View Full Version : desoxyn is the best... a year's worth of adhd meds stories


Everyzig2101
06-26-07, 05:03 PM
So, although at the risk of sounding like a broken record (ive posted in joy whenever i try a new med and it seems like a panache, only to find out after the initial period that it wasnt what i wanted), I will say that I believe that desoxyn (the final med i hadnt tried) is going to change my life. I figured i'd share my stimulant story to contribute my wide variety of experiences with adhd drugs.

Up until now i had only had good results with adderall - it was the only one that gave me enough focus - it was the only med that allowed me to really get in the "zone", and tolerate classes, etc. However, it sort of forced me into the zone all the time, and really hindered conversations and social interactions, thinking through complex tasks, and multitasking. I had tried dosages between 10-30mg/day usually spread out over 2-3 doses. I couldnt however, take them at night because i didnt want to be a zombie around my family. Adderall also split up a really good relationship because i simply couldnt feel any emotions. I thought that i would be stuck with it forever, especially after trying every other adhd stimulant on the market with the exception of focalin sr and finding them all to be inferior in terms of focus. Unfortunately adderall was also causing rapid heartbeat, rebound insomnia when i didnt take 3 doses a day, and some serious anxiety, not to mention i havent taken the initiative to go out and do new things or make new friends in approximately 3 years.

I tried adderall xr which was a bit smoother than the regular adderall but i disliked the fact that it would get stronger in the afternoons as it built up in my bloodstream ( i preferred a higher dose in mornings followed by decreasing doses as the day went on). It also lasted 12+ hours and prevented me from getting any meaningful exercise done due to muscle tension and increased hr and bp.

I tried dexedrine, which made me socially manic and pretty stimulated, a nice change from the zombification and sleepy focus that adderall caused. I tried barr and mallinkrodt at doses up to about 30mg a day (split into 3 doses). Dexedrine made me irritable with people at times, and physically and mentally antsy (for lack of a better word) -- i was able to focus but i kept switching my focus, and couldnt find satisfaction in doing a single task at a time.

Next i tried daytrana, which was really quite different than my amphetamine experiences. I had what seemed like endless physical energy, and i felt the satisfied feeling i had gotten with adderall (basically an ability to be content), however, it didnt really do jack for my focus, even at dosages up to 30mg patch. Didnt notice any side effects, but the withdrawal/rebound after discontinuing it was the worst i had ever experienced from any adhd med (ridiculous irritability, sadness, and jitteriness)

Focalin XR was next, which was similar to daytrana for me, but it didnt have as much of a physically energized profile as daytrana, and again didnt really help my focus. I kept feeling the need to change tasks.

Finally i tried desoxyn starting last week. (I'm gradually ramping up in dose by 5mg a week up to 20mg a day, 10 2x/day) Overall, i would say it combines the best features of adderall and dexedrine, and it's smoother than either of them as well. I have the ability to get into a 'zone' if i want, and focus on things, but i'm not forced to zone out all the time like i was with adderall. I also have my old sociability back, i'm noticing i'm able to make and keep plans, organize tasks, and it also gives me the energy i need to actually finish things (unlike adderall). It's much more restful than dexedrine or ritalin. I dont feel compelled to be moving or doing things, but i dont feel as sedated as I was on adderall. So far, there have been absolutely ZERO! side effects!. I dont have adrenaline rushes or fast heartbeat, muscle tension or anxiety (my worst side effect with adderall and daytrana). I feel so normal again!!! The only downside i have noticed so far is that i have a bit of insomnia when it wears off, and i also feel sort of unexplainably sad and i feel like the world is really weird during the last hour or 2 of my day, late at night after my dose has worn off. Im thinking of eventually switching to 3x a day dosing in order to sleep better and avoid this effect though.

I'm ready to finally be 'normal' again! I have so many plans for this fall, and I have gotten more tasks done around the house in the past week than i have so far all summer! This med should definitely be part of first line treatments. I mean, come on, it has no side effects!!.

Let me know if you have any questions, and please share your thoughts!

A few questions of my own. do you think I'll gain 'tolerance' to desoxyn and it will eventually turn me into a zombie again like adderall did? Also, do you think that having had it prescribed once, I will be able to continue getting it prescribed when i move away again for grad school or will i have to spend a year trying all the other meds again with a new psychiatrist or will they just jump on the desoxyn boat right away? Also, anyone know anything about the potential for long term damage (like dopamine transporters or whatnot) due to methamphetamine being so potent and being more thoroughly absorbed into the brain than regular amphetamine. Is this a risk for people with adhd using desoxyn? I couldnt help but notice that the recreational dose listed at least on one website (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_dose.shtml) nearly the same as the dose i would be taking. (25-30mg a day). How is this safer than street meth?


And, if you were able to read this entire post, congratulations (sorry it's so long)

alert
06-26-07, 09:49 PM
"especially after trying every other adhd stimulant on the market with the exception of focalin sr"

"Focalin XR was next, which was similar to daytrana for me"

You contadict yourself here. I sense somrthing odd about this thread.

Everyzig2101
06-27-07, 12:28 AM
doah, i meant IR, not SR. somehow i was thinking "short release", hah. i meant instant release.

phrenic
06-27-07, 05:29 AM
Do you ever feel sedated on Desoxyn? My doc prescribed it to me last week (I wrote the thread right before this one about my experience).

Since I get too sedated on Desoxyn, I plan to use it when my ADHD gets in the way of my relationship especially when I'm highly irritable, anxious and picking a fight with my boyfriend only to avoid boredome etc.

As for the mental focus and alertness that I need for work, Desoxyn is not for me.

It does give me so much less side effects than dex and ritalin so I will not give up on this med just yet.

attention
06-27-07, 05:48 AM
"Since I get too sedated on Desoxyn"
--I can't understang this-SEDATED from the most potent ATS (amphetamine type stimulant) there is available?

I wish you could explain how the sedation manufests?

I have taken Ritalin, and Dexedrine had me going. I have read Desoxyn is the most efficious medication for hard-out Narcoleptics, so how can script methamphetamine make you few folk sedated? it is after all the same compound which abusers stay up on for days on end.

I just don't get it?

Crazy~Feet
06-27-07, 07:06 AM
Probably the same way I become mildly sedated by dexedrine, attention. It seems to happen among ADDers and its not uncommon. For the purposes of this thread I honestly don't think it much matters why this happens for some of us.

JR1973
06-27-07, 11:44 AM
Man I can't touch any of the methylphenidate meds. Like hitting me with a tranquilizer dart. Indeed a strange phenomenon about stimulants.


J

jbc3333
06-27-07, 12:36 PM
I have the same expierences with stimulents and sadation.... When I was on adderall it would actually put me to sleep and the same with coffie and a few other stimulent drugs... Dex is the only one that doesnt but it does make me very relaxed...I know people without adahd that take stimulents and it does the exact oppisite to them....When I had surgery and was prescribed perks they made me want to run a mile while it makes a lot of people want to sleep....

alert
06-27-07, 01:07 PM
"I can't understang this-SEDATED from the most potent ATS (amphetamine type stimulant) there is available?"

Attention, Desoxyn-being medically supervised/monitered, methamphetamine hcl is indeed the most potent ATS, however for some folks who have truely ADD/HD disorders which control their lives, it seems to control their disorder well.

I had to stop Dex as it made me too sleepy and lethargic at 20mgs. The first time i was treated with it (at only one 5mg IR tab), it made me fall into a deep sleep, and caused unsatisfactory sedation.

The Doc treated me instead with a higher dose of Methylphenidate. Norvatis brand was quite satisfactory at 20mgs T.I.D, however upon this becoming replaced by a generic i required nearly double this (120mgs-2, 20mg SR T.I.D)-much to my Docs dismay and suffering on my part- to have any sembelence of what regular folks take for granted.

However the struggle continues.

I wish we severly affected folks here downunder had the treatment options you have in the states.

Edward
06-27-07, 03:20 PM
What do you mean by most potent amphetamine type stimulant?

dexamphetamine is a more potent psychostimulant for rats than dexmethamphetamine

I don't find it suprising that some are sedated by various stimulants(including desoxyn)

alert
06-27-07, 11:14 PM
"I don't find it suprising that some are sedated by various stimulants(including desoxyn)"

I totally agree. When i was trialed on Dex, my first 5mg dose put me to sleep.

Let me clarify.

I was just relaying what my Doc had told me (he specialises in addiction medicine) and treats people with substance use/abuse issues in a treatment centre.

he gave me an analogy concerning the Methylphenidate medication he treats my condition with saying "Methylphenidate is like aspirin compared to Meth"

I think he was refering to the street form which addicts use/abuse, not the pharmaceutical medicine which some here find quite satisfactory.

Hope this clears things up. if not feel free to comment.

Edward
06-27-07, 11:21 PM
he gave me an analogy concerning the Methylphenidate medication he treats my condition with saying "Methylphenidate is like aspirin compared to Meth"

that's such a horrible smilie, i wouldn't repeat it if I were you ;)

Crazy~Feet
06-27-07, 11:26 PM
I think he was refering to the street form which addicts use/abuse, not the pharmaceutical medicine which some here find quite satisfactory.I agree and would like to remind anybody who happens to be curious that this thread is about legally prescribed stimulants. Use and abuse of illegal street drugs should not come into the picture.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled on topic--for ADDers :D--thread. Thanks!

alert
06-27-07, 11:36 PM
HA? why the issue?

He has seen people managed on Methylphenidate for, in some cases 20-40 years living like regular people.

He has yet to see, or treat, ANY street meth users doing so, and he has been in addiction medicine since the 1960's.

Crazy~Feet
06-27-07, 11:46 PM
My comment was NOT directed at you, alert, it was merely a moderator note to keep this thread on topic :)...these bothersome moderator notes do pop up from time to time, you know.

alert
06-28-07, 12:59 AM
No sweat Crazyfeet.

All anyone here wants is to be well and get on with life, whether that involves no treatment, being treated with Aspirin or anything else which gives folk here the chance to enjoy family, work, social activities.

I would like to think we are all in this together, and are supportive of each others situations.

Respect and Peace!

phrenic
06-28-07, 05:52 PM
"Since I get too sedated on Desoxyn"
--I can't understang this-SEDATED from the most potent ATS (amphetamine type stimulant) there is available?

I wish you could explain how the sedation manufests?

I have taken Ritalin, and Dexedrine had me going. I have read Desoxyn is the most efficious medication for hard-out Narcoleptics, so how can script methamphetamine make you few folk sedated? it is after all the same compound which abusers stay up on for days on end.

I just don't get it?Sedated to the point where next time I talk to my pharmacist I will suggest putting a sticky label on the Desoxyn bottle that says "caution when driving". It's written down on the specs sheet but no sticker on the bottle.

Physical sedation is what I'm talking about here...I wanted to sleep and couldn't get work done.

I actually would feel more comfortable driving on Valiums than Desoxyn (of course that's just a comparison for explanation's sake...don't drive on ANYTHING sedating).

Dex or Ritalin don't sedate me however, just Desoxyn. Now mentally, that's another story. Dex calms my thoughts.

I'm no chemist so I don't know why Desoxyn makes me want to sleep. But this sure just goes to show how the words "uppers" and "downers" shouldn't be thought of as just black or white. Chemicals and our brains are way too complicated for anyone assume simple reactions with medications.

alert
06-28-07, 07:07 PM
"

Originally Posted by attention
"Since I get too sedated on Desoxyn"
--I can't understang this-SEDATED from the most potent ATS (amphetamine type stimulant) there is available?

I wish you could explain how the sedation manufests?

I have taken Ritalin, and Dexedrine had me going. I have read Desoxyn is the most efficious medication for hard-out Narcoleptics, so how can script methamphetamine make you few folk sedated? it is after all the same compound which abusers stay up on for days on end.

I just don't get it?"


I think Atention is somewhat mistaken. Street Methylamphetamine, AKA Crank is smoked in a pipe or injected IV in large amounts causing extreme euphoria.

The few folk here who are being medically treated with Desoxyn tablets (Methylamphetamine-yes, but a medicine) seem to be quite satisfied with their management with less SE's than any other meds and more satisfactory results.

Blame damn media hysteria, but Desoxyn medicine and bathtub meth are quite different-Attention.

Edward
06-28-07, 10:26 PM
"

Originally Posted by attention
"Since I get too sedated on Desoxyn"
--I can't understang this-SEDATED from the most potent ATS (amphetamine type stimulant) there is available?

I wish you could explain how the sedation manufests?

I have taken Ritalin, and Dexedrine had me going. I have read Desoxyn is the most efficious medication for hard-out Narcoleptics, so how can script methamphetamine make you few folk sedated? it is after all the same compound which abusers stay up on for days on end.

I just don't get it?"


I think Atention is somewhat mistaken. Street Methylamphetamine, AKA Crank is smoked in a pipe or injected IV in large amounts causing extreme euphoria.

The few folk here who are being medically treated with Desoxyn tablets (Methylamphetamine-yes, but a medicine) seem to be quite satisfied with their management with less SE's than any other meds and more satisfactory results.

Blame damn media hysteria, but Desoxyn medicine and bathtub meth are quite different-Attention.

Here's another thing, the people that are using methamphetamine on the streets have not been diagnosed with ADHD, so it's probably effecting them in a much different way

And another point:
What is being sold on the street as methamphetamine, is no in no way guaranteed to be solely methamphetamine, or even be methamphetamine at all, so anyone referring to 'street meth' can not even compare it to Desoxyn, because 'street meth' is just a slang term with no standards and regulation at all;
so any Dr.(or anyone else for that matter) trying to compare the chemical d-methamphetamine(the active ingreident in Desoxyn) with what he's seen people who say that've bought and used 'meth' off the street is just talking for the sake of talking and doesn't truely believe this himself, and if he does believe this then he doesn't know the truth of the matter.

Even if pure d-methamphetamine were being sold on the street (without any inactive cuts), no one buying it would have an analytical scale to weigh out 5mg increments and then eat the same 25mg dose every day (as you've said they'd inject or smoke it)

Everyzig2101
09-08-07, 07:21 PM
Well 3 months in, i'm now taking desoxyn in 12.5mg and then 7.5mg in the morning and afternoon, and it's working real well. It seems like adderall forced me to concentrate where as desoxyn "allows" me to concentrate. Anyone else get this? I also feel much more mentally relaxed, which sometimes leads me to question whether i'm on top of all of my responsibilities (i always am, i just feel like i breeze through them instead of being super zoned in on getting every little thing done like on adderall). Physically though i find i'm less settled down and more jittery than i was on adderall (which put me to sleep from time to time), however it's not an unpleasant stimulant-feeling jitteryness. The best part of it all is that my level of anxiety and resulting obsessiveness (ie: hyperfocusing on a source of anxiety) has gone drastically down. That was a particular problem for me on adderall. However it seems strange once in a while that i'm not living a life of ups and downs like i used to. I think i was so used to being inadequately treated by my old meds that I have never really lived life where i had constant smooth concentration! It feels boring living a life that isnt defined by constantly searching for a source of stimulation.

Anyone else have thoughts on any of this?

Bugs-n-Bunnys
09-11-07, 12:16 AM
Desoxyn allows me to be calm, cool, and collected.

I used to self medicate via bulemia nervosa for 19 years - then desoxyn came into my life and it stopped immediately

I tried everything to stop my eating disorder - inpatient treatment - all sorts of drugs - everything - I was bingeing and puring up to 15 times a day (amazing I got anything done) the Dr. said that released the same chemicals that the desoxyn does - but the desoxyn doesn't errode my throat or teeth!

It really amazes me.

It also allows me to realize when some of my other issues are coming up like OCD and trichitolamania - and it allows me to refocus those obseive thoughts and actions to more useful tasks. For example when I start to pull things including my hair - I quickly realize it and go outside and pull weeds instead - as where prior to Desoxyn I would go into almost a hypnotic trance and not even realize what I was doing.

I am really thankful I found a Dr. willing to prescripe it to me.

Bugs-n-Bunnys
09-11-07, 12:39 AM
Desoxyn causes the norepinephrine transporter, dopamine transporter, and serotonin transporter to reverse it direction of flow. This inversion leads to a release of these transmitters from the vesicles to the cytoplasm and from the cytoplasm to the synapse. desoxyn also indirectly prevents the reuptake of these neurtransmitters, causing them to remain in the synaptic cleft longer.

The sedation is from SO very much of norepinephrine, dopamine and serotonin being in your system all at once - it is serious overload - so much so that your body just cannot keep up and therefore "gives up" so to speak.

People with ADHD have too much of these transmitters in their system to begin with - ie the hyperactivity - therefore when you add even more the hyperactivity crashes - the sedation feeling. Your muscles and nerves can only be buzzed (so to speak) so high, then they stop buzzing

It's like we are already on stimulants compared to "normal" people, but "downers" bring us WAY down - sometimes too far down - but stimluants bring us up high enough to reach our breaking point and finally calm us down.

If that makes any sence at all?

qinkin
09-12-07, 05:32 PM
That actually makes A LOT OF sense. .

BTW, Bugs n Bunnys

mcEmpire
10-02-07, 02:17 PM
to everyzig:

You are worried about the potential for long-term brain damage caused by methamphetamine.


Yes, METH can cause degeneration of dopaminergic and serotonergic neurons, especially at higher doses.


But, I hope you read my post, recent studies suggest that post-administration of a dopamine transporter blocker ( such as methylphenidate ) after consumption of METH may prevent any neurotoxic effects caused by METH.


The reseearchers suggest that METH ( Desoxyn ) decreases vesicular dopamine uptake , which leads to vesicular dopamine depletion after a while

( vesicles are the stores for synaptically released dopamine )

When dopamine vesicles are depleted, dopaminergic deficits occur ( and hence the adhd gets even worse ).

But ( according to the stuy ), if methylphenidate is taken after Desoxyn wears off later in the day, vesicular dopamine uptake increases and the stores are refilled.


So, generally speaking, taking a small dose of methylphenidate when Desoxyn wears off would prevent both tolerance to desoxyn and ( potentially ) dopaminergic deficits.

to all:

Does anybody know more about this topic?


To everyzig:

Maybe you can discuss this combo with your doctor. I am convinced that, if you are desperated with adhd med tolerance, desoxyn and a low dose of methylphenidate ( ritalin ) when desoxyn wears off would be much better than trying another stimulant.


Links to the studies:

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/304/3/1181


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6SYR-483SN2S-KD&_user=10&_coverDate=04%2F16%2F1990&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1463983ceeb6b9b9c4dbf8fdaa17232c

lars
10-02-07, 02:49 PM
Does anybody know more about this topic?
I only know about it based on my own experience from having taken Desoxyn in combination with methylphenidate, or dexmethylphenidate.

I have found that the combination of Desoxyn with dexmethylphenidate is much better for me than the combination of Desoxyn with methylphenidate.

I am currently taking a Dexedrine/Focalin combo that I prefer over the Desoxyn/Focalin combo.

PS Thanks for posting the links. ;)

rd111234
11-08-07, 10:09 PM
I am thinking about trying out Desoxyn for predominantly inattentive ADD. Do small dosages (such as 5 mg in a day) lead to brain degeneration and a worsening of ADD symptoms?

Also, how long do you typically need to be taking the drug typically for degeneration to occur and is there a way to track this to prevent it from happening?

rd111234
11-29-07, 03:20 AM
I've taken desoxyn for a couple of days and feel cool/calm but disorientated (visual memory abit impaired at times, less coordinated, lose direction but react quickly) on it. I also feel loss of focus/zombie like about 4 hours later and throughout the rest of the day after the drug wears off.

One wierd aspect I've noticed is that I can think quicker on what I want to say to someone and am a lot more opinionated but can't necessarily process information around me (like listening) quite as well? But maybe what it does is "allows" (like Bugs-n-bunnies says above) me to listen?

I'd like to try something else after another few days trialing this. Any suggestions?

lars
12-03-07, 12:14 AM
I'd like to try something else after another few days trialing this. Any suggestions?
I would suggest talking to your Dr. about the possibility of whether or not Focalin, or Dexedrine might be a good option for you to try.

I have found Desoxyn, Focalin, and Dexedrine to be "heads & shoulders" above the other prescription stimulants in both effectiveness, and lower incidence of side effects.

I hope that you will keep us posted on what you and your Dr. decide to try next.

hollyduck
12-03-07, 06:33 AM
Drowsy on stimulants...Me too. With me it's only been with coffee, (haven't got meds yet) I called it "paradoxical drowsiness" for a couple of decades and never understood it. If coffee keeps everyone else awake and gives them energy and focus, I thought, then why not me?

Worse, it would make me soooo tired, so I would go to bed...and not be able to sleep. Very frustrating.

Ducky

rd111234
12-03-07, 06:17 PM
Hollyduck, do you take any stimulant medication that you don't get drowsy on while the drug is in effect (and not the time period during which it wears off)?

Anyway, as for the update, I called into the clinic and requested a trial on Dexedrine for 14 days. They ended up mailing me a prescription for long-acting 15 mg spansules that I should be able to pick it up from the pharmacy tomorrow.

ozchris
12-03-07, 06:29 PM
Hollyduck, do you take any stimulant medication that you don't get drowsy on while the drug is in effect (and not the time period during which it wears off)?

Anyway, as for the update, I called into the clinic and requested a trial on Dexedrine for 14 days. They ended up mailing me a prescription for long-acting 15 mg spansules that I should be able to pick it up from the pharmacy tomorrow.
You may find Dexedrine has a drowsy effect too... Hopefully not though.

I find most those type of stimulants a bit sedative. It's different for everyone however.

The meds where I got an increase in energy were: Adderall and Ritilan.

rd111234
12-08-07, 02:58 AM
Ozchris, what do you take that's the least sedative? I'm on spansules right now and find a dazing effect that occurs about 6 hours after taking it (occurs sooner if take the drug subsequent days in a row).


I simply want clarity of mind not bull**** flat/calming effects induced by norepinephirin. Give some advice and maybe I'll have a life and have you to thank for it.;)

Matt S.
12-12-07, 08:13 PM
The Desoxyn Gradumets were a superior Long acting medicine when they were available, those were the days.

lars
12-18-07, 04:09 PM
The Desoxyn Gradumets were a superior Long acting medicine when they were available, those were the days.Even though the Desoxyn Gradumets are no longer available, a Dr (in the USA) can still prescribe an extended release version containing the exact same active ingredient used in that product by choosing to use a compounding pharmacy.

This is a perfectly legal option, and is usually done in cases where a particular version of a drug has been discontinued, but where some patients claimed that version actually worked best for them.

ClimbingSoul
04-17-08, 11:30 PM
Hi,

I have 2 main points I'd like to offer. They are both my personal first hand experience and my findings from my own (broad) research into ADHD manifestations and possible cause or causes.

1) The INITIAL thrust of this thread: "DESOXYN is the best", is true. HOWEVER, I only hold that position FOR ME. If you are like me (and your ADHD is caused and/or manifests like mine) then it might be best for you too. If not, not.

2) The RECENT discussion of this thread: "How can you few be SEDATED by the most powerful STIMULANT out there?" has, I have found, a rather straightforward answer.

Edward, in his earlier post, touched on the answer. He said, "..the people that are using methamphetamine on the streets have not been diagnosed with ADHD, so it's probably effecting them in a much different way."

Exactly.

Russell Barkley in his book, "ADHD and the Nature of Self-Control" states that what may be the unifying root concept to understand ADHD as opposed to (for lack of a better term) "more normal" human development, is a large part of the function of the frontal lobes of the brain.

That function and that unifying concept is: EXECUTIVE FUNCTION of the brain.

***** EXECUTIVE FUNCTION - An Oversimplification *****
Parts of the brain are responsible for different things such as your senses, your speech, your memory, your responses, etc. just like different musicians in an orchestra. These parts of your brain can function on their own. But, for the parts to work together in an organized fashion, requires the help of a CONDUCTOR; the frontal lobes' EXECUTIVE FUNCTION.

The Executive Function in the brain can be compared to the Conductor in the orchestra.

Without a conductor, instruments may play but it isn't music; the result is a disorganized mess.

Without Executive Functioning to orchestrate the activity... without Executive Function, to to bring all the parts together in harmony, our ADHD brains work alright! They work like crazy! But the result is kinda crazy too.
***** get the idea? *****

OK, so if (for short) we can think of ADHD as (in part) deficient executive functioning in our few brains, then understanding "..how can script methamphetamine make you few folk sedated?" is actually simple.

We few ADHD people appear to be overstimulated because we are overstimulated... by our own senses. There's no conductor to quiet the ears during the lullaby, to soften the touch, or calm the crescendo as new theme after new theme sweeps through us.

Ahhh, but if only we could wake the sleeping conductor. If only we could rouse him to his task of managing all the blaring, attending to the goals the composer had in mind, attending to our goals rather than just throwing everything into an unchecked frenzy with everything at full volume. If we could instead manage the noise, FILTERING which gets through and which gets silenced. If we could somehow boost our ability to tune in to what we want and to tune out what we don't wish to attend to...

Then the harmony would be unmistakable as it washed over us. The calm too, when we wished the performance to end.

It would be easy to see because we would suddenly look just like everyone else.

When we few take our prescribed stimulants, we are finally able to control the show, we are finally able to bring our ability to manage the outside world's constant onslaught up to the level that everyone else simply woke up with.

Stimulant medications hype US up - to where EVERYONE ELSE IDLES.

When WE ARE on stimulants, OUR filters finally come on-line and the never ending input from all of OUR senses finally eases under OUR control.

I'm taking enough methamphetamine to get a typical high school CLASS high. But I'm not typical so instead, everything in my head grows quieter and, in the calm, I can usually get a little rest.

..if that's what I turn my attention to.

:o

purerealm
06-09-08, 04:03 AM
For those of you who feel drowsy on stimulants, has it always been this way? It's only started happening for me after I burned out my dopamine receptors from escalating dosages of adderall, culminating in 2 megadoses of dex (200mg) that send me to the emergency room. Actually, I was already feeling tired from the stims before that, but I had just taken more and more of the stims to overcome the fatigue.

And.. I think this rebound effect is what's causing all of these ADDers to feel drowsy or tired from stims, yes even desoxyn... take several doses at once and see how that makes you feel, too bad it pretty much indicates that the medication is UNSUSTAINABLE in the long run

OhHappyDay
06-20-08, 09:41 PM
Pardon my making this small correction, but I believe you mean 'panacea' rather than panache.
Nevertheless, YOUR posting helped me to educate myself AND my physician with regard to the myriad treatments available (effective or not) to those with ADHD.

Thank you!

OhHappyDay
06-20-08, 09:47 PM
Excellently put.

OhHappyDay
06-20-08, 09:49 PM
I WAS able to read the entire posting and thank you for the enlightenment.

BondedCasinos
09-15-08, 02:17 AM
Hi all,

I started out self medicating and if not busted for possession would have went all my life not knowing other than I could accomplish things on meth I never dreamed before. (diagnosed in top 1/2 of 1%) whatever that means but i took it to mean : you got it bad :).

worked manual job, went from that to teaching myself to type, then the PC, and less than 10 yrs later I'm sucessful in what is a very competitive niche on line.

When I can't self medicate I do exactly what has been stated (I mean when I'm on ritlin, concerta, dexedrine, adderall, etc) covered almost them all.

Dr said he'll petition to subscribe me desoxyn next. I hope it works out because just as others have point out .. my life isn't calm, there is little peace of mind .. and even more so now that I'm aware there's something wrong with me, that a med will fix it... and frankly it makes me angry that if things don't work out my only recourse is to go to the street.

as for the sleeping, I have been an insomniac all my life until using meth. For the first time in my entire life i got to feel what it was like to do what I had seen so many others do ... lay down and go to sleep instead of laying awake ... and yes i'm a feet wiggler.

None of that using the meth.

some of the other meds came close but they first of all had the bad side effects mentioned but with the exception of the racing heart, which I only experienced from (I think it was concerta or adderall. ... I get them mixed up as to which bad side effect goes to which med) and second they not only made me anxious but also very short with people like I was in a hurry to get somewhere ... and lots of energy to get there ... but none of the calm mind spoke of here ...

one last thing I notice is that in my business you have to re-hash a lot of same material. I mean there's only so many ways to tell somebody how to pull a slot machine handle.

That said you still must find a way. I notice my imagination (which one teacher once told my mother I had the most of any student she ever had) ... does not seem stifled like it does with the others .. and what's great is ... you can actually remember some of those unique ideas the next day.

cause how many have had a ton of great ideas .... seriously were ... only to forget them when you wanted to bring it back up?

I just get too many to keep track. I try to write it down but once again the adhd comes into play. I gotta remember to write ... sigh.

BondedCasinos
09-15-08, 02:25 AM
take several doses at once

bad advice. but I'm sure meant in a non-literal tone.

This begs the question since we are all different ... that perhaps you had a different form of add/hd ?

I just say that because I very much associate with the posts about wiggling feet, having a calming effect on me (the meth anyway, the ritlin and others seemed to either make me fidgety or like someone mentioned, unable to stay focused on one subject for long period of time)

btw: the dex seemed to increase my eating. I am one that eats when ancy and I was surprised (and not) , better said enlightened about the eating effecting same part of the brain as we need attention.

BondedCasinos
09-15-08, 02:44 AM
Even if pure d-methamphetamine were being sold on the street (without any inactive cuts), no one buying it would have an analytical scale to weigh out 5mg increments and then eat the same 25mg dose every day (as you've said they'd inject or smoke it)

Beg to differ but only on details.

25mg is often sold in that amounts: and weighing it is no trouble at all. Simply contruct a counterweight such as a stick with a centered string to hang from, (stick is hung to have each end horizontal from the other) , then using same size baggy on each end, (I have fish hooks attached to the ends to catch the baggy), you put the drug into one side and then use a 1 dollar bill (American) as it will weigh 1 gram. cut into 4ths, it will weigh 1/4 a gram. as counterbalance.

from there you can just cut the pile into 5 smaller piles to achieve toe 5mg dose you're talking about.

As mentioned I was self-medicating. I tried to be as accurate as possible.


Now the reason I disagree only on detail is that none of the weight factor matters when the drug is not of consistent quality.

ozchris
09-15-08, 02:55 AM
Beg to differ but only on details.

25mg is often sold in that amounts: and weighing it is no trouble at all. Simply contruct a counterweight such as a stick with a centered string to hang from, (stick is hung to have each end horizontal from the other) , then using same size baggy on each end, (I have fish hooks attached to the ends to catch the baggy), you put the drug into one side and then use a 1 dollar bill (American) as it will weigh 1 gram. cut into 4ths, it will weigh 1/4 a gram. as counterbalance.

from there you can just cut the pile into 5 smaller piles to achieve toe 5mg dose you're talking about.

As mentioned I was self-medicating. I tried to be as accurate as possible.


Now the reason I disagree only on detail is that none of the weight factor matters when the drug is not of consistent quality.


I did this as well, only with a very accurate scale and after washing the methamphetamine in acetone. This only lasted a short while though, I would hate to be doing it for a long time, such a lengthy process and it's easy to start taking higher doses.

Thank god for meds. scripted by a doctor.

mystery
09-15-08, 12:48 PM
I did this as well, only with a very accurate scale and after washing the methamphetamine in acetone. This only lasted a short while though, I would hate to be doing it for a long time, such a lengthy process and it's easy to start taking higher doses.

Thank god for meds. scripted by a doctor.

That's interesting that you mention that. It's in line with the research that supports that being properly medicated for ADHD reduces substance abuse. It could be that if doctors were more inclined to prescribe the stigmatized meds (dexedrine, desoxyn), which are actually highly effective, then maybe substance abuse would be even lower among the ADHD population.

amu_d
09-15-08, 02:46 PM
That's interesting that you mention that. It's in line with the research that supports that being properly medicated for ADHD reduces substance abuse. It could be that if doctors were more inclined to prescribe the stigmatized meds (dexedrine, desoxyn), which are actually highly effective, then maybe substance abuse would be even lower among the ADHD population.

Exactly. Adderall and Ritalin need to be replaced with Dexedrine, Focalin, and Desoxyn as the first-line treatments.

Contrapunctus
10-02-08, 06:36 PM
25mg is often sold in that amounts: and weighing it is no trouble at all. Simply contruct a counterweight such as a stick with a centered string to hang from, (stick is hung to have each end horizontal from the other) , then using same size baggy on each end, (I have fish hooks attached to the ends to catch the baggy), you put the drug into one side and then use a 1 dollar bill (American) as it will weigh 1 gram. cut into 4ths, it will weigh 1/4 a gram. as counterbalance.

from there you can just cut the pile into 5 smaller piles to achieve toe 5mg dose you're talking about.

As mentioned I was self-medicating. I tried to be as accurate as possible.


Now the reason I disagree only on detail is that none of the weight factor matters when the drug is not of consistent quality.

Yikes, this is quite inaccurate! Why not take one gram (weigh this on a .1g scale) and dissolve in 100ml in water (after washing impurities from the drug, someone mentioned acetone, which would work), yeilding a solution of 10mg/ml.

Street methamphetamine can come in racemic and enantiomerically pure forms. The reduction of ephedrine/pseudoephedrine should theoretically yield only the d-isomer, whereas a synthesis using the reductive amination of phenyl-2-propanone should yield d,l-methamphetamine.

Needless to say, d-methamphetamine is superior in treating ADHD, while d,l-methamphetamine may likely give a stronger "body high" or "buzz"...

davidlaska
02-06-09, 11:58 AM
"I'll gain 'tolerance' to desoxyn and it will eventually turn me into a zombie again like adderall did? "

We all do gain tolerance to these stimulants, but since the dosage is controlled, you may want to skip the days that you don't need to concentrate. I can't take the meds when I am have cold, so by the time I get well, the meds work like the first time I took them. Naturally, you will run my post by your Doc first...

qinkin
02-07-09, 01:28 PM
"I'll gain 'tolerance' to desoxyn

It's like saying that we gain tolerance to Vitamin C..

Nevertheless, it effects you on a daily basis, I'd say... sounds like placebo... like people who enjoy fasting.. (not entirely placebo). nontheless, I think it's YOU and your style

the chemicals in adderall have half-lives 4-6 hours.. try smaller doses.. I dunno, I remember meds being a recurring, refreshing experience..

merovingian
03-30-09, 01:56 AM
I personally disagree with the notion that one should just start with the 5mg dose twice a day off the bat as it is generally prescribed to new patients. I had an initial "sleepy" response to Desoxyn at 5mg along with other known side effects such as mild headache and being slightly jittery. The next day I started up at 1/4 5mg pill twice per day and raised it by a 1/4 pill twice each day till I hit 5mg twice per day as prescribed. Ramping up slowly like this produced no side effects for me, I'm not sure how the shock of the 5mg inital dosage skews the data for those trying to repeat my experiance but as a rule of thumb, I almost always start really low for new prescriptions to avoid unwanted side effects. For whatever reason, my body and probably the bodies of many others seem to be able to adjust to many side effects if the medication is introduced slowly. I'm not a doctor but if I had to ramp up fast I might ask my doctor if I should start the first day on 1/4 5mg pill per hour for four hours until you experiance unwanted side effects and no more pills for the rest of the day but again, I'd ask a doctor if any of this advice is good advice.

Yellow
05-19-09, 12:29 AM
if desoxyn is best, i would at least like to give a shot, i mean DEX is fantastic, i cant imagine something better than this. i would really like to give it a shot and if its as great as you say, maybe i can get rid of klonopin altogether, which would be great, 1 less med .....do any of you, or do any of oyu know anyone on desoxyn who also is treated with an SNRI or SSRI?

Chris Read
05-28-09, 01:45 PM
Whoever is getting sedated or sleepy on stimulants probably is taking too low a dose. When I started on Adderall I took 15 mg. and it knocked me out cold for 8 hours. As I titrated the dose up, it made me alert and clear headed. Later, I had to switch to dextromaphetamine spansules because the same dosage schedule of amphetamine salts combo (generic for regular Adderall) started giving me terrible anxiety as the dose wore off. Not only are people different, the same person can change over time.
So don't despair, just keep trying until you get it right for you.

blbalanoff
09-10-09, 08:53 PM
I haven't had an oppurtunity to try Desoxyn yet, although in my life I have been on Ritalin, Concerta and (for the past several years) Adderrall....additionally I have tried Adderrall XR, Dexedrine and (regrettably) screwed around with Crystal Meth for a semester or so in college. Being that I have a relatively extensive background in stimulants, I'll say this....

Keep in mind that Desoxyn is the only pharmaceutical stimulant (to my knowledge) that is comprised of Methamphetamine. Whereas Ritalin (and similar meds) are methylphenidate, and Adderrall (and similar meds) are either dextroamphetamine, a D-amphetamine salt combo or lisdexamphetamine, Desoxyn is methamphetamine. Basically, you're taking legal meth.
I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, and clearly the difference between meth on the street and prescription meth is a big one (cheifly the fact that street meth has God knows what in it, and Desoxyn is 100% pure), but you should keep in mind that Desoxyn contains, in effect, the strongest stimulant out there, and the threshold for possible addiction is very high (even more so than with something like Adderrall or Dexedrine). If it works for you, then more power to you. Just be wary if you find yourself having to increase your dosage too frequently. Desoxyn is powerful stuff.

Fima
09-13-09, 09:32 AM
I like the whole story of Meth, and when I heared that its given to ADD treatment I thought things like "what the ****? maybe its not updated information since Meth has soo much side effects" but now I read some sucess story's and I see that it really help's, I was just wondering
1.how the effect goes, does it give's you an euphoria?
2.it gives long term side effects like street meth? or it's given in smaller amount's that won't harm you?
3.is that the best solution? or someone had better experience with other medication's?

qinkin
09-13-09, 05:15 PM
well, the article I read, gives the impression that it was BETTER, than any other amphetamine medication invented afterwards...

i experienced less effects when I switched from adderall...

it lasts longer, as well.which can lead to less side-effects, IMO..

unfortunately, i think it costs around 40-50 dollars per bottle.. w/insurance

if money ain't no thang 4you...and if a pharmacy you know, can get it for you....and if you like stimulant meds better, or they make more sense to you... then get Desoxyn..

but maybe you should try a med that usually treats narcolepsy...dunno, i heard those last much longer, and DO MORE.. never tried them

just goin' by memory...not a paid expert... bye

addadult16
09-27-09, 06:24 PM
Desoxyn is the best for me, I went through almost 3 years of trials with not even a blip on the scale to relieve my symptoms. Started with Wellbutrin, Ritalin, Dexedrine etc. but no relief whatsoever. Meanwhile I am hearing all these stories about the life changing experiences people have when they find a drug that relieves their symptoms. I was beginning to give up hope when I tried Adderall and had that "life changing" experience myself. I was ecstatic and my life started to come together in all areas, focused, organized, everything I had been missing for 34 years!
I did have some side effects, jittery, *****y etc. but the benefits far outweighed the side effects so when my doctor wanted to try one more drug I was to say the least, resistant. I didn't want to give up my new found life but he finally convinced me to try one more drug, Desoxyn. This drug has allowed me to live my life to the fullest and be all that I want to be with no side effects whatsoever! Not only that but my blood pressure went down on this drug and that still amazes me today. My problem is that I recently relocated from the east coast to Utah and finding a doctor who will prescribe this drug is impossible. The reaction I get varies but because of the "methamphetamine" stigma these people act like I'm some kind of junkie looking for a fix!! I can't even get them to discuss it with me, they just shut me down as soon as I say Desoxyn. I wrote to the company that makes the drug and ask for their assistance in finding a doctor in Utah because after 20 years of having a productive and wonderful life, I am not willing to give it up without a fight. Anybody know a doctor in Utah that is willing to discuss this drug in a rational conversation??

ADHD_Neophyte
11-30-09, 03:11 AM
What do you mean by most potent amphetamine type stimulant?

dexamphetamine is a more potent psychostimulant for rats than dexmethamphetamine


Edward, where did you learn that? I'm not trying to call you out, but I'd like to read that article (and I'm sure other members on this thread would too). I actually read that Methamphetamine has "more potent centrally acting properties and less potent peripherally acting properties than d-amphetamine" (Halpren, MD Harvard: Treatment of Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder JAMA Vol. 281 No. 16, April 28, 1999)



I have to assume that Dr. Halpren is referring to d-Methamphetamine (Desoxyn), because he discusses treatments and I believe that was the only schedule II meth in 1999.



I think most people who have taken dex and Desoxyn would agree with you that dex has a more potent "feel", i.e. the patient feels more energetic. This might be better for some patients, as some have indicated that Desoxyn makes them feel drowsy. However, Desoxyn is generally effective at lower dosages than Dex, which, IMO, makes Desoxyn more potent.

sPacie~Gracie
03-29-10, 11:41 AM
I have a Question? have any of you, experianced a high level of seritonin release that feels like electrical current going through your head with presure too? on Focalin, Ritalin or any of the ones that have racemix or d-I?

sPacie~Gracie
03-29-10, 11:57 AM
I have hopes for Desoxyn. I tried Vyvanse, Ritalin, Focalin (I did like focalin but I was still tired by midd day) now im taking Amp- saltmix Gen Adderal, but I don’t feel that calm. When I was on Ritalin and Focalin I was calm but I couldn’t focus or concentrate or complete a task. Ill get bored or over whelmed, and what really sucks (for my hubby) I have NO SEX DRIVE! Haven't for years!...........

sPacie~Gracie
03-29-10, 12:06 PM
[quote=Everyzig2101;469489]Well 3 months in, i'm now taking desoxyn in 12.5mg and then 7.5mg in the morning and afternoon, and it's working real well. It seems like adderall forced me to concentrate where as desoxyn "allows" me to concentrate. Anyone else get this? I also feel much more mentally relaxed, which sometimes leads me to question whether i'm on top of all of my responsibilities (i always am, i just feel like i breeze through them instead of being super zoned in on getting every little thing done like on adderall). Physically though i find i'm less settled down and more jittery than i was on adderall (which put me to sleep from time to time), however it's not an unpleasant stimulant-feeling jitteryness. The best part of it all is that my level of anxiety and resulting obsessiveness (ie: hyperfocusing on a source of anxiety) has gone drastically down. That was a particular problem for me on adderall. However it seems strange once in a while that i'm not living a life of ups and downs like i used to. I think i was so used to being inadequately treated by my old meds that I have never really lived life where i had constant smooth concentration! It feels boring living a life that isnt defined by constantly searching for a source of stimulation.

Anyone else have thoughts on any of this?[OMGGGSH!! I do I do! I got to call my Doc!]

Yellow
04-07-10, 10:32 PM
So, although at the risk of sounding like a broken record (ive posted in joy whenever i try a new med and it seems like a panache, only to find out after the initial period that it wasnt what i wanted), I will say that I believe that desoxyn (the final med i hadnt tried) is going to change my life. I figured i'd share my stimulant story to contribute my wide variety of experiences with adhd drugs. \

And, if you were able to read this entire post, congratulations (sorry it's so long)

i must say,i passed off desoxyn in the past because of many things such as erowid, but after goin thru the gamut (add>dex>focalni>dex again) i realize that i have to give desoxyn a shot and im ready to face the stigma....idk anymore, like u said, i wana change it for the better and dex isnt doin it, so good post,u changed my mind

jessicaf
04-07-10, 11:06 PM
I am in a custody suit with my ex who is/was a serious methamphetamines abuser. When I noted my concerns to the court, which included descriptions of his erratic and aggressive behavior over the past summer, he was required to get a hair test, and lo and behold it came up extremely positive (25,000+pg/mg and 3000+pg/mg) for methamphetamines and amphetamines. He is now claiming that this is due to a prescription for Desoxyn, which he has obtained, along with maximum dosage prescriptions for Ritalin and Adderall (amphetamines). I strongly suspect that the hair test numbers were the result of street drug usage, and that the fact that he holds so many prescriptions is simply a result of drug-seeking behavior. Meanwhile he has burned our son with cigarettes, and recently taken our son to visit his dealer, none of which I can prove, but the bottom line is that my son's safety and well-being are at stake here. The courts seem to be perfectly okay with his explanation, because he has a legitimate prescription, and despite the fact that his test results are known to be extremely high and thus probably not the result of a therapeutic dosage, I can't find a medical expert who is aware of any research comparing dosages and hair test results.

So, I'm interested in doing the research myself. Is there anyone on this forum who is currently taking Desoxyn, who doesn't use meth recreationally, who would be willing to submit a hair test in order to get a comparative result? I would make all the arrangements with the lab, pay for the test and also compensate you for your time, say $50.

Yellow
04-07-10, 11:10 PM
So, although at the risk of sounding like a broken record (ive posted in joy whenever i try a new med and it seems like a panache, only to find out after the initial period that it wasnt what i wanted), I will say that I believe that desoxyn (the final med i hadnt tried) is going to change my life. I figured i'd share my stimulant story to contribute my wide variety of experiences with adhd drugs. \

And, if you were able to read this entire post, congratulations (sorry it's so long)

i must say,i passed off desoxyn in the past because of many things such as erowid, but after goin thru the gamut (add>dex>focalni>dex again) i realize that i have to give desoxyn a shot and im ready to face the stigma....idk anymore, like u said, i wana change it for the better and dex isnt doin it, so good post

Pause2Reflect
04-21-10, 02:58 AM
Jessicaf:

Heartfelt accolades for your efforts to protect your son. And I think your comparison idea is clever and creative.

Unfortunately, it strikes me as unlikely the court would find the results relevant. There is substantial variability in how individuals metabolize these drugs. It would likely be expected even for two individuals of the same body mass to have different concentrations in their hair samples, despite their both having taken the same psychostimulant in the same doses at the same intervals for the same amount of time. It's possible this is among the reasons you have yet to find a medical expert who can confirm whether your objective -- to detect street drug abuse versus the therapeutic use of a prescription drug with overlapping composition -- is presently possible.

Then again, I'm neither a physician nor a biochemist. The latter, in particular, might be the sort of expert who could find an answer as to whether any test can differentiate between Desoxyn and "street" methamphetamine in the human body. Perhaps there are detectable agents present in almost all street methamphetamine not present in Desoxyn, or vice versa. Just thinking aloud.

Violence is another matter entirely, and need not be related in the slightest to your ex's use, legal or otherwise, of stimulants. Unthinkable violence on children has been committed by severely mentally ill and merely inhuman (as differentiated from mentally ill) parents stretching as far back before chemical stimulants were invented as records of human depravity exist. Even since such drugs became available, children have been subjected to violent abuse by innumerable parents who had never ingested, injected, or inhaled an illicit or prescribed psychotropic. (And don't get me started on the matter of Catholic priests.)

I suspect the greatest value would come from focusing most on procuring evidence specific to the suspected violence. (That adequate evidence of your son being burned by a cigarette could not be presented in court is surprising; such a burn leaves a distinctive, enduring scar about which a physician would be deeply concerned.) Of course, if you have the resources, you could also hire a private detective to determine whether your ex is indeed obtaining illicit drugs, and collect indisputable evidence if he is.

I rarely contribute in these forums because doing so taxes me. (No doubt related to producing my "defensively stilted" style of prose). I found the requisite motivation in your alarming circumstances. I hope you find something tucked away in my disjointed post of use in your noble endeavor.

Gormur
05-10-10, 06:08 PM
D-meth makes me feel awake & focused. I feel more myself & can control my thoughts more readily as things are slowed down to focus, instead of having a head full of noise, as per usual

D-amphetamine, which is my script, helps me to organize my thoughts but i still have to push myself to do things & i get a little buzz from my scripted dose, so i don't feel totally normal like with meth

I'd say d-amp is half as effective as d-meth is for me. There are more distractions with d-amp, due to the PNS stimulation.. it's sort of like comparing caffeine to amphetamine. Of course amphetamine is subjectively smoother than caffeine.. then d-meth is smoother than d-amp

I've had racemic amp (adderall) & meth as well. The comparison is similar; racemics give a slight buzz. The racemic meth has less of a buzz for me, but it noticeably elevates my mood when i don't have a tolerance. It feels like i'm stoned but i can still think clearly

Hope that helps

qinkin
05-12-10, 01:45 PM
then d-meth is smoother than d-amp

What's the least expensive variety?

My insurance says
10dollar for generric
40 dollar for regular

Please tell me there is a generic for the d-meth, I tried it for a month or two, a few years ago and ya, it was cool, compared to adderall. But, adderall still helps either way, i say.

Josh_kelly
05-12-10, 02:49 PM
d-meth is desoxyn

a generic was just introduced and is available
it is by mylan

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erie
07-22-10, 08:06 PM
Well 3 months in, i'm now taking desoxyn in 12.5mg and then 7.5mg in the morning and afternoon, and it's working real well. It seems like adderall forced me to concentrate where as desoxyn "allows" me to concentrate. Anyone else get this? I also feel much more mentally relaxed, which sometimes leads me to question whether i'm on top of all of my responsibilities (i always am, i just feel like i breeze through them instead of being super zoned in on getting every little thing done like on adderall). Physically though i find i'm less settled down and more jittery than i was on adderall (which put me to sleep from time to time), however it's not an unpleasant stimulant-feeling jitteryness. The best part of it all is that my level of anxiety and resulting obsessiveness (ie: hyperfocusing on a source of anxiety) has gone drastically down. That was a particular problem for me on adderall.?

I'm totally on the same page as you here. Adderall made me focus whereas Desoxyn gives me the ability to focus. Adderall made me focus at the expense of losing my personality. I feel more like I'm me with the Desoxyn, just with a better ability to work through long tasks. Almost no side effects with the Desoxyn besides dry mouth.

qinkin
07-22-10, 09:19 PM
Almost no side effects with the Desoxyn besides dry mouth.
ya I don't remember any real side-effect

Did you have digestive issues? I'm having recurring digestive issues, which tend to get worse after my first dose of Adderall in the morning.. But it also helps me filter out the discomfort of ADHD.. So, I think everyone here understands..

But I don' remember having these problems a few years ago, or during childhood when I took Adderall.. :confused::confused:

adrenalinefix36
07-22-10, 11:52 PM
I would really love to see some kind of follow-up(how quickly you go up in dose if at all). I've only been on the forums for a few days and I've already seen many people who take absurd quantities of even the weaker drugs like ritalin and adderall. Seeing these statistics makes me wonder if it is really necessary to use meth just to concentrate and/or stay awake. I would definitely try everything else first due to the high rate of abuse. Please note that I am not criticizing you but rather suggesting to be super careful with these drugs as they can screw up your life, and subsequently the lives of some others around you(perhaps). Be safe

erie
07-26-10, 02:20 PM
ya I don't remember any real side-effect

Did you have digestive issues? I'm having recurring digestive issues, which tend to get worse after my first dose of Adderall in the morning.. But it also helps me filter out the discomfort of ADHD.. So, I think everyone here understands..

But I don' remember having these problems a few years ago, or during childhood when I took Adderall.. :confused::confused:
If I do get digestive issues, it is usually late in the day and after my 4 o' clock dosage. Usually it is attributed to the fact that I've skipped lunch. Making sure to keep at least a little something in my stomach throughout the day is something I need to work on. I've gotten into the habit of eating breakfast at 9AM and then not eating again till like 11PM or later.

I remember Adderall IR being harder on my stomach. Desoxyn really is just so much smooth for me in terms of side effects and highs/lows. I would get that little rush from Adderall and Vyvanse in the mornings when i first took it, and while it did feel nice, it isn't something I want as it can lead to "chasing the high". That euphoria is not something I feel from the desoxyn or eat least not to the degree of the Adderall and Vyvanse.

BTW, the digestive issue with desoxyn is just a slight uncomfortable feeling in my stomach. The only time is has really bothered me is if I have eaten too much food; but that has happened maybe twice.

On the Adderall it was worse, and did happen at the end of the day. Like a tight, crampy, acidic kinda feeling in my stomach

qinkin
07-26-10, 03:20 PM
*adrenalinefix36*
I would really love to see some kind of follow-up(how quickly you go up in dose if at all). I've only been on the forums for a few days and I've already seen many people who take absurd quantities of even the weaker drugs like ritalin and adderall. Seeing these statistics makes me wonder if it is really necessary to use meth just to concentrate and/or stay awake. I would definitely try everything else first due to the high rate of abuse. Please note that I am not criticizing you but rather suggesting to be super careful with these drugs as they can screw up your life, and subsequently the lives of some others around you(perhaps). Be safe"

oH come on, just try it for yourself.. Really, I'm not kidding...I bet you take over the counter medications from time to time.. Or you've had other pharmaceutical meds before? How did those turn out?

What statistics? Please share.

I am currently taking half of the dosage Adderall orignally prescribed to me about a year and a half ago.. In other words, chill would be a good way to put it?:)

_____

I remember Adderall IR being harder on my stomach.
Ok, ya that's exactly what I take. I'll try to get an Rx for the generic version of Desoxyn next appointment..By Mylan, is it? Did the doctor write "generic for Desoxyn" or something else, if you can remember, on your pharmacy note?

It's just cause, my other doctor had never heard of or prescribed desoxyn before (a few years ago)....Uhh, I hope this guy knows about all this.. perhaps it's good that I've been prescribed this before..

creativeadder
07-26-11, 01:08 AM
I'm so glad I came upon this post! I just went to a new dr. today who specializes in ADD, and he gave me a prescription for Desoxyn. I also find it interesting that it's sedating for some people.

FocusPocus10
08-24-11, 10:25 PM
D-meth makes me feel awake & focused. I feel more myself & can control my thoughts more readily as things are slowed down to focus, instead of having a head full of noise, as per usual

D-amphetamine, which is my script, helps me to organize my thoughts but i still have to push myself to do things & i get a little buzz from my scripted dose, so i don't feel totally normal like with meth

I'd say d-amp is half as effective as d-meth is for me. There are more distractions with d-amp, due to the PNS stimulation.. it's sort of like comparing caffeine to amphetamine. Of course amphetamine is subjectively smoother than caffeine.. then d-meth is smoother than d-amp

I've had racemic amp (adderall) & meth as well. The comparison is similar; racemics give a slight buzz. The racemic meth has less of a buzz for me, but it noticeably elevates my mood when i don't have a tolerance. It feels like i'm stoned but i can still think clearly

Hope that helps

How long you been on d-meth and what dosage bro?

Honeybadger
08-24-11, 11:14 PM
I'm glad it works for you, but desoxyn should by no means even be considered as a first-line treatment. It works on a veeeeeeeery narrow band of patients, it's very difficult to get hold of, and most insurance companies won't even cover it, or make you jump through flaming hoops to get it covered.

It's a great med for some, however, just remember that it's not some unique ADD med. It's pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine. Same kind of meth that junkies use. Very potent (though very safe with poor habit-forming characteristics in tablet form) and should be considered one of the last lines of medication trials, right up with strattera and provigil (all of these meds have their uses and can be life changingly awesome, they're just the least likely to work with most patients)

I take it, and it doesn't jack me up at all. It's pretty neutral, actually.

FocusPocus10
08-25-11, 06:52 AM
I'm glad it works for you, but desoxyn should by no means even be considered as a first-line treatment. It works on a veeeeeeeery narrow band of patients, it's very difficult to get hold of, and most insurance companies won't even cover it, or make you jump through flaming hoops to get it covered.

It's a great med for some, however, just remember that it's not some unique ADD med. It's pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine. Same kind of meth that junkies use. Very potent (though very safe with poor habit-forming characteristics in tablet form) and should be considered one of the last lines of medication trials, right up with strattera and provigil (all of these meds have their uses and can be life changingly awesome, they're just the least likely to work with most patients)

I take it, and it doesn't jack me up at all. It's pretty neutral, actually.

You make some good points, and I'm glad to hear you are doing well on this medication! However, I think it is erroneous to assume that just because "junkies abuse this medication" that you can assume anything about it whatsoever. Junkies abuse adderall, ritalin, focalin (cocalin as they call it), and pretty much every other stimulant on the planet! In fact, my research on these medications has lead me to some drug forums where I could see first-hand accounts from junkies. They often preferred adderall over desoxyn for tweaking out. As you say its very smooth for you, and I'm pretty sure most people find that to be true...which is why adderall is more of a tweaker drug. Meth is just easier to make and probably safer for smoking and injecting. Injecting like 50mg of adderall is almost a certain heart attack! Injecting 50mg of meth wouldn't hit the peripheral nervous system nearly as much (d-meth at least) and thus would be relatively safer than adderall.

PTyson
09-01-11, 11:39 AM
I have the same expierences with stimulents and sadation.... When I was on adderall it would actually put me to sleep ....When I had surgery and was prescribed perks they made me want to run a mile while it makes a lot of people want to sleep....

I have been told that these opposite effects actually prove the ADHD diagnosis. I too get "wired" from prescription pain killers. The only exception was Oxycotin. It did nothing for me. It didn't even take the edge of the pain off. My doctor often asks if I am having trouble sleeping. When I tell him that I can take the Adderall and 30 minutes later go to sleep he just shakes his head in near disbelief.

Honeybadger
09-03-11, 07:58 PM
You make some good points, and I'm glad to hear you are doing well on this medication! However, I think it is erroneous to assume that just because "junkies abuse this medication" that you can assume anything about it whatsoever. Junkies abuse adderall, ritalin, focalin (cocalin as they call it), and pretty much every other stimulant on the planet! In fact, my research on these medications has lead me to some drug forums where I could see first-hand accounts from junkies. They often preferred adderall over desoxyn for tweaking out. As you say its very smooth for you, and I'm pretty sure most people find that to be true...which is why adderall is more of a tweaker drug. Meth is just easier to make and probably safer for smoking and injecting. Injecting like 50mg of adderall is almost a certain heart attack! Injecting 50mg of meth wouldn't hit the peripheral nervous system nearly as much (d-meth at least) and thus would be relatively safer than adderall.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Taken as directed, as long as you aren't feeling a buzz from your dosage, you will NOT develop an addiction to any ADD medication. BUT, if you are taking an improper dosage, or are abusing it, desoxyn in particular is as addictive as the meth that it flat out is, completely irregardless of the method of administration. Street meth is less pure, and less potent than desoxyn(pure d-meth) because it's contaminated with L-meth. And injecting/smoking it will give you more "punch." But don't get confused into thinking that this isn't a serious med that works with only a select few patients, and that it should NOT be considered a "first-line" medication. If you've tried everything else, give it a shot. But it's not some wonderdrug.

mict4u
09-30-11, 10:50 PM
Desoxyn's seritonin activity is MUCH higher than d amphetamine giving you a more content calmer feeling....and ofcourse mood elevating:D dopamine activity is also more pronounced. D amp actually beats out meth in the norepinephrine which may also imo play a role in less "push" feeling from desoxyn. The L isomer in amphetamines is what gives ya most of the side affects. Some respond better to help add with the levo isomer in there. keeping your dose low with meth and taking breaks is a must if ya wanna improve your life. Most "Junkies" want d-meth cause euphoria is crazy at high doses and high doses are not really possible for enjoyment when the racmic mix is in the pic unless your into feeling jittery and sick.....if ya really want something in between dexadrine and desoxyn i recommend vyvance! It is d amp but the delivery system will give you a smoother feel:)

Bouncingoffwall
11-10-11, 01:35 PM
Man I can't touch any of the methylphenidate meds. Like hitting me with a tranquilizer dart. Indeed a strange phenomenon about stimulants.


J

I hear you. A good dose of Ritalin just might ensure me a good night's sleep.

That's why it's so darn effective for "hyperactivity" part of ADHD. Better for squirming kids in school, less effective for adults who need to stay awake to do their jobs.

js81pa
05-07-12, 10:26 PM
just a thought but perhaps, the stims are taxing your adrenal glands, due to stress, other lifestyle habits. If you get adrenal fatigue, I believe this can cause tiredness, even with stims, which may exacerbate the issue. Maybe ya'll should try going on a one + week vacation after weening yourself off of stims beforehand (if the doctor agrees) and de-stress yourself. Now, I say this because coffee makes me tired. Sure, other stims don't but I drink a lot of coffee. after awhile it just doesn't work and makes me really tired. If I lay off it a bit which is REALLY hard for me, then it seems to work again and actually seems to help me with focus, rather than sap and drain me. Sometimes water helps so don't discount dehydration or vitamin/mineral issue, including magnesium and b-vitamins. Sleep issues that could also be exacerbated by stims is also a consideration or perhaps, underlying sleep issues and/or allergy problems (including food allergies) are causing the issues you have. Just some thoughts on the matter. Has anyone with these issues had blood work done to check thyroid issues, low testosterone/growth hormone etc.?

Andorra
02-02-13, 11:23 PM
I have ADHD and Hep C. Ritalin is commonly prescribed to HCV clients for energy to get through the day. I have been on it for about 20 years. AI find that it works well in terms of energy and motivation but lagging as the day progresses.

Recently I was taking Desoxyn and found it terrific. Not only did the subtle blues go away but I once again found the mental and physical motivation to reopen my architecture projects, and go to workout at a gym three to four times a week. I have had no trouble sleeping. As the Desoxyn was given to me I now have to present the evidence to my doc for a prescription.

The cool thing about desoxyn has been the ability to concentrate and focus, without the jittery distraction of Ritalin. It calms ADHD'ers down through what has been called the "paradoxical effect." That is, it provides the neuro-chemical or transmitter that we all have too little of. Not having the right balance of serotonin and dopamine will cause us to be anxious ( one of our symptoms) and that leads to frustration and more anxiety which burns up our mental energy. When replaced by the meds we calm down allowing focus and concentration to return.

One issue for me has been that I hyper focus on Ritalin and have added Zoloft to the menu. Everyone remarks at how calm I have become. It stops the hyper focus and permits me take breaks without guilt and to shift tasks. As well my ability to listen to others and not monopolize the conversation with excessive talking (another ADHD trait) that turns people off.

The two have changed my life.

hoprope
02-24-13, 03:19 AM
Based on my experience, I can only say: Be very careful with this medication. It has a high habit-forming potential. It's easy to rationalize taking more than the prescribed amount to maintain "plateau". It is most effective for quitting smoking, but since it's methamphetamine, there is a social stigma attached to it. I suggest strict control of your dosage. It's easy to lose control which leads to disaster. If you find yourself running out before it's time to refill...it's not the medication for you. I live with my ADD now, rather than taking medication and I'm much happier.