I was prescribed 54 mg/day Concerta almost a month ago. At first, I figured that it would be right up my alley. Adderall was too "speedy" for me and COncerta was supposedly better.

Well, the first few days on it were surreal. My heart beat rapidly but I felt tired at the same time. I could focus a little, but I was more worried about my physical side effects than anything. Do I need to reitterate that I hate stimulant medication?

So I stopped taking it for a couple of weeks and started back about a week ago to see if conditions would improve. Surprisingly, for the first couple of days they did. I could focus better and the physical side effects were not gone, but diminished a bit to an almost bearable level.

Then I started to get other side effects:

I was moody and emotional. I am NOT an emotional person by nature. I was practically clinging to my girlfriend, which she loved at first since I'm not one to show too much affection, but even she got tired of it after a while.

Coming down off of it was even worse. I just crashed in the evening. I felt distraugt and severely depressed. I knew it was the meds but I just wasn't myself and couldn't make myself get past it.

I had awful backaches and headaches. I would grind my teeth and chew the inside of my lip. I felt like I was a weirdo with some kind of weird tic.

The positive effects eventually disappeared, completely. After only 8 days or so of taking it! Leaving me actually consider asking my doc to RAISE the dose until I came to my senses and realized just how foolish that was.


Basically, this is another med that bites the dust for me. Which sucks because I had high hopes for it.

I am going to pick up my prescription for Amantadine ( Symmetrel) tomorrow but I'm going to give it a couple of days before I start taking it. I can't handle these damn stimulants anymore.

Anyone else have any success on Amantadine?

Sorry about the bad results with medication. I know how lousy that feels. I had the same indside of my lip chewing and teeth grinding thing on a combo of Concerta and Prozac. Not much fun. Good luck on the amatadine.

Scattered

This post has me wondering about aches caused by Concerta. I have attributed my neck pain to being at a desk for extended lenghths of time. My neck and shoulders seem to be sore alot lately. Anyone else experiance this?

It could be that the dose was too high for you. 54 mg is really high to start at.

This post has me wondering about aches caused by Concerta. I have attributed my neck pain to being at a desk for extended lenghths of time. My neck and shoulders seem to be sore alot lately. Anyone else experiance this?Adam, I take Concerta, I was rear-ended by a drunk and got whiplash, now I have arthritis in my neck, and also have fibromyalgia. My pain is not from the concerta. Your neck could hurt for a variety of reasons; from stress, overuse, an undiagnosed problem, or the Concerta. Stay aware of when it hurts and what you are doing, that way you can pinpoint a possible cause!

When I am at my computer too much, my shoulders and neck can really hurt and my hands too! Try stretching and flexibility exercises. Are you taking any other meds? Do you have any other medical conditions? How old are you? There are so many possibilities. Follow your gut as you try to figure out what is causing your pain. Once you do, you will know if it is the Concerta or something else.

RADD

My aching IS from the Concerta. I work out daily and take measures to move around and not be too sedentary for too long. I am very in-tune with my body, being a very athletic person all of my life.

The aching comes consistently without fail 7 or 8 hours after I took the pill. In perfect synch for when the effects begin to wear off. This is a failry common effect for coming down from stimulant medication, as it happened to me on Adderall as well.

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What AdamBomb does with any piece of advice given is his responsibility. I hope he will research and double check anything her persues, no matter who gives him the advice.

RaddMom, during her time here has never claimed to dispense medical advice and was merely offering an alternative to the reasons for the neck pain.

Let us return to the subject at hand please.

I had the same problem as you, but it was because I took too high of a dose and I also had stopped taking Paxil. Usually they start you off at 18 mg.

Thanks for all the input. I suspect the pain is not related to the Concerta, but want to see if anyone has thought or found this to be the case. I am 32 years old. I have been at a desk job for about 2 years now. I play darts at a very competive level, and have a small tear in my labrum. I think that my pain is related to compensating for this soreness, coupled with the sitting at a computer screen and driving 2+ hrs to work. But.. the pain came on after the Concerta use. Not before. That is why I ask. Thanks for the opinions.

Adam,

I am glad you found out what is causing your pain and hope you heal well and win many tournaments! It is not easy to know what is going on in our bodies at times and that can be worrisome and confusing. You are wise to stay aware of any changes in how you feel or function and share that with your doctor. That is the only way you will get the optimal treatment for your health concerns. I hope my answer to your earlier question helped you. If you have any questions about what I said, please PM me. I am always happy to clarify anything I say! Let me know if this helps you, I take Ritalin and Concerta. I notice a lot of pain as the Concerta wears off-I have Fibromyalgia. My doctor prescribed the Ritalin partly to help me stay focused in the evenings and to prevent this common occurrence of pain and other symptoms that occur as stimulant medication wears off. Could this possibly be a cause of your pain? A good question to ask your doctor!

SD2001,

I had a very bad reaction to ADDerall-a friend was hospitalized because of her reaction to it. It is interesting to me that even though we all have ADD in some form, we do not all react the same way to the meds. It is frustrating when you have negative reactions to a medication you hope will be an effective treatment! I hope the Amantadine (Symmetrel) works well for you. Please post about your experience!

RADD

I had severe stomach pains and back pain when I first began taking concerta a few years ago. My pains were directly related to the Concerta. It was causing or making worse some type of intestinal/digestive problem. I also had flu symptoms too.

This sentence states that MY PAIN, not Adam's, is not from the Concerta!!!! This is an Example to show that perhaps the pain is not from Concerta! Maybe I should have said "my" but sometimes I am just a wee bit human and choose a less accurate word. I would have been glad to clarify my post to anyone who asked![/b][/color]


Well, the exact wording was "The pain is not from the Concerta." I realize that you meant to refer to your pain as the previous sentences were about yourself, but it could have been easily interpreted in other ways.

In respect to that and to EYEFORGOT's post, we cannot positively nor negatively assert that the pain is coming from the Concerta, except based upon experience of taking and not taking it. No one here is to be giving medical advice, and I doubt anyone here is actually trying to do that. No one here is proclaiming themselves to be experts, and the titles underneath each members name, except in certain instances, is chosen by the system based upon the number of posts the made has made. AdamBomb's posts do not make it absolutely certain whether or not the pain is being caused by medication -- he was simply asking if there is a possible relationship. RADDmom was simply sharing her experience with pain.

Please, let's stick to posting about the topic, and not about other members. Such matters should be handled in private with or without the help of staff.

Do I need to reitterate that I hate stimulant medication?

Hmm I hate opium so I do not take the medication derivatives such as morphine, even the synthetic copy cats like hydrocodone,(Vicoden) makes me goofy so I avoid taking them at all. They have come up with wonderful non-opium pain medication like tramadol(ultram).

The fact you hate stimulant medications makes me curious as to why you would even bother taking them. Maybe for the same reason I tried to take codeine and then synthetic copy cate codiene stuff more than once for pain before I came to the conclusion it was not worth the funky feeling. :rolleyes:

Some classes of chemicals simply do not gel well with our chemistry. Luckily they are coming out with non-stimulant medications. Many who had an aversion to the effects of Adderall and Ritalin found Strattera to be very beneficial. So the Symmetrel may be a good move for you.

Good luck and please keep us posted on your experience with the new medication. :)


This post has me wondering about aches caused by Concerta. I have attributed my neck pain to being at a desk for extended lenghths of time. My neck and shoulders seem to be sore alot lately. Anyone else experiance this?

I haven’t experienced this particular side effect but we are all different. While I may not experience this specific side effect it certainly doesn’t mean you aren’t.

The first portion is based upon my own experiences with sorting medication side effects from those feelings I simply fail to noticed because I was sooo ADD.. I want to offer suggestions but do not wish to be attacked. So here is the deal if after reading my suggestions one does not find them useful then simply disregard. Please.


I once thought my ADD medications caused my hunger to increase, I was gaining weight. Every time I took my medications I seemed get hungry. To see weather or not it was the medication making me hungry or simply causing me to notice the hunger already present I would eat a meal and then take my medication.

I noticed if I took my medications with a meal I did not get hungry even after the effects of my medications began taking effect. So taking my medications was not cause of me becoming hungry otherwise it would have returned even though I had no need to eat.

What I did notice is I would only feel hunger after my medication began taking effect if it had been several hours sense I had eaten any thing. I came to the conclusion my medications were not the cause of my hunger but the reason why I noticed I was hungry. This is basically what Highfunctioning suggested.

Seems like you could do the same or some thing similar with the soreness :confused:



But.. the pain came on after the Concerta use. Not before. That is why I ask.

Second portion is an idea again not intended for medical advice either it is only a suggestion based upon my personal experience with my feet falling asleep. BTW, Having both of my feet “fall asleep” did not do much for my gracefulness. Again if my response is not useful please disregard.

Could be that when you take Concerta you are able to sit at your desk and focus on the present task for longer periods of time? Thus the sitting still longer than your body is accustom to would cause the soreness, The Concerta increased your focus on the task so you to sat in the same position for longer periods of time than before beginning on Concerta, which is why the soreness did not occur before begining the medication?. This would make taking Concerta kind of like an indirect cause of the increased soreness you experienced.

If this is the case such unpleasant experience of pain in the shoulders and neck could be avoided with pre-planned wiggle breaks or stretching?

These are only two possibilities based upon my own experiences intend as suggestions only.

Any concerns or questions about medication side-effects should be brought to the attention of the doctor who prescribed the medication. Addressing these issues is part of his job and only you and the doctor are in a position to make the final determination.

RADDmom,

I actually did report your post to the moderator but wanted to post a reply in the thread myself as I did carefully read and reread your post. I didn't take anything out of context and even if I had, one would only have to look up to your original post to view the original post and its intended context. I continue to feel that it is inappropriate. However, at the wishes of moderators and for the simple sake of avoiding a pointless argument and keeping the thread on track, I don't think I want to argue about it further. You countered my interpretation to further clarify your post so that any misinterpretation that had occurred should now be cleared up. I'm not here to create hostility, but when I see something that can be potentially dangerous or outright careless and false information being posted, I have to speak up.


meadd823,

It's kind of curious to me as to why I tried Concerta after I hated Adderall so much. I guess because I thought it would be "smoother" and less invasive on me. I seriously doubt that I will be trying anything else. I will keep the board informed of my experience on Symmetrel, though. One thing is certainly for sure: it's not at all comparable to Adderall or Concerta, etc. in that there is no immediate effect - it must accumulate in the system. I am still working on a way to guage an increasing effect as time goes on - if there is any effect at all. Some days, I would definitely settle for just a placebo effect. :)

I'm not here to create hostility, but when I see something that can be potentially dangerous or outright careless and false information being posted, I have to speak up.

For the record, she did not intend her statement to be harmful, as I stated before -- it could have been interpreted either way, but her previous statement was that her pain was not from the Concerta. Just a simple misunderstanding.

Carry on....

I have an opinion here. I have severe DJD and degenerated discs (no, I do not discuss this fact of my life often) and I also take a high dose of Concerta. When I titrated up to my optimum dosage, I spent several weeks being very tense and that did create some degree of pain.

I attribute this to my body's adjusting to the initial Ritalin "rush" and it did, indeed, pass in time. Several weeks, mind you, but it did pass.

In short, the CONCERTA did not cause my pain at all. It was my postures and tenseness that caused the pain. IT PASSED. I am still on Concerta and no longer have unusual pain like I did before. My pain now is my "usual" pain :D and I am very glad I had a doc who hung in there to get me up to the proper dose of Concerta.

I'm not speaking about a sharp pain that you can pinpoint. I'm talking about a general overall "achiness" that is concentrated in the back and head.

It's not due to bad posture. It's not due to sitting for too long. I work out 5 or 6 times a week and have been for years. I know my body very very well. There were no other variables than the Concerta.

Even the Concerta product information sheet lists headaches as a "common side effect."

http://www.concerta.net/active/mccus/en_US/html/concerta/utilities/important_product_information.pdf#zoom=100


I am having a lot of trouble with everyone here absolutely dismissing the possibility that the medication can cause headaches and backaches. That, and the absolute dismissal and shunning of a very serious attempt to mislead a new member into dismissing the possibility that a side effect was caused by medication has me questioning the integrity of this forum and its administration.

It seems to be the posters with the large quantities of posts (in the thousands) that seem to champion other posters to "stick with" the medication and say that side effects will pass eventually don't worry about it. I find it hard to believe that noone else has noticed this before.

I wonder how long it will be before another one of my posts are deleted? Perhaps this one? I run a few forums myself, being a webmaster. And I am a member of quite a few more. One of the first signs of underhanded tactics occurring on a forum are "mysteriously" disappearing posts. Kind of like the one of mine that disappeared out of this very thread. Yep, this one is definitely going soon...:rolleyes:

When I first started Concerta I had headaches, and my doctor did say that this was a side-effect of the drug. As I titrated up, my headaches went away. I thought that was interesting, because I figured the higher the dose, the worse the headaches would get. I am glad that didn't happen!

I have also experienced the tense muscles that some posters have referred to. I didn't experience this until I hit 90mg, and I am hoping it will be transitory. It is mainly in my neck. I have had neck pain before after sitting for long periods of time, but this tension is distinct for that sort of pain.

For the record, she did not intend her statement to be harmful, as I stated before -- it could have been interpreted either way, but her previous statement was that her pain was not from the Concerta. Just a simple misunderstanding.

Carry on....I accepted that before, but now I am positive that it's not the case.

1) Someone deleted one of my posts without so much of a warning.

2) The "high post count" posters are the ones championing newer users to keep taking the medications when they report side effects on the forums - side effects that would possibly keep others from trying the medication.

This is a pretty high-profile forum. And the only advertising that I can easily make out is the Google Adsense at the bottom of the page.

Posters with high post counts make a pretty good living posting on forums. The administrators of this forum know it and so do pharmaceutical drug companies with ever-increasing advertising budgets. They know that internet-savvy consumers and patients will search out sites and get opinions from other users. Particularly users that have very high post counts and are seen as fairly knowledgeable about the subject.

The administrators of this forum know that this isn't as far-fetched as it may sound. In fact, I strongly stress a large amount of "caveat emptor" (buyer beware) before taking the advice of ANY forum posters on ANY forums. Anyone looking can see how dangerous it is just by looking at RADDmom's earlier post in this very thread. Who knows what other dangerous stuff has been said and taken as good advice elsewhere in these forums?

I fully expect this post and possibly this thread to be gone by the time I check this board again. I also expect that my account will be suspended. Par for the course, I'd wager. Like I said, I know quite a few forum admins and the first hint of something dirty is "mysteriously" deleted posts. :rolleyes:

Your post was removed because it violated the following guideline:

*Avoid the use of foul language, flaming members, discrimination and spam. This includes posts and private messaging. If you choose not to follow the etiquette rules/guidelines, your posts may be edited or simply closed with warnings by the moderators. If warnings are not followed, it could lead to a permanent ban depending on the severity.

This should be fairly obvious. Your deleted post held no value to the thread other than to flame RADDmom. Flaming is absolutely not tolerated at ADDF. As EYEFORGOT has already stated, nothing here is to be taken as advice. Nothing on the Internet should be taken as such.

I am having a lot of trouble with everyone here absolutely dismissing the possibility that the medication can cause headaches and backaches. That, and the absolute dismissal and shunning of a very serious attempt to mislead a new member into dismissing the possibility that a side effect was caused by medication has me questioning the integrity of this forum and its administration.

Everyone?

I'm a few months into the forum and just been diagnosis with ADD and after 58 years have just started treatment. I come to the forum to hear about experiences and side effects that he of you have. Yes, we can read the side effects on the inclosure phamlet, but that's not what I need to hear. I want a real voice, not a recording. I thought Radd was very informative and did not take offense at what she said. What did bother me, was it was the first time I saw you all bantering back and forth. Good grief let's bekind. I'm now very hestitate to voice how I am reacting to my new meds. I also realize you all are not Doctors, but I bet some of you know a heck alot more about our condition. Thanks for everyone's input concerning concerta I have learned quite alot and what to look for as well as converse with my Dr about these side effects, if I have any in the future. You guise or really intent.

I'm a few months into the forum and just been diagnosis with ADD and after 58 years have just started treatment. I come to the forum to hear about experiences and side effects that he of you have. Yes, we can read the side effects on the inclosure phamlet, but that's not what I need to hear. I want a real voice, not a recording. I thought Radd was very informative and did not take offense at what she said. What did bother me, was it was the first time I saw you all bantering back and forth. Good grief let's bekind. I'm now very hestitate to voice how I am reacting to my new meds. I also realize you all are not Doctors, but I bet some of you know a heck alot more about our condition. Thanks for everyone's input concerning concerta I have learned quite alot and what to look for as well as converse with my Dr about these side effects, if I have any in the future. You guise or really intent.Well said Honda...
I read and re-read too and my opionion is the same as yours. However, it is my opioion only. Not gospel.

The point at the forums are for support. But let's remember we are all very different here and what works for one, doesn't work for the other.
If you are having side effects, simply keep trying to find something that works. Many of us, especially the "high" count posters have encounted many problems along the often tiring journeyto find a way to tone down the "bad" side of our ADD, and be able to utilize the better sides. We simply offer what has happened to us, and hope others will keep on with the fight to find something that works for them, be it meds, coaching, therapy, or alternative meds.

It's really simple to me.
Take what you want and leave the rest.

I personally love it here and have found a group of wonderful people here who are a great support system.

Oh and on a side note sd2001.
I also tried Concerta, and it didn't work well for me at all. None of the symptoms you speak of, and perhaps it is a more rare side effect. I will not discount what you are saying because there are too many possiblities that we don't know about to dispute that this is happening to you due to Concerta or not, and I am not a doctor. My point. I had issues with it as well. And simply kept searching for what worked. I hope you are able to do the same.
Again, what works for one, doesn't always work for the other.
We hope you are able to find what works well for you, weather it is "traditional" ADD meds or not.

I accepted that before, but now I am positive that it's not the case.

1) Someone deleted one of my posts without so much of a warning.

2) The "high post count" posters are the ones championing newer users to keep taking the medications when they report side effects on the forums - side effects that would possibly keep others from trying the medication.

This is a pretty high-profile forum. And the only advertising that I can easily make out is the Google Adsense at the bottom of the page.

Posters with high post counts make a pretty good living posting on forums. The administrators of this forum know it and so do pharmaceutical drug companies with ever-increasing advertising budgets. They know that internet-savvy consumers and patients will search out sites and get opinions from other users. Particularly users that have very high post counts and are seen as fairly knowledgeable about the subject.

The administrators of this forum know that this isn't as far-fetched as it may sound. In fact, I strongly stress a large amount of "caveat emptor" (buyer beware) before taking the advice of ANY forum posters on ANY forums. Anyone looking can see how dangerous it is just by looking at RADDmom's earlier post in this very thread. Who knows what other dangerous stuff has been said and taken as good advice elsewhere in these forums?

I fully expect this post and possibly this thread to be gone by the time I check this board again. I also expect that my account will be suspended. Par for the course, I'd wager. Like I said, I know quite a few forum admins and the first hint of something dirty is "mysteriously" deleted posts. :rolleyes:I am still waiting on my check for this, dude. I make no money posting at ADDF or any other forum. This is a support forum, not online paid blogging. I blog too, at 360...for free.

I resent the implication.

The "high post count" posters are the ones championing newer users to keep taking the medications when they report side effects on the forums - side effects that would possibly keep others from trying the medication.

This is a pretty high-profile forum. And the only advertising that I can easily make out is the Google Adsense at the bottom of the page.

Posters with high post counts make a pretty good living posting on forums. The administrators of this forum know it and so do pharmaceutical drug companies with ever-increasing advertising budgets. They know that internet-savvy consumers and patients will search out sites and get opinions from other users. Particularly users that have very high post counts and are seen as fairly knowledgeable about the subject.This is totally inaccurate! I have been a member and a moderator here and there is never any kind of financial or other compensation.

Sorry about the bad results with medication. I know how lousy that feels. I had the same indside of my lip chewing and teeth grinding thing on a combo of Concerta and Prozac. Not much fun. Good luck on the amatadine.

ScatteredJust thought I'd quote myself -- I think 3400 some posts makes me a high poster -- I haven't received any checks either and I don't exactly think this post is encouraging someone to pursue meds at all costs. I totally got off the Prozac I was on and only take Concerta once in a while these days because I get to live with tics everytime I take one.

I'm a big promoter of alternatives like exercise, Omega III's, supplements, education and cognitive behavioral therapy for ADHD. I prefer these to medications and think there are always risks with medication, but sometimes the risks without are greater. Each person has to make their own decision. These are just my opinions -- not paid advertisements!:mad:

Scattered

And I also forgot to put in my 2 cents in regards to the paymnts? Where is my check? 1900 and climbing...over a year as a member? Perhaps it's in the mail?

And speaking for my sister, who has been here for quite some time...well over 2000 posts...and a MOD...she has not rec'd compensation for this eihter...but she has poored her heart and soul into this place and helped many many people. It is because she knows how it feels to be out there, misunderstood, and stuggling. It's not because she can post 3000 plus posts and get a check.

So I too take offense to the implication.
And I believe most of us..have said it over and over. If you don't want to take meds....or they are "hurting" more than they help. Then simply DON'T TAKE THEM!

And if you don't like us, or this site....or what we have to say, That is fine too. Most of us are grownup's here and will simply be supportive to those that want it. It appears you have plenty of other places to be, however, you will not be run off here because you don't want to "take" meds, or you don't agree with everyone. I believe HF showed how that would happen. There must be rules here, and they there for a good reason. Just like in the "outside" world.

Resent the implications all you want. I didn't imply that EVERY poster is paid, or even that any of them are. I stated that it DOES happen and especially in forums with limited visible advertising (such as this one) and with a standard policy of deleting and/or manipulating posts (such as this one, for examples just look back through this thread). However, I don't have any doubt now because of the actions of the moderators to continuously cover this up.

Why not ask the forum owners why this forum exists? They'll probably tell you that it's here out of the goodness of their own hearts. Riiight. See the adsense ads at the bottom of the page? That is pretty horrible ad placement and I doubt they get anywhere over a 2% CTR (click rate) per day. Forums are notoriously awful at making money the honest way. But there are other ways; ways that I see happening here. Face it, this forum is here to make money and at the very least has to cover hosting costs. Those ads at the bottom are not covering that. Ordinarily I wouldnt care what forum owners do, but when they concern posters lying about potentially dangerous medication and pushing other members to continue with it even after side effects are continously reported, something is WRONG WRONG WRONG. You are messing with people's lives over a buck. Deny it all you want.

I never came here to start trouble or to cause any uproar, but when I saw something dangerous I spoke up. The moderators quickly and efficiently deleted and manipulated my posts, manipulated the posts of the poster that intended to spread misinformation, and made every effort to cover the matter up.

Of course I realize that there are rules to governing a forum, but those rules never include shunning things under a rug to save face unless something truly wrong is going on. However, the owners of this forum can go about their own business however they like. Anyone taking a look at my other posts in other threads can tell that I was only here to help and to participate in a positive fashion before the actions of RADDmom make me speak up about the lack of her integrity and safety of other, newer forum members.

This will be my last post. I feel sorry for the ones that come here that don't know about covert internet marketing and what to look for. Because it is present here, whether posters that don't outright know it want to admit it or not.

Be safe.

Ok, as the person who asked the question that produced the response, which was the cause of this misdirection of the thread, I ask all of you, mods, sd2001 and everyone else, please move on. I have ADHD, your losing me, and I'm medicated! I asked for advice, I got advice, I will do with it, what I want. sd2001 had an opinion of the advice. It can be debated till we all turn blue, if it was good advice. Lets lighten up a bit, and get on with the business at hand. Lets not make this personal. Lets not give anyone an excuse to remove a post. I am a senior mod on the biggest dart website in the world. That stuff happens if you dont abide by what is deterimed to be the rules.

My neck still hurts too. Thanks for ALL of the points of view.

Adam, do you find yourself gritting your teeth at all, or tensing your neck, especially when you first sense the Concerta taking affect?

(And for the record, some people with ADHD happen to find a nice argument stimulating; it produces an adrenaline cascade in the brain) ;) You will find many heated debates here. As long as the forum guidelines are followed? The posts are not edited/deleted.

Resent the implications all you want. I didn't imply that EVERY poster is paid, or even that any of them are. I stated that it DOES happen and especially in forums with limited visible advertising (such as this one) and with a standard policy of deleting and/or manipulating posts (such as this one, for examples just look back through this thread). However, I don't have any doubt now because of the actions of the moderators to continuously cover this up.

There are etiquette guidelines here. You posts were not removed because of attempting to cover up anything. We do not censor for content, unless it is deemed inappropriate for general audiences or is on the list of banned topics as outlined in the forum guidelines. I have already stated why your post was removed. You were allowed to state that your pain was in fact from the Concerta, which is well within guidelines. Flaming RADDmom, however, is not. Especially after she explained her intentions.

Why not ask the forum owners why this forum exists? They'll probably tell you that it's here out of the goodness of their own hearts. Riiight. See the adsense ads at the bottom of the page? That is pretty horrible ad placement and I doubt they get anywhere over a 2% CTR (click rate) per day. Forums are notoriously awful at making money the honest way. But there are other ways; ways that I see happening here. Face it, this forum is here to make money and at the very least has to cover hosting costs. Those ads at the bottom are not covering that. Ordinarily I wouldnt care what forum owners do, but when they concern posters lying about potentially dangerous medication and pushing other members to continue with it even after side effects are continously reported, something is WRONG WRONG WRONG. You are messing with people's lives over a buck. Deny it all you want.

First and foremost, ADDForums has existed well before any advertisements have been placed on the site. The advertisements are in place as a simple way to offset the costs of hosting this forum. For many years, this place has gone ad-free. Also, there are many reasons to start a community such as this, besides making money (which I am very certain is not the case). The advertisements are at the bottom for an obvious reason: the site here is not simply to make money. Wanting to offset hosting costs is a very legitimate reason for doing so.

I never came here to start trouble or to cause any uproar, but when I saw something dangerous I spoke up. The moderators quickly and efficiently deleted and manipulated my posts, manipulated the posts of the poster that intended to spread misinformation, and made every effort to cover the matter up.

Of course I realize that there are rules to governing a forum, but those rules never include shunning things under a rug to save face unless something truly wrong is going on. However, the owners of this forum can go about their own business however they like. Anyone taking a look at my other posts in other threads can tell that I was only here to help and to participate in a positive fashion before the actions of RADDmom make me speak up about the lack of her integrity and safety of other, newer forum members.

Again, I have already publicly stated my reasons. The argument between you and RADDmom has been removed -- her post was edited as well as yours. Flaming is not tolerated. Please see the guidelines for further details. Also, you have absolutely no basis for the accusations that you are making. While it does happen, I can't see what hard evidence you have for making such statements. We allow controversial threads all the time. When they are closed, it is because the guidelines are being broken. It's that simple. We most definitely do not get paid -- not even the moderators. Everyone contributes to the community. The administrators manage the back end aspects of the site, the moderators maintain what you see here, and the members contribute their experiences and knowledge to the forum. Of course, the site owner subsidizes the costs, which are offset by the advertisements.

This will be my last post. I feel sorry for the ones that come here that don't know about covert internet marketing and what to look for. Because it is present here, whether posters that don't outright know it want to admit it or not.

Again, I'd like to see your evidence to support this claim. You aren't presenting any from what I can see.

I highly recommend that you read the ADDF guidelines, located here (http://www.addforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=75). With that statement, I will be closing this thread.

Note: I made a thread for AdamBomb's questions here: http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33527