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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

- Ernest Hemingway, author and journalist, Nobel laureate (1899-1961)

Hemingway, who took his own life in 1961, knew his share of both intelligent people and of unhappiness. He lived through two world wars, the Great Depression, four wives and an unknown number of failed romantic relationships, none of which would help him to develop happiness if he knew how.


As Hemingway's quote was based on his life experience, I will base the following speculation on both my personal and my professional experience as a sociologist. Not enough study exists to quote on this subject.


Western society is not set up to nurture intelligent children and adults, the way it dotes over athletes and sports figures, especially the outstanding ones. While we have the odd notable personality such as Albert Einstein, we also have many extremely intelligent people working in occupations that are considered among the lowliest, as may be attested by a review of the membership lists of Mensa (the club for the top two percent on intelligence scales).



Education systems in countries whose primary interest is in wealth accumulation encourage heroes in movies, war and sports, but not in intellectual development. Super intelligent people manage, but few reach the top of the business or social ladder.



Children develop along four streams: intellectual, physical, emotional (psychological) and social. In classrooms, the smartest kids tend to be left out of more activities by other children than they are included in. They are "odd," they are the geeks, they are social outsiders. In other words, they do not develop socially as well as they may develop intellectually or even physically where opportunities may exist for more progress.



Their emotional development, characterized by their ability to cope with risky or stressful situations, especially over long periods of time, also lags behind that of the average person.



Adults tend to believe that intelligent kids can deal with anything because they are intellectually superior. This inevitably includes situations where the intelligent kids have neither knowledge nor skills to support their experience. They go through the tough times alone. Adults don't understand that they need help and other kids don't want to associate with kids the social leaders say are outsiders.



As a result we have many highly intelligent people whose social development progresses much slower than that of most people and they have trouble coping with the stressors of life that present themselves to everyone. It should come as no surprise that the vast majority of prison inmates are socially and emotionally underdeveloped or maldeveloped and a larger than average percentage of them are more intelligent than the norm.



Western society provides the ideal incubator for social misfits and those with emotional coping problems. When it comes to happiness, people who are socially inept and who have trouble coping emotionally with the exigencies of life would not be among those you should expect to be happy.



This may be changing in the 21st century as the geeks gain recognition as people with great potential, especially as people who might make their fortune in the world of high technology. Geeks may be more socially accepted than in the past, but unless they receive more assistance with their social and emotional development, most are destined to be unhappy as they mature in the world of adults.



People with high intelligence, be they children or adults, still rank as social outsiders in most situations, including their skills to be good mates and parents.



Moreover, they tend to see more of the tragedy in the communites and countries they live in, and in the world, than the average person whose primary source of news and information is comedy shows on television. Tragedy is easier to find than compassion, even though compassion likely exists in greater proportion in most communities.



Bill Allin

'Turning It Around: Causes and Cures for Today's Epidemic Social Problems,' striving to make the difficult problems easier to understand so someone can change the system.

Learn more at http://billallin.com ENDQUOTE

great find FBI'd
- would just add that techno-gadget geekery is a place in which we can hide - which permits us to handle our heightened sense of social responsibility.
No - we're not socially backfiring - quite the opposite - we're driven mad by the lack of social responsibility displayed by legacy forms ...
- unsurprisingly enough -
- by the gaggle of headless zombies (legacy forms) replete with the phrases ...

'let's get drunk - no - you're so boring'
- better - maybe -
'let's ... {insert something boring here}... - no - you're so boring'

Awesome write up, thanks for finding it. And thanks for putting spaces between paragraphs, I think it's the only way a lot of us would have read the whole thing.

I....like.... spaces too ... the.... space.... and.... enter... bars... are... underrated.... tools... in.... the... art... of.... communication...:D

ho hum ... sorry ...

... one of my wife's very ADD very intelligent relatives

... a depression-destroyed life

attempts to follow Hemingway,1961 ... second time in her life (little while ago).

Very intelligent, very ADD.

... this is a recurrent tale - very much in need of ending
... for all ADDers (happily)
... a happy ending required

~and~

*soon*

A large part of the problem is that the humble ADDer seems incapable of owning up (humbly) to the intelligence which we can and mostly do, exhibit.

Understandable - i guess.

But how about if the humble ADDer were to demonstrate that the intelligence which we exhibit - is merely the byproduct of another process - a much more significant process - which occurs in the absence of biology.

What am I saying?

That the reticence to own up to the very clear pattern of high intelligence positively correlating with ADD is misplaced.

To illustrate - when a diamond forms under contextual environmental conditions of pressure, temperature ... would one ever catch the dashing new crystal - taking a step back and congratulating itself on its new self?

Evolution, context and serendipity.

Why Intelligent people are not happy...

Would the first to see, gouge out their eyes - if all they saw was ugliness ?

Worse still - would the first to see gouge out their minds - if all they saw was ugliness - and they had nobody to communicate their concerns to ?
Without stabilization - that individual would crumble into the cracks between the logical inconsistencies of the individual's own (new form) and society's collective (legacy) mind.

We are a social animal - but of course - we are not social in the same way that a worm is social.

Things change - we change.

Man is changing, has changed.

We'll find that any issues relating to ADDers being socially dysfunctional - will uncover the truth - the truth that 'different socially' is closer to the mark - where different (in this case) - is better - where better is defined as a behaviour which satisfies more closely the underlying 'point' of social ... social groups ... ... society ... ... ... to mankind.

Hemingway himself blamed the ECT treatments for "putting him out of business" by destroying his memory.

Imagine if the point of life is kinda' to build that eye which can see (that same eye which runs the risk of being gouged out) ... and imagine if - seconds before the bandages are due to be pulled off - a treatment is applied which wires eyes shut for a further 6 months.
And so it continues - 5 minutes before sight is restored - pushed back by 6 months.

And again...

And again...

... and again ... ... ...

... mightn't the light which is leading the development of Hemingway's vision - just plain stop trying ...

? set him adrift

? burn him out

stamped 'failed experiment' and consigned to the 'not to be repeated folder'.

As somebody who has been in line for ECT - I think that perhaps those cases where electroshocks are being used to foist new (essentially though legacy realities) onto a mind which cannot (by definition) return to those other 'thought patterns' - will - in such cases lead to similarly 'failed experiments'.

Adults tend to believe that intelligent kids can deal with anything because they are intellectually superior. This inevitably includes situations where the intelligent kids have neither knowledge nor skills to support their experience. They go through the tough times alone. Adults don't understand that they need help and other kids don't want to associate with kids the social leaders say are outsiders.

Ouch, this one brings out some un-popular memories, I definatley agree.

Moreover, they tend to see more of the tragedy in the communites and countries they live in, and in the world, than the average person whose primary source of news and information is comedy shows on television. Tragedy is easier to find than compassion, even though compassion likely exists in greater proportion in most communities.

I have long-time questioned why it seems the smarter the prerson, the more compassionate they seem to be. Maybe because its harder to be ingorent?

Western society is not set up to nurture intelligent children and adults, the way it dotes over athletes and sports figures, especially the outstanding ones. I believe that Hemingway pursued the line represented by 'atheletes ...' initially - and turned to the line of 'intelligent' later on in life ...

... these two lines do not sit well together - and previously we've discussed this dichotemy using the ideas of physical and logical hierarchy.
A physical hierarchy and not a logical hierarchy exists in the former (legacy form) and this evolves into a logical (and not physical) hierarchy (new form) - the only problem being that one needs to give up legacy form in order to make the transition to new form.

There's no halfway house - attempting to run the two simultaneously is akin to - using another image from previously - falling under gravity - whilst attached by one's ankles to the ceiling.

Ripped apart - an alternative description of the depression which ensues from standing with our two feet in different rrrealities - under the knowledge that no halfway house exists - the transition is a kinda' black hole - where none can stand - linger instead of hop over and one is sucked into that black vortex ...
... mind ripped out
... sent to recycling

for salvage.

The article makes a lot of sense, especially considering how many of superior intelligence get pushed along through a system that is not appropriate for them. That is not the only cause, by any means, but it is a significant aspect in my opinion. As the article stated, these individuals tend to be socially inexperienced because of their differences, but also probably are reluctant to seek out social experiences when they have progressed beyond these environments as they would be discouraged from previous experience.

Really, the unhappiness goes beyond personal lives too... it interferes with jobs/careers as well. Previous school experience is related to this to a certain degree, as those with a poorer educational experience may be inclined or forced to take jobs that are not appropriate for them. But the majority of jobs probably aren't suited for the *highly* intelligent in the first place, no matter the pay or education level required. One has to look for areas where other bright individuals exist... and one may make several mistakes along the way of finding such a job (or turning to self employment). The conflict, if anything, is probably related to personality features, which certain personality features may correlate with these individuals to a degree.

Of course you also have the smart kid, Vs, smart kid rivalries, so sometimes even in groups of outher "geeks" acceptance could be a isshue,

plus, being a indavidual like that leads to very, "indivadual" ideas, so finding some one who accepts them, and doesn't prefer to argue with you, well, thats another challange.

Intelligent people don't inherently have to be unhappy. And I'd rather be smart and have problems than be not smart and have problems. Happiness is just a different thing from smarts, a whole different talent.

We'll find that any issues relating to ADDers being socially dysfunctional - will uncover the truth - the truth that 'different socially' is closer to the mark - where different (in this case) - is better - where better is defined as a behaviour which satisfies more closely the underlying 'point' of social ... social groups ... ... society ... ... ... to mankind.


I am glad some one said it saved me from having to. . . . It is time WE say ENOUGH CRAP! It isn’t all our dysfunction, we are in dysfunctional society where as most wear blinders. Because I can see beyond the blinders I am dysfunctional – horse hockey



The article makes a lot of sense, especially considering how many of superior intelligence get pushed along through a system that is not appropriate for them. That is not the only cause, by any means, but it is a significant aspect in my opinion. As the article stated, these individuals tend to be socially inexperienced because of their differences, but also probably are reluctant to seek out social experiences when they have progressed beyond these environments as they would be discouraged from previous experience.

Really, the unhappiness goes beyond personal lives too... it interferes with jobs/careers as well. Previous school experience is related to this to a certain degree, as those with a poorer educational experience may be inclined or forced to take jobs that are not appropriate for them. But the majority of jobs probably aren't suited for the *highly* intelligent in the first place, no matter the pay or education level required. One has to look for areas where other bright individuals exist... and one may make several mistakes along the way of finding such a job (or turning to self employment). The conflict, if anything, is probably related to personality features, which certain personality features may correlate with these individuals to a degree.


Well said there are not enough words in the English language to convey my agreement.



Of course you also have the smart kid, Vs, smart kid rivalries,

I stopped here as this is an important point. VS – too much emphasis on competition.



plus, being a indavidual like that leads to very, "indivadual" ideas, so finding some one who accepts them, and doesn't prefer to argue with you, well, thats another challange.


Agreed although I do not mind having my ideas challenged as long as the other party is listening to what I have to say instead of pushing their preconceived notions upon me. Pushing me will cause me to grow a brain.



Happiness is just a different thing from smarts, a whole different talent.

Happiness is more often than not a choice how ever temperament is “set” by genetics according to some theories. Maybe I am lucky in that I am just dumb enough to find happiness when ever and where ever I can. I do not look to the big things to make me happy. I do not have to win the lottery, I have smiled when I see the flowers in my garden bloom.

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/331/forumpurpleflowerlv7.th.jpg (http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forumpurpleflowerlv7.jpg)

I do not have to be problem free as long as I have at least one person who gives a hoot about me. I do not have to have the ideal job as long as I know I will have a loyal four legged family member to greet me at the end of a hard frustrating day. Happiness is what we choose to see in the little things that greet our lives every day. Maybe I just stipud enough to choose happiness which okay by me.

. . . . It is time WE say
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ENOUGH . . . .

. . . . 1.crap
. . . . 2.already
. . . . 3.is enough

. . . . model for mind can make this all go away.

Happiness is more often than not a choice how ever temperament is “set” by genetics according to some theories. Maybe I am lucky in that I am just dumb enough to find happiness when ever and where ever I can. I do not look to the big things to make me happy. I do not have to win the lottery, I have smiled when I see the flowers in my garden bloom.

For me, the ultimate defence against sadness, is just looking up, smile through the tears, and maybe with the help of your own self-amazement you'll reckignise something in yourslef that isn't just quite ready to let yourself cry :)

Genetics, na.
because I'm to dumb? Definetley not.

because I choose,
. . . . It is time WE say
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/331/forumpurpleflowerlv7.th.jpg (http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forumpurpleflowerlv7.jpg)

ENOUGH . . . .

(IMPO)

~ in the name of the rose (http://www.parabola.me.uk/kandid/rose.jpg) ~

Umber (http://www.answers.com/umber&r=67)to Eco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecology)
Professor of Semiotics

... semiotics ->- the other 3 ...

:-)

I would suppose that what makes us happy is unique to the particular person, but I can say that the typical goals of most people... money, wife + kids, etc. mean very little to me. It is necessary for me to be able to express my ideas and act upon them to a certain degree for me to be happy, which is often very difficult, but beyond that, not much else phases me.

...to express my ideas...ADDer thought ((multiple threads running around the metamodel web) within the well-developed mind) trumps all-comers (all other mechanisms for eliciting neurotransmission (stimulation))
ADDer thought trumps all-comers ->- is the very embodiment of fun to us

... and so ...
...to express my ideas...for me to be happy... is not surprising.

... who's looking at you, kiddo :-) ...

http://philosophy.uh.edu/images/meditationds.jpg

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geneticshttp://www.ns.msu.edu/genetics/ImagesandPictures/Genetics%20Prog%20Graphics/DNA_helix_logo.jpg

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http://philosophy.uh.edu/images/meditationds.jpg

post#15,16,19,20 (this thread) rose

http://www.parabola.me.uk/kandid/rose.jpg
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post#23 (this thread) DNA (helicase)

http://www.hms.harvard.edu/news/releases/images/hexamer.jpg

Why Intelligent people are not happy...

Artificial intelligence ... CMAC- the Albus AI algorithm emulating
Human intelligence ... Cerebellar- functionality

... the cerebellum encodes the mechanism which evolution was to seize upon in conferring upon man - a capacity ...
... a capacity which was later to prove the root of unhappyness for many ( but not all) Intelligent people...

. . . . model for mind can make this all go away.12345

Why ***Intelligent people are not happy...?...



***
many but **** NOT **** all ...

... if all ... ... ... / { where'd be the sense in that ...?... } / ... ... ...

... like Tammy - I am happy.

Genetics, a matter of perspective?

Or secondary to Memes?

(witch may also be secondary to self)

Meme
Gene
Scene.

MGS.

Metal Gear Solid.

Fan of Hideo Kojima?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideo_Kojima

Sort of, "breaking the fouth wall" of our own lives.

Makeing ourselvs aware of ourselvs


The oracle: here, have a cookie, and by the time you walk out that door you will remember that you don't believe in any of this "fate" crap anyway.

Neo:...*TAKES COOKIE!*...thanks...*...walks out...*

(Hope you don't mind me getting involved on a conversation of this level, :p I'm kind of challangeing myself to keep up with SB_UK's way of thinking, :eyebrow: )

Meme
Gene
Scene
perspective and genetics would have made it ->-
GMS

though ...
RNA->-DNA->-protein

should actually be read as

DNA and protein support efficient generation of RNA.

RNA - is enigmatic.

Meme as basis for RNA production.

The brain contains a vast amount of freaky RNA - so called non-coding RNA - snoRNAs.

Since RNA components ->- xanthine ->- uric acid
->- oxidation occurring here ->-

reduction occurring elsewhere to balance the above oxidation.

Reduction may also be considered the pulling down of H into covalent structure.

H is engmatic also - representing the H+ ->- H,H2 transition between physics and chemistry.

This is an emergent event of some note - heralding the start of 'our Universe' - of chemistry, biochemistry, neurochemistry [psychology] ->- I think perhaps that the energy which is released as we observe an emergent reaction ie
(A) + (B) ->- (C) + energy ->- 'powers' the set of layers of abstraction which together may be summarised as 'chemistry [physical,organic,inorganic]'.

... though better ...

physical ->- organic ->- inorganic chemistry

Emergence
(A) + (B) ->- (A)(B) ->- (A(B)) ->- (C(C)) + energy

(C(C)) is smaller than (A) + (B), and since E and m are synonymous -
a drop in m necessitates a release of E

E == energy

evolution on the n=9 of chemistry ->- towards maximizing ->-
E == energy

Vhan the man :-)

-ps-

eg (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/309/5740/1527) - google#1 with mattick RNA

The Functional Genomics of Noncoding RNA
(JS Mattick)

Large numbers of noncoding RNA transcripts (ncRNAs) are being revealed ... and for the most part the freaked RNAs chill in yur noodle

note:: this bit was added by a cereal lunatic.

http://www.addforums.com/forums/image.php?u=13437&dateline=1167265212

oi vey V - not those noodles !!!

:-)

hee hee llama hee

This is annoying, its been so long since I have played any part of the MGS series :p

Plus the LAST ONE CAME OUT! OhhHhHhhhHHHHHHhHh, Still havent played it >.<

This would be so much easyier if I could remember what all the characters said!

Man can you guys seriously post. . . .

smile post (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=395468&postcount=16)



model for mind can make this all go away.

Elementary my dear Watson

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1316/moneydowntolietcc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



:soapbox: :eek: :D

{Quote}It appears likely that ncRNAs constitute a critical hidden layer of gene regulation in complex organisms, the understanding of which requires new approaches in functional genomics.{End Quote}

From source provided below. . . .


note:: this bit was added by a cereal lunatic. (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/309/5740/1527)


Hey I got a cholocate milk shake. . . wanna share?

OKay so we are either not smart, not happy, or doing some thing ohh so very right. . . ..

posting lessons by SB_UK ;)

Awww!!!

love is ... ... ...


http://www.gizmodo.com/images/toiletlight.jpg

WHAT KIND OF MOTION???

I tell ya - and what's the 0-60mph?
Fuel economy??

I mean - does it play mp3s or is it bOGG Vorbis compatible,

Is it bundled with a calendar?

Why are his and hers brown and green?

Who would buy a brown toilet?

Oh! my!

And if that wasn't enough - there's an advert for some iPod thing called iGo underneath.

Oh my!

Oh my my my!

Share your life, your love - share your memories and your time ...

but keep yur stinkin' parpety parps to yourself

... his and hers motion activated toilet!

And no - I do not want to place an order.

:-)

rrreally.

toilets, rrreality U bend(s) and minds in gutters.

lovely.

Where're Crazy and Hope for a YahPoo 360 moment?

ooo - just thought - d'ya reckon there are any 360 degree swivel toilet seats.

Fun fun fun...

{{{must stop - about to invent a game which ... well ... let's just say
'target acquired'
'lock and load'
'bombs away'


:-)

emergency evacuation procedure commencing.

fire in the hold.

stop me!!! please ... the bot's butt is unplugged, disimpacted and ain't shooting blanks ...

... ... under attack !!!

{{{ :-) ) ) }}}

parp !!!


~ fun ~

It may help if the pic showed the money being flushed down the toliet better sorry that was the best free pic of money going down a toleit I could find in the 10 minutes I had.

hey qk, quinque [5] ...

... enantiomerically pure seeks special homochiral other for fun, nights out and possible
longer term committment.
Must appreciate abstract structure and switch rapidly from the divine to Divine.
Needs to have a good sense of humour and like pets.
Should enjoy nature and recognize that Ayurveda (a German shepherd) doesn't bark up the wrong tree.
Caught in the moment - that special person must be willing to race mi, c ee?
- never though to beat or be beaten.
Crossing the winning line together - rather a little special ...
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wikiP on 'Racemic' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racemic]->-
"Conglomerate (sometimes racemic mixture or racemic conglomerate)

A mechanical mixture of enantiomerically pure crystals of one enantiomer and its opposite.
Molecules in the crystal structure have higher affinity to the same enantiomer than to the opposite enantiomer. The melting point of the racemic conglomerate is always lower than the pure enantiomer.
Addition of a small amount of one enantiomer to the racemic compound increases the melting point.
------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------

Homochirality drives towards perfect racemic structure 1:1
In effect 'nothing' - the 2 chiral forms balance
cf. why nothing is something (ADDF previously - physics)

Emergence occurs when the perfect 50:50 mix is hit.

The emergent phenomenon is essentially the same as that described onab1straction layer physics ->-
that electron + proton ->- neutron (which is smaller than e- and p+ separately).
(ADDF previously - physics)

:-)

plasmodium,malaria, quinine, inhibition through molecular mimickry.

Of what?

porphyrin ring ->- evolves to comprise a larger sub-component ->- net effect ->- the pigment evolves into
a significantly 'better' form - where 'better' is defined as being better able to perform the task which the inorganic heavy metal ion performs locked within its organic 'exoskeleton' ->-

... better, more efficient at loading up on oxygen and carrying it to sites where
it will participate in drastically improving the essential process of life ->-

->-
that of reduction / oxidation ->- energetically powering our ADDselves

H ->- oxidized
0 ->- reduced

no such thing as a free particle - the proton can only occur stabilized by carrier, partner ...


- the in vivo carriers of H(number 1),O(number 2) have both evolved (by the Universal rule)
... in order to increase their capacity - their efficiency to perform their tasks.

Completely understandable - and the right thing to do.

Both of these lines have been visited previously on ADDF - in summary though and respectively ...

(number 1) is the RNA (base) ->- xanthine (coffee) ->- uric acid [widdly widdle wee wee]
- is the carrier of H+ thanks to the N's

(number 2) is pOO (O2) - excretion of breakdown products of the *new* haemoglobin (and family) ->-
the *new* bilirubin and *new* ultra-oxygen loadable metal ion (FeIII non-haem iron).

The sequence of events in No. 1 represents the oxidation ->- excretion which, in the process ->-
the bound proton (H+) being reduced - through emergency - and energy release from the wonderful world
of physics into the higher (abstraction layer) - of chemistry.

Similarly - oxygen oxidizes and is itself reduced.

Forgetting the redefinition of oxidation, reduction ->- H is just so clearly being oxidized in H2O
coz it's stuck to an O.

Water.

Anyone?

We arise through

Evolution (rule)
(operating within) environmental context

and throw in serendipity - because it's a mighty complex equation and a lovely word.

poo + wee == poowee

... a totally stinky emergent smell
(== qk)

ha!

You're it.

shhh!!!

~ ps ~

:-)

hey qk, quinque [5] ...

... enantiomerically pure seeks special homochiral other for fun, nights out and possible
longer term committment.
Must appreciate abstract structure and switch rapidly from the divine to Divine.
Needs to have a good sense of humour and like pets.
Should enjoy nature and recognize that Ayurveda (a German shepherd) doesn't bark up the wrong tree.
Caught in the moment - that special person must be willing to race mi, c ee?
- never though to beat or be beaten.
Crossing the winning line together - rather a little special ...
------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------
wikiP on 'Racemic' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racemic]->-
"Conglomerate (sometimes racemic mixture or racemic conglomerate)

A mechanical mixture of enantiomerically pure crystals of one enantiomer and its opposite.
Molecules in the crystal structure have higher affinity to the same enantiomer than to the opposite enantiomer. The melting point of the racemic conglomerate is always lower than the pure enantiomer.
Addition of a small amount of one enantiomer to the racemic compound increases the melting point.
------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------

Homochirality drives towards perfect racemic structure 1:1
In effect 'nothing' - the 2 chiral forms balance
cf. why nothing is something (ADDF previously - physics)

Emergence occurs when the perfect 50:50 mix is hit.

The emergent phenomenon is essentially the same as that described onab1straction layer physics ->-
that electron + proton ->- neutron (which is smaller than e- and p+ separately).
(ADDF previously - physics)

:-)

plasmodium,malaria, quinine, inhibition through molecular mimickry.

Of what?

porphyrin ring ->- evolves to comprise a larger sub-component ->- net effect ->- the pigment evolves into
a significantly 'better' form - where 'better' is defined as being better able to perform the task which the inorganic heavy metal ion performs locked within its organic 'exoskeleton' ->-

... better, more efficient at loading up on oxygen and carrying it to sites where
it will participate in drastically improving the essential process of life ->-

->-
that of reduction / oxidation ->- energetically powering our ADDselves

H ->- oxidized
0 ->- reduced

no such thing as a free particle - the proton can only occur stabilized by carrier, partner ...


- the in vivo carriers of H(number 1),O(number 2) have both evolved (by the Universal rule)
... in order to increase their capacity - their efficiency to perform their tasks.

Completely understandable - and the right thing to do.

Both of these lines have been visited previously on ADDF - in summary though and respectively ...

(number 1) is the RNA (base) ->- xanthine (coffee) ->- uric acid [widdly widdle wee wee]
- is the carrier of H+ thanks to the N's

(number 2) is pOO (O2) - excretion of breakdown products of the *new* haemoglobin (and family) ->-
the *new* bilirubin and *new* ultra-oxygen loadable metal ion (FeIII non-haem iron).

The sequence of events in No. 1 represents the oxidation ->- excretion which, in the process ->-
the bound proton (H+) being reduced - through emergency - and energy release from the wonderful world
of physics into the higher (abstraction layer) - of chemistry.

Similarly - oxygen oxidizes and is itself reduced.

Forgetting the redefinition of oxidation, reduction ->- H is just so clearly being oxidized in H2O
coz it's stuck to an O.

Water.

Anyone?

We arise through

Evolution (rule)
(operating within) environmental context

and throw in serendipity - because it's a mighty complex equation and a lovely word.

poo + wee == poowee

... a totally stinky emergent smell
(== qk)

ha!

You're it.

shhh!!!
__________________



Gee I am hope happiness is not contingent upon understanding all of the above because I would be a miserable person. . . .or I may have to try re-reading it when I am not dissecting the start menu on my lap top. . . .dissections are rather distracting. . . .perhaps I need a wiggle break my brain works better in motion. . . . .

Now to connect the SB_ADDF dots

Now for some thing totall different - cell life

and happiness

Unversal Tao (not german shepherds) (http://www.universal-tao.com/article/sick.html)

When coenzyme A decreases, conditions like depression, anxiety, and PMS symptoms are often worsened, without apparent cause. The mycotoxin acetadehyde is continually produced by Y/F and converted by the liver to alcohol. Some people who appear to have been drinking are actually showing athe effects of Y/F and it alcohol by-product. Common symptoms are in many cases simply the result of being poisoned: paranoia, not being in total control of one's actions, knowing the right thing to do but being unable to do it, mental incompetence, and a variety of other behavioral disturbances (emotional and psychological). Other possible symptoms are panic attacks, feelings of anxiety, depression, irritability, and headaches. Hypochondriac-type reactions causing neurotic behavior and emotional instability are also possible.

Additional neurological fallout from Y/F includes ailments such as mood swings, headaches, migraines, that fogged-in-feeling, inability to concentrate, poor memory, confusion, dizziness, and even MS-like symptoms such as slurred speech and muscular incoordination.***End Quote

Well I do catch on some times sooner other times later.

Hopefully this will tie SB's post into the topic rather nicely . . .

while listening to . . ..

All right "Hair of the Dog" by Nezareth. . . . ."I ain't so blind I can't see"


Happiness has to do with a good song , alert mind and lots of wiggles.

- chytrids -

Happiness has to do with a good song , alert mind and lots of wiggles ...
Happiness has to do with a good (wo)man, alert dog and lots of wigglie little people ...

... last time I looked - wasn't a bad thing to load up on a double helping o'happiness - reason being - that contrary to popular belief there need not be 'haves' and 'have nots' in a rrreality which has evolved past 'physical hierarchy' and which has evolved into 'logical hierarchy' - a rrreality in which we've descended into our own minds
:-) ... a descent
~ to emerge ~
{also ascent}
... no otherbodymind need suffer for any individual's happiness - in fact - ironically - an individual's happiness (of course - our driver) - may not be achieved by any form of activity - which when teased apart by a 'systems' mind yields a net detriment to any other's happiness ...

... that wouldn't be right ...
... I mean - so how could that *ever* lead to happiness ... happiness can't be stolen.

can it?

nopedy doo daa.

... last time I looked - wasn't a bad thing to load up on a double helping o'happiness ... happyhappyhippopoocinogenics ... breed happiness ... just think - how happy people can pull you into their happy place - and how the other --- pulls us in the other direction.

To characterize this as a form of magnetic attraction would not be incorrect.

unhappy] {<- so wotcha' gonna' do ->-} [happy happy happy ...

... breed happiness ... just think -
'field of flowers' ... coming into bloom after the first solitary bud opens to the light ... an exponential rate in increase of opening of the buds ...

... to the sun.

And there it is.

ADD is the opening of our eyes.
Awakening to the new day - new wo/man new day -
... and about time too.
oi vey!!!
What have we been doing to our notional collective rrreality space?

In many ways - the rationale (Universal Law of emergent energetic Evolution) offering constraint but also notional direction and checkpoint geometric forms to 'energetic motion' (descent/ascent of the stair well to Hades/Heaven) -
underlying the direction of the chemical (biochemical, neurochemical) series of events from which all (most importantly man (all aspects)) (Universal rules operate universally) - (all aspects - OF COURSE including mind) ... events from which all - arises ...
... adds that scientifically acceptable substrate under a whole buncha' freaky stuff which we do (if we're honest) - know to be true.

Just *now* - we know w-h-y ->- (to a bit of the puzzle)

NOT

the whole puzzle.

So - why listening to music is fun - or doing boring stuff is boring. Why - thinking becomes so much fun as we develop our mind, and why we can think better whilst on the toilet. Why computer games are great - why as we grow (develop mind) - why our interests change.
Why two people are never the same in terms of interest - and why different teaching styles are necessitated by people with different minds.

Could go on forever - just though to make the point that we have our own internal divining stick for fun, which in collaboration with mind - leads us to where we need be.

Developing mind whilst having fun.
As drive in our evolutionary ascent towards evolutionary change in geometric form of mind, in response to the requirement to store increased information
== data
== energy.

That is the drive.
Neurostimulation, not pointless though - reusable neurostimulation -
thought.
Philosophical abstract thought ->- we drive our own evolutionary development up through the, down through the concentric onion layers of RRReality.

... adds that scientifically acceptable substrate under a whole buncha' freaky stuff
... to the satisfaction of the most constipated of scientists.

Disimpaction underway --- and whoaaa Nelly --- prepare yourself for the

Ahhh...

And it's a hard
and it's a hard
it's a a hard
and it's a hard
And it's a hard (and stinky) rain that's gonna' fall

~to sweep away the grime from a legacy
which we now understand
... our selfish evolutionary legacy~

~head turned uppawards - selflessly~

-then-

for the first time - smiling ... ... ...

And it's a hard (and stinky) rain that's gonna' fall
... Ummm!!! ... we really needed that ...

... and incidentally sung in the style of Stabile.
Nasal (with aplomb up Tom's left nostril).

:-)

They say that ADDers possibly have a higher intelligence than average people, but we just cant pay attention, correct?

They also say that higher intelligence causes a hightened sense of depression.
BUT...somehow this post has managed to sway from an article about depressed intelects, to some strange toilet-gadget-thingy, and I think I even saw a post about the MGS series in here somewhere.

I love metal gear solid! and toilet gadgets crack me up every time lmao :) We're supposed to be intelligent, and yet, most ADDers I know (including myself) are of the goofiest people around, great for a laugh now and again. (sometimes I findmyself making goofy faces in the mirror just to crack myself up)

Intelligent and happy? Perhaps we are the missing link?

They also say that higher intelligence causes a hightened sense of depression.

I am unsure if emotions require intelligence, a lot of stupid people have emotions. I think depression has very little to do with intelligence.

Type depression and causes in Google not one source indicates intelligence as being a primary factor.

psychology info (http://www.psychologyinfo.com/depression/causes.html)


People who have low self-esteem, who consistently view themselves and the world with pessimism, or who are readily overwhelmed by stress are more prone to depression. Psychologists often describe social learning factors as being significant in the development of depression, as well as other psychological problems. People learn both adaptive and maladaptive ways of managing stress and responding to life problems within their family, educational, social and work environments. These environmental factors influence psychological development, and the way people try to resolve problems when they occur. Social learning factors also explain why psychological problems appear to occur more often in family members, from generation to generation. If a child grows up in a pessimistic environment, in which discouragement is common and encouragement is rare, that child will develop a vulnerability to depression as well. ***End Quote

~Underlining mine~

Now the under lined parts may indicate why some people with ADD are more prone to depression. However the sub-type of ADD may have a baring upon the likelihood of depression according to ADDA.


Differences between ADD sub-types (http://www.add.org/articles/SimilaritiesandDifferencesBetweenADHDSubtypes.html )

Children in the different groups did not differ in how often they were diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Children with the combined type or inattentive type were more likely to be depressed than children with the hyperactive/impulsive subtype. ***End Quote

~Bold Mine~



BUT...somehow this post has managed to sway from an article about depressed intelects, to some strange toilet-gadget-thingy, and I think I even saw a post about the MGS series in here somewhere

I am sure you did . . . .please configure in the ADD factor . . .ADDers as a group tend to have a broader definition of "on topic" than other portions of the general population.

Some are more broad ADD topic minded than others, plus I believe the toilet pic was mine. . . .it was a response to SB's request for a happiness model / flushing all the world's money = my opinion.


SB feels happiness can be traced to the genetic chemical codes and exchanges along with a few other ideas thrown about here and there. . . . about ADD and thinking styles.

This should about do the dot connecting topic thing.



Intelligent and happy? Perhaps we are the missing link?

If depression is the link then I ain't missing a thing {IMHO}

Children in the different groups did not differ in how often they were diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Children with the combined type or inattentive type were more likely to be depressed than children with the hyperactive/impulsive subtype.

Hmm. Pure conjecture here, but possibly the inattentive types tend to be distracted more by internal stimuli, and so are more introspective, whereas the hyperactive and impulsive types tend to live in the moment more and leap into things spontaneously. So that sets the inattentives up for a predisposition to depression more than the hyperactives.

depression is just a thought

Children in the different groups did not differ in how often they were diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Children with the combined type or inattentive type were more likely to be depressed than children with the hyperactive/impulsive subtype.

Hmm. Pure conjecture here, but possibly the inattentive types tend to be distracted more by internal stimuli, and so are more introspective, whereas the hyperactive and impulsive types tend to live in the moment more and leap into things spontaneously. So that sets the inattentives up for a predisposition to depression more than the hyperactives.
More likely that the inattentiveness causes more "failure" in the eyes of our society. A fidgity or hyperactive person who can direct there attention is less likely to be told things like "they just need to apply themselves" or "it's not that she's not smart, she just doesn't seem to care". Combine that with the very real and socially meaningful things caused by inattention, like low grades, failing test scores and notes home, that can have a very significant impact on one's self-worth.

At least that's how it happened with me. The fact that I couldn't "do" anything to improve my situation or stuggle caused the loss of self-worth to turn into depression.

day 72 (72/3 = 24)
day 3 (s,m,tue)
date 13th
month 3
year 2007 (2007/3 = 669 669/3 ...)

depression is ...

mind (hi i'm little)
mind is a wheel which must turn ->-
o
... hardly any effort (neurotransmission required)

->- ->- ->- evolution leads to ->- ->- ->-

mind (hi i'm big)
mind is a wheel which must turn ->-
o
... loadsa' loadsa' effort (neurotransmission required)


...hmmm...
o 'must turn' requiring 'hardly any effort'
o 'must turn' requiring 'loadsa' effort'

Where does the loadsa' effort come from in the 'intelligent'

number 1.thinking complex dark thoughts of a dystopic reality
(mostly yes)
(ps - that's the reason why the intelligent are often depressed)

--but-- there's more ... of far greater merit

Where does the loadsa' effort come from in the 'intelligent'?

number 2.thinking deeply abstract thoughts about our reality - building a faithful copy of reality within our minds.
This just plain blows number 1. outta' the water.

Which is why the thoughtful philosopher tortoise wins the race.

But why not - well - plain succumb to Number 1.
I mean -yeah- it's not a lot of fun - but well it's kinda' doing the right thing.
Yeah! - let's be depressed - let's construct dark depressing views and worry about a reality which will never happen - yeah! - worry, anxiety, depression -- oh yeah! except
no
no
no no no
no no
no
no no no no no

Why? no???
Simple ...
these negative thoughts impede 'evolution'

And like, why should I care?
Simple ...
it's nice not to be feel all those horrible emotions, and to be happy

And like - shut up - you smelly pointlessly moralizing moron?
Now - now - I'm sure that there's a rule about flaming oneself

Get to the point you!
Well - left the best bit till the end - there's a kinda' bonus which one cannot appreciate from taking number 2 (over number 1) - a bonus which cannot be explained before number 2. has been taken and the bonus felt.

Right - words - Are you gonna' just spout hippy new age rubbish about being la la la la 'Summer of Love' happy and kissing your next door neighbour - even if he smells of home brew ... eh!!! You've one sentence before I tune you out Captain Boredom.

Hmmm...
I am objectionable today.

So 1 sentence ... eh???

OK - here goes ...ps ~1 sentence :-)

The evolution of mind from less to more complex structure, resulting from the need to 'handle' more information - does - it is true carry the 'con' of a hunger for information flow (stimulation, boredom aversion, data upload, energy upload, increased neural transmission) - but the 'pro(s)' are something just a little special - forgive me - but - this is the only way I know how - noting that the meaning is locked away in the increased data flow from RRReality through our senses into our centre ... ... ...

So imagine - light becomes lighter - and everything around shines - reflecting the beauty - a new found beauty - which one can barely believe existed before - night and day - all colours - better - and resolution - oh my! we see even the smallest - the lightest change in hue ... and then there's music - the rapture felt, as the highest quality in every sense of music engulfs ... ....
... everything heightened - deeper - more intense - but not that dark intensity - more the velvet intensity - of diving deeper onto a duvet - and no matter how hard one falls - expecting the itchy scratch of material against skin - but no matter how hard one forces oneself into the velvet embrace - the harder one forces oneself down - the
~softer~
... the feel of material against skin.

Bad feelings dissipate - there is now
*of course* little point
- those negative thoughts banished - of no utility
... the hunger which feeds them appeased.

There is no 'boring' now.

Just awe as the connection to nature which we sold when we gained mind - is bought back.

~back to the garden~ - some would say
... I say
and they said
and they'd be
correct
as per
{{{}}}

The heart and mind are balanced in this place.

That balance is the goal - of many practices.

And oh my!

That balance is worth the wait.

It's kinda' - and I'll leave biochemistry out - here :-) ...
but well ...

... let's just say that the mind has gained the capacity to fabricate some rather fine chemicals - which are the agents of happiness - and it doesn't take much to realise that the harsh (but not really) mechanistic truth behind everything which I've just described - is merely that ... a mechanism which is harnessed - when the internal rrreality structure is set in a certain complex form of structure - the attraction of evolution felt through that 'chemical romance'
- but chill guy -
... in the moment, for the moment ...

... I see no reason :-)
... ... why we can't look at this process through our own eyes
... ... ... after gaining the all important knowledge that all of this
real cool stuff
is a byproduct of an evolutionary process which applies to all things - and not just man.

... our instantiation.

It really is that important.
The story of man has been the story of the ascent which we have been describing herein.

And from this place - I can see why; it's 'omg' unbelievable.

And 'love' fits - agape is the feeling.

:-)

... please ...

why'd I lie?

ps

'doors of perception'
... floodgates of perception after some freakin' drought

->- open

Aldous

you the man!

... but can I call you Al'

... i mean dous does n't dous yous joustice guy freak ...

:-)

why'd I lie? ... actually - there is a bit of a downer in all of this - life in a world which fails to recognize all of this.

geeze - I am fundamentally incapable of doing anything which I think is boring.
Of course - it is pointless, one should be bored when faced with a pointless task - but it's true legacy world does demand it of us.

I can't stand insurance, or keeping boxes for things in case they need to be returned or taxes or phoning people - or heck!!!

... boredom aversion - my oh my!

Tams - you wanna' see how BAD I've become
- SB ... yes ... So BAD (boredom aversion disorder) ...
... if only momma and poppa could see that I'm so BAD and yet not ~so~ bad.

... :-) cheeky wikkle wiggly words - yuz playin' wid me agin -

... for the record cheeky wikkle wiggly semantically confused 1:n words - ->-I-<- play with ->-you.

'capisch'

- hmmm... no, me neither
- try a dictionary wikkle wiggly dude.

And of course the problems which we face - reasons of translation - problems in communication - to a large extent - the reaction to different layers of abstraction employing the same words - but differently.

Words - reused - just like the exaptative adaptations we've been surfin' USA.

atomic diatoms with nuclear nuclei in fission fused confusion

Ode to joy !!!

Did I ever mention rrreality RRReality -?-
... tell ya' - join my campaign to give one of these big bois a new name.

How about 'Riddick rrreality' and 'Roger(s) RRReality'.

And yes
... Riddick ~did~ frame
Roger(s) RRReality

... and Jessica's middle name was Kay.

:-)

maybe. maybe (just) maybe.

I don't think intelligence = depression. I think it has most to do with genes and circumstance / environment. No matter how smart you are (or aren't), ADD seems to make life harder for most that live with it. There are the lucky ones with high energy and high IQ's that shoot off in the right direction (I know 4 just off the top of my head that are incredibly successful). Then there are others that are lucky enough to be nudged toward / stumble upon a situation that is synergistic with their ADD. And then there are a lot of us that get lost in the shuffle of a society that is geared towards linear "men of action" (to steal from Dostoevsky). I for one, am totally and absolutely lost. I graduated from college with a degree finance and a grad degree in accounting. I really have no idea how or why I did that. I didn't know anything about ADD at the time, so I just bounced along in college- procrastinating like I wanted my name next to the word in the dictionary. So, I was pushed through the "normal system," and after 5 years of accounting I've totally called it quits. I've been overwhelmed and unable to get a job or start in another direction for 10 months. I can see how the "normal" world can **** up anyone with ADD (or any other limiting mental illness). I've always suffered from depression and anxiety, which both exist in high levels with those who have ADD. Btw, SB UK, I wish you could put your replies in little .zip files for those that want to read them. I no doubt lack the intellect to decipher them. :)

I've heard people try to link intelligence to many different conditions. I've heard people say that schizophrenics are really smart, drug addicts are really smart, bipolars are really smart, ADHDers are really smart, and so on.

I do not believe there is a connection between intelligence and depression. Like someone else pointed out, stupid people can feel emotions too. I think genes and life circumstances are the main causes of depression. I think it's pretty silly to romanticize depression or any other condition or illness.

Does it not say in the Bible that if you increase knowledge you increase grief (sorry about the translation, I do not have an english language Bible close by)

Otherwise,

Maybe we are sad because we know the truth (whatever that is)

My husband is a genius and is often depression. His IQ is 155+. He is a genius among other Mensa members. I can't even imagine. He isn't ADHD but I wonder if he is ADD. He has been dx bipolar II as well.

He calls his intelligence a curse not a gift.

He has dropped out of a full ride masters program, a full ride PHD program in computational linguistics. He went to peace corp though. I was his RA and convinced him because I knew he needed to work on his "social domain" He did! It helped. I ended up marrying him four years later!

It has been a very very tough road. He has lost many jobs due to his depression. His depression is because he feels he has not worked to his potential. All of his life he was told he will be "this or that". He tells me that schools need to stress to gifted kids that they should be whatever they want to whether it's a policeman, teacher, clerk, secretary, car detailer, professor...it shouldn't matter. That is what made him so darn depressed, not living up to other peoples opinions of what he should have become instead of being happy. Although, he is rarely challenged in his jobs and he really wants challenge.

I don't have that "problem"

Great point lostmykeys. Feeling the need to live up to other peoples expectations is a true killer. The endless comparisons and judgments (by others and yourself) can make you feel like a failure. You should be able to choose what makes you happy regardless of what society thinks your supposed talents should bring you.

Maybe this is too simplistic, but I always thought that intelligent people were unhappy because they saw all the problems that less intelligent people overlooked. The phrase, ignorance is bliss, is quite true among a lot of people. The intelligent are constantly thinking and analyzing situations in life and seeing all of the negative things that people that just kind of float through life blindly don't have to see.

I am sure you did . . . .please configure in the ADD factor . . .ADDers as a group tend to have a broader definition of "on topic" than other portions of the general population.

Some are more broad ADD topic minded than others, plus I believe the toilet pic was mine. . . .it was a response to SB's request for a happiness model / flushing all the world's money = my opinion.


SB feels happiness can be traced to the genetic chemical codes and exchanges along with a few other ideas thrown about here and there. . . . about ADD and thinking styles.

This should about do the dot connecting topic thing.


Thank you!

I thought I was intelligent until I clicked in to this thread. I think I'll bookmark it and come back to it once a month. Once I can come back and read it without skimming, I will know my work in concentrating is paying off.

No disrespect intended, honestly. Just got really confused and I'm not used to being confused. :)

depression is just a thought

Wow, hope that was a joke!

Why Intelligent people are not happy..

because the more intelligent one is,
the more sure one becomes of what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'.

Intelligence puts clear space between 'right' and 'wrong'.

If you are forced to do something which is 'wrong' and you are more sure than another less intelligent individual that your act is 'wrong' -
then you'll make yourself feel more pain.

So - just to throw in that we have a major problem in our society, because it isn't intelligence but aggression which leads to success in many areas -
aggression isn't intelligent -
and so intelligent people end up working for stupid people.

What then folows is that stupid people make intelligent people do stupid things -
intelligent people then go mad.

That's all there is to it -
we've a society in which ignorant loud mouthed idiots prosper -
and intelligent quiet people are abused.

Our current society is in an absolute confound with intelligence.

Generally intelligence also runs a parallel with sensitivity -
- imagine a sensitive soul in the presence of your average gorilla boss -
and shortly thereafter you'll be imagining the sensitive chap off work from depression.

I know this story.

~btw~
ignorant bosses often come across as bullies even when they're not bullying -
this is a problem -
- because ultimately we need to consider whether the individual is feeling as though he's being bullied -
- and not whether the other guy is bullying with express intent (that's essentially irrelevant).

Why Intelligent people are not happy..

because the more intelligent one is,
the more sure one becomes of what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'.

Intelligence puts clear space between 'right' and 'wrong'.

If you are forced to do something which is 'wrong' and you are more sure than another less intelligent individual that your act is 'wrong' -
then you'll make yourself feel pain.

So - just to throw in that we have a major problem in our society, because it isn't intelligence but aggression which leads to success in many areas -
aggression isn't intelligent -
and so intelligent people end up working for stupid people.

What then folows is that stupid people make intelligent people do stupid things -
intelligent people then go mad.

That's all there is to it -
we've a society in which ignorant loud mouthed idiots prosper -
and intelligent quiet people are abused.

Our current society is in an absolute confound with intelligence.

Generally intelligence also runs a parallel with sensitivity -
- imagine a sensitive soul in the presence of your average gorilla boss -
and shortly thereafter you'll be imagining the sensitive chap off work from depression.

I know this story.

I read through that whole post! :D

I read through that whole post! :D

me too. :p

me too. :p

:D

I think you're going to be like my Yoda and you can train me to focus long enough to write a post like that! :)