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The best help I can give you is to stick with your breath. YOU MUST TRY THIS!!

Do breathing constantly. Incorporate constant motion, one thing at a time motion, and you are very efficient. That strain in your mind, (muscle tension) give that up, it is not you and does not help. If you want to release a lot of energy, do some exercising!

While doing this, meds aren't needed as much. And without meds, your mind is allowed to run cooler and deeper.

Can you describe the sensation meds give you?

focusing on the breath allays misfiring of the synapses and doesn't "get in the way" of normal functioning.

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bosi

following the breath as my favoured meditative practice.
- for anxiety suppression.

:-) prana breathing :-)

There's a key observation underlying man's development into an efficient aerobic organism - away from anaerobic metabolism.
To be clear - tendency towards aerobic respiration (the sort used by long distane walkers as opposed to short distance runners) - parallels our evolution - and is intertwined with that other evolutionarily defined characteristic - of course - ADD.

And the link is?

Now ...
if anybody says that all ADDers breathe ... well ... :-) ...

:-(

:-)

Although seemingly at a tangent to Bosi's post - the point - *reusable components* - aerobic metabolism arose totally wayyy before mind ->- and now pheus describes a funtionality ascribed to mind - related to breathing - a million miles from that first aerobic bug which did the electric buggaloo on our planet.

"following the breath as my favoured meditative practice.
- for anxiety suppression."

breathing saves us from our minds. our minds, if kept going, we turn into a ball of anxiety.

3 components hold up reality- keep one from early death and insane asylum




if our processes became purely mental, we'd eventually turn into electricity.

mind, body, and external environment

STICK WITH IT. You can be your ego- while being mindful of breathing. And be engaged with your personal life.

Have a wonderful weekend,

Bosi

... the weekend begins here ... :-) ... and to you (of course) ...
the external environment casaded up through multiple stopovers to 'body'
the external environment then threw in mind
the external environment then pushed the mind up a notch - into the adder ...
-"if our processes became purely mental - we'd eventually turn onto electricity"-
oh my! - in all sincerity - if you knew how much I have been dwelling on this question ...
...the question of mind:body(brain) duality and whether it can be severed...

...you're right - switching off 'conscious awareness' - the mind - results in a reduction in anxiety.
Anxiety simply - as with other mental disorders - the warning sign of an imbalance in personal internal (rr)reality.
So - my question - can there be a balanced internal rrreality ->- or does the act of balancing one's own internal representation of reality -lead to->- an advancement in mind ->- which puts us back at the same place (albeit ahead of where we were) - or to rephrase - with a whole buncha' new questions - which we couldn't even have comprehended previously?
It's Friday - yay!
And it's Friday - yay!
and I don't know if I mentioned this - but it's - have a ~ :-) ~

- the comedy though is in the serendipity which delivered us - with seemingly higher ideals - where these higher ideals are often characterized as being bestowed by a bearded chappy - when it takes little effort to recreate the path - given that critical insight into evolution - how does it do that and why?

Just surprising that evolution turned out to be so simple in 'desire' and mechanism.

The breath is a wonderful place to focus, a hypnotic ebb and flow. But the self-model can't see that which instantiates the self(-ves) because the media are transparent, beyond inspection. Naive realism results. We know it is I, yet where does the I go when the question's not asked

centered

uncentered
so what
OK

stick with it ---> it's OK
not to too

anaerobic
aerobic

breathe

i find vsialtion works well as well with breathing i normal do it with a wight treee when iam have a badtime out side....etc i thing your right breath is something most dont think about but if you ill say cold or something like that you notic then all takes work the mind is the key to all things dorm

Another type of Prana breathing is to breath in and out through the nose.

And breath in by pushing your stomach out, and breathing by pushing your belly button to your spine.

concentrating on only the belly moving in and out.

for 1-2 mins, clears the mind and raises energy.

However it shouldnt be doen whilst driving or operating heavy machinery, as it can cause a little light headedness for a minute or 2.

... And breath in by pushing your stomach out, and breathing by pushing your belly button to your spine ...... from the diaphragm - this method of (deep) breathing during meditation cannot be beaten.

imagine the diaphragm massaging your solar plexus
you'll probably be feeling the turmoil - right there
and somehow - the belief in the massage
appears to soften the discomfort
of the anxiety causing
the butterflies to flutter
erratically
- there.

Readily understandable since "deep" goes hand in hand with that evolutionary switch from anaerobic ->- aerobic metabolism.
The only downside - lapsing into normal breaths and failure to reconnect to deep breathing without reruiting conscious mind.
Also inhalation <<<time<<< exhalation - don't bother ...
... unless you can
-I can't
... without trying
Which kinda' defeats the object of the whole enchilada.

Vizualization is a much more advanced technique -
- the difficulty 'staying in the zone'
... stick with serene landscapes which are very well known to you - otherwise - drifting - which (incidentally) - is why breathing works so well - the focus is relatively simple to maintain - the conscious mind deactivated
- I think that vizualization is more akin to falling into the nonlinear mind of ADD ->- that's the bit where words don't cut it ->- where the landscape is a more abstract Dali-esque painting - and where linear communication using words to describe the experiences in this mindscape - is futile.

... breathing is controlled autonomously - buried within the ancient parts of the brain ...
try google term "respiratory ramp"
... vizualization requires a higher level of neural function - is not possible without mind ...

... so all in all - yes Dorm and Luke - the two methods - the only two methods which I have ever used - and ~quite simply~ the ...

ahhh!!!

Whilst vizualizing - attempt to focus - kinda' like the glorious scene from Bladerunner - down -- into some aspect of the image -
something bizarre happens -
without explaining -
"ouch"
x
n (big number)

the mind is indeed a powerhouse of energy, the densest of our body's....

but

the WHOLY body is the mind.... (think how it is all the WHOLY person...beautific

wonder why you get antsy during extended periods of sitting,

especially where there is little stimulation....

(I much rather to eat with friends)

(homework w/music)

huh? meds pops up... for different reason, though?????

medding...meditating w/o right breath is worthless....

FUNctional ADDer (what does it look like?)
FUNctional Joe (???)


is it more FUN on meds???

from experience, no? BUTTTTT

when FUN+Breath+meds===more fun than ever??

dunno, never tried.....


Biological views are FUNNER

Eating/Destroying= FUN!~!

true FUNNESS??? more complex, LOLL
stooge, me, to be, or am I?

rrrrreeailty WHEEEE!!
reality--- /:

the first was more fun to type...
Can u see the FUN in it?? NO??? Relativity you say??

RELATIVITY=FUNNEss

malleableableableness----

degree of this relative to FUNNESS

play-doh...dig

*snap


SPENT,

bosi


sooner or later, you'll tyre of it all. But don't let that stop the FUNNESS

vizualization is a much more advanced technique -
- the difficulty 'staying in the zone'
... stick with serene landscapes which are very well known to you - otherwise - drifting - which (incidentally) - is why breathing works so well - the focus is relatively simple to maintain - the conscious mind deactivated

ahh!!! L:OL..... meds...how affective once you get this??

me===only visual---little breath----hard (small degree FUN)
me===big breath---little visual---grr....(Centered, but missing something) I feel occupied--working on FUN factor

rid boredom--- KEEP BREATHING no matter state of mind

resolve--- on FUN ==== happy fellow

focus breath (surrender/cuts anxiety)

the resolve place on FUN (visualizing fun things) Can't? BREATHE, things come back

FIVE Hindrances
beware: Sloth and Torpor

for me. others--w/breath of focus---not too much problem

Live FUN--- a GAME where reality is relative (vibrations)

Also inhalation <<<time<<< exhalation - don't bother ...
... unless you can
-I can't
... without trying
Which kinda' defeats the object of the whole enchilada.
resolve is powerful method....don't get methodlogical with breath and visualization, though

PURE RESOLVE : in everything one wishes to do and be
gets job done

me...sloth and torpor--ADDer addiction to computerness...alike and unalike... the Homo sapien respirates and moves.

i know all is concious to a degree--all-connected


I think that vizualization is more akin to falling into the nonlinear mind of ADD ->- that's the bit where words don't cut it ->- where the landscape is a more abstract Dali-esque painting - and where linear communication using words to describe the experiences in this mindscape - is futile.


The Way is not linear---no mind is, REALly...some people act like it, though...a front, haha...the trick is being constatnly aware of it and engaged with it....works through faith (being aligned)

examine patterns--- is what all is

even words play a part in FUNNYrrreality---anthropologists.....language encoded in DNA!!

whew!
g'night

Prana breathing and visualization, are possible to achieve at once, without losing 'focus'.

You have to find a quiet setting, and not have other matters to attend to, for about half an hour or so.

They can be achieved.