Last night I gave my GF a quick second-day-on-the-meds "briefing", and I happened to mention that I started participating on this forum.

She didn't quite understand why I needed to hang around here, not to mention why I actually read other peoples' problems and provide my thoughts on ADD-related topics. Basically, she thinks it's a complete waste of time and counter-productive.

Does your significant other know you're here? Do your friends?

yes and yes
My husband my not understand alot of other things about me but he understands the Forums

I have had my wife read certain posts that I can relate to. I am hoping it will help her understand me better. She has bee receptive but seems to think that I am obsessing about my ADHD too much. She hasn't really shown any interest in learning more about ADHD on her own because she doesn't really think that I have a debilitating problem. She has gotten used to me and seems to accept me as I am.

mu husband knows that I participate on the forums but he does not totally understand my need to have the forums, or my friends that I have made on the forums, in my life

Mine knows...and understands...but since he doesn't feel the need to get help...doesn't quite grasp the signifigance of needing support??? He doesn't say much unless he feels neglected..when I am here for long periods of time. However, part of my dealing with my ADD & BPD issues..is helping other's along the way!

I'm not currently involved with anyone, but I'm sure my ex would understand, as they have psychiatric conditions they are in online communities for as well. My mother (who I still live with; I'm still in school, and housing in my city is insanely expensive) is tolerant of what I've told her in the past about the ADD Forums. She's got her own online life (although entirely based around mutual interests), and she knows that the internet is significant enough to me that EVERY important issue or interest in my life eventually has an online component. Also, she knows that I've picked up interesting information here that I've told her about; stuff that has made my past behaviour more clear for her as a mother. (Actually, this is similar with my ex; we've talked about how my undiagnosed ADHD affected our relationship.)

Has your girlfriend never needed support for some issue? If she has, has she not gotten it from an online community?

If she's needed support before, then maybe you can get her to understand by comparing your experiences.

If she hasn't, or didn't involve herself in online support for some reason, perhaps you could give her a list of reasons why?

Personally, I'd say that online communities:

Generally:

-Allow you to access a wider range of experiences and information than local support communities - information that may be useful to you in improving your approach to your own life, and your own ways of managing your ADHD symptoms.

[--> If your GF doesn't seem to understand this much, you have a real block of communication on this subject. You might try expressing to her that the very reason you sought a diagnosis in the first place is that ADHD was not something you could handle without some outside guidance, and these forums are just more of the same.]

-Allow people to express themselves more candidly because they do not have to say anything out loud, or in front of a group. This means online groups may be more emotionally cathartic for some people.

-Allow people to feel that they're "paying it forward" by helping others in the same community that have helped them. There's not a lot like helping someone ELSE with the same problems that you know you have STRUGGLED with so intensely.

Everyone likes that warm, fuzzy, feel-good feeling that comes from helping others, but there's helping people in a more general, impersonal way...and there's helping people in a way that feels very meaningful and tangible. If you know that ADHD can cripple someone's life, and you know that advice from people in forums like these have helped YOU, then you know you may do the same for others. And that's deeply satisfying.

Specific to ADHD:

-Allow ADHD people to just...talk about ADHD! I'm sure most, if not all, ADHD people who end up at a place like this are obsessed with it, like only an ADDer can be obsessed. :rolleyes: It's a place to talk with other people who have the same obsession, just like any other interest.

-Allow many people to access many different "conversations" at once - unlike groups which meet face-to-face, which are likely to be restricted to one group topic at once, online formats are more "ADD-friendly."

-Archive things we've said! At least for a reasonable length of time; given our issues with spacing out, getting distracted, forgetting what we've heard, etc., it's VERY helpful to have all this information available to us on a semi-permanent basis. With a support group that meets face-to-face, any amount of information is potentially lost, and while you might ask for the same stories and information again, it is certainly not as conveniently accessible.

-Spread the ADHD-support lurve. LOL. Regarding the last point under "generally" - I'm on various support forums for various issues, and while I like helping out on all of them, the ADHD ones are the ones that I love the most. I do not get a sense of true community love and empathy from any other forums like the one that I get from ADD-related forums. If I had to explain to anyone why I spent ANY amount of time on a forum like this, I'd have to say it's because people here actually care.

Hope that helps some. Naturally. ;)

Everybody who knows me beyond a passing "hello" knows about my time spent here.

I had the exact same reaction from my girlfriend. She thinks it's weird that I can go online and talk to complete strangers.

My wifes more of an internet geek than I am. She showed me this forum in the first place. She's more concerned about the time I spend on golf forums (I run a golf forum too).

Yes.
I'm my significant other. (0:

Yes.
I'm my significant other. (0:

:eyebrow: Nova....???? LMAO....good for you girl :D

Hahaha !
Got sick of saying I'm divorced/single.

So that's my new status, lol !

Yes.
I'm my significant other. (0:
:D :D :D Oh Nova that is sooo funny. That perked me up a bit because I'm sort of struggling with this problem right now with my husband.

This'll make you laugh more, Swede.

Watch the host/ess face, when you go to a restaurant alone, and they ask 'How many will be dining ?'

And you say with a straight 'face'- 'I'll be joining myself for dinner tonight'.

I have told DH that I read stuff on message boards in the past. But he does not know I particapate.

In the past he has not shown support in any type of medical issues. Be it a cold to having a hystorectomy. He acts very irratated with me. Almost like "buck up theres nothing wrong with you".

DH was very supportive when my son was dx for add. But when it came to me having ADD DH has a totally diffrent attuide. With me he said I don't want to hear about it just fix it.

Sorry - I ended up babbeling. The just of it all is that this is my place that makes me feel accepted and normal and I don't want him to ruin it.

hubby knows, friends don't :-)
I don't even tell people I have ADHD, so mot much point telling them about the forums :-)

BTW, I couldn't live without it LOL (the forum that is)

My husband always says"You on with your ADD buddies again?"He says I am on here more than I am Myspace. Wow!:o I am on here a lot! I tell him it is really helping me with my problems. I feel like I posted every thread myself, I can relate to so much on here. He probably thinks I am obsessed too,but since I am not in couseling for it this is my only way of helping me through.

My wife knows I'm on here.
Along with the Saturn forum, the MiamiVice.org forum, Weekend Discussion Groups (Bible Prophecy forum), Internet Movie Database forum, and I think that's it. LOL
I'm happy to be on here, because back when I was a kid (in the 70's), there wasn't a community of ADDers. There wasn't all of the information we have today. And there wasn't a wide range of medications to be on (I'm not on any by choice, due to being on other meds).
This is a wonderful website, and I'm so happy to be a part of it.
It's an invaluable tool for those of us with ADD, and those who live with an
ADDer.
Thanks to the site admin for keeping this running. :D
Sorry to get so sappy, but I really do mean it.
BTW, my wife is on Second Life, and on it almost all the time she's not working.
So she doesn't really care what I do.

Has your girlfriend never needed support for some issue? If she has, has she not gotten it from an online community?Wow, what a long reply. Thanks for taking the time :)

Yes, she did need support for various issues. She's not really the type to seek support from an online community (which is a shame, IMO).

If she hasn't, or didn't involve herself in online support for some reason, perhaps you could give her a list of reasons why?Yep, did that. She still thinks we're all a bunch of bored geeks with nothing better to do ;)

...If your GF doesn't seem to understand this much, you have a real block of communication on this subject.We definitely have that when it comes to my ADD feature. I think it all boils down to the fact that she doesn't feel comfortable having a man who has serious medical conditions.

You might try expressing to her that the very reason you sought a diagnosis in the first place is that ADHD was not something you could handle without some outside guidance, and these forums are just more of the same.It's not easy to do when she already thinks ADD does not really exist and is simply our excuse to being lazy.

Allow people to feel that they're "paying it forward" by helping others in the same community that have helped them. There's not a lot like helping someone ELSE with the same problems that you know you have STRUGGLED with so intensely.You're absolutely right!

Allow ADHD people to just...talk about ADHD! I'm sure most, if not all, ADHD people who end up at a place like this are obsessed with it, like only an ADDer can be obsessed. :rolleyes: It's a place to talk with other people who have the same obsession, just like any other interest.At least for me, this is one of the main reasons why I'm here. Offline, I don't have a single person in my life whom I can talk to about this. Weird, isn't it? I just don't have many friends (always been like that..) and my GF is obviously out of the question. It's very sad to me, actually... Even my siblings (who are all 17-21) don't think I have it and that I'm making up excuses. What the hell is wrong with people?

Archive things we've said! At least for a reasonable length of time; given our issues with spacing out, getting distracted, forgetting what we've heard, etc.,Right, and that's why I keep returning to my thread in the Adderall sub-forum. I feel like it's mine.. Like I can treat it like an open journal that anyone can read and make comments. And being that my memory sucks, it's a good way to keep track of my progress.

Hope that helps some. Naturally. ;):) It did. Thanks a bunch!

Okay that previous reply looks funny with all that quoted text.. hehe

Actually, today my GF had a pretty bad outburst. At the heat of the moment she said she was tired of me complaining all the time (I don't really do that) and that I need to "get serious about our lives" and "get over this ADD crap".

Who the hell says that to their partner in life for the past 4 years?

Am I crazy for keeping up with this?

I can see her side, too, but come on... Sure, she wants us to "move on" to the next stage in life and all that, but still.. I hate it.

Gary had a fit at first but he got over it. . .he used to throw a fit about ADHD but mostly when I accuse him of having it. . . . . .Mr. babble bounce bounce babble. . . .

I think my dyslexia is more confusing to him than my ADHD. but I don't have to ask him how to spell ADHD so spell checkers will be able to guess what it is I am trying to write.. . . . . .


He used to have some problems with it but like I said HE had problems. . . .HE got over them. . . . actually he was more worried about me having some sort of on-line romance so I let him read some of the threads. . . . of coarse he picked some of the more scientific threads When he got done reading Barbyma, SB, and Stabile Gary wanted to know if this was English. . . . :p

Gary even tried to participate in some forums of his own but found they just weren't his thing. To him this is wasting time but it is my time to waste It isn't his job to manage my every moment nor is it his job to understand my every nuance. . . I don't get how he can spend hours on e-bay and spend thousands of dollars over a 2.5 year period of time on tractor parts he has done nothing with but stack in various places. I do not understand how my frig runs; I am not too keen on how the computer takes 1 / 0 combos and make things happen either. . . . . so understanding is obviously not a requirement for things to be just as they are supposed to be. :cool:


Gary does get annoyed when I stay up too late on here and drag butt at work slowing down progress which is a legit complaint. . . .that doesn't happen often guilt in the hyper active ADDer causes hyperness. . . . :D

When he feels "neglected" he gets between me and the screen , swearing his refusal to move until he gets some "attention". . . . I normally relent as long as this does not become a habit. ;)

My friends- some know, some do not, Family well a few have tagged along and are now members them selves.




Actually, today my GF had a pretty bad outburst. At the heat of the moment she said she was tired of me complaining all the time (I don't really do that) and that I need to "get serious about our lives" and "get over this ADD crap".

My medicated response to the above would have been along the lines of

"Gee honey your loving support is so over whelming"





my non-medicated response is not post-able on a family friendly forum. . . . :foot:




New ADD diagnosis commonly has a hyper focus phase. . . . new ADDF use does the same thing. . . .most members over a few months time begin acquire more of a balance. . . . of the few members who do not discover balance in their ADDF time become moderators- :p

Gary’s most recent worry was when I added a myspace account, He worried when I opened my yahoo 360 account . . . .He got over it

He accuses me of looking fo rother men!

My response has remained the same. . . .

"Why would I want another man? . . . .You must think I am nuts!. . . . Why would I want to have two people annoying the crud out of me! Frankly one man is enough for me, even that gets to be too many from time to time.. . . . right now being a perfect example! Are you getting the hint yet? "

I am as subtle as a train wreck I know :o but Gary needs a train wreck because he doesn’t get hints at all. Funny I don’t really worry about where he goes on-line. I have administrative access to his computer and I could access his browser activity from my computer if I wanted to I un-muck his computer when he freaks it out or pushes the worng botton. His brother the computer geek enjoys my presence in Gary's life = fewer late nite phone call for him. I don’t even bother looking to see where he goes unless the fire wall freaks out. Why?

If I can trust him he needs to trust me, He does stuff I do not understand all the time and I manage to accept him the way he is. I expect the same in return or else I turn into psycho hyper _itch. . . . .he does have choices as to which of my moods he gets to accept as beyond his control. :rolleyes:

I think our significant others are concerned we are going to use the diagnosis as an excuse. This is a great place for support, and you get to interact with people who have a lot in common. Before the internet/s, this was not the case.

I think our significant others are concerned we are going to use the diagnosis as an excuse.

One man's reason could be seen by another as an excuse, There is no guarantee that both individuals are going to define the difference between the two exactly the same. To believe Gary sees this defining line the exact same way I do would be illogical. When adults have problems adults listen to each other when they are done yelling like idiots.

The words “get over this ADD crap and get on with us” sounds like a person who doesn’t even want to be bothered with a partners problems or concern. Gary has several issues that concern him that seem silly to me; however as his partner it is not my job to define important for Gary. My job is to accept and respect his feelings weather I understand them ort not.

If he yelled at me like that he would get what he asked for but not necessarily get what he wanted.

Bottom line:

If I can't use my ADD as an excuse for bad behavior other people do not have a right to use my ADD as an excuse for thier bad behavior.

I did see an excellent point from your post ADDers still haven't cornered the market on impulsive words / behaviors lacking forethought as to how they will effect others. . .

Don't have a significant other, but I don't think my ex would really have any issues with my being on a board like this.

I think anyone close to us, not just significant others, would have problems with their loved ones being so open and 'intimate' (I use the word loosely here) with others. I mean, in a way we are kind of a cool club right? Naturally if our loved ones can't really see that forums like this are an important support system and something we need to share frustrations and joys that are specific to ADD.

Meadd, my wife doesn't worry about me being online with other women.
I talk to a few people on each forum, but she's not worried.
No one else would put up with me, or her, so we are stuck!
And WE know that ADD isn't something you just "get over."
I have learned to deal with mine without meds, but I still have it.
I know what works for me and I use these methods daily.
The methods don't keep me from experiencing the effects of ADD, but they help me deal with it and get through the day.

I think anyone close to us, not just significant others, would have problems with their loved ones being so open and 'intimate' (I use the word loosely here) with others. You nailed it! That's what surprised her the most.. how come I share things here that I wouldn't with her. She always says I'm shut down whenever we talk about my emotions, so it's weird to her that I develop this "second life" online.

I can honestly say that NO one in my life knows I am on the forums here. In some cases it has just never came up, and others don't need to know.

Weird, guess I never thought of it like that!

Yes mine does, and he is totaly supportive, and happy that I have a place to learn about ADD from others, as well as have people who understand me.................as long as they are women, anytime I get a private message from a guy then all hell breaks loose.

No one knows, it's a part of my life I am keeping strictly in the closet. At least for now. Because people will say, "You're normal, why are you looking at all these sites?"

get a private message from a guy then all hell breaks loose.

Hmm a tad insecure. . .may be he doesn’t understand what is going on . Gary was a real PIA with this jealously in the beginning . . . it is insecurity. Because of my moderating duties I get PMs from all sorts of people . . .that is the way it is supposed to be I volunteered to help people here without regard to members gender should I even know what it is. Shortly after first took the position Gary found out I received PMs from male members. . . the user name made it obvious. . . Gary pitched one fit. The fact that Gary and I met on-line may help so I kind of understood to an extent. . . there were no deep dark secrets in my PM so I let him read what he was getting so excited about. . .

Oh the PMs I was receiving from men here . .. One male was answering a computer question I had asked – this male is younger than my children. ,The other male who was older was discussing viruses and the human brain kind of grossed Gary out when I explained the medical jargon parts. . ., a third male asked a medication question,{Gary’s brother will call me and ask those} the last male of unknown age was responding a notification I sent him about moving his thread to another section. . . . . . . . wow such hot romantic going on here. . . these PMs from males were intermixed with ones I received from females . . this has been a long time ago. . . . . and Gary has a short attention span. . . . he has long forget he was ever interested. . .His insecurity drastically decline once he understood what this site was all about. . . . He knows I have male friends here . .. . but I am open about it I don’t have any thing to hide from him. . . .


I don't sensor who he talks to on-line, he will buy tractor parts from females as quickly as he will males. . . he will discuss vintage tractors with any one who will listen this is including but not limited to the dog.

ADDers some times people do not understand how they help create the very situation they are complaining so much about

The reader’s Digest version . . . . .

It's not easy to do when she already thinks ADD does not really exist and is simply our excuse to being lazy.

{wtfry- doesn’t she know some of us are hyperactive}

We definitely have that when it comes to my ADD feature.

At least for me, this is one of the main reasons why I'm here. Offline, I don't have a single person in my life whom I can talk to about this. Weird, isn't it? I just don't have many friends (always been like that..) and my GF is obviously out of the question. It's very sad to me, actually



Actually, today my GF had a pretty bad outburst. At the heat of the moment she said she was tired of me complaining all the time (I don't really do that) and that I need to "get serious about our lives" and "get over this ADD crap".

review the above quotes . . . .. .

Now

You nailed it! That's what surprised her the most.. how come I share things here that I wouldn't with her. She always says I'm shut down whenever we talk about my emotions, so it's weird to her that I develop this "second life" online.

I think first four post of your indicate you tried to share this with her and she wasn't interested in being supportive. . . . so you sought support else where in a healthy productive fashion. You are not looking at porn sites or chatting up dates with other women. you aren't getting drunk and beating her, you aren’t running around with your buddies . . . . . . . you are seeking support for a problem she is not interested in . . . .wtf is so hard for her to understand.

Gary like to talk tractors, I try to care and patiently listen some times I even have a question or two . . . no matter how hard I try I simply can not care about vintage tractors like Gary does. . . so when he discusses these things with some one else I am not surprised. . . actually I am normally relieved. . . because I can get back to my ADD stuff that Gary isn't interested in.

No matter how hard he tries he just can't seem to care as much about ADD as I do - he has discovered that much of the insecurity produced by my participation in this forum was due to the fact Gary could not provide the support I got here. Well duh there are like 10,000 members here. . . . I would never expect him to. I simply want him to accept my ADD as being a part of me. . . the fascination of vintage tractors is a part of Gary . . . . I accept that . I also know I can't provide the hours of tractor discussion that a dozen tractor enthusiast can but only an idiot would expect me to. Your girl friend is upset because she is wrong and she knows it some where deep down inside. . . we are providing support for a part of you she isn’t even willing to accept . . . her refusal to even accept your ADD is wrong (IMHO). . . well only she can fix that.

A couple doesn’t have to share every interest. . . There are a lot of couples who have separate interest and still love each other. . . . Gary is actually relieved that you are getting to hear about my ADD stuff because he doesn't have to. . . freeing him to watch Roger Rabbit for the tenth time. . . .


Gary and I had some rough spots and I first landed here due to some problems we were having. . . I wanted to enjoy conversation and Gary couldn’t hear the TV over me talking. . . . so I found some one else to talk to. When this forum became a regular part of my life Gary had a problem with it.

Like you my participation began as a compromise , it was a way for me to receive the people support I needed because Gary was more interested in watching TV. I needed support, I had a problem it was my responsibility to fix my problem and I do so in a healthy productive way. . . I don’t run around, I do not get drunk and beat Gary up, I am not looking for a date or viewing porn . . . . . .He didn’t want to be bothered with discussions or socilizing he wanted TV. So I accepted this and found a productive solution of my own. . . he wasn’t going to bully me into giving it up . .. he wasn’t backing me into a corner, ultimatums were not an option . . . he doesn’t control me . . . . he can accept my healthy solution or he could get ****ed.

I told him "There is the door don’t let it hit you in the hinny on your way out.You want to discuss a problem ,compromize or make a request fine I am all ears but commands, insults and accusations I will not take. . . . . it ain't that kind of party any more.


I am very open and addressed his insecurities as I explained in the post above. An emotional bully will try to cut you off from sources of support I learned it from this very interesting thread (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15338),

A partial of this excellent post

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Some things that are worth thinking about when you're wondering "Am I being abused?" include:
• Did she embarass or humiliate you in front of other people, including your friends or family?
• Did she insist that anything you wanted for yourself was selfish and/or wrong?
• Did she withhold affection to "punish" you for any violations of her rules?
• Did she intimidate you in any way?
• Did she threaten you, or threaten to harm herself or anyone else, if/when you left?
• Did she force you to ask her for money, or take your money away from you? Did she have control of the family finances, so you didn't even know what or when money was being spent?
• Did she prevent you from taking a job you wanted, or going to school? Did she force you, either directly or through manipulation, to quit a job you had?
• Did she make jokes about her treatment of you, insist that she never did anything to hurt you, or blame you for her behavior?
• Did she treat you as if you were her servant?
• Did she ever make you do things you felt were wrong or illegal?
• Did she ever belittle your beliefs, or tell you that your faith is wrong?
• Did she make you leave social gatherings, or restrict your contact with your friends or family?
• Did she make you feel afraid, or like you needed to be "careful" around her?
• Did she make you feel guilty or ashamed about yourself, your feelings, your beliefs, or anything else that makes you a unique individual?
Any one of these is a sign of abuse. Only you can decide how many it takes to add up to proof that you were abused.
***End Quote


I didn’t know some of the things Gary treid were a form of bullying or emotional abuse. Once I had a list of stuff that ain’t right then I knew what not to tolerate any more. I knew when I began drawing boundaries I could loose him. I would rather live alone than live being pushed around simply because I can’t see the defining line. . . . I read this a year ago . . . it has not been easy but Gary is a better man. It is like he needed to know the boundaries . . . believe it or not he still watches TV and I do the forums some blogs but we make time for each other despite our different activates and interest. . . the best part is I feel more loved by him . . ..


Okay gotta go annoy some folk in private debates. . . I hope this helps. Sorry so long.

I must really be blessed then.
My wife doesn't care what I do.
As long as I say hi to her on occasion, and spend time with her a little bit each day (not long), she's fine.
I guess my spouse isn't so bad.
She just loses things and gets confused, yet swears she doesn't have ADD.

I'm not married but my brother and mother are aware of the fact that I use addforums...

ADDer, a diagnosis affects more people than just the patient. Perhaps your diagnosis has been the catalyst in bringing other relationship issues to a head?

ADDer, a diagnosis affects more people than just the patient. Perhaps your diagnosis has been the catalyst in bringing other relationship issues to a head?It may be so.

In any way, she is out of town for the next 10 days. I'm looking forward to this alone time so that I can judge any Adderall-related changes without interruptions.

I think you're right. If we are on here sharing all of our intimate secrets with others, I could understand a spouse getting annoyed. If my girlfriend was making friends with other guys on the internet, I would get mad too.

In defense of this forum, most of the members here are mature, honest, and looking for genuine support.

Great points....
I have found that I spend more time on this site than when I first joined.
There is so much I didn't know about ADD, even though I've had it since I was a kid (early 70's).
As for my spouse, all she hears is my typing.
As long as I don't have slumber parties with all my internet friends, she really doesn't care! :D

My H is afraid that one of you guys will steal my identity LOL:D

My wife thinks I'm disfunctional to begin with and even though I've told her about this forum, I doubt she would admit that I did. She probably thinks all people with ADHD are disfuntional so this forum is a waste of time. I stopped saying anything about ADD FORUMS.

As long as I don't have slumber parties with all my internet friends, she really doesn't care!

LOL - hey the mess a bunch of ADDers at a slumber party would make would probably suck to clean.



In any way, she is out of town for the next 10 days. I'm looking forward to this alone time so that I can judge any Adderall-related changes without interruptions.


Enjoy!


I think you're right. If we are on here sharing all of our intimate secrets with others,

I don't see myself as sharing "intimate secrets" here. I discuss my experiences being ADHD, I share those experiences with Gary first hand as do most of you share your ADD with those whom you live with and/or work around.

In my 2+ years here I have yet to discuss any of my fantasies fetishes or fantasies about fetishes; further more, I do not see this as a possible future event to concern myself with.

Last night I gave my GF a quick second-day-on-the-meds "briefing", and I happened to mention that I started participating on this forum.

She didn't quite understand why I needed to hang around here, not to mention why I actually read other peoples' problems and provide my thoughts on ADD-related topics. Basically, she thinks it's a complete waste of time and counter-productive.

Does your significant other know you're here? Do your friends?My husband feels pertty much the same as your girlfriend about the forums. I do tend to spend too much time here, but I also find it very helpful, so I'll be around. Each person has to make their own decisions, but it is important to keep things in balance -- not always easy for an ADDer. Cyber life shouldn't take the place of real world people and living.

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