I have always said that I feel what I hear, feel what I see, and say what I feel. Too much elaboration complicates the simplicity of the matter. No wonder we are confused ~ "just get to the point is my motto," because I get confused when there are too many distractions of colorful elaboration in a conversation. Why do people think that is anti-social?<O:p</O:p

Simple, the majority of people don't have ADD! Well, maybe not, but I think it is a factor.

I also have a very "to the point" type of attitude. I often find that I end a conversation when I think there is nothing more to say, yet it feels slightly uncomfortable, like I should be saying more but if I did, I would just be making up meaningless stuff and both mine and the other person's time would be better spent on something more productive. Seems anti-social to some, but to me, I have said what I needed to, the other person has had ample time to say what they had to say and then I feel it is time to move on to something else.

The "get to the point" attitude is a real pain when trying to write my thesis as I need to get 80 pages out of about 20 pages of solid information. Why do I need to elaborate more? I already said it! I am having a ton of difficulty right now taking the points from my outline and making entire comprehensible paragraphs out of it! Just shows that for me anyway, this type of thing does affect more than just social interactions.

"Anti-social" = violence, hurting animals, setting fires, stealing, chronic lying.

I think you are looking for another word.

Amythyst I understand what you mean about ending conversations. I feel like a dork when it happens but really I don't have anything else to say. I would say that makes me inept in social situations.

Can you imagine if everybody got to the point - especially with work. There would be so much more time to get things accomplished!

in·ept /ɪnˈɛpt, ɪˈnɛpt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation ("]Pronunciation Key[/url] - ept[/b], i-nept] Show IPA Pronunciation ("]Pronunciation Key - [url=") –adjective <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="dn" valign="top">1.</td> <td valign="top">without skill or aptitude for a particular task or assignment; maladroit: He is inept at mechanical tasks. She is inept at dealing with people. </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="dn" valign="top">2.</td> <td valign="top">generally awkward or clumsy; haplessly incompetent. </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="dn" valign="top">3.</td> <td valign="top">inappropriate; unsuitable; out of place. </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="dn" valign="top">4.</td> <td valign="top">absurd or foolish: an inept remark. </td></tr></tbody></table>

"Anti-social" = violence, hurting animals, setting fires, stealing, chronic lying.

I think you are looking for another word.Thank you for the dictionary meaning. In such an esteemed guru status, one would think you'd provide some substantial input as to the possible word that would 'correctly' describe what I was attempting to convey.

lol... getting to the point, at work, with sensitivity of course. I have been sent to 'how to be nice' training, because the working environment consists of don't do as I do, but do as you are told.

You are a charm. Thank you for your colorful personality.

lol... getting to the point, at work, with sensitivity of course. I have been sent to 'how to be nice' training, because the working environment consists of don't do as I do, but do as you are told.

You are a charm. Thank you for your colorful personality.LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!

"Anti-social" = violence, hurting animals, setting fires, stealing, chronic lying.

I think you are looking for another word.how about unsociable (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/antisocial)? i understand what you all mean. frill-free, get to the point-ism. as a lot of us seem to be.

I don't consider "get-to-the-pointism" unsociable, inept, or otherwise inappropriate, but then again I have ADHD *and* I'm originally from New York!

When my family first moved to California, we couldn't understand, in work environments, why everyone had to do the social chit chat thing before getting the the point! Drove my mother nuts! And she doesn't have ADHD!

It struck us as a symptom of the "laid-back California syndrome," and it took years to get adjusted!

No advice here, just commiseration.

Good luck,
mom23

lol... thanks. Yeah, why get down to the logistics of being politically or grammatically correct ~ "getting to the F_cking point with relative grace and style."

Hey Willow,

It's understandable that you're a bit irritated by the semantic nit-picking, but I was acutally confused when I read the thread title. My thoughts went so far as to think, "why would an anti-social person even care?" until I figured it out. Maybe I'm the only one, but I have a very literal brain.

I also do unsociable things like ignore people in the room that don't have anything to do with my purpose in that room. I don't make superficial/meaningless chit-chat, or if I do it feels incredibly painful and forced. One trick I've come up with is to pretend like I'm interested in someone and what she has to say, and soon enough I actually find it interesting. The problem is I then might get too interested and then freak the person out by my intensity. Oh well.

Getting lost in the details I believe is an ADD thing because each new thought adds five other thoughts whereas for more linier thinkers each new thought is simply added to the pervious thoughts.

A simple example would be “weather speaking”

Some thing like “nice weather we are having to day”

Non-ADD brain thinks about the mild temperature and how comfortable it is then is able to quickly return to “home base”

ADD brain thinks about todays weather compares it to yesterdays which was hotter which sparks a memory of a trip to the beach last month which continues on with memory of Sam one of the people who went to the beach trip and . . . . . .home base what home base our brain doesn’t seem to have one some times.

This is how it works for me any way. I prefer to stick to the details in my external world because too much detail in the external world will get the internal world going in to many different directions. The non-ADD brain is able to automatically return to the present where as many ADD brains go AWOL. To avoid having my brain go AWOL I want just the facts.


I also tend to be impatient knowing I could loose interest in the conversation or task without warning at any time I feel the need to get all exchanges and task done yesterday or I know they may never get done at all. For me it is kind of like a built in coping method designed to keep me on task or topic.


This knowledge about my self combined with the understanding not every one is like me allows me to have more patience with those who are able to engage in small talk. In situation where I disengage to prevent distraction I simply explain that I get distracted too easily by small talk and need all mental energies to remain focused on { insert task} I am not seen as unsocial nearly as often because I take responsibility for my own behavior while offering a brief explanation as to my "unsocial" response.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for elaborating further, so that I can understand your point of view. I guess I have been labeled a lot of things, from people who do not have the 'adversities' many of may struggle with. I looked up in the dictionary under anti-social and it did list rebellious. I thought, I am definately that.

I have actually come to that point of listening long enough to another person and am enlightened and amazed when they have something interesting to say. Of course, those who know me, know my style and are not 'offended.' To the unsuspecting I am patient to a degree. When it really comes down to it, I am amazed at the things I do learn from others if I just kept an open mind. The growing up in public is quite the adventure.

Thank you, for providing your perception. How I am finding out that these little 'quirks' of mine truly do have rhyme and reason.

For me, I don't understand something, unless I can feel it. Even if it is in abstract form. That seems to be the connection I have to make to relate to others and remember.

My daughters have had to grow up with a mother that people call 'a no nonsense kind of mother.' I believe that my personality style has definately empowered them to stand up for their belief. In addition, they each have their own sensitive, caring, compassionate sides.

There's no need to be rude to me, Willow.

Maybe you are having a bad day, but there's no need to take it out on other innocent people. (e.g. You mocking me as a 'Guru' in Post #6)

It's not my fault if you don't like the true definition of the word "anti-social".

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Nothing rude about it, just making a statement. If you got offended, I think it is your own issue. I do not believe any of us are innocent, nor can claim to be a victim. I just wrongfully thought you had more to offer then a correction of my choice of words used. I am open to the input of those open to share their experience, strength and hope, and closed minded to the curt abrupt public correction of a thread I had posted. (Edited by Admin)

Ladies and gentleman can we all take a deep breath and try to see the other person’s point of view.

I can see where coming on to person's thread and correcting their use of a word may not seem to supportive.

I can also see where being openly told surly you have more to offer than a dictionary definition followed by the term forum guru could lead me to feel attacked as well.

I do not believe there was ever a malice intent by either party however both may be struggling with a touch of impulsiveness that lead to a misunderstanding.

Pembroke used to have a signature that I modified inside my own mind which I often use as a reminder when I feel offended. . .it has prevented me from lighting a torch and flaming another on more than one occasion. . . . .never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by ADD impulsiveness. . .

From wikipedia (not the most trusted of sources, yet often accurate nonetheless).....
"Anti-social behavior is often seen as public behaviour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour) that lacks judgement and consideration for others and may cause them or their property damage....In common parlance, antisocial often has a significantly different meaning and is used to describe those who perceived to be excessively introverted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introversion_and_extroversion). Though technically an incorrect definition of the antisocial behaviour, this use has become increasingly common."

Perhaps this is the root of the misunderstanding here?

Is it time for a group hug here?

Perhaps this is the root of the misunderstanding here?

Is it time for a group hug here?:eek: I think so..

it's so difficult to gauge the persons *feelings* sometimes..what they meant to say, can sound totally different..

onwards and upwards :p over the bridge..etc etc :faint:

I believe there is more than one dictionary definition of the word anti-social based on the information found Dictonary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Anti-social)

Dictonary.com would indicate both queenU's definition Willow’s are correct.

Definition 1

against the welfare of the community etc

definition 2

not wanting the company of others

Both Willow and QueenU were correct in their definition and usage of this word . I do not believe it was the definition of the word itself that caused the problem.

I believe this may have been avoided by the use of "I" statements. . . . . by saying I define the word as {two cats licking the same spoon} it is not a word I would use to define myself although I can understand the tendency to be impulsively abrupt because I do not realize how it may sound to others.

" I " statements communicate my willingness to take responsibility for my own thoughts thus creating less of a feeling of accusation in the people to whom I am responding.

Impulsive communication = is one area where ADDF has helped me immensely. . . using a message board we do not have to converse in real time. It matters very little if I respond in ten seconds, ten minutes or even ten hours. . .possibly up to ten days? Because my audience isn't standing in front of my face expecting a response in under an hour I can take the time to consider different ways of saying stuff.

Because I have dyslexia I type 1000 times slower than I speak. It takes me an hour to write a post this size. I have a lot more time to consider my response in an hour of typing than I do in the tenth of a second it takes me to :foot: . I also copy and paste what I am responding to in word {so I can remember} and type my response in there. . .if I did not have dyslexia I doubt I would still be a member here much less a moderator.

What dyslexia does for me can be artificially created by any one who is willing to type out there response and wait a minute {ten if you are angry} then re-read what is being said to you and your response. . . do so out loud so you can hear your own voice {I have to do this for proper sentence structure} This will not eliminate all error in communication however I believe it will assist all with a good portion of impulsive posting. Once I learned how much of a difference a hesitation makes in my ability to communicate I was more able to apply it to my verbal responses in face to face conversations.

Which ever so nicely lands us right back on the topic of this thread percieved anti-social interactions.

I believe there is more than one dictionary definition of the word anti-social based on the information found Dictonary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Anti-social)

Dictonary.com would indicate both queenU's definition Willow’s are correct.

Definition 1

against the welfare of the community etc

definition 2

not wanting the company of others

Both Willow and QueenU were correct in their definition and usage of this word . I do not believe it was the definition of the word itself that caused the problem.

I believe this may have been avoided by the use of "I" statements. . . . . by saying I define the word as {two cats licking the same spoon} it is not a word I would use to define myself although I can understand the tendency to be impulsively abrupt because I do not realize how it may sound to others.

" I " statements communicate my willingness to take responsibility for my own thoughts thus creating less of a feeling of accusation in the people to whom I am responding.

Impulsive communication = is one area where ADDF has helped me immensely. . . using a message board we do not have to converse in real time. It matters very little if I respond in ten seconds, ten minutes or even ten hours. . .possibly up to ten days? Because my audience isn't standing in front of my face expecting a response in under an hour I can take the time to consider different ways of saying stuff.

Because I have dyslexia I type 1000 times slower than I speak. It takes me an hour to write a post this size. I have a lot more time to consider my response in an hour of typing than I do in the tenth of a second it takes me to :foot: . I also copy and paste what I am responding to in word {so I can remember} and type my response in there. . .if I did not have dyslexia I doubt I would still be a member here much less a moderator.

What dyslexia does for me can be artificially created by any one who is willing to type out there response and wait a minute {ten if you are angry} then re-read what is being said to you and your response. . . do so out loud so you can hear your own voice {I have to do this for proper sentence structure} This will not eliminate all error in communication however I believe it will assist all with a good portion of impulsive posting. Once I learned how much of a difference a hesitation makes in my ability to communicate I was more able to apply it to my verbal responses in face to face conversations.

Which ever so nicely lands us right back on the topic of this thread percieved anti-social interactions.huh :eek: :faint: LOL..it's late and I am trying to follow...I'm sure you make sense but my head is all over the joint :eek: I wish I could post that well..:o

I'm sure you make sense but my head is all over the joint

Girl some times I am not even sure I make sense -LOL!

I am not even touching the joint = my medication are like very gone at this hour.

I was not out of line in the usage of my wording, 'guru.' As the label of "ADDvanced Furmum Guru" is listed under that individuals name. For example, I contacted Andrew as to the title of "jr member" after I was on site for a bit. I was confused as to whether I was missing out on additional benefits of this site and was suppose to become a paying member before my label indicate 'member.' It obviously is a process of learning the proper protocol of this site. Rest assured my usage of 'guru' will not be used so in the future.

Thank you for the "can't we all just get along" perspective. Ok, feel good point well taken. Also, it is refreshing to see that those who came to the intervention of this matter, truly have the best interest of this site at hand.

true... and throwing a bunch of ADDer's in cyberspace and expecting them to understand one another and get along... a tall order. Thanks for your input.

lol... I follow you. Thank you for your perspective of the matter at hand and openness and willingness to take both sides into account. I don't think we are all here, because we have been known for our good behavior. It is most eye opening to see, when the sarcasm is removed, the meaning remains. I don't claim to know more then I know about this condition. I am not book smart, suave or very knowledgeable of it. I am new to the realization that my behaviors; good, bad, ugly or indifferent have a contributing factor of ADD. An invalueble phrase a friends tell me all time is, "Until you knew better, did you do better." I am here for the supportive environment and an understanding that I am not insane... just passionate of my feelings.

How easily things can get outta control?? Looking at the posts I can see both sides... but saying that..its easier to see things clearly when ur a bystander..

Thank you for the "can't we all just get along" perspective. Ok, feel good point well taken. Also, it is refreshing to see that those who came to the intervention of this matter, truly have the best interest of this site at hand.

Well willow you are as much part of this community as any one else and your best interest are in there as well.



It is most eye opening to see, when the sarcasm is removed, the meaning remains.

Good insight = right on!!!

I know many ADDers who complain of not thinking about good comebacks until 15 minutes after the conversation. . . well that isn’t me I am the ADDer who wishes she had not thought of the good come backs while in the conversation. My foot frequents my mouth. . . :foot: . . especially when riled up about some thing,






I am here for the supportive environment and an understanding that I am not insane... just passionate of my feelings.

I am the same way. . . . so I understand.

I alleviate much of my desire for “stimulating conversation” through debates so I get out the need to be challenging in a more acceptable manner. So when I begin to find my self wanting to counter some one’s claim just to get into a more stimulating conversation then I know I need to find myself a good debate. This is a personal preference and I understand not all share it.

Being here on a message board among people who are interested in a supportive environment plus learning I do not have to reply immediately has really helped me a lot in dealing with my verbally impulsive issues I have in the “real world” . . . . . I can’t claim a 100% cure {my mouth still operates} but I do have more insight that has allowed for a noticeable improvement. Some times learning to deal with impulsive responses is finding out the triggers and learning new responses to them .

Hey if I can improve any one can. . . . . ;)

True... I guess that is the the downfall of the written word. It avails all the interpretation as they perceive it be, which is not necessarily the way it was intended. lol... I bet it is better to be the bystander then the one right in the mix of it all.

I know many ADDers who complain of not thinking about good comebacks until 15 minutes after the conversation. . . well that isn’t me I am the ADDer who wishes she had not thought of the good come backs while in the conversation. My foot frequents my mouth. . . :foot: . . especially when riled up about some thing, I have never had difficulties in comebacks... I came to think it was innate or something. I have had to consider the consequences and STILL ultimately found myself cleaning up the mess after the fact.



Hey if I can improve any one can. . . . . ;)I shall use this as a testament ;) that there is hope for me... as many, thus far, have been witness to a degree of my personality on this site. Ok, insertion of sarcasm... I just can't stand, what I perceive as, condesending remarks.

I have an analogy that will help to answer this question.

Some people (men, people from the Northeast, usually) tend to be goal-directed in their conversation. To these folks, conversation is kind of like a soccer game. There is a specific goal, and the "topic" is the ball. Getting the ball through the goal is the equivalent of imparting all the necessary facts in order to convey a specific point. When the goal is reached, game over, or move on to another "goal."

To this person, tangents, details, etc, are like people kicking the goal all over the field aimlessly. WHY, they think? It's frustrating to kick the ball all over the place. What's the POINT?

To people who are more relationally based (women, Southerners, for example, not always but as a rule), a conversation is more like a leisurely stroll along a beautiful path on a sunny day. The conversation is a vehicle for creating and maintaining relational intimacy. The talking is kind of like the stroll. Yes, there is probably a "destination," but the POINT of the conversation is the sharing and the closeness. The "facts" are not the primary point of the conversation, and, when both people communicate like this, there is enormous pleasure derived from the conversation. Yes, information is imparted -- but the connecting is the point. When a person starts to rush to get to the "point," it's like strolling with someone who starts running to get to the end of the path . . . it's disconcerting because it's not supposed to be a race! And it destroys the whole point and sucks the pleasure out of it.

The problem is when one person is playing soccer and the other person is taking a Sunday stroll. One is desperately searching to "get the ball to the goal," and feels very uncomfortable and "lost" in the conversation. The soccer player is constantly trying to steer the other person to the goal, while the stroller feels hurried and manipulated and doesn't understand why the other person can't just relax and relate.

This, I think, is a common source of marital strife (however, Willow, you seem to relate in a way that is more typical of men, so it may not be for you!) It is also the reason that many Northerners are considered rude by Southerners, and Southerners considered slow by Northerners.

lol... you thoroughly amuse me in your analogy. Not to be disrespectful in the least. Touchy, a stroll in the park conversation that leaves one complete and feel good? Well, I am from the South, New Mexico. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, does that mean I am out of my element? I always felt my soul left my body and has to be in NYC or some major metropolitan location. I love BIG cities and being in the core of the hustle and bustle.

Your analogy is male based in giving the game point advantage view. I hate sports... lol, and hate the concept of chasing a ball (golf, bowling, base, tennis, basket, or soccor) from one side of the field to the other. I am prone to boxing... something that is to the point and gets down to business. One knows the objective... to take the opponent down.

Thanks for the nice walk in the park.

Weeping Willow, I had a psychologist ask me once, if I liked her sweater... it was something an older person would wear. it was a mock turtle neck and it was knit.

I was 20 and told her " it looks good on you." She laughed and said to me, "Christine, you are too honest."

Sometimes we need to hold our thoughts to ourrrrrrrrrrrselves. There are many times on the bus that I get involved in a conversation and then there other time I stay out.


I remember I was coming home from a night class, a father and child were up front sitting I was in the back. This child you could tell was tired. The father pull off his belt and threatened the child. I got off when he did. yes I did, and made a comment to how he could have stopped his child from crying. He had no idea, no idea how to handle childdren, he could have been dealt with from his parents. I hope to this day he didnt hit the child. I dont think he did either the way this child responed to me and his crying stopped. So I think with sometimes we need to get involvoed.

Ididnt approach him defensively, I approached him in a questioning manner... I have the answer do you want it approach...


I family believe that in the family if you have a problem with someone you lay all the card on the table.... you can do that with close people... in a nondefensive manner.

Sometimes we need to hold our thoughts to ourrrrrrrrrrrselves.Believe me, this has been a life long process for me, that I am finally becoming aware of. Maybe an appropriate word to have used would be ~ insensitive vs. anti-social. I battle societial and cutural norms and expectations placed on females of others misinformed faulty perceptions and stereotypes. Am I suppose to conduct myself in a certain way because I am a female, or should I have a different expectation of a male?

It is interesting how everyone is looking around at the conduct of others, and my question is do they do as the say, or are they a do not what I do, but as I say.

Do the male and female w/ADD have to fit within certain standards, or do we all just battle the determined conduct that is expected?

I have never had difficulties in comebacks... I came to think it was innate or something. I have had to consider the consequences and STILL ultimately found myself cleaning up the mess after the fact.

Yep that is me as well, although it takes a while to get me annoyed, I am not easily offended probably due to my profession. However once irritated insults and cut downs seem as if they fly out of my mouth.

Some times I come off as being sarcastic or “cold” when that isn’t even my intent. Weather writing or speaking I tend to leave out little words that do not seem important to me but help others more fully understand my intended tone.




as many, thus far, have been witness to a degree of my personality on this site. Ok, insertion of sarcasm... I just can't stand, what I perceive as, condescending remarks

I understand and you are right on top of where I began making the changes that have helped me the most. I began teaching myself how to give people the benefit of a doubt. Another important thing I have taught myself is when in doubt ask. . . I mean directly ask the person “Are you trying to talk down to me?” ;Was that meant to be sarcasm?” or Can you clarify the intent of “_____________”

I am still fairly impulsive even on medications however the medication has cleared up some of the external over whelm and frees up some “RAM” so that I can consciously acknowledge I am irritated and why. . . .this allows me to be fully honest and direct giving the other person a chance to clarify before I verbally mow them over. In my experience apx 80% will either hit the verbal reverse or deny the intention of rudeness.

Of the 20% who either become more sarcastic or offended because I dare to ask will often get exactly what they are asking for so this isn’t a 100% confrontation free method. Jerks still get told off but this method does greatly decrease my guilt feelings due to verbally assaulting the innocent. It decreases the number of times I react poorly to my own misinterpretation. An improvement for me.



This, I think, is a common source of marital strife (however, Willow, you seem to relate in a way that is more typical of men, so it may not be for you!) It is also the reason that many Northerners are considered rude by Southerners, and Southerners considered slow by Northerners.

Excellent point. I have been told this before. In other on-line communities where my gender is not known it is normally assumed I an male. In debates I am often referred to as “dude”. . . . . .


Your analogy is male based in giving the game point advantage view. I hate sports... lol, and hate the concept of chasing a ball (golf, bowling, base, tennis, basket, or soccor) from one side of the field to the other. I am prone to boxing... something that is to the point and gets down to business. One knows the objective... to take the opponent down

Kick boxing is the bomb (IMHO)



Do you have any hyper / impulsive ADD traits by any chance. You have an awful lot in common with me and I am hyperactive / impulsive ADD sub-type.

Weeping Willow, I had a psychologist ask me once, if I liked her sweater... it was something an older person would wear. it was a mock turtle neck and it was knit.

I was 20 and told her " it looks good on you." She laughed and said to me, "Christine, you are too honest."

I do not understand this logic at all, if your psychologist did not want to know what you thought of her sweater than she should not have asked you. . ..I find the encouragement of lying via the chastisement of your honesty to be the crux of much the stupidity that causes our society to be so dysfunctional.

My upbringing has much to do with this. In my family we have some thing called the “Robbins Rule” . . . .the Robbins rule goes like this

“If you do NOT want to know the answer then do NOT ask the question. Some one in our family will tell you just what they think. ”


It is really that simple and in my opinion closer to a functional approach because it places responsibility upon the person asking the question to determine with in their self weather or not they really want to know what we truly think. The added bonus is what ever the answer it will be a truthful one, As a family we do not play mind games it requires too much of an attention span and is basically a waste of time.

If we learned to tolerate honestly we would not have to tolerate so much dishonesty . . .again a neurodiverse perspective that is hardly dysfunctional.

Mind games are BS. . .if every one put up with less BS then there would be less of it to put up with. . . . I refuse to conform to a manner in which I find immoral and moronic.



I battle societial and cutural norms and expectations placed on females of others misinformed faulty perceptions and stereotypes. Am I suppose to conduct myself in a certain way because I am a female, or should I have a different expectation of a male?

It is interesting how everyone is looking around at the conduct of others, and my question is do they do as the say, or are they a do not what I do, but as I say.

Do the male and female w/ADD have to fit within certain standards, or do we all just battle the determined conduct that is expected?
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Agreed. . . . .I vote to strive toward healthy changes myself . . .optimist perhaps but an honest one.


I think gender typing is stupid. Although I have learned through a thread I began in men with ADD titled “Big boys who don’t cry grow up to be men” that much of our own internal expectations of our selves are society driven. Some of us are unable to conform no matter how hard we try so we are left asking questions as to the logic of all this social expectations. Why expect any thing at all from some one whom you do not know? I do not have preconceived notions of how other are supposed to be and I resent others trying to place their preconceived notions upon me.

I have no preconceived notions of agreement or disagreement as to my points presented in my post. I believe some will lean toward agreement while others will disagree completely . . . .

Do you have any hyper / impulsive ADD traits by any chance. You have an awful lot in common with me and I am hyperactive / impulsive ADD sub-type
I am just now finding out I may have ADD. There were so many similarities I am finding out, about self, on this site and on reading various threads. I think my mind is hyper and impulsive, but through life lessons and experiences I have learned where that has gotten me. When I was 19 I had a thought it would be cool to live in Montana or Seattle. Two weeks later I found myself in Seattle, and thinking about what I had done. I made the best of it and lived life carefree for 6 mos. I see ads on tv... like some product that will clean all the grime off my bathtub tile... I buy it... have I used it yet? No. But it seemed like a good idea at the time. I buy all kinds of exercise equipment (gadgets) from tv. My daughter has told me, "as long as I have know you, you are aways buying exercise things off tv." I just reply... "you have known me all your life." I still have yet to let either of my children about my impending diagnosis (my testing is May 24th). They just have grown up with a mom that is on the edge of 'normal?'