The existing Attention DD title conveys no impression of the most central (and costly) component of the condition - social impairment.

Yes, ADD gives a good functional indication of the condition - disabling as it does, executive functioning (centred in the frontal lobes) and consciousness/attention.

The social deficit is after all, what confers the degree of relationship and professional dysfunction that ADDers must endure.

Your comments appreciated.

Not every one with ADD experiences social dysfunctions, so this would not necessarily be any more accurate than the present "label"

I see ADD as being boredom aversion.

Firstly, can I just say that a 'disorder' is defined as a disturbance to normal functioning of mind or body.

Secondly, in reality there is no 'normal' person. The concept of 'normal' is the medical and sociologist's unit of measurement.

Thirdly, the problem that ADDers seem to have is not an inability to give their attention or focus on things but a difficulty in being attentive. This is IMO not a 'deficit' or 'lack of' of attention at all and therefore I believe that the term 'attention deficit' does not accurately describe ADDers. In addition a common ADD trait is 'hyperfocusing' - ie paying lots of attention!

Society is set up to cater for the 'norm'. Therefore anyone who has a 'disorder', depending on the degree of their disorder, coping mechanisms, their environment etc, will not be as able to do what 'norms' do. IMO society hinders the social functioning of anyone with a 'disorder' and not the other way round. Thankfully, society recognises that those people whose disorders are extreme need special assistance.

IMO society is impaired not the 'disordered'.

meadd823 - so now I'm just BAD (boredom aversion disorder)> LOL.

SDD
ADD
BAD

can't pay A because we're B'd
can't do nonADD S activities because we find them B'ing.

Sure from the nonADD perspective, SDD, but through the eyes of ADD, not SDD - with those who seek to call us SD - actually SD
- who is right? - ADDers - on the purely objective reason that boredom results from another mechanism.
Those who're more easily bored in this scenario - are pushing past the chaff to uncover the wheat.

A picture.
Does a goldfish ever get bored?
no
Do humans get bored?
yes

... now - throw in the observation that boredom with the same old will push us into a search for something better - and we see ADD for what it is.

Stimulation like evolution - increases as we ascend.
One cannot match the stimulation of higher 'activities' with lower -

an example

ADD thinking done at max g
trounces all-comers

view out the window, running, eating

higher (done proper-like :-) ) trounces lower
just gotta' realise and then do.

... we're BADADDes not SaDDADDes - the other guys are the SaDDADDes who would that we should feel so, about ourselves.

The social problems are a result of the attentional issues.

meadd823 - so now I'm just BAD (boredom aversion disorder)> LOL

Wow I like it. . . an extra letter and it spells another descriptive word that has so many connotations. . . . can't do better than that. Bravo


Okay subject

Social disorders- weather one has ADD attentional issues or one has not attentional issues the appearance of disorder along with severity thereof would be contextual based.

If I shove a boat into my living room so I can sit in it and watch TV am I disordered?

If I tell the truth impulsively is that a disorder?



The social deficit is after all, what confers the degree of relationship and professional dysfunction that ADDers must endure.

I must make an early apology however I do not automatically assume just because I am struggling in a social situaltion weather it is personal or professional that I am the one who is impaired in my functionsing.

Alot of dysfunctional behaviors are considered "normal" moronic office politics and gossip are considerd normal in many places of employement however I do not think they are healthy behaviors. The atmosphere they produce is counter productive to all. To tolerate such non-productive behavior seems to foster it and again does not seem functional in the least.

It would be much better if it was called <name> Syndrome (like Asperger's) as no 3 word phrase is able to accurately define/describe the disorder.
People make big assumptions when they hear the words "attention deficit".

If you shove a boat into your living room so you can sit in it and watch tv I think you have a disorder called SOH.:cool: (and a big living room).

I've thought a LOT about whether ADD should be relabelled. I dont accept that ADeficitD is an apt description. :(

My suggestion is 'ATTENTION DIVERSION DISORDER'.:p

Diversionis defined as 'distraction: something that takes somebody's attention away from something else, especially from more routine activities eg: * a welcome diversion from housework *:)

I love colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, colour, (Off topic - I haven't gone BAD or OCD I just want to see how many times I have to write 'colour' for this post to come up when I google 'colour'.(ps: a lot more than that to get into the top 10 - does anyone know how google searches are rated??).


Jacinta Extragladimadd ;)

Ps. how do we know goldfish don't get bored?? maybe they just dont have enough clout to do anything about their disorder..

We allready have:

Social Phobia (sometimes called social anxiety disorder)
Avoidant Personality Disorder
Agoraphobia

It would be much better if it was called <name> Syndrome (like Asperger's) as no 3 word phrase is able to accurately define/describe the disorder.
People make big assumptions when they hear the words "attention deficit".

Like Attention Surplus Syndrome?
:-)

bored goldfish??I think they'd just stop swimming, sink down to the bottom of the bowl and

'sleep'

... if ever the life of a goldfish became too little to sustain that force which drives them to goldfish*.

* goldfish verb
{also}
meaning::To do whatever a goldfish

...?...does...?...


:-)

Like Attention Surplus Syndrome?
:-)
No. I kinda meant a person's name. Something that doesn't try and define the condition.

PS Anyone know who first "discovered" ADHD?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Marvin_front.png


source (http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/Marvin/marvin_say.html)

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to take you down to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction? 'Cos I don't." - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, c. 11

"Simple. I got very bored and depressed, so I went and plugged myself in to its external computer feed. I talked to the computer at great length and explained my view of the Universe to it," said Marvin.
"And what happened?" pressed Ford.
"It committed suicide," said Marvin and stalked off back to the Heart of Gold. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, c. 34

So ...

goldfish ->- relatively little brain

Marvin ->- totally huge brain (size of a planet)

Now ...

goldfish ->- not bored

Marvin ->- bored

Why ...?...
Just 1 reason

goldfish ->- little brain + few neurones

Marvin ->- big brain + many neurones

Whereby ...
There's a hit - since each neirone carries a stipulation that it needs to work at least 'some'
where 'some' 'beats' per minute will be defined by us guys - sometime later

So ...

goldfish ->- requires relatively little neural stimulation to go about its days goldfishing and so it not bored and chills in the still ...

whereas

Marvin ->- requires rather some considerable stimulation (neural) - to float his boat

He doesn't get it

And becomes bored

The solution to ADD - is coming into focus

If only Marvin had exercised his imagination, learnt how to dance or paint - or play an instrument -
Marvin on stage - his talent - naked sax accompanying expressive impressionists similarly disrobed - covered in paint - rolling around on a canvas - an interpretative real-time delivery - timed to convey the ideas behind the spirit - of the android
(Marvin)
who would be muse

Can you see
What I mean?

~ps~
Yes - guys.
It works.

The attentional problems are solved by hitting the threshold with suitable stimulation.
And my poison is

hmmm...

lossless ->- dac+portable preamp,
wired trousers
10-20 rechargeable batteries
and pth-500s
Terabytes approaching ...

duck :-)

importantly though the poetry of our generation

music
muse
lyrics bending reality
like a spoon

presently in reality,
a present

evolution of bandwidth,

there's a solution -
it's kinda' cool

sing with me
everything's gonna' be alright
everything's gonna' be alright
everything's gonna' be alright
everything's gonna' be

alright

... sure but also

feed me - data power lines - and brains evolving

Can you see
What I mean?

~ps~
Yes - guys.
It works.

... it really works ...

So ...
everything's gonna' be alright ...

right?

:-)

Like Attention Surplus Syndrome?
:-)I cannot.

r

e

s

i

s

t

for much longer.

help me

somebody.

Must playfully toy with

A
S
...?...

:-)

PS Anyone know who first "discovered" ADHD?->-

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Marvin_front.png

Like Attention Surplus Syndrome?
:-)Nooo!!!

but Future dude - HF answered your question.

The guy's first name was 'Harry'

'Big' to his friends

... few called him by his full name though.

HF --
{{{warning}}}

... my entire creativity is vanishing up some robot'sbutt ...

please help me.

~please~

... put a plug in it (the bot'sbutt).

It's ever so dark in here.

Nooo!!!

but Future dude - HF answered your question.

The guy's first name was 'Harry'

'Big' to his friends

... few called him by his full name though.

HF --
{{{warning}}}

... my entire creativity is vanishing up some robot'sbutt ...

please help me.

~please~

... put a plug in it (the bot'sbutt).

It's ever so dark in here.


There are many children and adults living in the bot's butt that seriously need your help. They are starving and in dire need of sunlight and intellectual/creative outlet. With your tax-deductible donation, you can help those living in the bot's butt like this one live a promising and creative life. Rest assured, your donation will go entirely towards rescuing these individuals from such repulsive living conditions.

Please, pick up the phone and call the number at the bottom of the screen. Please, do it now. These individuals are disparately in need of your help. With your donation to the Association for Individuals Affected by Those with Attention Surplus Syndrome, you will receive a detailed profile of the individual that you are sponsoring, as well as written communication from your sponsored individual.

So, what are you waiting for? Please, pick up the phone, before it is too late!

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What was the topic again? Oh, yes... is social deficit disorder a good name replacement for ADD?

... :-) ...

::global villages::

Douglas Adams
father to Marvin, the Paranoid Android,
author of the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy
thinks of it as a bit like a dinner party discussion. "You start off talking to the person next to you, but as the evening goes on there's an unplanned moment when suddenly things open out and you find yourself talking to someone you don't know because they've said the most interesting or the most challenging things. What you are talking about determines who you are talking to, so now the things we're really interested in put usin touch with a far wider range of people."

... the global village {{{emerges}}}

"We can communicate so easily across national boundaries to reach globally that we are beginning to see coherent groups grow up who don't really have any physical presence but are trans-national, linked by their cultural sense of identity."

[BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/douglas_adams/global_village.shtml)]
bbc.co.uk radio4 douglas_adams global_village

Do all ADDers have interpersonal problems, though?

I know that my problems are not the same as those posted by others.

(e.g. I have never been fired from a job; I haven't been a bully. In fact, I've been moreso bullied (attacked by insecure people ?), rather than been a victimizer.)

From my own experience, I notice that ADDers tend to go moreso to extremes of the Spectrum -- interpersonally and communication-wise.

Some of us are high EQ in terms of emotional intelligences. Some people, however, seem to have a kind of emotional blindness.

Not every one with ADD experiences social dysfunctions, so this would not necessarily be any more accurate than the present "label"

I see ADD as being boredom aversion.I agree with meadd823. Not everyone with ADD experiences social dysfunction. Some folks with ADHD are very outgoing and do well socially. I believe that John Ratey sums up the major ADD dysfunction well -- see my signature line.

Scattered

-- moving -->-- Neural stimulation
-- talking -->-- Neural stimulation
-- daydreaming -->-- Neural stimulation
-- fantasizing -->-- Neural stimulation

And

Uncontrollable -- moving
Uncontrollable -- talking
Uncontrollable -- daydreaming
Uncontrollable -- fantasizing

-->-- leads to more -->-- -->-- Neural stimulation

->- ~into focus~

-- moving -->-- Neural stimulation
-- talking -->-- Neural stimulation
-- daydreaming -->-- Neural stimulation
-- fantasizing -->-- Neural stimulation

And

Uncontrollable -- moving
Uncontrollable -- talking
Uncontrollable -- daydreaming
Uncontrollable -- fantasizing

-->-- leads to more -->-- -->-- Neural stimulationYep!!! That's why we can't tolerate boredom -- no neural stimulation and our brains close up shop! Ratey had an interesting quote in his class from Llilnas, 2001 that said, "That which we call thinking is the evolutionary internalization of movement." That resonated with me.

Scattered

:-)
and number 2 is p...?...? (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=392284&postcount=2)...

ADD is a tale of bots' butts doin' Number twosies

nooo!!!


nooo!!!


nooo!!!


... well ... ok then.

:-)

Maybe social implications could become some sort of sub-type to add to the current subtypes of the ad/hd spectrum...

Heya Andie -
problem is that we'd just be stamp collecting
whereby stamp collecting gains definition under Rutherford's definition of science ...

All science is either physics or stamp collectingyou're right - but we don't need to - if tracking the cause of ADD is our aim.

If, more an exercise in classification - then sure (though) :-) ...

SB UK, I really enjoyed your post. I guess I'm just a big fish in a small pond..

It gets worse and worse..

If you are easily shocked don't read on...

In 1902 British Paediatrician GF (wont even give his full name!) still first described hyperactive behaviour in children as a

wait for it...

'Defect of moral control'.

I've heard of 'tartar control'..I guess moral control is similar..

SO I really am BAD!

BAD my ***!

...I guess I'm just a big fish in a small pond...aha, where fish == your mind,
ie big
and pond relates to goldfish bowl
ie small
== Sylvia Plath's bell jar

== the legacy pond in which we swim,

->- as we learn to use our fins
:-)

... soon we'll be swimming with dolphins.

promise !!!

http://www.exzooberance.com/animal%20pictures/dolphins%20and%20whales%2001/Short-Beaked%20Common%20Dolphin%20314098.jpg
12345

Like Attention Surplus Syndrome?
:-)LOLOLOLO!! I love this!!! This would be a good t-shirt! :D

LOLOLOLO!! I love this!!! This would be a good t-shirt! :DAnd anatomically correct on a voluminous pair of under pants.

I like Jacinta's answer... Attention Diversion Disorder. That or "hurricane head". ;)

oxford academics
radio heads
paranoid androids
gold fishies
wide-eyed kids (big kids)
in a small-minded playground (small pond)


~enjoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8asQsfn82E)~

I see ADD as being boredom aversion.
Smartest thing I've read all day.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Marvin_front.png


So ...

goldfish ->- relatively little brain

Marvin ->- totally huge brain (size of a planet)

Now ...

goldfish ->- not bored

Marvin ->- bored

Why ...?...
Just 1 reason

goldfish ->- little brain + few neurones

Marvin ->- big brain + many neurones

Whereby ...
There's a hit - since each neirone carries a stipulation that it needs to work at least 'some'
where 'some' 'beats' per minute will be defined by us guys - sometime later

So ...

goldfish ->- requires relatively little neural stimulation to go about its days goldfishing and so it not bored and chills in the still ...

whereas

Marvin ->- requires rather some considerable stimulation (neural) - to float his boat

He doesn't get it

And becomes bored

The solution to ADD - is coming into focus

If only Marvin had exercised his imagination, learnt how to dance or paint - or play an instrument -
Marvin on stage - his talent - naked sax accompanying expressive impressionists similarly disrobed - covered in paint - rolling around on a canvas - an interpretative real-time delivery - timed to convey the ideas behind the spirit - of the android
(Marvin)
who would be muse

Can you see
What I mean?

~ps~
Yes - guys.
It works.

The attentional problems are solved by hitting the threshold with suitable stimulation.
And my poison is

hmmm...

lossless ->- dac+portable preamp,
wired trousers
10-20 rechargeable batteries
and pth-500s
Terabytes approaching ...

duck :-)

importantly though the poetry of our generation

music
muse
lyrics bending reality
like a spoon

presently in reality,
a present

evolution of bandwidth,

there's a solution -
it's kinda' cool

sing with me
everything's gonna' be alright
everything's gonna' be alright
everything's gonna' be alright
everything's gonna' be

alright

... sure but also

feed me - data power lines - and brains evolving

Can you see
What I mean?

~ps~
Yes - guys.
It works.

... it really works ...

So ...
everything's gonna' be alright ...

right?

:-)
Motorcycling also cures ADD (if temporarily).

Motorcycling also cures ADD (if temporarily).:-)

sure
does

Riding on a motorcyle may temporarilty 'cure' ADHD...

But it may not cure loud 'squaking', by this 'Freezebaby-Chickypoo'...if it's less tahn 70 degrees outside.

Ask my one freind, back in Ohio, lol !

He'd be more than 'happy', to 'roll his eyes up', to show his exasperation about my 'squaking', whenever he asked me to ride his Harley 'Fat Boy', during what I perceived as, 'cold' temperature days. (0:

'Wuss' was the name he chose for me, lol !

Maybe social implications could become some sort of sub-type to add to the current subtypes of the ad/hd spectrum


Although almost as good as the bot butt interlude going above I will have to submit the fact that three different sub-types of ADD are already confusing enough to most and additions will make only more mentally trapped victims that need 1-800 calls to be rescued from a bad view.

ADD could be topic diversion disorder - always diverting from the topic. . . . which was socialization . . ..

How ever many of the social implications are already shared in the form of secondary conditions like conduct disorder, social anxiety, PTSD, and moronities ( an inflamination caused by being around morons)


The reason for this is social problems are not indicative of ADD. Some ADDer do have social problems and so of us do not have any more than other people our same age gender social class ands all that stuff.

Ratey in Shadow syndromes describes ADD as being unable to consciously control the direction of your focus. IN other wards as described above quiet colorfully may I add, When the stimuli isn’t sufficient enough to hold our attention our mind goes “I am outta here” if your mind takes your body with it then it is considered ADHD – with hyper active feature. . . . if you decide to liven the conversation up your self then you are accused of being impulsive. Weather these traits are an impairment or dysfunctions would depend upon the situation , the people and the ability of others to tolerate diversity (or the ability of others to be interesting enough to pay attention to = depending up on perspective)

I have found one thing that helps is to accept me for who I am because if I do not accept myself how should I expect others to. I do consider the feelings of others and I am an accepting person however I pretty well expect the same in return. People who want to look down their noses at those who are different I have little use for because I feel they have a disorder them selves –ego-ities with secondary neurodiverse phobia.

PS Did the entire membership forget to take their medications before getting on this thread ?



I wonder when I took my medications last . . .. will it matter?

It would seem not to really . . . . when my chair is on my head I shall consider looking for those pills that are supposed to help me to remember where I put the darn pills.

So no social dysfunction here, we all seem to understand each other. . . . we do not seem to mind conversing. Do NTers see thsi as normal how about that ? Could they follow the discussion? Hmm I would have to seek one out next time I go in town. . . .I normally only see NTers at the stores in town now. . . . ADD is perfectly normal in a world of ADDers . . . . .similar to the fact that most dyslexic don't have problems with other dyslexic spelling. . . . brown eyes are only abnormal in an all blue eyed world . . . not any harder than that

Motorcycling also cures ADD (if temporarily).Way back in the dark ages, I spent time on the back of a motorcycle and one of my biggest regrets in life is never learning to drive one.

? daerth dem ffo Na .naem u tahw wonk tond I

Takes meds..

Ahhh...now I wonk

Takes meds..
Ahhh...now I wonk
hee hee !

really?

no way!

Hey sb uk thought u might like this:

www.stolaf.edu/people/giannini/flashanimat/transport/osmosis.swf (http://www.stolaf.edu/people/giannini/flashanimat/transport/osmosis.swf)

Do NTers see thsi as normal how about that ? Could they follow the discussion? Hmm I would have to seek one out next time I go in town. . . .Psssst NTs are easy to find! They smell like long lines and tax forms :D.

might == do

They smell like urine and chloroform :D:D... ... effectively sleepin' zombies urinating over one another.

daerth dem ffo Na .naem u tahw wonk tond I

Takes meds..

Ahhh...now I wonk


I wish my meds worked this rapidly

emos srotaredom evah aixelsyd oot, ew daer lla stros fo ffuts nettirw sdarwkcab wef nac etirw taht yaw sa llew.

? sdrawkcab oot si sdrawkcab woh


Psssst NTs are easy to find! They smell like long lines and tax forms

after reading this.. . . .meadd must clean soda off of computer screen. . . .

Are we dysfunctioning socially yet?

yep my social impairment deficit continues to soar.

I managed to have face to face conversations with only 2 people (and the dog) today (the check out operator doesn't count does she?).

This was an improvement on yesterday when it was one person, the dog, an indecently hasty (on my part) phone conversation with a telemarketer, and a phone call with daughter.

On the positive side I had a conversation with the stars (the dog was too busy running around the oval). Well what else are you going to do at 1 am in the morning..some people are stupid enough to count sheep.

orginally posted by mead823
{I wish my meds worked this quickly}

Actually, they didn't..it took an hour before I wrote the next line. LOL. and its taken me about a week to get around to responding to your post..its that procrastination thing..oh and I haven't taken any meds since last tuesday..who said I had ADD..

Well what else are you going to do at 1 am in the morning...

post on ADDF!