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HardyHar
03-22-07, 05:58 PM
found this article about why messy desks are better than neat and organized desks. Now that my clutter is justified I absolutely refuse to clean it. To all my coworkers that comment about my messy desk...

UP YOURS!!!!


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Clutter and mess trump clean and neat

By Ellen WulfhorstMon Mar 19, 6:07 PM ET



Karen Jackson would be the first to admit her desk looks like a disaster area.

Her stacks of papers and photographs are so sloppy that the Texas schoolteacher won first place in a contest to find America's messiest desk.

Sponsored by publisher Little, Brown and Co., the competition promoted "A Perfect Mess: The Hidden Benefits of Disorder," by Eric Abrahamson and David Freedman, a new book that argues neatness is overrated, costs money, wastes time and quashes creativity.

"We think that being more organized and ordered and neat is a good thing and it turns out, that's not always the case," said Freedman.

"Most of us are messy, and most of us are messy at a level that works very, very well for us," he said in an interview. "In most cases, if we got a lot neater and more organized, we would be less effective."

That's true, said Rochelle Wilson, 57, of Moville, Iowa, whose messy desk earned her a runner-up spot in the contest, in which 50 entries were judged by the book's authors.

She says she hasn't recovered since an incident when members of her family tried to clean up her mess.

"I still haven't really found where the stuff really is," she said. "There were some Girl Scout cookies from last year in that room. Now it's time for some new cookies, and I don't even know where my old ones are."

Barry Izsak, head of the National Association of Professional Organizers, disputes the authors' claims, saying they oversimplify and confuse mess with disorganization.

"The bottom line is, the average person feels negatively affected by disorganization in many ways: increased stress, missed deadlines, lost opportunities, that sinking, drowning feeling," Izsak said. "For the average person, disorganization and chaos simply doesn't feel good."

The group also argues that messes are costly, citing research showing that a company employing 1,000 knowledge workers, who primarily handle information, wastes $48,000 per week, or nearly $2.5 million per year, due to an inability to locate and retrieve information.

"When you're disorganized, it's an expense you have no control over, the cost in lost productivity," Izsak said. "You're losing money if you're not organized."

MODERN MESS

Freedman argues that it is neatness that is expensive.

"People who are really, really neat, between what it takes to be really neat at the office and at home, typically will spend anywhere from an hour to four hours a day just organizing and neatening," he said.

Yet messy people are often cast in a negative light. In one study cited by NAPO, two-thirds of respondents believed workers with messy desks were seen as less career-driven than their neater colleagues.

"If you walk into my office at home, you would think, 'Oh my God, something just exploded in that room,"' said Jackson, the contest winner. "But it's an organized mess. It's a mess I made, and I know where everything is."



Messiness has overtaken neatness as modern lives have changed, the book argues. Many women used to be at home, cleaning up, rather than working outside the house, while jobs used to be simpler and more linear with less multi-tasking.

Hunting through messy piles has its value, Freedman says. "You discover things that, if you had filed things or containerized them or purged them, you never would have seen them again. It becomes a natural reminder system," he said.


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gstien
03-22-07, 06:36 PM
I knew I was with the in crowd!
I know where everything is.
And if I don't, that panic of thinking I lost it is good for the heart. LOL

meadd823
03-22-07, 07:31 PM
Neatness and messiness are al in the eye of the beholder. I dated a man who could be deemed messy mmmmm my present partner is also kind of messy.

However I have noticed that each have their own version of organization. My former boyfriend always put things together according to shape, which mean you may find his tooth brush in the same container as his pencils.

Present male partner is a chronological interest organizer in that his latest interest is on the outer edge forming an outer layer to his stacks of previous interest.

I am hyper and must be able to move freely about my home. I have no problems with their version of organization as long as my movement is not restricted by it. Gary's "places" are his desk, the coffee table, and 11 acres of land he ones. My computer desk has a way of attracting stuff, I have a shelf in the living room and the storage shed out back. However I can walk into any room without having to climb over stuff so I am basically happy and do not really give a _ _ _ _ what any one else thinks.

At work the busier I am the bigger my mess however I always pick up and make my area ready for the next shift because I hate cleaning up after some one else I do not expect any one else to pick up after me.

VisualImagery
03-22-07, 09:12 PM
A clean desk is the sign of an empty mind.

dormammau2008
03-22-07, 09:38 PM
i like as much order as i can get in mylife... lol..saying that its been very hard week lol never an emetmpty mind lol.....

hugs raddmom

dorm xx

SB_UK
03-23-07, 03:53 AM
A clean desk is the sign of an empty mind.but I don't even have a desk
:)

why ... I do believe that that means ...
:(

*that* I don't ***even*** have an empty mind
:mad:


just a void where my mind should be
:confused:


:soapbox:


note to self:

->-:eek::eek::eek:-<-

SB_UK
03-23-07, 03:55 AM
ps I am not the puppy.

That'd be silly and indicative of accelerated evolution amongst German shepherds.

note to self:

->-:eek::eek::eek:-<-

luke
03-23-07, 09:22 AM
i think desks and PC desktops are a reflection of of the mind.


All three for me have got stuff all over the place!!

i can liken it to a saying a friend of mine once said

"like a cow in a butcher, im all over the shop!"

WeepingWillow
03-23-07, 09:43 AM
My messy desk ceased to serve its purpose when the shuffling paper work from one side of my desk, to the middle, to the other side left me in a continued state of confusion. I now have to visually and verbally say to myself, "Everything has its place, and it is not here.' That helps me to put things away. Not that I put things in its proper place on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis... hmmmmm, it is the thought that counts right? I just need to implement the action.... maybe tomorrow.http://www.addforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

HardyHar
03-23-07, 11:16 AM
Since starting meds, my desk has become better. It may look messy to the untrained eye but there is a level of organization. Only things that I am working with or need to work with remain on the desk. Anything that does not need to be there gets put away or thrown away. If I was working on something today and still need to work on it tomorrow there is no sense in putting it away when I leave only to have to drag it out again. I am beginning to despise clutter and feel the need to straighten everything into neat, working piles at the end of the day every few days. I have actually started using my in/out trays for what they were intended for and I am using a five subject note book as a TO-DO list. Each section is devoted to different areas of my responsibilities so I am better able to keep track of what I have done and what needs to be done. EVERYTHING goes in the notebook. It is no wonder I never got anything done in my pre-med days!!!

kilted_scotsman
03-23-07, 11:18 AM
My desk at home was messy, it was my desk, it was OK....now I share it with a wife and two kids.....its not my own organised mess.... so its not OK.

I don't mind mess as long as everything is where I left it...add in a spouse and kids who move things randomly round the house....woooow do my stress levels go up, particularly as I'm often late out the door.

kilt

livinginchaos
03-23-07, 11:47 AM
when I clean I can't find anything . .. . .. :)

gstien
03-23-07, 12:21 PM
Things that are older are at the bottom (closer to the surface) of the desk.
How much simpler could that be? LOL

SB_UK
03-23-07, 04:33 PM
i think desks and PC desktops are a reflection of of the mind.
... but I don't have anything on my PC desktop ...

don't not wanna' not don't no not wanna' play this game.

:-)

ADDA
03-23-07, 07:55 PM
Every time I try to organize my stuff I can never find my stuff again... lol When my desk is messy and I try to find it I can picture exactly where it's at in my head :)

meadd823
03-24-07, 07:55 AM
but I don't have anything on my PC desktop ...

Perhaps you have a PC on you desk top :p .

pembroke
03-25-07, 01:46 AM
Hidden Benefits of Being Messy

David H. Freedman

reprinted from Bottom Line/Personal (http://www.bottomlinesecrets.com/blpnet/offers/sub_blp.html?sid=article), March 15, 2007
URL: http://www.bottomlinesecrets.com/blpnet/article.html?article_id=41058 Society isn’t kind to messy people. Parents punish children who won’t clean their rooms, and bosses question the competence of employees who have messy desks. But is messy really so bad?

Professional organizers claim that clutter costs us hours each day by making it harder to find things. Our surveys, however, suggest that messy people spend only nine minutes per day, on average, trying to find things in their homes and another nine minutes trying to find things in their offices. Most messy people can locate what they need fairly quickly -- they just look where they last had the item. When a mess has been cleaned, it often takes longer to remember where the item has been stored.

Some experts believe we need schedules and plans to stay headed in the right direction, but people with plans often stick to those plans long after it should have been obvious that their plans were not working. Disorganized people usually are better at rolling with the punches and seizing serendipitous opportunities.

Example: Scottish biologist Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin when samples he had carelessly left exposed in his mess of an office were contaminated while he was on vacation.

For many people, a certain amount of messiness can be beneficial...

Messy house

What does a tidy home actually do for you? It will not make you more productive -- the hours spent cleaning won’t save you much, if any, time finding things later. It will not make you healthier -- if anything, exposure to the chemicals in household cleaners tends to be worse for our health than living in a cluttered home, unless the mess is extreme and dust and mold accumulate. Finally, a tidy home probably will not make you happier -- perhaps you feel better when your house is neat, but if your family does not share this passion for spotlessness, your demands for cleanliness are likely to lead to arguments and unhappiness. What to do...

http://bottomlinesecrets.com/images/bullets/blue_bullet1.gifAllow certain sections of the house to be messy. Let your messy spouse have a disorganized den... allow projects to pile up on the otherwise unused dining room table... don’t worry if the kids’ rooms are a mess.

http://bottomlinesecrets.com/images/bullets/blue_bullet1.gifPermit mess cycles. Don’t try to keep the home spotless all the time. Let the mess build, and pick up every few weeks or when guests are coming.

Cluttered desk

Neat people tend to equate messy desks with inefficiency, but for a naturally messy person, a messy desk might be the most efficient arrangement.

Helpful: Messes don’t look as messy when they’re arranged in stacks. Things will be easy to find because they will be piled close to where they were last used, and stacking is quicker than organizing and filing. It doesn’t take substantially longer to dig through a pile of papers on a desk to find an item than it does to sort through a filing cabinet trying to remember where the item was filed.

Untidy yard

Tending to a lawn absorbs hours of our time, wastes hundreds of gallons of water and often involves drenching the yard in pesticides. We all would be better off if “neat” lawns were replaced with “messy” fields of native plants.

You can make a naturally landscaped lawn more palatable to fussy neighbors by placing a border of neat grass around the edges. Also, explain to your neighbors what you’re doing and why. You might even get them thinking about their own lawns.

HardyHar
03-25-07, 08:14 AM
Thanks Pembroke, There is a lot of truth in that article. I have to admit, I don't like a lot of clutter around the home but it seems like we are constantly struggling with it. We try to keep it at a level where we can quickly clean up if someone is coming over soon. But there are certain areas where a mess is just more practical then trying to keep them neat all the time.

Fraz_2006
03-25-07, 08:57 AM
I dont have a messy desk.... but

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t195/fraz-2006/dick.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek:

SB_UK
03-26-07, 03:01 AM
I dont have a messy desk.... but
:eek: :eek: :eek:

line 1 :eek::eek::eek:
line 2 no way (i can so relate)
line 3 go to line 1

ha ha ha !

I have locked the adders into an infinitely repeating loop.

now - the world is mine.

ha ha ha !

.... now ... where was I?

:-)

SB_UK
03-26-07, 03:04 AM
Perhaps you have a PC on you desk top :p .what is 'PC' earthling?

man ... I want to be Mork.
'Mork and Mindy'
loveliness.

'nanoo-nanoo'.

piglet
03-26-07, 09:09 AM
My desk is clean when I get it atthe start of the shift... rapidly evolves into the "mess state"... and in the last fifteen minutesof my shift, goes back to a neat condition forthe next shift. I can wrap it up neatly, but during the time I'm using it, I need everything out where I can see it. Drives my coworkers nuts.

HardyHar
03-26-07, 09:29 AM
My desk is clean when I get it atthe start of the shift... rapidly evolves into the "mess state"... and in the last fifteen minutesof my shift, goes back to a neat condition forthe next shift. I can wrap it up neatly, but during the time I'm using it, I need everything out where I can see it. Drives my coworkers nuts.
At least is sounds like a system that works. While you are manning the desk you own it and have to use it in a way that works for you. I guess so long as the person working it during the next shift doesn't complain you can just tell your co-workers to deal with it or get lost.

I am very fortunate that no one ever uses my desk but me so I don't have to worry about cleaning up at the end of the day. It was nice walking into my office after a weekend and having everything I was working on Friday still sitting on top of my desk waiting for me to finish it today. It is like a visual To-Do list.