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*~ §EEK ~*
09-05-06, 07:58 AM
Evolution, not just gluttony, led to obesity pandemic
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By Michael Perry

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Evolution and the environment, not just gluttony, has led to a global obesity pandemic, with an estimated 1.5 billion people overweight -- more than the number of undernourished people -- an obesity conference was told on Monday.

The mounting epidemic of obesity in children would see many die before their parents, said Kate Steinbeck, co-chair of the 10th International Congress on Obesity in Sydney. "This is the first generation in history where children may die before their parents," Steinbeck told the conference.

Health experts at the week-long congress starting on Monday said calls for the past 30 years for people to eat less fatty foods and exercise more had failed to combat global obesity.

Obesity had become an "insidious killer and the major contributing cause of preventable diseases such as diabetes and heart disease," said conference co-chair Paul Zimmet.

"It is a disease with disastrous health, social and economic consequences," Zimmet told the conference.

Steinbeck said fighting obesity was not simply a matter of people eating less and exercising more, but discovering environmental and genetic contributors to obesity.

"We know this is not about gluttony -- it is the interaction of heredity and environment," said Steinbeck

New obesity research has found that too little sleep and fats from fast food can alter a person's biology, making them more susceptible to overeating and less active, said the International Association for the Study of Obesity.

"Research into obesity should be given top priority to have any hope of combating the global pandemic," said Arne Vernon, president of the association.

Vernon said millions of obese people were being discriminated against and stigmatized, and often denied access to medical services. "A growing proportion of morbidly obese people are at the extreme end of the spectrum but are stigmatized and ignored," he said.

DIETARY EVOLUTION

Dietary supplements and alternative treatments promising weight loss have minimal or no effect because they cannot match evolutionary influences that cause the body to conserve energy in times of famine, Dr Anne-Thea McGill told the conference.

McGill, senior lecturer in Population Health at the University of Auckland, said humans were designed to maximize their energy intake because their large brains used about one-quarter of their total energy expenditure.

"Early humans sought energy-dense food with high levels of fats, starches and sugars. We are genetically programmed to find foods with these qualities appealing," said McGill.

"However, highly energy-dense Western diets have had many of the flavor and micronutrients processed out of them. The artificial replacements in starchy, fatty and sugary foods make them over-palatable and easy to eat quickly."

But too much processed food results in an excess energy intake deficient in micronutrients, producing a state of "malnutrition", which in turn sees the body react to a "famine stress" by storing fat around the upper body, said McGill.

"Many over-the-counter remedies such as concentrated herbal preparations, food extracts, minerals and vitamins are promoted as helping to decrease body weight," she said. "However, they do not redress the nutrient imbalance from poor diets that produce obesity."

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SB_UK
09-05-06, 01:59 PM
Evolution, not just gluttony, led to obesity pandemicHunter-gatherer {model for ADD} and for the most part - the current obesity problem - were seen as rooted in evolution - yes - but evolutionary characteristics from the past (which were advantageous) - rearing their heads in the present (now disadvantageous - due to environmental change {society,food availability{respectively}}).

In much the same way as Stabile shifted my ideas on ADD as an evolutionary change (not from the past) but into the future - so do I see obesity sharing the same root.
- Note *though* - that I see ADD as being overwhelmingly positive & obesity as being overwhelmingly negative.

Obesity (is a result of behaviour) which sits alongside those other behaviours (cigarette smoking, addiction, criminal behaviour) - which all serve to satisfy the single essential change (from which ADD was born).

... To be clear ... here's the idea ...

1-Evolutionary event occurs ->- lower levels of X.
2-Lower levels of X make us feel bad.
3-X may be raised by ADDer thought (difficult, but overwhelmingly advantageous to the individual)
4-Inability to apply ADDer thought leads to the search for other ->- less sustainable methods for raising levels of X.

Other less sustainable methods include drugs, eating, cigarettes, alcohol ... ... ...

Here's GoogleSchmoogle#1 (http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/2001/bnlpr020101.htm) to help (search - dopamine,obesity)
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="700"><tbody><tr><td valign="top">
</td> <td valign="top"> Scientists Find Link Between Dopamine and Obesity

</td></tr></tbody></table>SB.

X is dopamine ... with lower levels perhaps representing lower sensitivity, lower dopamine receptor expression, lower dopamine production ... essentially the idea is that there's just not enough to go around - and that might be for a number of reasons ... ... ...

*~ §EEK ~*
09-06-06, 04:15 AM
This suggests that obese people might be able to boost their dopamine response through exercise instead of eatingNo pain, no gain??????????

Perhaps that saying should be changed to "Pain = No gain".

Go out and run until you feel like your legs are going to fall off (pain) you'll make more dopamine but won't gain any weight.

SB_UK
09-06-06, 01:43 PM
- yupsy -

... one of the big evol psych ideas turned into - first came motor control [neuronal] -> sensory control soon after -> thought [cognition].

Maybe it'd help to align these ideas against a couple from previously.

The cerebral cortex essentially receives 'sensory' feeds -{thought} - 'motor' output so ... 'see' a potato with legs and teeth - {work out that a potato with legs and teeth ain't good} - 'run' ... ... ...

Previously - question thrown out into the Internet was - why? - and I believe that the idea of a data driven engine was suggested ... ... ...

Imagine ...
1.'see'
2.{work out ...}
3.'run'

1. 2. and 3. are associated with eliciting neurotransmission - so taking 'see' ... vision represents a stream of information sucked through into the brain via the optic nerve ... ... ...
The image then is of 'data' floating our boat ... think 'water' turning a wheel (->- energy) and that's the image.

... Now think ...
'water' turning a wheel (->- energy) ->- powering a t.v. showing Mission Impossible VI (Cruise takes Prozac) ... and in its place ...

'data' floating our boat, where floating our boat is increased dopaminergic neurotransmission.

Whizzing back then ... ... ... reward circuitry is being activated when neural circuits are firing {left, right and centre} - ok - so this is generally when we're doing stuff which is advantageous to our survival ... eating, running from potatoes, informing ourselves on the anti-Ds which hardened scientologists prefer to consume with their Saturn burgers ... ... ...

... but whatever ... the key idea here is of ensuring maximal neural firing ... ... ...

Exercise then (motor activity) - will ensure ->->->- dopaminergic circuit recruitment --- but in a much more sustainable manner than recruitment of dopaminergic cicuitry - through eating.

The freaky bit about all of these ideas - the bits which we're close to solving --- ?maybe *have* solved? ... include ...

- - -So what's the deal with dopamine? (ie How does a simple chemical make us feel sooo good --- tackled on evol psych?)
- - -Is it possible that ADDer thought might act as a surrogate
for eating?

I have this huge great wacking great large freakin' ADDer freakin' intuitive freakin' feeling --- that ADDer thought can sustain us (that is) - that ostensibly - that we may not need to eat in the future.

OK so *~* ... here's the deal - I figure that obesity may be {in part} due to the shift to ADD --- energy production through thought --- whilst eating normally -->>-- an excess of energy -->>-- obesity.
This problem may be countered by exercise.

Dude Seek --- this is all kinda' tentative --- but I don't eat until around 7 pm at night [and then not much] --- and do hours and hours of exercise during the day ... like 4 sessions max ... and it's bizarre ... I am not a thin thing --- an old nickname from a 2 or 3 years back was 'Strappin' ... ... ...

There's something bizarre as heck goin' on ... and that's mi'guess.

By the way - the obsession on evol psych relating to the sodium channel and mitochondrial proton pump was aimed directly at this idea ... ... ... somehow making the point that we can switch on a power generator in our heads - and self-power.

From a biological perspective - no different an idea to your average tree (really) - just a more powerful 'battery' ... ... ...

Also explains my fondness for drawing an analogy between the crown of a tree [where maximal energy production is seen] ... and the geometric topology of the cortex ... ... ...

SB.

I think therefore I self-power

{by the way --- I'm being serious in this post ... and love the idea (which I share with you) - that the consumerist society which is driving us into extinction ->- might be replace by a non-consumerist society which does not even consume food)

Regardless of whether this is SB being a freakin' wrong ADDer {in this idea} --- the idea's sweet, isn't it?

Gives me this lovely warm glow ... yummalicious ... a World without food!
A world without 'the rape of Gaia' ... ... ...

sammyanne1
09-06-06, 08:03 PM
try to take away my pasta and the only thing you'll draw back is a bloody stump! lol As for exercise.

1. I don't run unless something is chasing me.
2. I don't walk, to many people to attack you.
3. Cars side swipe byciclists
4. dude, seriously, bikes that go nowhere, what the heck?
5. lifting weights is fun, refuse to cough up the dues
6. Aerobics, jumping around until my knees hurt and my chest is sore from bouncing.
7. Excercising is NEVER a 20 minute propisition. You have to either drive somewhere, gather equipment etc. Get 'dressed' for the event, do the excercise, get showered, re-dresed (if you want to leave your house again) you're killing at least an hour and a half, i have no idea where you'd find that kind of time. Even right now, only reason I'm posting is I'm waiting for an assignment to download.

8. If you feel the urge to excersise. Sit down till it passes!


Hand me the pasta!

Hyperion
09-06-06, 11:33 PM
The thing is, people have always eaten horribly. Our desire for fried, fatty food is not something new...did fried chicken invent itself in the past two decades while I wasn't paying attention? People will eat crappily. Guess what? Animals in the wild eat fairly horribly too, because they eat what they can get.

Hell, most large predators eat the kind of high-protein, high-fat, high cholesterol diet that should make them fat and lazy...oh, but notice that lions and cheetahs and leopards and such get a nice workout before they eat.

Exercise is the best way to lose weight. Dieting alone isn't going to do it, because your body is just going to lower its metabolism to match. On the other hand, do a full contact sport, raise your metabolism to 3,000 or 4,000 calories a day first. Then, if you want to lose weight, start eating salad or whatever. If you work out enough, you can eat pretty much what you want and at least maintain weight.

Part of our species success, aside from intelligence and all that, is that humans are exceptional long distance runners. We may not be able to outrun a horse over a short distance, but make it a long enough race and we will. But force us to sit in an office chair all day and we'll fall apart.

People need more exercise. They need to be doing something athletic. Going to the gym is boring and most people have trouble motivating themselves. Sports, on the other hand, are a lot more fun. I think that Bode Miller put it best (and was unfortunately misquoted and misunderstood) when he pointed to the root of America's sports problem: We act as though every athelete has to be the best, as though coming in second place in a tough competition is something to be ashamed of, as though if you're not going to be the top athelete, you might as well go home. With attitudes like that, no wonder so many people are turned off from sports, especially kids. Now, with professional atheletes, I can sort of understand it, since they're being paid a lot of money to do their job and their employers want the best, but this attitude extends to every facet of sports and it is terribly unhealthy both mentally and physically when it turns people off from working out.

*~ §EEK ~*
09-07-06, 02:16 AM
Exercise is the best way to lose weight. Dieting alone isn't going to do it, because your body is just going to lower its metabolism to match. On the other hand, do a full contact sport, raise your metabolism to 3,000 or 4,000 calories a day first. Then, if you want to lose weight, start eating salad or whatever. If you work out enough, you can eat pretty much what you want and at least maintain weight.

Part of our species success, aside from intelligence and all that, is that humans are exceptional long distance runners. We may not be able to outrun a horse over a short distance, but make it a long enough race and we will. But force us to sit in an office chair all day and we'll fall apart.

People need more exercise.Maybe we should start strapping food on the backs of deer and make people chase after their food! LOL :D

I bet people would loose weight then! :) I know I would! :D

SB_UK
09-07-06, 05:55 PM
exercise
ADDF thread::neuroprotective exercise#1 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=333492&postcount=1)

SB.