View Full Version : Poor Self Image


casper
05-30-07, 10:53 AM
Anyone else out there have a poor self image?

I feel like I have always been that way. When I was going through puberty and even a little now I have always tried to hide the fact that I have a chest. I have a little "donut" around the waist and I fear letting people see it. I will wear long sleves to hide it. I don't like my upper legs, feel they are very fat. I also don't think I am pretty. I don't dress up, dress like a girl, or wear makeup.

What does one do about this? Society has put such a "model thin perfect picture" in our minds!

QueensU_girl
05-30-07, 11:28 AM
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98% of women don't have the "model body type". (5'11, 115 lbs, etc)


Most model's pictures are also HEAVILY digitally edited on computers. Their legs are stretched longer, their breasts are made bigger, the fat is trimmed off their bellies and hips. Their eyes and lips, cheeks and eyelashes are made bigger, their noses are made smaller.


Who can compete with an image that is heavily edited & surgically altered?


Can you see how this wish to look like an fake picture sets you up for failure?


You are so more than just your body!


What concerns me about women getting so fixated on their body size and weight and looks, is that we lose sight of more important issues affecting girls & women.
e.g. sexism, political exclusion, disempowerment, economic injustice, discrimination, violence, 2/3 illiterate females in the world are girls (for cultural and political reasons), etc.
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PS the only Fashion magazine I will buy & read is GLAMOUR.


Why?

B/c they actually care about more than just "looks". They write about girl's and women's issues. (Rock the Vote, challenging traditions and laws that hurt women and girls, such as "Honor Killings", etc)

mrroboto2
05-31-07, 02:15 AM
Most model's pictures are also HEAVILY digitally edited on computers. Their legs are stretched longer, their breasts are made bigger, the fat is trimmed off their bellies and hips. Their eyes and lips, cheeks and eyelashes are made bigger, their noses are made smaller.
This is mostly true, but some of it sounds like a bit of an exaggeration to me. I don't know any photographers who routinely stretch the legs or breasts of a women. A big aprt of it is the lighting. Photographers don't spend 1000's of $$ on studio lighting and softboxes for nothing. The perfect lighting will take will minimize the limitations of the dynamic range of the camera. Dynamic range is the range of shade we can see going from light to dark, even the best digital cameras only have a dynamic range of about 1% that of the human eye(but black and white film has more DR than color or digital). This is why when you take a photo the shadows may look like black areas when you remember seeing details with your eyes, or why your skin has more wrinkles on a photo of you taken at high noon than you have when you look in a mirror. A good photographer is a master at using light to bring out the maximum beauty in a woman, and then using photoshop to increase it further.

Imnapl
05-31-07, 09:47 AM
This is mostly true, but some of it sounds like a bit of an exaggeration to me.This subject just came up with some teenage girls I know. One of them reminded us of a Dove article / challenge / commercial about this very subject beginning with a real model and showing the enhancements routinely done. I will look for it later.

casper
05-31-07, 12:14 PM
I understand and know that 90some percent of woman don't have that "model" body,but how do u get over the self consiousness of it? I know i will never look like that, but I would at least like to be happy with myself when I look in the mirror!

mrroboto2
05-31-07, 09:04 PM
This subject just came up with some teenage girls I know. One of them reminded us of a Dove article / challenge / commercial about this very subject beginning with a real model and showing the enhancements routinely done. I will look for it laterI have not seen the article in question, but it seems that changing the anatomical structure of a model is too much work to be worth the effort in most cases, and I can draw and paint a realistic woman with traditional media, and to paint someone realistically like Seargant or Vermeer takes a very long time, so I would imagine in photoshop it would be a similar effort. It is much easier to find a model who already has the physical attributes needed. I don't know for sure however, and I will ask some of my photographer friends about this and see if they do it, maybe they do for all I know, it just seems a little implausible.

Imnapl
06-01-07, 02:03 AM
I have not seen the article in question, but it seems that changing the anatomical structure of a model is too much work to be worth the effort in most cases, and I can draw and paint a realistic woman with traditional media, and to paint someone realistically like Seargant or Vermeer takes a very long time, so I would imagine in photoshop it would be a similar effort. It is much easier to find a model who already has the physical attributes needed. I don't know for sure however, and I will ask some of my photographer friends about this and see if they do it, maybe they do for all I know, it just seems a little implausible.I find it intriquing that some people have bought into the beauty myth. I seem to remember seeing Cindy Crawford on a morning show describing her imperfections and how much is trimmed off her healthy, fit body a la computer generated modifications.
Dove makeover: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:P1-RvNklvuYJ:photoshopnews.com/2006/10/17/dove-illustrates-why-perception-of-beauty-is-distorted/+dove+makeover+commercial&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ca

Veighen
06-01-07, 02:28 PM
ahem... mrroboat..... not trying to be rude or anything...but, uh..wake up?

It is VERY much a FACT that 95% of EVERY image sold IS altered. The "perfect" image is being forced down the throats of all women and child everyday.

There is no perfect model. Looking for the model which has those specific physical traits needed would be 10x harder to find then just adjusting a photo.

The problem comes in when men, women, and child have trouble recognizing the line between digitally manipulated perfection...and real people in real life.

Women develop eating disorders, BDD (body dismorphic disorder), poor self esteem.. the list goes on....

and men, develop unrealistic expectations for companionship in real life relationships. The "porn model" is the furthest from reality, yet, most men accustomed to viewing porn regularily tend to develop an unrealistic preference for that type or woman. Of course that doesnt apply to ALL men or ALL women...nevertheless, we are all victims of the media.

mrroboto2
06-05-07, 02:25 AM
And most women want a guy who is 6'2", has dark hair and a perfect t-shaped frame, looks like Keanu Reeves when he was 25-30 years old, and who is a wealthy doctor or something. At least they say they do until they meet me LOL.
There was this guy on a forum for models, photographers and the like.This guy is a professional male model, movie star looks and perfect ripped abs saying he hated his body and didn't even want to date because he felt ashamed of it. He came across as a total nutcase in his post. In other words, he WAS the epitome of perfect media type looks and he was delusional about his apprearance.
Anyway, I will ask some photographers who have been doing this stuff awhile and we can settle this once and for all.

pedalpounder
06-05-07, 02:31 AM
I think all girls should have ITG (inner-thigh gap). But women should be more robust than that :D I'm a very healthy and athletic guy with low body fat. But honestly I enjoy a bit of chunk/thickness in women. Fat arms can be delightful. As long as you stay fit, you can be chunky.

Imnapl
06-05-07, 09:19 AM
I think all girls should have ITG (inner-thigh gap). But women should be more robust than that :D I'm a very healthy and athletic guy with low body fat. But honestly I enjoy a bit of chunk/thickness in women. Fat arms can be delightful. As long as you stay fit, you can be chunky.What a refreshing post, pedalpounder.

Faylen
06-05-07, 09:56 AM
If you don't believe how much photographers change people's images, check out this professional photo editing site: http://www.iwanexstudio.com/You'll be amazed. Yes, they lengthen legs, enlarge breasts, smooth out wrinkles, even up skin tone. . .it's better than plastic surgery.

I talked to my therapist yesterday about self-image, and he stressed that it won't get better unless I take care of myself. Put on makeup, do my hair, wear clothes I like to wear. Worry about the weight later, and don't compare myself to others (or even to myself as a younger, thinner person!) I'm going to start doing that and see if it helps. I have no illusions that anyone will mistake me for someone glamorous and sexy, but if I like what I see, that's what counts.