View Full Version : Adderall and doctor's appointment


shakepurmake
06-13-07, 09:28 PM
Today my friend let me take 25mg of adderall today because i was curious if it would have any big impacts on me. (Btw, my health records show im quite healthy)

Effects of 25mg of adderall on me.

I took it in the morning, before my final exam which was english. Around 30minutes later, i can easily notice what changed; My concentration went up drastically, for example, i did not space not one single time while reading around 12 pages worth of text, but normally, i would be always spacing out during this, wondering about my life, etc, the works. My ideas were clear, concisive, and for once on my essays...made sense. Oh yeah, i was pretty calm the entire 2 hour block. Normally im tapping my pencil or doing sumthing that i really cannot control or need to do, but for this time i was pretty surprised i actually was quite calm. I finish with a lot of time left, but normally i run out of time. Afterwards, i decide to hang out with my friends and everyone finds it much more interesting to talk with me because: Im not saying stupid impulsif things, im pretty chill with my attitude, and im actually talking to strangers/students way more friendlier. Oh and i didnt feel afraid of hanging out in the public or feeling isolated...i ended up talking more. So about 5-7 hours later, the adderall completely weres off and im back to my normal, boring self. We still hang out, but there is much less analysis in my mind and i get bored so much more easily. And now im sitting at home after hanging out with my friends.

Honestly, i cannot fathom how many things improved from taking adderall 25mg XR, but i do not feel like listing it. Which brings my to my next point really....

Ive been to several doctor appointments, but none of them diagnosed me because they were simply ignorant, my mom said i was 'lying' about my symptoms, and they don't prescribe meds.

I may want to take to my friend's doctor because my friend, received adderall easily as he stated, but u can clearly see he does not have ADD if u knew him. He says he takes it for exams, but he doesnt get very good grades.

Main focus i guess:Should i state whether the adderall helped me a bunch or not when i go to the doctor's appointment? I fear my parents and the doctor may think im a drug addict or i overdose which im really not. My record is very very clean, i drink, but very little at parties. If the drug helped me so much though, is it possible to give me a diagnosis of innattentive ADD?(im really not hyper when im normal but i can act like a serious goof sumtimes.) With my weight of like 135 at 16 years of age, 1 dose of adderall 25mg is the only acceptable ammount i should during a day right? I should not take anymore if like 6 hours pass and the effects go away right...it wouldnt be good for my health correct?

P.S. I didnt feel many side effects when i took it. A tiny headache(went away after the 1st hour btw) and ocassionally dry mouth, but carrying water everywhere solved the problem. I didnt experience moodswings, nausea, depression, but there was a loss of an appetite. Forced myself to eat only the important meals, but i did not want to eat junk food at all, i wanted to eat bananas instead heh.

Thanks for reading....

QueensU_girl
06-13-07, 10:31 PM
Do you think that you have ADD/ADHD?

Frangible
06-13-07, 10:55 PM
Stimulants can help anyone cognitively, not just those with ADD. They have a lot of abuse potential, which is why they're schedule II drugs. If you go to a doctor with that story, you'll probably just get "drug seeking behavior" noted in your file.

If you truly do have ADD, that's one thing, and you should follow-up on it. But if you just like amphetamines, that's what they call "addiction".

shakepurmake
06-13-07, 11:32 PM
Im positive i have ADD, but obviously i dont only want the adderall. I suppose ill just get an appointment with his doctor and not tell him/her(the doc) the story.

Edward
06-13-07, 11:55 PM
Today my friend let me take 25mg of adderall today because i was curious if it would have any big impacts on me. (Btw, my health records show im quite healthy)

Don't ever proposition your friend for his DEA scheduled class 2 medicine again, he could end up in bigger trouble than you, and you're putting him in a very bad position (does he want to keep you as a friend or does he want to obey the LAW and keep his medicine)

Go to the Dr. tell them that your friend let you have a capsule of Adderall XR, but you realize now that you were wrong to ask him for Adderall, and tell him the story you told us here:


my health records show im quite healthy)

Effects of 25mg of adderall on me.

I took it in the morning, before my final exam which was english. Around 30minutes later, i can easily notice what changed; My concentration went up drastically, for example, i did not space not one single time while reading around 12 pages worth of text, but normally, i would be always spacing out during this, wondering about my life, etc, the works. My ideas were clear, concisive, and for once on my essays...made sense. Oh yeah, i was pretty calm the entire 2 hour block. Normally im tapping my pencil or doing sumthing that i really cannot control or need to do, but for this time i was pretty surprised i actually was quite calm. I finish with a lot of time left, but normally i run out of time. Afterwards, i decide to hang out with my friends and everyone finds it much more interesting to talk with me because: Im not saying stupid impulsif things, im pretty chill with my attitude, and im actually talking to strangers/students way more friendlier. Oh and i didnt feel afraid of hanging out in the public or feeling isolated...i ended up talking more. So about 5-7 hours later, the adderall completely weres off and im back to my normal, boring self. We still hang out, but there is much less analysis in my mind and i get bored so much more easily. And now im sitting at home after hanging out with my friends.

Honestly, i cannot fathom how many things improved from taking adderall 25mg XR, but i do not feel like listing it.

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P.S. I didnt feel many side effects when i took it. A tiny headache(went away after the 1st hour btw) and ocassionally dry mouth, but carrying water everywhere solved the problem. I didnt experience moodswings, nausea, depression, but there was a loss of an appetite. Forced myself to eat only the important meals, but i did not want to eat junk food at all, i wanted to eat bananas instead heh.

Thanks for reading....

It sounds like you may have ADHD, he'll determine that, tell him exactly what happened, don't omit any details about anything, doing so would be LYING, and if you have ADHD he'll prescribe you Adderall XR. Then once you have that, do not (i.e., sell or give away) the medicine to anyone.

shakepurmake
06-14-07, 12:29 AM
I dont plan on getting anymore from my friend. I was just curious what i would seem like if i actually had meds for ADD. I dont plan on reselling if im prescribed any meds whatsoever. Im just so sick of the things i do when i am my normal self.(Without meds) I dont plan on or intend to overdose or do stupid things with meds obviously. Its just im afraid im gonna be put down as sum1 said in this thread a 'drug seeking behavior' prolly cuz my mom would go nuts if she found out i actually did it. She doesnt think i have ADD when u can see it a mile away for me. Shes afraid of having a 'bad record' which is me being diagnosed ADD and shes not gonna let me take meds when i took it behind her back...

I just want a normal life.

GL GL
06-14-07, 03:14 AM
From my experience it's best to just tell the doctors that you've looked your symptoms up online and you think you have ADHD. Describe your symptoms (she/he'll probibly give you a written test of some sort). Tell him you've read about the medications (which I assume you've done) and would like to try something.

I would NOT tell the doctor you took any medication of any sort. I also wouldn't tell him you smoked weed with your friend Tommy one time back behind the school bleachers or drank a few winecoolers at the 4th of July party, (or any other stupid things you might have done).

You may think that Doctors are good at sniffing out people who are seeking recreational drugs but they are not (in my experience so far). The honest ADDer who admits having used some sort of drug (even legal ones) is likely to go home with a bad treatment or no treatment at all for their condition. The drug seeker goes to the doctor and knows exactly what lies to tell and will get treated most times.

Since Edward already gave you a good scolding I won't do that, lol. But most people would tell you that if you have the symptoms of ADHD you would have had them for your whole life. I know 16 is a young age to be introspective but, if you look back at your 12 or 14 year old self and don't recognize having similar problems, the conventional wisdom is that you don't have ADHD.

Good Luck!

shakepurmake
06-14-07, 09:59 AM
Well after i thought about after a long time, i realized i actually felt i had ADD when i was younger because i showed practically all the symptoms one is supposed to have for ADD. Obviously im not gonna be stupid and tell him about the parties i go to. But when i was younger, i didnt exactly know what ADD/ADHD was at the time anyway.

Edward
06-14-07, 12:00 PM
Well after i thought about after a long time, i realized i actually felt i had ADD when i was younger because i showed practically all the symptoms one is supposed to have for ADD. Obviously im not gonna be stupid and tell him about the parties i go to. But when i was younger, i didnt exactly know what ADD/ADHD was at the time anyway.

Ok go ahead and withhold the truth, if you have ADHD; if you have ADHD and are prescribed medicine you probably won't be attending those parties (i'm assuming they're centered around using substances?) after you start taking your medicine.

You don't gain anything from withholding the truth, if you are diagnosed with ADHD you are entitled to be prescribed Adderall XR, it's not 'drug seeking behavior' if you get diagnosed with ADHD, and if you have ADHD no psychiatrist is going to look at it has 'drug seeking behavior', but the fact that you want to withhold the truth makes it sound to me like you are exhibiting 'drug seeking behavior'.

If your mom lets you go the a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist will ask you if you've done any drugs and about your social life, and since you have, the only way you could give a good answer would be to discontinue experimenting with all substances (including alcohol) right now, and then after 6 months go into the psychiatrist and when the psychiatrist asks you if you've ever done any drugs, tell the psychiatrist the entire truth, about how you've been to 'parties' and all the substances you've tried and how often, and how you got your friend to give you a pill of Adderall once and that you had a great reaction to it and how you've quit experimenting with all substances 6 months ago.

Discontinue experimenting with alcohol and everything right now, and after 6 months decide if you still think you have ADHD and if you do then decide whether it's a major impairment in your life, then if you think it is schedule an appointment with the psychiatrist and once you meet your psychiatrist, don't lie, don't omit any facts, answer all of the questions extensively, truthfully and completely and don't make up symptoms.

GL GL
06-14-07, 04:58 PM
It's sad that we would need to have a discussion about wheter or not to be honest with your doctor.
The docs are not just looking for drug seekers but they are also looking to see if you may have "addictive personality". The fact that most often ADHDer's DO have "addictive personality", thus making them not canidates for ADHD medication is quite a cath-22. You may think that doctors have read the studies that show that people with ADHD on medication use other drugs LESS and are less likely to abuse drugs. Sadly I have still never been to a doctor who seems to know much of anything about adults with ADHD and they seem more interested in reducing their liability than treating your condition. Again these are my experience and obviously Edward has had a different one. Still, there are numerous posts in these forums with people who have been denied treatment because they admitted to drinking alcohol etc. A guy just posted next to this thread that he can't get treatment in his town because of stimulant abuse in the "area". It is not uncommon to hear from people having to chase down treatment and I've been through this myself.

"You don't gain anything from withholding the truth, if you are diagnosed with ADHD you are entitled to be prescribed Adderall XR"

I wish this was how it worked but this is my advice and it's sad, when it comes to talking to your doctor, LIE about any past substance use.

Of coarse as Edward says don't lie about your symptoms. This is dangerous on so many levels, not the least of which you could miss another more dangers but treatable medical condition that mimics the effects of ADHD (like thyroid, liver, pancreas, adrenal gland problems, food allergies, diabetes, hypoglycemia)

QueensU_girl
06-14-07, 05:01 PM
Any Psychiatrist worth his/her salt is going to send you for Testing before handing out controlled drugs.

You should have Testing, especially if you are a student. (Have to know the +/- of your brain's functioning. Meds don't fix everything, eh?)


You DO mention symptoms that sound like impulsivity (verbal), inattention, disorganization (executive dysfunction) and such.

I think that ADHD cannot be ruled out at this point. You need Testing.


Read this carefullly --

If you do NOT want to look like a drug-seeker, and truly believe you have ADHD, you need to ask for only one thing in this 1st appointment: Testing with an Psychoeducational Psychologist.

-Describe how you think ADHD symptoms affect your life.
-Give real-life examples as you did in your Post #1.
-Take a symptom list from a book or website (www.brainplace.com (http://www.brainplace.com/) or www.amenclinic.com (http://www.amenclinic.com/))
-hilite/check the ones that apply to you.
-ADDers tend to have POOR WORKING MEMORY, so taking a List is always a good idea.


Summary:

#1. Show symptoms/evidence of ADD. (from childhood to present)
#2. Ask for Testing with a Psychoeducational Psychologist.

Testing is the surest way to get medication/treatment.

(I know you probably feel impatient, but it is bad medical practice to prescribe controlled drugs w/o ANY Test Results and ANY evidence of a problem, right?
E.G. Imagine if you were prescribed Chemotherapy w/o having Cancer, or any Tests/Assessment??)

Crazy
10-18-07, 02:56 AM
This thread is full of silly advice. First of all, people with ADD have usually abused drugs in their lives. Why not be honest? Its a symptom. Once people get on the medication, they usually dont feel the need to self medicate. Secondly, if you have ADHD and tried something that worked, a Dr. is going to be happy to hear that.....This ensures you dont get stuck with medication that doesnt work. It is usually best to be honest about your health care with a Dr. Start hiding things and the Dr. will smell the suspicion. Seriously, I dont see the point in lying. Do you think doctors dont realize and understand that people have tried non prescribed medications? Whoopdie do, such is life. I was honest with my doctor and there were no problems. Another thing is that if you do have an addictive personality, why the hell would you want to try stimulants if you know they have high potential for abuse??? Why would you want to go into a situation knowing that you will come out an addict?

shakepurmake
10-18-07, 11:33 PM
Ok I understand at what you are getting at and honestly, I really hope your advice works for me, but im having a doubt on which doctors to trust and which doctors are not safe to trust. My psychiatrist appointment is on Monday and I am afraid that if I tell him the truth, he will consider me as a drug addict and not prescribe me meds to help me.

ozchris
10-19-07, 03:26 AM
Well if he thinks that then he may not be a very good phychiatrist. It's important you have a trusting relationship with your phych. If he knocks you back for trying adderall then you can always see another one.

shakepurmake
10-20-07, 03:41 PM
Heres another question, Would it seem a bit over the top that I know basically A LOT of facts about adderall: types, appropriate dosage, symptoms, what not to mix it with, its specific effects, what time to take it, etc. Would I seriously seem like a bit of an addict or look suspicious if I told my psychiatrist about how I know almost everything about adderall, but NOT TELLING HIM I TOOK IT ONCE?

Tylerlee17
10-20-07, 04:35 PM
Heres another question, Would it seem a bit over the top that I know basically A LOT of facts about adderall: types, appropriate dosage, symptoms, what not to mix it with, its specific effects, what time to take it, etc. Would I seriously seem like a bit of an addict or look suspicious if I told my psychiatrist about how I know almost everything about adderall, but NOT TELLING HIM I TOOK IT ONCE?
Yep. You're over-thinking it. If you truly need it for per-say Theraputic usage simply go in and describe to him your symptoms. Do not try to compare an "experience" you had on it. You need to be up front and honest to simply put it.

watts
10-20-07, 05:14 PM
I completely agree with Tylerlee (above post). Shakepurmake, you are overthinking this and may shoot yourself in the foot. Thinking if the M.D. will be good or bad and how they will view you etc. is not the way to go into a consultation.

I have read some of your other posts and I believe that you know quite a bit about your condition (ADHD). You know yourself best, so when you sit down and the doctor asks "what can I do for you today"?- talk from the heart and just be honest. How has what you believe is ADHD affected your life?

Don't focus on treating this; describe symptoms, situations, interactions, etc. The doctor will hopefully do their job and make an accurate diagnosis and prescribe.

As far as telling the doctor that you tried Adderall before and it helped you focus/ feel normal/ whatever, it is really up to you. I think the best advice I can give you is to take the approach that you have been dealing with what you believe is ADHD for most of your life with no professional help, and now you are asking for help from the medical community. I hope this is helpful.