View Full Version : ADHD community in WA gets the blame for the ice epidemic


tudorose
08-21-07, 11:00 AM
Would like some opinions about the idiocy of our politicians. Are ADHD people vilified in your country / state?

This in an article from "The West Australian Newspaper" at www.thewest.com.au

This is the mild form of the article. The printed version from August 20, 2007 on page 18 has the heading "ADHD PILLS BLAMED FOR ICE SCOURGE"

WA crackdown on over-prescription of ADHD drugs
19th August 2007, 11:45 WST


The Western Australian government aims to cut reliance on amphetamines in treating Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) under a multi-million-dollar program.

Studies show dexamphetamines account for a substantial amount of amphetamine use by young people in WA.

The state has the nation’s highest rate of amphetamine usage overall, and the highest rate of prescriptions of amphetamines for children diagnosed with ADHD.

WA Premier Alan Carpenter announced $9 million would be pumped into treatment of ADHD and the associated use of dexamphetamine.

“The teams will include professionals from a range of disciplines including psychiatrists, paediatricians, clinical psychologists, clinical nurses, speech pathologists, occupational therapists and social workers,” Mr Carpenter said.

“While medication may still be required for severe cases of ADHD, this new approach will ensure that stimulant medication is not the first line of treatment.”

The move is one of 49 recommendations adopted after a summit meeting held last month to tackle the illicit amphetamine scourge in WA.

Mr Carpenter said there was evidence to link the use of dexamphetamines during childhood to the broader use and abuse of amphetamines in adulthood.

“There is some evidence and a strongly held view amphetamines for the treatment of ADHD leads and encourages the use of amphetamines more broadly and clearly, obviously, the abuse,” Mr Carpenter said.

Drug and Alcohol Office executive director Terry Murphy said the use of medication for ADHD patients was not wrong, but reliance on amphetamines in ADHD treatment was too heavy.

“Medication is not wrong per se. There will be some people for whom that is the optimum treatment, but here in Western Australia with the highest (rate) in the country, we think there is too heavy a reliance on that,” Mr Murphy said.

Mr Murphy said 6.5 per cent of WA high school students reported using amphetamines and 55 per cent reported using diverted dexamphetamines.

“There’s a big overlap between those two figures,” Mr Murphy said.

A $16 million package has been earmarked to carry out recommendations to curb amphetamine use in WA, including tougher penalties for dealers who sell drugs around children or near licensed premises.

Under the changes, the sale of drugs to a child at or near a school or a public place where children are often present, will be considered an aggravated offence.

AAP

blink
08-21-07, 12:26 PM
Wow, talk about villify. What a load of crap!!! Someone has got to be the voice of reason and counteract that article. Let us know if the other side of the argument makes the light of day.

SB_UK
08-21-07, 12:43 PM
... there're so many problems with that article - that I wouldn't know where to start.

perhaps to pick one - then -
... ... we really need a model for mind within the public arena - otherwise idiocy such as the actions described in future WA policy - and its underlying logical basis will continue to flourish, to prevail.

And secondly:
"The move is one of 49 recommendations adopted after a summit meeting held last month to tackle the illicit amphetamine scourge in WA."

summit -> in WA.
summit -> in WA.
summit -> in WA.

why???

... we have a condition which affects people from many many countries of the world.
We have a couple of drugs which we all take.

And yet provinces feel the need to make parochially flawed policy.

Any issues which are seen in Western Australis - will be seen in all of our various countries.

For instance - I usefd to work with UWA (in Perth) - on a disease - which affected populations close to Perth (it's true) - but where results were generalizable across continents.

That's how disease, deviations from the norm, conditions, syndromes, disorders
(and so forth) work.

Taking this stance - suggests that the policy makers are aware of scientific research which suggests that it's good to adopt the policy which they've chosen.

However, if that's the case - why are they the first.

Seen to be doing something?
with
the 'right' thing as the last thing on their minds.

uhhh!!!

man!

model for mind -> makes this all go away.

Incidentally - my view - the irony - that it is ill-informed power hungry idiots who shape the environment, against which we react - in the predominantly contextual disorder of ADD.

Meaning ...

-> that those who seek to withhold medications (without logical argument) - are those who make major contribution to the increase in ADD in society - and hence to our usage of meds.

I'm fine without meds - absolutely fine -
*until*

I have to fill in some contrived poorly designed inadequate ineffectual
-> insert -> (here)
~any~ of the many dumb a55 things we are taught to aspire towards.

Inflexible policy makers - learn flexibility - improve society - and med usage will go down.
Increase bureaucracy - tighten the noose around ADDer necks - and watch as your kids and your friends' kids are suffocated by your need to retain control.

QueensU_girl
08-21-07, 01:38 PM
- And alcoholics who can't get booze will drink solvents such as Aqua Velva, shoe polish or Lysol.
- Kids will huff 'model glue' in a bag.
- In South America, street kids do this to stop their hunger pains.)
- Women will sniff propellant (nitrous oxide) from whipped cream containers.
- Poor Native kids in Northern Canada will sniff Gasoline.

People will always find a way to get high.



With controlling drugs so tightly, kids are now doing something that isn't controlled like drugs:

Kids are now playing The Choking Game
(auto-asphyxiation) [i]to get high now too.

Saw a TV show on it last week. It is on TV b/c they are dying from strangulation.

Why don't we ever move to the SECOND LEVEL OF QUESTIONING: why are people needing so badly to get 'high'?

QueensU_girl
08-21-07, 01:45 PM
But Governments don't want to look at this:

because the answers to "why do people need to control their painful reality?" often flings back to conditions created by that same Government.

:(

NB Your Provincial Minister in Australia must have talked to our Federal Health Minister in Canada, b/c we just came out with a similar "hard line on drugs" announcement this week too. LOL

Conservative politics are such BS.

SB_UK
08-21-07, 02:35 PM
why are people needing so badly to get 'high'?
... spend a few minutes and no $money$
whatsoever
thinking about the answer to this question.

-> score an answer which intuitively appeals.

And realise - what fools we've been.

At some point - we divested decisions into the hands of those who would take our decisions from us.

What followed was a systematic erosion of that uniquely human characteristic of
~free thought~
- we were weighed down under the detritus - of being made to think in a certain way.

but it didn't add up
(incidentally - contravening the one rule of mind -
-> that it *need* be a logically consistent structure)

We were thereby made into reactionaries - rebels against a
dumb-it-down society of
buttdumb downa55es

- reactionaries -
~ - ADD - ~
- rebels -


why are people needing so badly to get 'high'?
... and we know the answer to that question.

And djou not gonna' like it
mister may-horr
no sirree

bob.

go on - putjur shiny
'I am the mayor'
badge on
- one last time.

(mirror

over


there ->->-

meadd823
08-21-07, 09:17 PM
WA Premier Alan Carpenter needs to be told to educate himself of shut his pie hole. Ignorant people are almost as annoying as the gullible people who print their garbage.

How about some real information that is based upon clinical studies instead of ignorance.


Medications Reduce Incidence of Substance Abuse Among ADHD Patients (http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol14N4/ADHD.html)



Some children treated for ADHD with stimulant medications experience adverse effects, such as tics or loss of appetite. These children may be treated instead with tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs), a class of medications that includes imipramine, desipramine, and nortriptyline. Just as with mild stimulants, some clinicians are concerned that giving these mood-altering medications to children may get them in the habit of taking drugs to feel better and so they may be more at risk of using illicit drugs.

If ADHD treatment medications increase the risk of drug abuse, then using them might do more harm than good over the course of the child's lifetime. However, two new NIDA-supported studies suggest that treatment medications may be part of the solution to drug abuse in ADHD, rather than the problem.

One study found that children who were medicated for their ADHD were less likely to become substance abusers during 4 years of followup than were children with ADHD who were not medicated. The other study found that administering an ADHD medication to adult cocaine abusers with the disorder reduced their cocaine use.

***End Quote

If giving ADD medication decreases drug use in drug abusers who are ADD then it would stand to reason that the medications are not causing the addiction the untreated ADD is!

To further emphasis my point!


ADHD, DEPRESSED DOPAMINE, BRAIN (http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/532155/)

Libraries
Medical News

Description

Adults with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) show a blunted response to the drug methylphenidate (Ritalin), which increases brain dopamine levels, according to a report in the August issue of Archives of General Psychiatry, one of the JAMA/Archives journals. This suggests that dopamine dysfunction may be involved with ADHD symptoms and may contribute to substance abuse that often occurs simultaneously. . . . . . . .



In individuals with ADHD, methylphenidate caused less of a decrease in the amount of [11C]raclopride that bound to dopamine receptors in areas of the brain associated with attention than it did in those without ADHD. Since levels of methylphenidate in the blood were the same in both groups, this suggests that those with ADHD released less dopamine in response to the drug than controls. This blunted response was associated with symptoms of inattention. Exploratory analyses also found evidence of reduced [11C]raclopride binding in the hippocampus and amygdala in those with ADHD. These areas of the brain are part of the limbic system, involved in emotional responses as well as consolidating and retrieving memories.

“The findings of reduced dopamine release in subjects with ADHD are consistent with the notion that the ability of stimulant medications to enhance extracellular dopamine underlies their therapeutic effects in ADHD,” the authors write.

***End Quote

{geez I am the one who is supposed to have a disorder}

Hope this helps and perhaps forward some of the information onto the ignorant people who propagated this crap along with a little good old fashion common sense

The diversion problems is more than likely caused by

Doctors not properly trained in diagnosing ADD and are being allowed to treat people claiming to be ADD to obtain stimulant medications.

Poor over all drug control, Here in the US prescriptions are tracked by the DEA.

Longer acting forms of both Ritalin and Adderall are harder to "break down" therefore harder to abuse.

Oh btw ice is made out of crystal meth I have yet to hear it be made out of Ritalin or even Adderall. Otherwise they would just call it smoking Ritalin or some other slang term. Gravy even the drug abusers are NOT that stupid they can at least be counted on to keep their drug names straight.


OKay I got to go walk my dog now she is getting antsy

tudorose
08-23-07, 05:35 AM
Wow, talk about villify. What a load of crap!!! Someone has got to be the voice of reason and counteract that article. Let us know if the other side of the argument makes the light of day.

Typically the other side of the argument hasn't been given much of a voice at all. One letter to the editor from LADS (learning and attentional disorders society) was printed but nothing since.

In the scope of things for the public it is not a priority. The thing is that this particular government has let the state run down so badly that nothing is working any more. The health system is stuffed, we practically have no police or teachers left coz of the conditions of employment and they keep letting violent criminals back out on the street to offend again. Every week we see pictures in the paper of a child or an elderly person in hospital from being bashed in an unprovoked attack.

3 years ago this same government ordered that we were not allowed to use airconditioning on a 40 degree celcius day and that businesses were not allowed to use their fridges coz basically the couldn't manage the power supply. So many small businesses suffered that day and insurance didn't cover it.

After voting no in a referendum 3 times they introduced daylight savings without our consent and we have to live with a 3 year trial before being allowed to vote and reject it again. We just had a referendum about extended trading hours to which everyone vote no but that hasn't stopped them forcing it on some businesses in the central districts. Basically as a resident of WA we are all treated with contempt - just the ADHD community is one notch below that in social standing.

meadd823
08-23-07, 07:23 AM
If no one speaks out then nothing will be said. . .discussing politics is against the guidelines so all I can say is in order for things to change then the people will have to do some thing differently

tudorose
08-24-07, 05:24 AM
If no one speaks out then nothing will be said. . .discussing politics is against the guidelines so all I can say is in order for things to change then the people will have to do some thing differently

Point taken. I wouldn't normally bother discussing politics. I just get frustrated that ADHD treatment continues to be a political issue in the particular region that I live.

spunkysmum
09-08-07, 10:38 PM
But Governments don't want to look at this:

because the answers to "why do people need to control their painful reality?" often flings back to conditions created by that same Government.

:(

NB Your Provincial Minister in Australia must have talked to our Federal Health Minister in Canada, b/c we just came out with a similar "hard line on drugs" announcement this week too. LOL

Conservative politics are such BS.

Why does ADHD seem so prevalent in Australia?

Is it because, like America, it was formed by restless immigrants and various societal "misfits" who yearned for a new and exciting life, and those ancestors passed their ADHD traits down through the generations?

No politics here, huh? Guess I forgot about that rule. Probably not a bad thing but hard to abide by if you're a political junkie.

spunkysmum
09-08-07, 10:41 PM
Typically the other side of the argument hasn't been given much of a voice at all. One letter to the editor from LADS (learning and attentional disorders society) was printed but nothing since.

In the scope of things for the public it is not a priority. The thing is that this particular government has let the state run down so badly that nothing is working any more. The health system is stuffed, we practically have no police or teachers left coz of the conditions of employment and they keep letting violent criminals back out on the street to offend again. Every week we see pictures in the paper of a child or an elderly person in hospital from being bashed in an unprovoked attack.

3 years ago this same government ordered that we were not allowed to use airconditioning on a 40 degree celcius day and that businesses were not allowed to use their fridges coz basically the couldn't manage the power supply. So many small businesses suffered that day and insurance didn't cover it.

After voting no in a referendum 3 times they introduced daylight savings without our consent and we have to live with a 3 year trial before being allowed to vote and reject it again. We just had a referendum about extended trading hours to which everyone vote no but that hasn't stopped them forcing it on some businesses in the central districts. Basically as a resident of WA we are all treated with contempt - just the ADHD community is one notch below that in social standing.
Wow. Depressing picture you're painting here. :mad: Big government run amok.