I am an inatentive AHDH'er. I have never thought of myself as hyperactive, but I was reading "A hyperactive mind" in another thread, (thanks Charon...) (forgot the spelling) and I thought,

WOW, I am hyperactive, in one sense of the word. My mind is continuously bouncing all over the place.

I love this website, because I can bounce around alot and that is fun!

I think about things like--I need to pick up milk at the store, I really should find a home for the kitty that climbed into my daughter's car at Taco Bell, and I have spent 300 on getting her neutered, clearing up her sinus infections and getting vaccinations, but she is too cute. But I already have two cats and a dog and live in an apartment. I will look for a new place to live if I get that job I interviewed for 2 weeks ago. They said they need someone who is already a licensed sanitarian, and maybe I could just take the test, but it costs almost 200 to take the test and I need to find a book to study for it, and who would be likely to have one, I have to take 8 visually impaired/hearing impaired boys to a Christmas Stroll this afternoon, and I know they will be arguing and whining and running amok around hundreds of people and I am really dreading that. I need to do some laundry, but I have to remember to pick up some detergent, the oil needs to be changed in both of our vehicles and the check engine light is coming on in daughter's car, and I can't afford to take it in, and we can't afford not to have her car running, and I will need some new clothes if I start a new job, and I will make more money then, but don't have the money now for clothes, and I am a good seamstress and I could make some clothes, but I can't seem to get started. And I am thrilled to be talking about geologic time on the ADHD forum with SB UK and others. etc, etc....

Or, maybe it is just too hard to read what everyone else's hyperactive mind is racing on about! But it feels good to vent and also to know that I am not the only one whose mind has always been on overdrive.

Anyone want to share?

Or, maybe it is just too hard to read what everyone else's hyperactive mind is racing on about!
Very well said! I often think when I look at others "what are they thinking about". I am sure they have a lot of the same worries!!!

I really discovered my ADD when I went looking for a reason I couldn't get to sleep at night. Always had a stressful situation (mostly caregiving) to blame it on. But then.. the stress was gone and I still couldn't sleep. When I hit the hypermind thread I KNEW it was ADD.

What do I think about? Everything. What happened today and wherever the free association leads. What I have to do tomorrow. I consciously try to pull my mind into stories that will lead me off to slumber and next thing I know I'm thinking about the grocery list again. And next thing I know I'm looping back where I started. It's ok unless my mind starts running on things that cause me concern, and if I let that go I can get the adrenaline going. I hoped meds would help but so far, no. The difference is that the hypermind is less hyperspeed and more dreamy, so I'm not sure if it's become a habit I can still get out of, or the meds just aren't working for it.

Incidentally, msam, your signature is hilarious... and so realistic. (sigh)

I am diagnosis as attention deficit with hyperactivity, My most noticeable trait being the fact I can 't physically sit still, I am constantly fidgeting and wiggling . . . .my hyper activity is followed by the tendency to be verbally impulsive. . .medical for I speak my mind and tend to be direct.

My mind goes a million miles an hour. . . in several directions at once. I am not only distracted by internal thoughts which can come in multiples but I am also distracted by external stuff as well. I hear every conversation in ear shot, tags scraping across my skin are a distraction and I can be trying to listen to the saddest story ever and the fact that the elastic in one sock is slightly looser than the other demands at least one channel of my attention.

When I am expected to sit in a boring meeting or sit and listen to two people converse about some thing boring my mind will wander off just like inattentive ADDers however what make me different is my wondering mind takes my body along for the ride. . . . trying to get my mind and body tired at the same time is a nightly challenge. . . some times my mind wants to be still but my body wants to wiggle. . other times my body is exhausted but me brain refuses to shut up so me body can sleep. . .Uggggg so I post on forums until every part is exhausted which can lead to some interesting post.

The flying mind is the signature trait of the inattentive. Many of us cannot sleep for that trait, Charonshanti. I find that I sleep better medicated, but if I am unmedicated? I defocus the racing thoughts on the TV set. This drives my partners crazy but it does work (BDH has grown used to it, thank all the dieties that he has ADHD too!).

I think HighFuntioning said it best when he said "This is an interesting thought...hey look! Another interesting thought!" (apologies to HF for not playing Finder of Lost Posts and getting that quote exactly right, but that was the gist of it) and so we race from one thought to another...I suppose this is why the DSM-IV classifies all of us as ADHD.

Y'all DO know there is no longer any such thing as ADD in the medical field right? We all have ADHD and are distinguished by our type :) in this case primarily inattentive, meaning we are visibly inattentive but our minds are hyperactive to the Nth degree.

There really are some days I am thankful I have BPII, ya know. If I experience hypomania I can channel my racing thoughts into a hyperactive body experience. Its only when I sit down that the racing thoughts return to me. This gives me a load of sympathy for the body hyperactives ;).

Meadd,
Thanks ! for *saying* what I wanted to say, but more effectively than I could.

I'm 'highly' wiggly and verbally impulsive, also- with my *difference* in that I've always had difficulty 'articulating' my 'thoughts' into 'words'- that the 'majority' are capable of understanding.

I'm fluent, in *speaking* Metaphoricalese (I didn't 'just develop this', I've mostly had to suppress it actually)...and having to continuously 'translate that'..becomes exhausting for me.

That's why I HAVE to 'balance'...and allow for my being able to *speak* in the way most 'comfortable' for me, with frequent interaction with close friends, who don't 'demand' I 'translate' my thoughts. :)




I am diagnosis as attention deficit with hyperactivity, My most noticeable trait being the fact I can 't physically sit still, I am constantly fidgeting and wiggling . . . .my hyper activity is followed by the tendency to be verbally impulsive..

My mind goes a million miles an hour. . . in several directions at once. I am not only distracted by internal thoughts which can come in multiples but I am also distracted by external stuff as well.

The flying mind is the signature trait of the inattentive. Many of us cannot sleep for that trait, Charonshanti. I find that I sleep better medicated, but if I am unmedicated? I defocus the racing thoughts on the TV set. This drives my partners crazy but it does work (BDH has grown used to it, thank all the dieties that he has ADHD too!).

It usually is, but it's not a requirement. It's fairly common for those with ADHD to have sleep-onset insomnia because of this. I've wondered if there's a connection with serotonin levels here... in that low dopamine (in the respective areas) + low serotonin (but not depression) (areas where dopamine is high) == hyperactivity/impulsiveness (where hyperactivity may be physical and/or mental) and low dopamine + high serotonin == drooling (not an extremely fast mind, but a propensity to stare and daydream). It has been stated in the past on the forums that ADHD with hyperactivity may be due to low dopamine in the frontal areas and high dopamine in other areas (possibly causing hyperactivity), and for those who had ADHD in the past (who have grown out of hyperactivity), they might be more prone to mental hyperactivity and less drooling compared to those with ADHD-Inattentive to begin with. But that's only a theory.

Biological Rythms (http://www.personalityresearch.org/papers/marino.html) may be worth some consideration as well, no matter which side of the camp one sleeps or doesn't.

Cute.:p

one sleeps or doesn't

Y'all DO know there is no longer any such thing as ADD in the medical field right? We all have ADHD and are distinguished by our type :) in this case primarily inattentive, meaning we are visibly inattentive but our minds are hyperactive to the Nth degree.


I've been thinking about that for a while now. Always thought of myself as ADD inattentive and the opposite of hyper ie. sluggush, daydreamy, unfocused. But as I read more of the posts on the subject of the hyperactive mind I can relate my mind is going at warp speed. When writing or typing I can't even keep up with my thoughts they are waayyy out in front of me.

I've been thinking about that for a while now. Always thought of myself as ADD inattentive and the opposite of hyper ie. sluggush, daydreamy, unfocused. But as I read more of the posts on the subject of the hyperactive mind I can relate my mind is going at warp speed. When writing or typing I can't even keep up with my thoughts they are waayyy out in front of me.Exactly the way I feel.....Exactly. Adderall XR 15mg has helped me slow down the traffic in my brain. I was so exhausted each day from thinking...no one could understand me, especially now that I know it is ADD causing that.

The books I have read are good, but this forum brings all together for me!!

NJTrout

SOOOO glad I could help the above 2 posters feel so much better in their PI-ADHD skin :) That made my night seeing your posts!

Well, now I'm REALLY confused. I think I need to learn more about the types before I can determine where I fall.

I am/do/have all of the following:

Physical hyperactivity (fired from one job because I couldn't stay in my cubicle)
Mental hyperactivity (my second most acute trait)
Implusiveness (most pronounced trait) This is where meds have been a help so far - giving me just that extra 1/2 second to stop and think before I act or speak.
Daydreaming
Tuning out
Insomnia - due to mental hyperactivity. I think it is just like meadd823 and jeaniebug and others. It's like my mind is a tv screen and someone else has the remote and won't leave it on one channel for more than 10 seconds. Even though I am extemely exhausted, I can't fall asleep due to this, and when I do fall asleep, I have trouble waking up in the morning. I am now on Adderall XR 25 mg in the morning. Even though I crash hard when the XR wears off in the evening, doc doesn't want me to take another dose (IR or XR) so that I can sleep at night. But after the crash I sort of normalize and the physical and mental gymnastics begin, keeping me from sleeping. And she doesn't want me to start taking sleep meds 'cause I'll have to stay on them for life. Can't stay awake at 6pm when the Adderall wears off, can't fall asleep after 7pm when I recover from the crash.
Obsessive (hyperfocus) (wife is complaining about this right now, as I've spent a lot of time on ADDF the last two nights)
Talk too much and too fast, my mouth (or fingers when typing) can't keep up with my brain
Procrastination in the forms of Lack of motivation (starting projects) and Lack of persistence (finishing projects)

What combination of these things I am experiencing at a given moment is a crapshoot, except that certain activites to seem to trigger certain traits. For example, work triggers physical hyperactivity and verbal impulsiveness, bed time triggers mental hyperactivity, which as someone else mentioned, I try to counteract by concentrating on a daydream, and ADDF triggers me to talk (type) too much and become hyperfocussed on my disorder.

My point was, I thought I was hyperactive type, per some of the quizzes and such that I've done. But after reading this thread, I feel like I might be combination type. Maybe with a lean toward hyper.

Like you all, I am very thankful for this forum and the chance to find others that experience the same things I do. I can't really relate to most people I come in contact with outside of here.

Iansdad,
You'd never *believe* how many members, spend 'alot of time' on this forum.

I don't 'bowl', anymore.
This is my 'bowling time, now.:D

No 'difference'.
I'm doing 'something' I enjoy doing.


Maybe you're enjoying the newly gained 'knowledge', along with trying to identify *who* a part of you is, on here.

It won't remain 'confusing' for *ever*. :)



Obsessive (hyperfocus) (wife is complaining about this right now, as I've spent a lot of time on ADDF the last two nights)

Well, now I'm REALLY confused. I think I need to learn more about the types before I can determine where I fall.

Here ya go! (http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/pediatrics/hcp/adhddsmiv.cfm)

DSM IV Criteria for Diagnosis of AD/HD


Either 1 or 2
Six or more of the following symptoms of inattention have persisted for at least six months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level:
Often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities
Often has difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities
Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly
Often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand instructions)
Often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities
Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort (such as school work or homework)
Often loses things necessary for tasks or activities (e.g., toys, school assignments, pencils, books, or tools)
Is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli
Is often forgetful in daily activities

Six or more of the following symptoms of hyperactivity/impulsivity have persisted for at least six months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level

Hyperactivity
Often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat
Often leaves seat in classroom or in other situations in which remaining seated is expected
Often runs about or climbs excessively in situations in which it is inappropriate (in adolescents or adults, may be limited to subjective feelings of restlessness)
Often has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly
Is often "on the go" or often acts as if "driven by a motor"
Often talks excessively Impulsivity

Often blurts out answers before questions have been completed
Often has difficulty awaiting turn
Often interrupts or intrudes on others (e.g. butts into conversations or games)

Some hyperactive, impulsive or inattentive symptoms that caused impairment were present before 7 years of age
Some impairment from the symptoms is present in two or more settings (e.g., at school or work and at home)
There must be clear evidence of clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning
The symptoms do not occur exclusively during the course of a pervasive developmental disorder, schizophrenia, or other psychotic disorder, and are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., mood disorder, anxiety disorder, dissociative disorder, personality disorder.)
:D I am an Inattentive because I only become Impulsive when frustrated to my wits' end. I USED to be the combined type for Impulsivity, no Hyperactivity here! The Kid is has recently passed the 6 month barrier from Combined to Inattentive.

I am not hyperactive as much anymore (physically) but in mind I am extremely hyperactive. I have all different thoughts going on in the matter of a few seconds.

When this happens I get words screwed up when I go to speak. :p It can be embarassing to people that do not understand. But hey, thats just the way I am wired.:)

On the way to work this morning, I thought about at least 50 different things from the time I left the house untill I got to work, 8 minutes later lol.
Got into the car, thought about calling some people when I got to work, picking up x-mas gifts, when I am going to be leaving for x-mas to go to my parents, the jerk driver that cut me off. The list goes on and on and on....unfortunatley, most times I can't remember what I was thinking (as in can't name all 50 things) hehe:) . I especially forget the good ideas I had.

I would like to get a computer microchip installed in my brain, like a recorder, to keep track of my thoughts...lol, there would be a lot of fast-forwarding though to get to the ideas that make sense. LOL:)





I am an inatentive AHDH'er. I have never thought of myself as hyperactive, but I was reading "A hyperactive mind" in another thread, (thanks Charon...) (forgot the spelling) and I thought,

WOW, I am hyperactive, in one sense of the word. My mind is continuously bouncing all over the place.

I love this website, because I can bounce around alot and that is fun!

I think about things like--I need to pick up milk at the store, I really should find a home for the kitty that climbed into my daughter's car at Taco Bell, and I have spent 300 on getting her neutered, clearing up her sinus infections and getting vaccinations, but she is too cute. But I already have two cats and a dog and live in an apartment. I will look for a new place to live if I get that job I interviewed for 2 weeks ago. They said they need someone who is already a licensed sanitarian, and maybe I could just take the test, but it costs almost 200 to take the test and I need to find a book to study for it, and who would be likely to have one, I have to take 8 visually impaired/hearing impaired boys to a Christmas Stroll this afternoon, and I know they will be arguing and whining and running amok around hundreds of people and I am really dreading that. I need to do some laundry, but I have to remember to pick up some detergent, the oil needs to be changed in both of our vehicles and the check engine light is coming on in daughter's car, and I can't afford to take it in, and we can't afford not to have her car running, and I will need some new clothes if I start a new job, and I will make more money then, but don't have the money now for clothes, and I am a good seamstress and I could make some clothes, but I can't seem to get started. And I am thrilled to be talking about geologic time on the ADHD forum with SB UK and others. etc, etc....

Or, maybe it is just too hard to read what everyone else's hyperactive mind is racing on about! But it feels good to vent and also to know that I am not the only one whose mind has always been on overdrive.

Anyone want to share?

... geologic ...Geology is one of the notable over-represented specialisms on the forum.
I'd call it a draw between linguistics and geology.

Why were you attracted to geology?

Was there a special something there - which pulled you in - and which continues to hold your attention?

If I were asked that question - about all things scientific - I think the first phonomenon which caught me - was 'magnetism.'

Particularly two identical poles - repelling one another.

Used to love moving one magnet towards the other - and feeling my hand being pushed away - obviously - well before any 'apparent' contact had been made.

Geologically - I'm caught by pure crystal forms.
My mother was a geologist and when I was very very small - used to look through her many many boxes of crystals.

yummm ... amethyst ...

... actually love crystal structures {across the board {all disciplines}} :-)

Thanks, Nova! - for the encouragement.

Hey Crazy Feet, thanks for that.

I guess I am firmly in the combined type.
Six of # 1 and all 10 of #2, with high emphasis on the impulsivity criteria, since those tendancies are the ones that have affected my life most negatively.
First diagnosed as "hyperkinetic/hyperactive" (it was the early 1970's) at three years old.
Symptoms present at school, at work, at home, and in social situations.
Clearly impaired my ability to study, and has hampered my career several times.
No other mental disorders to account for the behavior.

SB_UK,

I have my BA in Geology. Although I've never worked in the field, I still find it fascinating. I studied geology because from early on I collected minerals. Not junk rocks (The study of which is called petrology). From the age of 13 I was considered an advanced mineral collector. During my high school years I worked my summer vacations and a work-study program my senior year of high school at the American Museum of Natural History in NYC. Went on to major in it in college. Did ok, but the working world of it held little appeal.

Somewhere I thought I read that ADDers are collectors. Look at the pile on my desk, hence the mineral collecting. For me minerals are natures purest art form. I've have seen minerals in their crystal form that could bring tears to your eyes....

Geology is the study of the earth and its processes. Geology is all around us. All life comes from the "stuff" in the earth. So why do so many ADDers have Geology in common...it is so comprehensible at the same time being so incomprehensible. It exists at the microscopic level at the same time it is as big as the earth. The basis of the measurement of life and the universe is measured in milliseconds and in billions of years...

Wow. Did I just write all that?

NJTrout

Geology is one of the notable over-represented specialisms on the forum.
I'd call it a draw between linguistics and geology.

Why were you attracted to geology?

Was there a special something there - which pulled you in - and which continues to hold your attention?

If I were asked that question - about all things scientific - I think the first phonomenon which caught me - was 'magnetism.'

Particularly two identical poles - repelling one another.

Used to love moving one magnet towards the other - and feeling my hand being pushed away - obviously - well before any 'apparent' contact had been made.

Geologically - I'm caught by pure crystal forms.

... actually love crystal structures {across the board {all disciplines}} :-)

I blame mine on bowling.:D
(just kidding, lol)



No other mental disorders to account for the behavior.

That darn DSM...has to spell it all out for you, LOL. I meet all but three of the criteria in both 1 and 2 combined. So, I am ADHD combined type, severe. It all depends on what I am doing as to what symptoms will present themselves. Sometimes it is like a monster, I have no idea when it will happen or what will happen!

Geology is the study of the earth and its processes. Geology is all around us. All life comes from the "stuff" in the earth. So why do so many ADDers have Geology in common

I don't study it like you and SB do but I do like to make jewlery out of it and I know most of my semi-percious gems. Even though I have lived here for going on a month now and still have not memorized my home phone number!

Geology is one of the notable over-represented specialisms on the forum.
I'd call it a draw between linguistics and geology.

Why were you attracted to geology?

Was there a special something there - which pulled you in - and which continues to hold your attention?
SB,

I took my first geology class and was so fascinated I had to have more. I continue to be fascinated. I love crystals too. I got really into optical mineralogy where you can "see" the crystal structure in a polarized microscope and the optical properties of minerals are wonderful.

I got to take igenous petrology and that was all microscope work. A friend of mine used to say it was like "rapture of the deep." You get in there and you don't want to leave. "It's so pretty here, I just want to stay!"

So I guess I was able to hyperfocus. I wasn't as attracted to fossils as some of my friends, but I do like learn about current thinking in paleontology. I had a lot of friends in the oil industry who were micropaleontologists. They were soooo tiny : -). But they looked at forams, diatoms, sponge spicules and nano fossils (really really itty bitty) from the mud in the Gulf of Mexico all day. Used to love to go in and see what they were looking at.

I taught earth science for 4 years in a small college in Oregon, and that included meteorology which I also became fascinated with. Climate change is very intriguing. I minored in soil science in grad school and I like clay mineralogy and doing soil profiles too. I am an avid gardener and have always been fascinated by soil. Grew up on a farm too. Loved to play in the mud and make mud pies.

I had to take a microbiology class recently to be a health inspector. That was also interesting, but a lot like WORK. My geology classes were more like fun. Except for structural geology. Hope to never see another stereo net.

I have loads of rocks and minerals. Makes moving a challenge. :eyebrow:

Me too !!!
I'm going to tip over from all my gemstones 'bling bling', lol !
I have jewelry made from quartz crystals, too.

I do like to make jewlery out of it and I know most of my semi-percious gems.


I know about that. (0:
I usually have to look on my mobile, to figure out what mine is...and then I dyslex it, after looking it up.


Even though I have lived here for going on a month now and still have not memorized my home phone number!

http://www.geosci.unc.edu/Petunia/IgMetAtlas/plutonic-micro%7F/dunite.jpg

See what I mean about Rapture of the deep? :cool: (Olivine)

Beautiful, J !

While I've never 'studied' geology, either...I do love all of 'nature'. (0:

Biological Rythms (http://www.personalityresearch.org/papers/marino.html) may be worth some consideration as well, no matter which side of the camp one sleeps or doesn't.
That's a LOT to read :(

(One of the problems I have).

That's a LOT to read

No rule saying you have to read it all at one time. . . book mark the page (add to favorites) and if it is significant to you then you will return to it if not you can simply delete it in a month or so when you forget why you have it book marked. . . well that is the system that I use any way. I have hyperactive dyslexia with frequent distractions and need for wiggle breaks so I have a hard time reading some of the longer stuff in one sitting myself..


The topic hyperactive minds = Beginning the discussion with the hyper active mind and including in the same thought jewelry making crystals under a microscope during a rapture of the deep forgotten phone numbers that get dyslexed on the mobile phone that can't sleep due to long cycles . . . .yep pretty well covers the hyperactive mind. . . . :rolleyes:

Moderator getting lost in discussion about rocks = wondering how we got here form there = no hyperactive mental ADD around here! :p

[QUOT E= jeaniebug ]http://www.geosci.unc.edu/Petunia/IgMetAtlas/plutonic-micro%7F/dunite.jpg
[ / QUOTE ]

(Olivine)And my favourite periodic elements are
Fe, Mg
Si, C,
H
O [Na, K]

... olivine
->-
(Fe,Mg)2SiO4)

4 of 6
:-)

.l...because the crystals grow outward in all directions from a tetrahedral seed they are described as granular With no planes of weakness there is no cleavage, and because the crystals grow outward in all directions from a tetrahedral...

oopsydoopsy!

it was late ...!...

... so source (http://www.es.ucl.ac.uk/schools/Glossary/olivine.htm)

~and~

With no planes of weakness there is no cleavage, and because the crystals grow outward in all directions from a tetrahedral ~and~

from the 'Universal pattern of evolution' ... only described on ADDF ...
- that title kinda' embues the idea with an importance which suggests that the phrase might be a Google winner ~sadly~ not yet ... but soon ...

... ... ... very soon ... ... ...

... whereupon everything changes ...
->- exactly as 'Universal' teaches us

1 ->- [[[ 3->-4->- 13{1'} ]]] Layer of abstraction n
{1'} ->- [[[ 3' ~etc~ Layer of abstraction n+1 [ Complexity increases with n ]

... and so it continues until we've all available energy in one very very very very very very very very very very very very very complicated form.
3 (... ... ...)
4 (tetrahedral)
13 (icosahedral)


~Paraphrase~
3 4(tetrahedral) ->- 13(granular)


... should mention that 13 is called (in other contexts - quasicrystal, complex form ... { plenty of names which reflect the apparent lack of structure in a very highly structured form [perspective] } ...

:-)

please have fun with this - source (http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/Universe/DualMotion/dm.html) -

... and then join me in marvel at the usage of dual - both within context of geometry (that previous site) and within context of Stabile - a particularly complex form ... :-) ...

dual

Stabile ADDF source (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121275&postcount=103)
The metalevel at which this detail exists is too remote to worry about, just as (hopefully) the red-blue border is on our map. I'm sure you see where we’re going with this; the map with its red-blue borders is a dual of the Metamodel web. ... by the way ...

3Layer of abstraction n
mind ->- 3 dimensional ->- Homo sapiens subsp sapiens speciation event
ca. 35-50k years ago
genesis of spokenl language

4
Layer of abstraction n +1
mind ->- 4 dimensional ->- the first text
ca. 5-10k years ago
genesis of written language

13
Layer of abstraction n +2
mind ->- 13 dimensional ->- the first '... ... ...'
ca. now
genesis of language {evolved}

I believe that [3,4,13] represents increasing layers of abstraction, with 13[1'] ->- 3' representing speciation (not just in the context of life.)

The Universal pattern of evolution describes the evolution of all things and not just lil' ole' life.
Evolution relates to all things and not just to lil' ole' life.

Perhaps now would be the time to put forward the suggestion that in our Go..delian Universe - that the serendipitous pattern of evolution of energy towards complexity has occurred by the process of ...

fundamental ->- logic ->- binary ->- 0,1 ->- something, nothing
physics
chemistry
geology
biology
psychology
love

n=7 Abstraction layers

{I think}

:-)

The above layes are {3,4,13} platforms - I'm wondering whether
3->-4
4->-13 should be called a change in {a}bstraction layer and 13->-[1']->->->-3' in {A}bstraction layer

ahhh it suddenly went to chemistry?? O__O

but distraction and oot-ing is common. :)


i have a question here!! i am the sort who, at any one time, be
(1) talking (or typing, like now)
(2) sleeping
(3) drawing/story-writing
(4) daydreaming.
if i am not doing any of the above 4, i would go to daydreaming-mode. even when i eat or do assignments, i am part-time daydreaming.

so, i had a problem with my churchmates who frown upon me when i draw during service. it is not as though i am not listening - i am. i was holding a pencil and a pen. i copied sermon notes with a pen and drew with a pencil.

they seem to dislike it a lot though. they said it was rude, lack of self-control and the like. but that is really not true. if i just copy notes and not draw, my mind will soon drift off. so i use drawing as an anchor to keep me from daydreaming. i absorb about 75% of the message when i am drawing, and only 20% when daydreaming. and i cannot copy notes when daydreaming.

i tried explaining to them, but they said i wasn't trying hard enough. LIKE HELL YEA. i can copy more notes than any one of them and still can complete a clean sketch. 4 times more productive than they are, i swear.

... oh wait. i got deviated. i mean to ask, what exactly is my behavior? are there other ppl like me too?

(problem is solved already, by the way. i didn't sit with them in service anymore. :D)

i use drawing as an anchor to keep me from daydreaming. i absorb about 75% of the message when i am drawing, and only 20% when daydreaming. and i cannot copy notes when daydreaming....

... oh wait. i got deviated. i mean to ask, what exactly is my behavior? are there other ppl like me too?
Same here... I couldn't get away with drawing during lectures so I switched to translating the notes. the more boring the lecture, the more languages my notes are in. For deadly boring I can't seem to cut out the geometric doodles in the edges.

I have way more thought process going (hypermind) than is needed to keep up with the lecture. Sketching, doodling, other-language notes are all ways to negotiate with my mind to keep at least part of it focused on the subject at hand without getting distracted or taking side trips from boredom.

so, i had a problem with my churchmates who frown upon me when i draw during service. it is not as though i am not listening - i am. i was holding a pencil and a pen. i copied sermon notes with a pen and drew with a pencil. they seem to dislike it a lot though.


This would be their business how?

Some how they were appointed judges over your actions?. . . . I would say those are some big toes to be stepping on!

Religious specifics are not allowed to be discussed here so I can’t go into details in open forum but in a nut shell there are some who should worry about their own planks before beginning to concern themselves with another’s specks!




oh wait. i got deviated. i mean to ask, what exactly is my behavior? are there other ppl like me too?

Books worth of them here is some useful info, a small sample I copied from a most excellent book!


“Fidget to Focus”
By Roland Rotz PhD and Sarah D. Wright W.S.,A.C.T.

Page 38-39

When we fidget in order to focus, the fidgeting results in the short-term modulation of our deregulated neurological system . This is, at least, What we think is going on knowing what we do Is about neurology. The deregulation happens when there is not enough stimulation for the feed back loops in our brains to sustain adequate biochemical activity. When we are underarounsed the sense we are predominantly using is operating ineffectively in that moment . For instance of our minds are not able to sustain focus during a lecture, happens because our auditory processing is failing to keep us sufficiently stimulated, despite the level of importance of the event. In simpler terms the activity may be interesting just not interesting enough to keep our attention.


In simplest terms an effective fidget is a secondary sensory-motor activity we engage in to support the first. ***End Quote

Hope this helps answer a few questions!

...are there other ppl like me too?...I'm too uptight to sketch in church anymore.
But here is a collection of my Sermon Doodles (http://thesmudge.com/shapeshifter/sketch/collage3.gif).

Ditto on what Mead said about folks with planks blocking their vision thinking they are fit to remove a fuzzy from someone else's eye.

I had a professor get really upset with me in graduate school for doodling.

Back in grade school the teachers didn't care because I got A's and it was the only time I was quiet.

Ha Ha.. it's so odd that jumping around from topic to topic is very specific to ADD? :) I hate to be the broken record here, but I always thought that was normal! :D

I understand people having difficulty with someone else doodling.. in our culture it's attributed to not paying attention, which is a matter of debate and also the less important item. But it's also part of the courtesy of assuming people are there because they want to pay attention, and not doing things that would distract your neighbors. Which if you are a good artist and your neighbor is ADD, they might as well have stayed home, because it's easier to watch someone draw than listen to someone else talk any day of the week... applies in school, theatres, community discussions.... but I'd rather have my neighbor draw than popping gum any day of the week!! I also have the courtesy not to repeatedly sit by someone who distracts me and then complain about it.

I understand people having difficulty with someone else doodling.. in our culture it's attributed to not paying attention,

If person one is worried about person two doodling then there is a possibility person one isn’t paying attention to the right thing . In no way does it mean the person doodling isn’t paying attention. What applies to you doesn’t necessarily apply to me. I don’t find other people doodling at all distracting. . . . even if I notice it doesn’t bother me . . . . . ..that certainly doesn’t mean you couldn’t possibly be bothered by it. . . . .we are different and that should be okay. . . . .




in our culture it's attributed to not paying attention, which is a matter of debate and also the less important item.

Less important I disagree I would say the above statement is at the heart of the problem. . . . people expect every one else to be like them and become annoyed when they are not. . . . .the culture is crap (IHMO) time to scrap the moronic expectation of every one being alike and placing people into our own preconceived boxes called social expectations. . .

You are 100% correct that they more than likely attributed her doodling to not paying attention to the sermon because if they were drawing they would not be able focus on the sermon because they are not capable of doing both. . . . but doesn’t this mean they placing their own personal limitations upon her?. . . .I can’t spell does than mean no one else can either? I would not find some one next to me drawing distracting does that mean you can’t possibly be distracted by it? Expecting you to be exactly like me is silly. . . . Her church friends assumptions and subsequent comment are equally as silly.

Logic would dictate that if her attention was the real issue (as opposed unrealistic expectation of non-diversity) all they would have had to do was strike up a conversation about the sermon . . . this done in a friendly respectful manner would answer the concern of her attention without every revealing thier own doubts . . . . more importantly it would show some grey matter in operation instead of mindlessly assuming that every one on the planet is exactly like they are. . . . . . in my opinion.





Which if you are a good artist and your neighbor is ADD, they might as well have stayed home, because it's easier to watch someone draw than listen to someone else talk any day of the week

I could easily do both. . . listening uses my sense of hearing watching some one draw uses my vision I can process both in my brain . Right now I am listening to music and typing this because I can listen, sing and type simultaneously . . . . .I often type and talk at the same time which others do exactly as you pointed out above. . . . they get upset because they assume I am not paying attention even through I am able to respond appropriately to any questions asked. I have to make myself stop typing not for my benefit but because it bothers others (which I find annoying because again their limitation are being forced upon me) My partner can’t type and listen at the same time if I want to say some thing to him I have to wait until he stops or he has to stop so he can focus on what I am saying. . . .


I am slowly breaking my partner of this moronic application of his limitations being forced upon me. . . . I have multiple tracks of thought that are able to operate independently. . . . if listening I do best if I engage in a secondary sensory input. . . . again I am assuming that this does not mean every ADDer on the planet has this ability. . . . . however there appears to be a certain segment of us who can and actually do better if we are doing two things at once because introducing a secondary sensory activity that is not in competition with the same sense needed for our primary activity increases our arousal and allows us to actually be able to pay attention better to the primary activity.





I also have the courtesy not to repeatedly sit by someone who distracts me and then complain about it.

This is also a sign of the un-common gift of common sense.

Uncommon part is in the fact that you realize that the problem is you are distracted by some one else’s doodling. .. . you are taking responsibility for your own distractibility and are attempting to alter your coarse of action instead of expecting them to change because you have a problem. This is a very important difference.

I could easily do both. . . listening uses my sense of hearing watching some one draw uses my vision I can process both in my brain . Right now I am listening to music and typing this because I can listen, sing and type simultaneously . . . . .I often type and talk at the same time which others do exactly as you pointed out above. . . . they get upset because they assume I am not paying attention even through I am able to respond appropriately to any questions asked. I have to make myself stop typing not for my benefit but because it bothers others (which I find annoying because again their limitation are being forced upon me) My partner can’t type and listen at the same time if I want to say some thing to him I have to wait until he stops or he has to stop so he can focus on what I am saying. . . .


I am slowly breaking my partner of this moronic application of his limitations being forced upon me. . . . I have multiple tracks of thought that are able to operate independently. . . . if listening I do best if I engage in a secondary sensory input. . . . again I am assuming that this does not mean every ADDer on the planet has this ability. . . . . however there appears to be a certain segment of us who can and actually do better if we are doing two things at once because introducing a secondary sensory activity that is not in competition with the same sense needed for our primary activity increases our arousal and allows us to actually be able to pay attention better to the primary activity.




Wow I'm very similar yet very different. Sometimes I long for silence...don't you? I don't agree with what you are saying about your partner. I work with individuals with communication disorders so I tend to focus all my attention on the different ways they are communicating things to me through body language and eye contact taking into consideration the environment and the situational criteria. Then attempting to model modes of clear and appropriate communication in response to this is something that is very, very challenging. Because I have a disability I know what it is like to be misunderstood and it's very frustrating. I'm in college for graphic design and this area of study uses the same sort of ideas. There is always an information hierarchy. In order to recieve the entire message we need to understand the environment in which this hierarchy exists. Even within our own minds we have to overcome our own biased experiences in order to fully understand the viewpoint of another individual. Sometimes the thoughts of the listener overpower the thoughts of the speaker.

Basically I know what you are saying about clear channels and being able to respond to multiple stimulus and filtering it in order to obtain a true message or fulfill some motivated task. And sometimes I too feel the superhuman ability to hear. But most importantly I can finally see the forest through the trees. Then look at the different kinds of trees in the forest and the bugs and the birds and then quite possible give you geographical location of the forest from this information.

In simplest terms an effective fidget is a secondary sensory-motor activity we engage in to support the first
ahh thank you. that helps. :)


Logic would dictate that if her attention was the real issue (as opposed unrealistic expectation of non-diversity) all they would have had to do was strike up a conversation about the sermon . . . this done in a friendly respectful manner would answer the concern of her attention without every revealing thier own doubts . . . . more importantly it would show some grey matter in operation instead of mindlessly assuming that every one on the planet is exactly like they are. . . . . . in my opinion.
ahh my problem is, i express the things i remember vocally. no doubt i talk a lot of crap, but if i am asked about the sermon, i will need to get out a pen and paper to write it down... maybe i shld have done that and not be so lazy.
:rolleyes:


I'm too uptight to sketch in church anymore.
But here is a collection of my Sermon Doodles (http://thesmudge.com/shapeshifter/sketch/collage3.gif).
uptight? why so? and you doodles are pretty!! you shld post more of them in the "Visual Arts" subforum!!


I'm in college for graphic design and this area of study uses the same sort of ideas. There is always an information hierarchy. In order to recieve the entire message we need to understand the environment in which this hierarchy exists. Even within our own minds we have to overcome our own biased experiences in order to fully understand the viewpoint of another individual. Sometimes the thoughts of the listener overpower the thoughts of the speaker.
O__O i'm in an animation course, but haha, i... well can't understand that. apologies!! but i just know that in courses that require imagination and pitching of ideas, we have to be open to listen to others. oh wells something like that. is that what you are trying to say? :eyebrow:

I have been trying to read all the way through this but somehow I've lost track of the meaning of things. I have gone from end to the other on the spectrum of topics relating to the hyperactive mind. My biggest problem is that as my mind goes from one thought to the next to the next that I forget where I was in the beginning. I just know that when I started reading, I had something to contribute, but it's now long gone off in ozone some where.:D

I'm always reminding myself to write things down as my mind in hyperdrive spits them out. But in the shower, what''ll ya do? I've been thinking of water soluble markers ...write on the shower walls...get out of the shower and dry off...transcribe fast before the thought runs into the drain.

But seriously, I've been much better on meds. No more million lane highways in my brain. Now I have one VERY fast single lane highway...trying to keep up with that.

It's like driving on the NJ Turnpike one day, 8-10 lanes in each direction (before meds) to driving on the Autobahn the next day (on meds) without a speed limit.

NJTrout

... shower ...I use a voice activated dictaphone - great when you're anywhere alone.
And a wired microphone with switch - when I'm around people - so that I can whisper messages onto media.
My guy is a 1 GB - file, dictaphone, mp3 low power usage - with built in usb port dongle - about the size of 2 or 3 cigarettes.
It's an Olympus black thingy model WD-40 ... or something similar ... :-) ...

Voice ->- Text next stop.

... so yes - been there - done that - forgotten to wash.

"true story".

:-)

Sometimes I long for silence...don't you?

I have decreased the noise externally for the first time in years I can once again hear the shy . . . .my hearing is that sensitive The sky makes noise there is no such thing as pure silence unless you learn to make it in your own mind as some do in meditation. . . . I can make the sound stop in certain mental states but then the sound in replaced by impression that have no words . . . . the place of being does occur it is the closet to peace. . . .an inner peace I have ever experienced in this life. . .


My mind is never still I guess it never will be. Recently I lost my wiggles and I learned a new appreciation for what I have always felt was my “disorder” . . . . I have learned I was meant to move about if not in the physical then in my mind. . . . I have experienced “forced” stillness I do not wish to do so again.





I work with individuals with communication disorders so I tend to focus all my attention on the different ways they are communicating things to me through body language and eye contact taking into consideration the environment and the situational criteria.

Gary doesn’t have a communication disorder , some times he speak too well. When I encounter those who have trouble verbally speaking then I will employ other senses automatically. . . .this I know from experience It is all connection of the minds the body is only the means which is normally used (okay by most anyway). . . .but all that is communicated first occurs in the mind. . . . . all I need to do is engage mine mind and my body will react accordingly it was devised to do so.





Then attempting to model modes of clear and appropriate communication in response to this is something that is very, very challenging. Because I have a disability I know what it is like to be misunderstood and it's very frustrating.

I have more than one disability and my other “disability” is in written conversation. . . at this very moment I am translating then again most of external conversations are translating . . . I translate my thought into your words in a specific order that makes little sense to me (spell checkers and grammar programs) . . . when you read it you also translate based upon your own learning and experiences. . . .I don’t mind being misunderstood it happens all the time . . . .as long as the intention to understand is genuine.






There is always an information hierarchy.

Hmmm I am not sure I possess this . . . in my normal walk through life. If I smell a house on fire, hear a child scream perhaps but for me information “hits” me ready or not. I can foreground and back ground on medications before I began treating my ADD every sight, sound, smell, feeling, thought, invaded my brain I have no way of filtering the stimuli goes in it is processed without any hesitation, effort, or choice on my part. . . even on medication I can only foreground and back ground not eliminate. I wear head phones while writing I have learned ways of controlling my own external environment so I can pick up where the medication leaves off. . . . but for 29 years the external world literally imposed itself upon me every minute of every day I while I was awake. . . when I slept the internal took it’s turn. . . . .it is the way it has always been . . . .






But most importantly I can finally see the forest through the trees. Then look at the different kinds of trees in the forest and the bugs and the birds and then quite possible give you geographical location of the forest from this information.

I have always seen both the forest and the trees as well as the shy above ,the earth beneath. . . .and the creatures that creapeth within . . . . . it has always been this way for me . . . . I can’t imagine it being any differently but I know for some it is.





write on the shower walls...get out of the shower and dry off...transcribe fast before the thought runs into the drain.

Try a recorder with a thin water proof barrier between the device and the water . . .some these days come with voice activation . . was that tresses or forest ?




I use a voice activated dictaphone - great when you're anywhere alone.

Umm that would be SB. . . . . seen any good oceans lately?




so yes - been there - done that - forgotten to wash

I have forgotten to rinse . . . wash yes rinse and dry well when the soap begins to itch I remember it ! :p

:-)
... how about - can't remember if you've washed or not?
sometimes soon after the event.
And a great big yes to the 'itch' - unpleasant it is.
... just picked up kiddy - and get the message 'have a good weekend'
- geeze -
... it's Friday - and I didn't find out till today.
A whole wasted day of not feeling the Friday feeling.

... though all days seem the same these days.

Time, time, time ...
look what's become of thee ...?...

... yet another weird thing about ADDers - over the last couple of days I've been feeling the rage ... and over the last few days there have been many more posts on 'rage' - than there are usually.

I think I know what I'm saying.

I think I hear me - though sometimes, I must admit to not completely understanding whatever I'm explaining to myself.

And - I've been forgetting to take the meds I'm on - and strangely - even when I remember - I don't feel the urge to bother.

Geeze ...

... ADDer freaks - every last one of us.

But especially all of you guys :-)

:-)
... how about - can't remember if you've washed or not?
sometimes soon after the event.

... it's Friday - and I didn't find out till today.
A whole wasted day of not feeling the Friday feeling.

... though all days seem the same these days.
I do that a lot. Did I wash my hair in the shower? I honestly cannot remember 10 seconds after shutting the water off...so I turn the water back on and wash my hair...probably for the second or third time. Even on meds I still do stuff like that alot. Head to the store, forget the wallet, turn around, get wallet, head to the store. But wait, now where did I leave the shopping list? Turn around, get the list, head to the store.

Ahhh the realities of ADD.

Oh today is Friday?????? When did that happen?:confused:

NJTrout

...probably for the second or third time...... and that was going to be my example ... ... ...

"... it's Friday - and I didn't find out till today"

Hmmm!
I'm pretty sure that I didn't mean to write that.

Silly SB

:-)

Well the hair washing I can't help but remember for hours which is how long it takes to dry . . . shampoo has nice fresh frgerance. . . . .I have missed spots on my head I had to get back in and rise off.

yea the itch is a *itch!*

The worse is walking out of the shower and forgetting we have company :eek: . . . It is just Gary and I here most of the time and it is warm here in Texas. . . . :rolleyes:


Okay guys it is now Saturday . . . . I am normally off on Saturdays butit is supposed to rain Monday and Tuesday.

Sorry about the rage thing SB . . . . maybe because I have upped my dose that is causing you decrease yours :p . . . if I lower mine will you remember to take yours :D . . . . . I went up on my dose because I went into some sort of Christmas overwhelm brain fog and my mind went AOL. . . .sad thing is I haven't been in a store scene Thanksgiving. I am doing my shopping on-line or hand making stuff when I can find my way out of the *&^%$ing fog!

Gary doesn’t have a communication disorder , some times he speak too well. When I encounter those who have trouble verbally speaking then I will employ other senses automatically. . . .this I know from experience It is all connection of the minds the body is only the means which is normally used (okay by most anyway). . . .but all that is communicated first occurs in the mind. . . . . all I need to do is engage mine mind and my body will react accordingly it was devised to do so.
To be more clear, I wasn't implying that your partner had a communication disorder. I guess I was just thinking that when I do other things when people talk to me they stop talking or act indifferent towards me. So in a way I have a communication disorder. I am very shy I don't like to look people in the eye. Which is why working with others who have communication disorders is very challenging. It forces me to act a certain way. When someone is speaking slower or with a stutter I find it hard not to finish the words for them. Which is awful. Can you imagine someone just doing something for you because you didn't do it fast enough? I guess having a disability gives me that insight and I try to treat everyone the same. Because I know how it feels when someone just walks away from a conversation because it took you too long to make your point or you lost the point you were trying to make. I think that's an ADD thing too. "What way I saying?"

O__O i'm in an animation course, but haha, i... well can't understand that. apologies!! but i just know that in courses that require imagination and pitching of ideas, we have to be open to listen to others. oh wells something like that. is that what you are trying to say? :eyebrow:
I'm thinking more along the lines of pitching ideas to a client. Creative problem solving and the development of a particular aesthetic. I need to put myself into the shoes of the audience and create something with a viewer other than myself in mind. It forces me to think about how people look at things what draws the eye and holds it etc. I cannot always follow my every whim like I can when I paint. I often think of a creative project in terms of a hierarchy of goals. What's the most important thing that needs to be said and how do I say it?

geologists everywhere

olivine, peridot

green

blue green algae (first life)

stomatolites

geology ->- biology

first life

iron - special

olivine
->-
mg
fe
si
o

... only C missing.

3 phase transitions [wikipedia article on olivine]

1 ->-3,4,13[1']

phase transition of crystal forms of olivine are towards progressively more complex geometric shapes.

olivine ->- stomatolite

???

the emergent event from which life arose ...

...wouldn't that be a thing.

a blue green thing

a pretty blue green thing

yummy for your tummy (Nuev's healthy beverages),
and
a present for your mummy (Nueva's necklaces)

just hop down a layer of abstraction.

...wouldn't that be a thing.

-stomatolites-
blue-green algae (first life)
which 'chill' in the sea.

Too too too funny
Olivine as present in extraterrestrial form (that is) it exists offa' the Earth
{not a buncha' buggy eyed green guys Hell bent on eating Will Smith)

Olivine ->-
{
Mg
Fe

Si

O
}

... all of the ingredients for life

bar *one*

~carbon~

... ... ... but then along came a spider

Nature 313, 297 - 299 (24 January 1985); doi:10.1038/313297a0
Minor-element signature of relic olivine grains in deep-sea particles—a match with forsterites from C2 meteorites
Ian M. Steele*, Joseph V. Smith* & Donald E. Brownlee†
*Department of the Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago, Chicago, Illinois 60637, USA
†Department of Astronomy, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington 98195, USA

->- ->- ->-

Deep-sea particles (DSP) extracted magnetically from oceanic sediments are the products of aerodynamic heating and cooling of extraterrestrial materials1. Most DSP have bulk compositions and elemental ratios similar to CI and CM(C2) carbonaceous meteorites2 and some contain relic grains3 of Mg-rich olivine (forsterite).

magnesium ->- chloroplasts [eg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_in_biological_systems#Magnesium.2C_chlor oplasts_and_photosynthesis)]
iron ->- mitochondria [eg (http://www.elmhurst.edu/%7Echm/vchembook/596electransport.html)]

Olivine ->-
{
Mg
Fe
... ... ...

... that wriggled and giggled and wriggled insid'er

... until

... out popped

...life on earth...

olivine meets carbon lands on the sea surface - chills out - ascends the Universal law of Evolution - undergoes multiple emergent events ->-

~ADDers~

We are simply contextual.
Products of our time.

Can you imagine someone just doing something for you because you didn't do it fast enough?
janesays, I have so much trouble with this. Doing things for kids because they don't do it fast enough. I work with visually and hearing impaired kids and they have to learn how to do everything for themselves. The best thing to do and the hardest is to "not help."

SB UK,

I like your olivine ranting. You are a gem! Ha!

I finally got "Driven to Distraction," "Delivered from Distraction," and Dr. Amen's ADD book (can't recall the title). They are so helpful.

I am still waiting for my appt w/psychiatrist on Jan 8 and getting ducks in a row. Still need official diagnosis.

I am thrilled that this thread is still alive. Wow, it has meandered a lot. Fun, though. I am stresssed out over Christmas. I went to the gas station, the bank and the store, and I had to search high and low all three places for my debit card. And I had used it at the previous locations. I try to keep it in the same place, but sometimes I'm too distracted to take the time.

Bit of an increase in anxiety, and I find I am short tempered, although I don't display that except for facial expressions. But deaf kids really notice that. The 8 year old boy I work with is always turning up the ends of his mouth with his fingers to remind me to smile. I love that. :o

My sister has just started a Master's program in psychology or counseling. I told her about a month ago that I finally figured out what is wrong with me-- inatentive ADHD. Then she sent me like 5 different on-line questionaires for bipolar disorder. I finally explained what I feel the difference is and that I appreciated her concern, but I am certain I am not bipolar. She hasn't sent me an email or called me since then. What is it with families? I guess I will always just be "the loser" to my family. Oh, sorry, the "bi-polar, in-denial loser."

Whatever! It's ok, nothing I haven't been dealing with for 40 plus years.

Rock on, people!!! :cool:

... ranting ...
hrumph!!!

... :-) ...

... ADDer freaks - every last one of us.

But especially all of you guys :-)

I think the correct verbiage at this time would be ba-humbug!

Who you callin' bug eyed, anyhoo? :rolleyes:

Bugs are people too!!!! (not). :D :D :D

I was watching "America's Funniest Home videos" yesterdayand saw a priceless ADHD moment captured on film.

Two guys are fishing in a boat, one guy is carefully removing the hook from the fish so he can release it back into the lake.

He ever so gently removes the hook, drops the pliers he was using into the lake and puts the fish in the tool box. :rolleyes:

Can you imagine someone just doing something for you because you didn't do it fast enough? I guess having a disability gives me that insight and I try to treat everyone the same. Because I know how it feels when someone just walks away from a conversation because it took you too long to make your point or you lost the point you were trying to make. I think that's an ADD thing too. "What way I saying?"


So because you communicate differently and you know what it is like to have people be insensitive so you are able to understand what it is like to be different and are there for more sensitive to their feelings? Sounds like a disability turned into gift to me. Way to go.


Several years ago I had a hypoglycemia event my blood sugar got into the lower 50’s and I became confused. I remembered some things like a lot a dream. To some people I became physically combative while to other I was cooperative. Kind of strange reading a medical report on your nightmare but I do remember enough to know what I was reacting to. . . . . intent. . . . . body language.

Now I understand Alzheimer’s patent like never before. You get pushy they become combative because they feel threatened ; project the least bit hurried and they will resist because they feel pushed. The confusion seems to make them very sensitive to people’s reactions because they do not know what is happening or why so they go by your actions and are very sensitive to how they are approached. This is the only thing I have found hypoglycemia to be good for. . . . . but it is a good thing to know when working with people who have this condition. . . . well and diabetics also have hypoglycemia and I have gotten some of them to cooperate because I know what they are going through. Even though our condition are opposite I have found common ground. . . . and having to be careful about what is eaten and when what a PIA!

Hee hee !!
Yup !

Drinkin' a big ol' glass of that 'bluey-greeny' beverage, right now.
It tastes yummy blue-green, too. (0:
It's delicious, actually, once you expand your mind/senses, past the 'color' of what it 'should' taste like.


Ever see the movie remake of The Thomas Crown Affair ?
With Rene Russo ?
Her character in the film, gulps down a glass of a very 'similar' beverage (I believe), in the morning.




blue green algae



a blue green thing

a pretty blue green thing

yummy for your tummy (Nuev's healthy beverages),
and

SB,
I should've made sure, I wasn't simultaneously inhaling and drinkin', my blue-green mornin' drink...

Thanks for the laugh !!! (now that I can laugh, once I stopped choking) :D


... all of the ingredients for life

bar *one*

~carbon~

... ... ... but then along came a spider

Don't most *beings* eventually react combatitively, (whether physically or emotionally) when they perceive 'threatening' behavior, being 'pushed' upon them ? ;)

You get pushy they become combative because they feel threatened

Don't most *beings* eventually react combatitively, (whether physically or emotionally) when they perceive 'threatening' behavior, being 'pushed' upon them ?

Yea I will even become difficult and even have a type of combative reaction when I am perfectly alert and aware of my surroundings.

I did not know exactly what people with dementia were reacting to before my hypoglycemia experience. . . . Seeing things from a confused point of view allowed me to recognize what people with dementia were reacting to. . . a combination of "chi" body language with an extra sensitivity to tone of voice. They will pick up on minute things such as speed (they can't process as fast) tone pitch. . . . .I look back upon my episode I remember the "feelings" rather like an energy produced by the person. . . . I reacted not to what they said or didi but more like I reacted to what it felt like to be in their presence (closest thing I can come to describing)

Don't most *beings* eventually react ... when they perceive 'threatening' behavior, being 'pushed' upon them?I wonder - ?why? do we want to be free?
Freedom from oppression - freedom to roam.

We can be incarcerated physically - in gaol ... or mentally ...
... ... ... we *need* to understand the idea of freedom, through the windows of windmills of mind.

Thomas Jefferson famously stated ... (http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/tj3.html) "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

Thomas Jefferson (a good guy) squared up to face, hoping to vanquish ... an abstract concept 'tyranny over the mind of man'; he saw it.
Actually ...
we can ~all~ see it.

... freedom from tyranny of mind ... ain't that a thought ... and there it is sitting quietly in the corner watching as we form hierarchical physical structures.

The boss - and the vice-boss, and the boss-in-waiting and the boss on a Tuesday ... and the ~oh my gosh~ ...
... *imagine* the mark of intelligence ->- nourishment of the logical hierarchical structure of mind ... physical hierarchies ->- jejune ... an evolutionary legacy from our days in monkey suits.

The 'All~I~need' series served to help me to realise that all we need is not much.
A useful first step in ... freedom from tyranny of mind ... is escaping the propaganda which scares us into a life of worship of the faeces of the financial Institutions.

I relish the thought of one day playing my part in disembowelling the organizations which thrive on perpetuation of our current culture of fear.
These are the very organizations which are exerting 'tyranny of mind' ... by somehow and seemingly effectively convincing us that we have needs which must be satisfied by worshipping their stench.

Thankfully though ... well ...
ADDers
physical structure
deprecated
logical structure
evolved

... the bank teller's being told ... that his money ain't no good - not 'round these parts.

And right there - as we sit at the interface between deprecation, defecation evanescence ... evolution ... I believe we also gaze out upon the disordered state which we feel - out of time ... Ana chronistic's unborn child ... not less than grand mother ... but more so.

interface between deprecation, defecation evanescence ... evolution

Heck of an interface don't ya think?

... aye!

We can be incarcerated physically - in gaol ... or mentally ...
... ... ... we *need* to understand the idea of freedom, through the windows of windmills of mind

To stand a top of a green mountain top with the wind at our faces blowing gently into that which lies beyond this point in time.

Beneath us only ground above us only sky. . . . John Lennon.

... an interface into a more stable model of reality which is happy to release outmoded notions of 'good' and 'bad' and to introduce morality into their place - a pure morality which sees right or wrong without taint from the older interpretations of 'good' and 'bad'.

Since the older interpretation of 'good' or 'bad' was that of the individual being 'good' conditional on another individual being 'bad' ...
... the older definition was flawed because it could not permit a society in which all were good ... and of course the reason for the error ... found within 'evolutionary psychology' ...

... an intense perversion of the objective concepts of 'good' and 'bad' into the twisted subjective rationale for permitting the weaknesses of the indivdual to be justified under the aegis of their own personal, subjective, biased, twisted (and of course) false ~gods~.

I do believe some things are bad like stealing, hurting others, and lieing.

However individual differences that do not cause harm to others should be seen as just that differences.

Inforced conformity inspires rebellion and segretation.

Segretation being a very bad thing unless we are talking murders, child harmers, and those who violate anothers rights to be free from harm.