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Neuronic
01-20-07, 06:30 PM
If you take ADHD medication and have it it slows your thoughts down. If you don't it speeds your brain up. Atleast that's what I've heard. SO if you take a stimulant med like Ritalin or Adderall could it have a trippy or psychedllic effects on your if you're not an ADHD endurer?

WesleyT
01-20-07, 07:42 PM
it will have the same effect as speed, altough ritalin hangs between cocaine and speed

and you need lots of it :p

~boots~
01-20-07, 07:48 PM
If you take ADHD medication and have it it slows your thoughts down. If you don't it speeds your brain up. Atleast that's what I've heard. SO if you take a stimulant med like Ritalin or Adderall could it have a trippy or psychedllic effects on your if you're not an ADHD endurer?a lot of ADD'ers ..mainly innatentive, need medication to speed things up a bit too..It's not that cut and dry...the same medication has opposite results on different people :-)

Crazy~Feet
01-20-07, 07:53 PM
a lot of ADD'ers ..mainly innatentive, need medication to speed things up a bit too..It's not that cut and dry...the same medication has opposite results on different people :-)Well we inattentives do tend to have a great deal of fast and distracting thoughts, what we need is to have that slower and our butts to be faster getting off the sofa :D.

HighFunctioning
01-20-07, 08:14 PM
Speaking in general, it's more about having "control" of thoughts. Some people think may think fast, and some not quite so, but it's not about slowing down the thoughts or speeding them up (though the inattentive types like myself do have a use for such during the slow times), it's about having control of what goes on inside, and being able to sustain it for a period of time. You can be in control and still be fast or slow, and be out of control and still be fast or slow.

mcovey
01-20-07, 09:01 PM
If you have ADHD and take a high dose of stimulants you'll feel the same effect as anyone else - strung out, alert and very fast/hyper feeling.

Someone with ADHD only doesn't get that because an appropriate dose satisfies the brain's need for stimulation. Past the point where it's satisfied, normal effects take over.

it wouldn't be trippy or psychedelic, stimulants aren't hallucinogens.

sconard82
01-20-07, 10:05 PM
Amphetamines and other stimulants can cause schizophrenia in large doses, though.

Michiko74
01-20-07, 10:08 PM
I honestly don't know what effects my medication (dexedrine and strattera) would have on people without ADD, but as a poster above me mentioned, it's probably not that cut and dry. I suppose my medication 'speeds' things up, but it makes things come out easier too.

sloppitty-sue
01-21-07, 10:44 PM
I've read (I think it was an article by Hallowell or Ratey) that ALL PEOPLE experience improved concentration/alertness on stimulant medications and that how a person reacts on a stimulant is NOT an indication that they have ADHD.

Ferr REAL - hey!!

Matt S.
01-22-07, 11:37 AM
I took too much ritalin once in high school to see if it'd have the same effect on me (i am hyper as they come) 200-300 mg and I sat around awake for two days obsessing... like OCD in a pill

Neuronic
01-22-07, 01:51 PM
If you have ADHD and take a high dose of stimulants you'll feel the same effect as anyone else - strung out, alert and very fast/hyper feeling.

Someone with ADHD only doesn't get that because an appropriate dose satisfies the brain's need for stimulation. Past the point where it's satisfied, normal effects take over.

it wouldn't be trippy or psychedelic, stimulants aren't hallucinogens.
Trips and psychedellic stuff are cused by Serotonin right? ADHD medicine works on Serotonin right?

ADizzyGirl
01-22-07, 03:36 PM
Serotonin does not cause hallucinations. It's just a neurotransmitter.

Many synthetic and natural molecules can have an effect on 5-HT (serotonin) receptors. The two major classes of hallucinogens (indoleamines and phenethylamines) have a common partial-agonistic action on 5-HT2a receptors in particular, but this does not mean that every molecule acting upon 5-HT receptors will cause hallucinations.

And I know nothing about serotonin, this was just five minutes of online research. I'd be completely lost without the Internet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed - type in 5-HT receptors and go to town. Information is your friend.

Neuronic
01-24-07, 03:18 PM
SO what causes you to naturally hallucinate?

melv
01-24-07, 03:30 PM
SO what causes you to naturally hallucinate?
correct me if im wrong, but i believe severe sleep deprivation (the torture form) and starvation will do that?

sconard82
01-24-07, 04:19 PM
Not sure what causes hallucinations, but there is a theory that excess dopamine causes schizophrenia, which explains why amphetamines can cause symptoms of it.

nzkiwi
01-25-07, 12:37 AM
Correct, adhd isn't diagnosed after a successful stimulant trial, but rather from a detailed evaluation of patient history, testing, etc.

Ritalin and other stimulants may help non-adhders concentrate for longer periods of time. This could be a benefit or a burden depending on the circumstances.

Stimulants can create ocd like behaviors.