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Grade A
11-06-06, 01:59 PM
Just wonder why when I was on diet pills, they made me able to focus more?
They were just your standard, caffine pills, with a small dose of effedra.

I stopped taking them a few months ago because I figured they are not good for me.

Any thoughts?

PinkPanther_04
11-06-06, 02:12 PM
Because they're stimulants and stimulants are the most common pharmaceutical treatment for ADD. Things like ephedra or caffeine aren't specifially targeted toward ADD, but lots of people find that various stimulants, legal and illegal, help them focus. They all increase neurotransmitters that help you focus, like adrenaline and dopamine. Activities that increase adrenaline or dopamine production (like high-risk activities, or just things you really like) would probably help you focus as well.

Grade A
11-06-06, 02:39 PM
Thanks Pinkpanther, you are right..I like this forum, and I am able to focus on this no problem. Just got to find some other things that I enjoy to focus on.

casinowife
11-06-06, 07:09 PM
I use to take phentermine for the same reason. Dr said I had to stop before I could start Adderall so I did

Grade A
11-06-06, 07:27 PM
I use to take phentermine for the same reason. Dr said I had to stop before I could start Adderall so I did
So the phentermine helped your ADD too? You had focus?

So now the adderall is doing the same thing?

HighFunctioning
11-06-06, 07:46 PM
Phentermine is a derivative of amphetamine....

More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phentermine

Grade A
11-06-06, 07:50 PM
Thanks Highfunctioning

Hyperion
11-07-06, 01:03 AM
The main difference between "diet" pills like phentermine or ephedrine and assorted other stimulants and the stimulant meds used for ADHD is simply a matter of the ratio of "body" stimulation to "brain" stimulation. The technical terms are "peripheral" and "central" stimulation, but body and brain are a good enough way to think about it.

The meds used for weight loss tend to have much more body stimulation and less brain stimulation compared to those used to treat ADHD. This means that to get the same level of brain stimulation with, say, ephedrine (just as phentermine is a derivative of amphetamine, amphetamine is a derivative of ephedrine) that you would want from amphetamine, the ephedrine would result in a greater increase in heart rate, body temp, sweating, blood pressure, etc.

This also makes sense when you look at why they're used for diet pills, because they increase metabolism and such. Adderall is actually sort of a hybrid, in that it contains both the "left-handed" and "right-handed" version of amphetamine, the first is more body stimulating, the second is more brain stimulating (but 75% of it is the right-handed, brain stimulating version). Strattera is often referred to as a "non-stimulant" because it tends to be far more brain stimulating than other meds.

amandaLyn
12-29-06, 05:31 PM
That makes so much sense Hyperion!. I have been taking ephedrine for years to help myself focus... Not even realizing that I had ADD at the time, I just knew that I worked better when i took it (i'm a software developer)... And I also noticied that it gave me the motivation that i needed to attempt to stay organized and to clean the house... This used to work much better than it does now. As I think i've become tolerant of the drug. I was just diagnosed with ADHD and am have to wait a month to get in with a Dr. to start treatment with medication. But it's so eyeopening... as it makes so much sense. I don't care much for the ephedrine as it does make my heart beat too fast... so it'll be intersting to try a "brain" stim. and see how that works.
It's interesting to look back on my life and realize how i've been self medicating myself all for my adhd symptoms that i never knew were adhd until just recently...
It's so crazy... kinda like being born again.

Kiisethwa
12-29-06, 07:00 PM
Well, I need to find some GOOD diet pills then!

...not the watered down crap bec. they don't do SQUAT.

Honda Shadow
12-29-06, 08:03 PM
For years I had been on every kind of diet pill. Each time I excelled in everything that I was doing. I had no fear and was ready to learn anything new. I felt good, losing weight helped self esteem, but gave me a cocky attitude. I was a busy bee, couldn't do enough. I loved that feeling. After awhile, I'd ween myself off them, figuring I had everything under control. WRONG. Depression, weight gain, withdrawing socially. I really hated the jittery feeling that the diet pills caused. Anyway, after finding out that I had add and joined the forum, I was shocked to see that amphetimine, sorry for the spelling, you all know what I mean, that they were a stimulant. That is why when on diet pills, I felt so good. I thought it was weight loss, but it was my body saying give me more of that stuff. Only thing it wasn't the right med that I needed. So after being dia with full blown add, my body is loving the meds. I have gone from 54 mg concerta to 72 mg daily along with depression medication.

Now all this information you all have given me on the form made me realize why I loved the diet pills. The add meds are much better. The jittery feeling doesn't last that long, especially if you're doing a task that you're focusing on. Sorry for the soap box. Happy New Year to you all.

HelpB
01-11-07, 11:41 AM
Just wonder why when I was on diet pills, they made me able to focus more?
They were just your standard, caffine pills, with a small dose of effedra.

I stopped taking them a few months ago because I figured they are not good for me.

Any thoughts?
Where would you find a caffine pill with effedra. Didn't that stuff get banned? I'm expecting my husband to resist going to a doctor for help, but if I can get him to see a difference in his organization on something, he may be more willing to see a doctor about his ADD. He does notice a positive change with taking phenylephrine HCL

jeaniebug
01-11-07, 11:52 AM
Strattera is often referred to as a "non-stimulant" because it tends to be far more brain stimulating than other meds.
I don't understand, Hyperion. So it stimulates the brain more and the "body" less? Can you tell me which neurotransmiters are affected by Strattera?

Thanks! ;) Paula

steviefranchise
01-11-07, 12:12 PM
Where would you find a caffine pill with effedra. Didn't that stuff get banned? I'm expecting my husband to resist going to a doctor for help, but if I can get him to see a difference in his organization on something, he may be more willing to see a doctor about his ADD. He does notice a positive change with taking phenylephrine HCLThe ban on ephedra has been lifted in some states and you can buy it online.
Most of what's out there is only 10mg which is not even close to being enough for me. I have found a few sites that have 25mg tablets. I did not like the stacked formulas such as Stacker due to the fact the addition of caffeine and other stims upset my system and made me jittery. The ephedra is what really gets the results anyway.

I self medicated with ephedra for years off and on before my ADD diagnoses using 50mg of pure ephedra in the morning and another 50mg at noon range.
I had to take a few months off of it once in awhile due to tolerance issues and side effects such as irritability and nightmares.

It worked great for me for focus and weight control. Also was great for excercise. I wouldn't think that it's a good idea to combine with ADD meds...

nzkiwi
01-11-07, 02:46 PM
All these medications(ephedrine,phentermine,adderall,etc) have similar mechanisms of action(norepinephrine). Many times it's just an approval thing, Phentermine is approved as a weight loss medication, but could very well be effective for some adhder's. Adderall was once used as a weight loss medication and is now approved for adhd. I am surprised more of the stimulants aren't used for adhd. Each stimulant may have a greater effect on either norepinephine or dopamine, but generally effect both.

lgarmon11
12-30-10, 08:14 PM
hi everyone,

new to the whole add experience. was given phentermine for an off label trial for ADD and it was wonderful. my doc then prescribed adderall to see if it would be more successful. NOT AT ALL. i feel worse. i'm sure there has to be a lesson there, so I'm curious: has anyone found a med that worked for them after phentermine?

relativehelp
01-07-11, 04:20 PM
Diet pills are stimulants so they help you keep focused and some of them also have 5-Htp to help release more serotonin. The best one I found is Thermadrol by bignutrition, you can get it on amazon

addkid92
01-29-11, 12:21 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't ephedrine banned in the U.S? I recall it being so, as, I was looking into ephedrine as a OTC stimulant for my ADHD back when I didn't have access to the doc.

Best combo for me: caffeine + ritalin.

Fortune
01-29-11, 02:13 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't ephedrine banned in the U.S? I recall it being so, as, I was looking into ephedrine as a OTC stimulant for my ADHD back when I didn't have access to the doc.

Best combo for me: caffeine + ritalin.

Check the dates on the thread.

Also, people outside the US post here.

I also think it's possible to get ephedra from outside the country, it's just illegal to sell, not to own.

addkid92
01-29-11, 04:33 PM
Check the dates on the thread.

Also, people outside the US post here.

I also think it's possible to get ephedra from outside the country, it's just illegal to sell, not to own.


Sorry about that. Didn't mean to offend anyone.

kimleeshow
01-28-12, 09:33 AM
I want to know the current situation that ephedra (http://store.femnutrition.com/ephedra-diet-pills-eca-stack.html) is being recommended by doctors now a days or not.because i heard that it is not recommend by many doctors now.