . . . . I use it frequently to communicate my intention to go to bed . .

a surprising number of people use this term to describe the sudden change in feelings when medications wear off . . . .or the intention to call it a night.

Professionally I have learned not to make assumptions based solely on the use of slang . . . . which is what this word is, merely a slang term . . .the difference in connotation could be generation related also . . . . .frankly “ coming down” wouldn’t have come out much better really.

Hey ya gotta use the words you know when it comes to describing a feeling, The feeling of Adderall or Ritalin wearing off well “crash” pretty much covers it.


For people on stimulant meds rebounding is NOT the same as crashing.

Crazy is correct rebound is used to describe the return of ADD symptoms(some times meaning worse than the original ADD) when the medication wears off. "Crashing" is normally associated with the feeling of wanting to go to sleep or having a sudden lack of energy of what ever reason. . . . .

Frankly the insinuation that some one is a drug addict based on the use of this one word is a bit silly (IMHO)

Now the subject which wasn’t the word crash:
Even the extended release medication wear off at different rates in different speeds for different people. A younger person with a faster metabolism may experience the feeling of “crashing” even with the longer acting meds, it is not uncommon for a smaller regular release to be used as a sort of transitional step down effect. Naturally all medication changes should be done by a doctor.

Yes it can take a while for your body to adjust to the medications. I used to “feel” my medications wearing off however after 7 years I no longer “feel” them at all (I do not feel my addreall coming or going) . The only way I know my medications are gone is to have my post edited by administration or realize I have wondered about for three hours getting nothing completely done but several things started. :o

whether we will get addicted only time will tell.

Okay after 7 years on Adderall and 13+ years on ADD medications (I was on Ritalin before Adderall) I can say I have not gotten addicted.

How do I know?

Because I forget to make my medications all the time, I forget them in the morning I forget them in the middle of the day . . . . .how many people forget to smoke cigarettes? If people were as addicted to cigarettes as I am to Adderall the tobacco companies would have gone broke years ago.

Of coa rse I wouldn't go so far as to say the medications make me "normal" either Perhaps they help in creating more tolerable version of me, but they hardly make normal (functionable yes /normal no) . . . . which is fine by me I think "normal" is an over rated fantasy any way.


Rebound or comedown describes this better. Why do I make a point of this? Is it just PC-BS? No! It's because the likes of Scientology, Breggin, and Baughman et al would like nothing better then to frame the use of Ritalin by ADHDers in the light of addiction which is the furthest thing from the truth.

You reason behind your post is an admirable one, thanks for explaining.

I can see why you posted as you did but it did kind of sound judgemental toward the person using the word crash.

I also know how the church of scientiolgy is always using every little thing to try and say psychology is a lie and no one should take any medications for thier conditions because they believe drug companiys invented these conditions and they do hit ADD pretty hard.

I think that I forget any one really cares about what these guys in Scientology think. Besides even the MGM studios has divorced itself from Tom Cruise.

Well... scuro's initial reply is basically the definition of a red herring post.

"Frankly the insinuation that some one is a drug addict based on the use of this one word is a bit silly (IMHO)"

Couldn't agree more, basically sums it up right there. And dont use heroin as reference to this. Because it is completely illegal in north america, connotation of its use will automatically imply addicts and obvious methods of administration (i.v, smoking). I mean, u can't blame them since swallowing heroin would be the same as swallowing morphine.

ps scuro... so was the purpose of your reply to make the topic starter feel bad about himself or offer a lesson on correct vocabulary, which is still irrelevant and doesn't help the topic starter with his problem. I will say however I agree crash is more of an addicts term as are high/spun/tweaked vs functional, i just think it was pretty irrelevant to have to dwell on that, but given the sensitive nature of the topic, 'add meds' i guess a lot of people have to draw a thick line between use leading to 'dependence' vs use that will not lead to dependence, even though it really depends on the person and I feel the line is pretty fine and there is a lot of grey area there... but w/e... bottom line is we take our meds, carry out responsiblities, and are able to be productive members of society, and that's the most important thing.

anyways enough knocking...

"I think that I forget any one really cares about what these guys in Scientology think. Besides even the MGM studios has divorced itself from Tom Cruise."

Yeah, I was pretty appalled when he commented about brooke shield's use of an antidepressant to combat postpartum depression. I mean when you look at that interview with cruise on the morning show, he offers bascially no supporting evidence for his argument, except that he knows the history of psychiatry and the interviewer doesn't. And also goes on to say there's no such thing as a chemical imblanace.... hmmm... why were you jumping on couches tom? Basically shoots himself in the foot since he has dyslexia, which is why he didn't graduate from high school. Since there's no such thing thou that leaves him with the only option, aka, you're a *******. I almost start feeling sorry for the guy until i remember he made approx 10 mil for war of the worlds....