My son has ADHD and pretty much does normal social activities kids his age do. He plays football (it's that hot season now..urgh), basketball and baseball. He is in a choir and sings solos. However, my son has been having issues with those darn bullies. A few boys have been teasing him because he is in special education classes. My son told me they threw pens and things at him, one punched him and another kept telling him he was retarded and that they are going to jump him after school (haha not on my watch) ectertra......

Now, I am one to really keep my calm until it comes to messing with my son. I'm trying my best to sit prim and proper but I am about to go back to my hey day and raise all hell. I'll get ole school and handle it in a way where his cousins just happen to come get him from school and ummm, ya know.

Now, I am grown and I have to act as an adult. My son told the teacher and what did the teacher do, nada. School started here on Monday and this is already happening. In one class, the teacher said something to the effect that "Manny (my son) was a trouble maker but that's going to be different huh Manny?" This is in front of the class mind you.

My son has come a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg way, trust me. He is actually a sweet kid. He has a problem sitting in his chair and focusing but he doesn't mess with anyone. He used to cry and disturb the whole class by having tantrums in 2nd grade (he is now in 6th, middle school). He is no longer on meds because of all that I've tried, they made him sick. Frankly, I think he's growing out of it. Anyway, I rambled to ask this simple question:

How do you deal with this type of bullying?
How do you encourage your child(ren) to handle it?
How do you handle it?

P.S. Sorry so long

Have you contacted the school?

Now, I am grown and I have to act as an adult. My son told the teacher and what did the teacher do, nada. School started here on Monday and this is already happening. In one class, the teacher said something to the effect that "Manny (my son) was a trouble maker but that's going to be different huh Manny?" This is in front of the class mind you.Were you present?

He used to cry and disturb the whole class by having tantrums in 2nd grade (he is now in 6th, middle school). He is no longer on meds because of all that I've tried, they made him sick. Frankly, I think he's growing out of it.Kids with ADHD wear their hearts on their sleeve and crying easily is very common. The right medication can really help with this reactivity.

Grow out of "it"? If you mean ADHD, we don't really grow out of it.

Re; the bullying:
Make an appointment to speak with the principal / head of your son's school. There are courses or programs that teach bully proofing to children. There are two major components to bullying, the bully and the victim. Kids can learn not to be either, but they someitmes need help to do it. Your principal can get a school counsellor to run a group session with your son and the other kids who are picking on him.

If you are not satisfied with your meeting with the principal, phone your district office and speak to someone there. Go up the chain of command until you feel satisfied that you have been heard and offered some help. Good luck.

it is so hard isnt it to see what is happening before your eyes and know at times you are powerless to help them... i really think kids in school should be better educated in what special needs kids actually feel and go thru for a start as alot of this bullying crap comes from ignorance and i dont mean just from kids as alot of teachers and helpers still dont get ADHD and im positive in my thoughts that there is alot of people out there that still dont think it even excists and that they are just naughty kids or have come from a home of bad parenting, which is so wrong.
I agree with you that your child is very sweet as mine is too, thru all his problems out of all my 3 kids he is the most loving and effectionate.I dont agree that teacher should have said those comments about him in front of his class as that is just horrible and in fact verbal abuse and down right degrading for your son and that in my eyes needs to be brought up with the head master of the school.
Regarding the meds, maybe that could be looked into again, and maybe a lower dose could be started , there are lots of different tablets out there and maybe just maybe all the ones he took previously wernt right for him or started at a higher dose than he needed.
As regards to how you cope , well stay close to here and chat, ive found this site really helpful, people around me here locally dont understand ADHD atall which is very frustrating. so its good to chat here to vent your worries with people that are going thru the same as you, my child gets picked on daily and it breaks my heart, all i can do is push my views on the head teacher that i will not tolerate bullying to my child and keep on his back all the time, it has helped abit as they have to stay away from jake else they get detention if caught near him,, and i just make sure i talk alot to jake about how his day has been and try to help him with how to ignore these bullies but its hard as part of his ADHD means he has no sense of fear so when older kids say things he lashes out with no consiquence of what they may do back which is hard. it helps he has an older brother in some ways but not always as its made his older brother life hell at times as he always steps in at school to try and help which gets him in strife also and hes only 1 yr older so hes not much help bless his heart! all my kids go back to school next week and im dreading it to be honest as i know the peace and safeness of the past 6 weeks will go and we will be back to constant upset after school, sorry for ranting on abit but i know deeply how you are feeling and althou i cannot help much i know exactly how sad you feel and how desperate you must feel at times, i know personally id like to shake a few kids at oour school by the ears and just get them to realise how hard it is to live with special needs and that they dont feel and see the world like they do, but i suppose all kids at that age dont really understand either, but anyway enough of me going on, i really hope it all gets sorted out for you, just be there for your son every day like you are and let him know you love him and that you understand him and believe in him.xx

Have you contacted the school?I have contacted the principal by phone but no return call yet. I'll be there on Monday for sure. I was afraid to actually see these kids for their own good. I kid I kid.

Were you present?

Kids with ADHD wear their hearts on their sleeve and crying easily is very common. The right medication can really help with this reactivity.

Grow out of "it"? If you mean ADHD, we don't really grow out of it.

Re; the bullying:
Make an appointment to speak with the principal / head of your son's school. There are courses or programs that teach bully proofing to children. There are two major components to bullying, the bully and the victim. Kids can learn not to be either, but they someitmes need help to do it. Your principal can get a school counsellor to run a group session with your son and the other kids who are picking on him.

If you are not satisfied with your meeting with the principal, phone your district office and speak to someone there. Go up the chain of command until you feel satisfied that you have been heard and offered some help. Good luck.

I'm definitely going to see the principal. My son DOES NOT want me to because he feels like they'll call him a tattle tale and make it worse. However, I don't like no one putting their hands on my son. If it were just the name calling, I think we could deal with that. I will continue to go up the chain of command if nothing is rectified on Monday. He is not going to go through this this year. He has to focus on the difficult task of being in middle school and learning, not dealing with jerks.

it is so hard isnt it to see what is happening before your eyes and know at times you are powerless to help them... i really think kids in school should be better educated in what special needs kids actually feel and go thru for a start as alot of this bullying crap comes from ignorance and i dont mean just from kids as alot of teachers and helpers still dont get ADHD and im positive in my thoughts that there is alot of people out there that still dont think it even excists and that they are just naughty kids or have come from a home of bad parenting, which is so wrong.
I agree with you that your child is very sweet as mine is too, thru all his problems out of all my 3 kids he is the most loving and effectionate.I dont agree that teacher should have said those comments about him in front of his class as that is just horrible and in fact verbal abuse and down right degrading for your son and that in my eyes needs to be brought up with the head master of the school.
Regarding the meds, maybe that could be looked into again, and maybe a lower dose could be started , there are lots of different tablets out there and maybe just maybe all the ones he took previously wernt right for him or started at a higher dose than he needed.
As regards to how you cope , well stay close to here and chat, ive found this site really helpful, people around me here locally dont understand ADHD atall which is very frustrating. so its good to chat here to vent your worries with people that are going thru the same as you, my child gets picked on daily and it breaks my heart, all i can do is push my views on the head teacher that i will not tolerate bullying to my child and keep on his back all the time, it has helped abit as they have to stay away from jake else they get detention if caught near him,, and i just make sure i talk alot to jake about how his day has been and try to help him with how to ignore these bullies but its hard as part of his ADHD means he has no sense of fear so when older kids say things he lashes out with no consiquence of what they may do back which is hard. it helps he has an older brother in some ways but not always as its made his older brother life hell at times as he always steps in at school to try and help which gets him in strife also and hes only 1 yr older so hes not much help bless his heart! all my kids go back to school next week and im dreading it to be honest as i know the peace and safeness of the past 6 weeks will go and we will be back to constant upset after school, sorry for ranting on abit but i know deeply how you are feeling and althou i cannot help much i know exactly how sad you feel and how desperate you must feel at times, i know personally id like to shake a few kids at oour school by the ears and just get them to realise how hard it is to live with special needs and that they dont feel and see the world like they do, but i suppose all kids at that age dont really understand either, but anyway enough of me going on, i really hope it all gets sorted out for you, just be there for your son every day like you are and let him know you love him and that you understand him and believe in him.xxThanks loopy. I have a lot to say but I am leaving. I really appreciate this comment and I want to respond to it. I am going home from work and I will respond when I can.:)

MansMom, hey I recently was diagnosed with aspergers syndrome with aDD/ADHD (they pretty much go together), and can tell you that what you told us is nothing new. I"m 27 years old now and pretty much was in special ed classes all thoughout school. Looking back it was a waste of my time, reason why I say this, is that aspergers syndrome has only been around and noticed for about 10 years. which by the time was to late for me there was no real support except IEP which pretty much helped me get support from the government.

I was bullied from elementary school to Jr High school, which the schools did nothing except bring the problems to conflict resolution meetings (which I 100% ask you not to have your child participate in) reason I say this is no one except us and the medical field understand what we are dealing with and your child will end up even going though complete hell dealing with it.

Looking back I can tell you that you may want to checkout the aspergers syndrome forum on symptoms cause aspergers has very high functional disorder which most of the time you can live a good life and even out perform the bullies.

Does your son have anything hes interested in? such as computers/creative stuff and does he tend to spend alot of time doing an activity and no realizing what is around him? reason I say this is that Some of the most famous people such as Einstein, and Nobel Prize Winners were known to be in the Autism spectrum and they found there interest and actually was successful at it.

Anyways if hes still being bullied as i post this, or have major periods where he doesnt know what to do (kind of like being bored) or just not interested in stuff, I would take your child out of school if it's available, and have him focus on something creative such as the computer, or something that hes interested in Martial Arts? and let him explore it independently. This may relax the nervous system and he will be able to focus again.

When i was in High School, I pretty much stopped getting bullied, however by this time I pretty much knew everything and was a honor roll student and over performining, except Math (my weakness) Which pretty much just ended up getting me to the point of not caring anymore about anything, and believe me if you can talk to a nerologist, set up I.E.P at your childs school. Reason why I say this, is cause it was the only way I got diagnosed and got on disability. There is no Cure or treatment for this except the shielding of anxiety, and working independently and staying busy on hobbies on what I enjoy (Even though people didnt want me to do it) it is what got me though school and live a decent life and a job for about 3 years till I was age 24 or so then I went into overload mode.

I did do small business,(Internet business) for a good 12 years from jr high till about 3 years ago, which was my independent job which I did quite well financially. But All I can say now is that if you do not shield your child from anxiety and other students (such as letting him stay home from school once every couple weeks) or so it may help. It may be longer breaks. However I do suggest you get him a computer with games, and or have him watch videos on youtube (exploring his strengths is the most important) and it's in a independent mode, and or music cds (with a headset) while on the computer is a good idea, to release his anxiety from his nervous system. (everyone is different) and has different enjoyments.


How do you deal with this type of bullying?
well looking back I never dealt with it, and believe me it will not get better in the educational system unless you either find him a new school and or take him out of school completely. The worst for me was in my 20's when I ended up working in the grocery industry with alot of people that triggered my anxiety..
How do you encourage your child(ren) to handle it?
no answer: reason is I never handled it when I was in school and it's cause no one knew what this was back then and dont have children :0))
How do you handle it?
as someone whos been diagnosed with it, I believe parents, teachers, friends need to listen to those people who have been been struggling with it all there life, for me it has been 20 years in order to combat this problem. Ask your kids if you dont know what there interested in and or what they want to be when they grow up!! and get your kid involved in those kind of classes and or try to get them involved independently in private classes with a small class size!! Best thing you can do is purchase something that there interested in for your home, and let them independently at home work on it!

Anyway I'm not a professional, however I am a Aspie and one who has had to deal with this for 20+ years and my goal is share my story and my opinions with this community and parents,teachers who want to help our kids!!!

Call the Police?

Hitting someone is a crime: it's called ASSAULT.

re: Teacher (person with power/authority figure) correcting your child in front of the class/peers

This is inexcusable too, and seems designed to humiliate a kid, doesn't it. Shame makes bullying and violence worse.

(It seems Especially harmful and shaming b/c the other kids see an Authority Figure doing it (Teacher) which makes them think it is "OK to pick on THAT kid now.")


Management Rule:
-Praise in Public.
-Correct in Private.

I'm definitely going to see the principal. My son DOES NOT want me to because he feels like they'll call him a tattle tale and make it worse. However, I don't like no one putting their hands on my son. If it were just the name calling, I think we could deal with that. I will continue to go up the chain of command if nothing is rectified on Monday. He is not going to go through this this year. He has to focus on the difficult task of being in middle school and learning, not dealing with jerks.Yes, kids believe this (so do some parents) and the bullies want them to believe this. It is not true. I can only repeat statistics from an expert in B.C., but his research showed that in B.C. very few bullies or their friends retaliated against their victims after the victims went to their parents or the authorities. That's why we teach kids to tell and if that person doesn't listen, tell someone else.

Some bullies are very good at not being caught in the act so teachers aren't always able to notice the abuse. You would be surprised at some the seemingly nice kids at school from good homes who enjoy provoking kids that are different.

Unfortunately, some parents and teachers may not have a clear definition of the difference between tattling and reporting. I have also preferred that a child feel comfortable in telling me anything rather than having to make a judgement call on what he should or should not tell me. I can honestly say I have never accused a child of "tattling" and it bothers me when I hear that word. Child abusers rely on their victims not "tattling" or telling. :mad:

MansMom, hey I recently was diagnosed with aspergers syndrome with aDD/ADHD (they pretty much go together), and can tell you that what you told us is nothing new. I"m 27 years old now and pretty much was in special ed classes all thoughout school. Looking back it was a waste of my time, reason why I say this, is that aspergers syndrome has only been around and noticed for about 10 years. which by the time was to late for me there was no real support except IEP which pretty much helped me get support from the government.

I was bullied from elementary school to Jr High school, which the schools did nothing except bring the problems to conflict resolution meetings (which I 100% ask you not to have your child participate in) reason I say this is no one except us and the medical field understand what we are dealing with and your child will end up even going though complete hell dealing with it.

Looking back I can tell you that you may want to checkout the aspergers syndrome forum on symptoms cause aspergers has very high functional disorder which most of the time you can live a good life and even out perform the bullies.

Does your son have anything hes interested in? such as computers/creative stuff and does he tend to spend alot of time doing an activity and no realizing what is around him? reason I say this is that Some of the most famous people such as Einstein, and Nobel Prize Winners were known to be in the Autism spectrum and they found there interest and actually was successful at it.

Anyways if hes still being bullied as i post this, or have major periods where he doesnt know what to do (kind of like being bored) or just not interested in stuff, I would take your child out of school if it's available, and have him focus on something creative such as the computer, or something that hes interested in Martial Arts? and let him explore it independently. This may relax the nervous system and he will be able to focus again.

When i was in High School, I pretty much stopped getting bullied, however by this time I pretty much knew everything and was a honor roll student and over performining, except Math (my weakness) Which pretty much just ended up getting me to the point of not caring anymore about anything, and believe me if you can talk to a nerologist, set up I.E.P at your childs school. Reason why I say this, is cause it was the only way I got diagnosed and got on disability. There is no Cure or treatment for this except the shielding of anxiety, and working independently and staying busy on hobbies on what I enjoy (Even though people didnt want me to do it) it is what got me though school and live a decent life and a job for about 3 years till I was age 24 or so then I went into overload mode.

I did do small business,(Internet business) for a good 12 years from jr high till about 3 years ago, which was my independent job which I did quite well financially. But All I can say now is that if you do not shield your child from anxiety and other students (such as letting him stay home from school once every couple weeks) or so it may help. It may be longer breaks. However I do suggest you get him a computer with games, and or have him watch videos on youtube (exploring his strengths is the most important) and it's in a independent mode, and or music cds (with a headset) while on the computer is a good idea, to release his anxiety from his nervous system. (everyone is different) and has different enjoyments.


How do you deal with this type of bullying?
well looking back I never dealt with it, and believe me it will not get better in the educational system unless you either find him a new school and or take him out of school completely. The worst for me was in my 20's when I ended up working in the grocery industry with alot of people that triggered my anxiety..
How do you encourage your child(ren) to handle it?
no answer: reason is I never handled it when I was in school and it's cause no one knew what this was back then and dont have children :0))
How do you handle it?
as someone whos been diagnosed with it, I believe parents, teachers, friends need to listen to those people who have been been struggling with it all there life, for me it has been 20 years in order to combat this problem. Ask your kids if you dont know what there interested in and or what they want to be when they grow up!! and get your kid involved in those kind of classes and or try to get them involved independently in private classes with a small class size!! Best thing you can do is purchase something that there interested in for your home, and let them independently at home work on it!

Anyway I'm not a professional, however I am a Aspie and one who has had to deal with this for 20+ years and my goal is share my story and my opinions with this community and parents,teachers who want to help our kids!!!
He is very good with computers. He does get on there and is not aware of anything around him. He types 65+ words a minute. He has learned some HTML programming and works with Adobe Photoshop creating images. He does alot of computing. He has taught himself to type and Adobe because it was loaded on the computer and he started created images for some game. I do encourage him to create cause this is what he loves. I've never really looked into Aspergers and I am going to immediately. I thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'm headed that way now.

it is so hard isnt it to see what is happening before your eyes and know at times you are powerless to help them... i really think kids in school should be better educated in what special needs kids actually feel and go thru for a start as alot of this bullying crap comes from ignorance and i dont mean just from kids as alot of teachers and helpers still dont get ADHD and im positive in my thoughts that there is alot of people out there that still dont think it even excists and that they are just naughty kids or have come from a home of bad parenting, which is so wrong.
I agree with you that your child is very sweet as mine is too, thru all his problems out of all my 3 kids he is the most loving and effectionate.I dont agree that teacher should have said those comments about him in front of his class as that is just horrible and in fact verbal abuse and down right degrading for your son and that in my eyes needs to be brought up with the head master of the school.
Regarding the meds, maybe that could be looked into again, and maybe a lower dose could be started , there are lots of different tablets out there and maybe just maybe all the ones he took previously wernt right for him or started at a higher dose than he needed.
As regards to how you cope , well stay close to here and chat, ive found this site really helpful, people around me here locally dont understand ADHD atall which is very frustrating. so its good to chat here to vent your worries with people that are going thru the same as you, my child gets picked on daily and it breaks my heart, all i can do is push my views on the head teacher that i will not tolerate bullying to my child and keep on his back all the time, it has helped abit as they have to stay away from jake else they get detention if caught near him,, and i just make sure i talk alot to jake about how his day has been and try to help him with how to ignore these bullies but its hard as part of his ADHD means he has no sense of fear so when older kids say things he lashes out with no consiquence of what they may do back which is hard. it helps he has an older brother in some ways but not always as its made his older brother life hell at times as he always steps in at school to try and help which gets him in strife also and hes only 1 yr older so hes not much help bless his heart! all my kids go back to school next week and im dreading it to be honest as i know the peace and safeness of the past 6 weeks will go and we will be back to constant upset after school, sorry for ranting on abit but i know deeply how you are feeling and althou i cannot help much i know exactly how sad you feel and how desperate you must feel at times, i know personally id like to shake a few kids at oour school by the ears and just get them to realise how hard it is to live with special needs and that they dont feel and see the world like they do, but i suppose all kids at that age dont really understand either, but anyway enough of me going on, i really hope it all gets sorted out for you, just be there for your son every day like you are and let him know you love him and that you understand him and believe in him.xx
I really enjoy having my children home from school. If I could home school I would because the stress of going back to school is just upsetting for us all. Although this is happening, he says he loves middle school. I want it to remain that way and that is why I am going to find a solution immediately. THose kids don't want me up at that school and if i have to miss work because of it, I'm going to be extra ****ed off. I did speak to one of the kids parents and she seemed upset. I think some of these parents hate to find out there child is a mean child. That must be just as hurtful for some.


And I fear my son will retaliate and has in the past and he was always the one to get into trouble. He doesn't want to be a tattletale but I told him the first thing they do is run and tell on you so what's the point. We'll figure this out. Thanks to all of you for listening and offering support. Just having an ear is nice.

I totally agree with you Imnapl!! I have been there, actually, I am still. I have switched schools and now high school ugh! But the change in schools for grade 7 was great. My son was diagnosed in 6th grade, had a great teacher but had to deal with the same kids. We changed schools, new kids, and yes, new bullies, but a great principle and teachers that didn't know me or my son. I caused "problems" at the previous school and parents, as well as kids, get labelled. You fight for your child and stand up for yourself, everyone calls you a bad parent. I didn't teach consequences to actions, as his 1st grade teacher said!! This was before he was diagnosed, and he was disciplined so much I still feel guilt. But they knew nothing. Don't let the bullies win. Show your kids that you will not stand for it. But also know when to get out and move on. You will not change their opinions, and your kids will pay the price. I am sure I will be in here soon venting about bullies at the high school level. He starts on Tuesday!!!

Don't let the bullies win. Show your kids that you will not stand for it. But also know when to get out and move on. You will not change their opinions, and your kids will pay the price. I am sure I will be in here soon venting about bullies at the high school level. He starts on Tuesday!!!Last year I had the good fortune to listen to a very dynamic speaker in a gym full of middle school students and adults. A very powerful moment was when the speaker asked the kids to close their eyes and then asked all of the adults in the room to raise their hands if they could remember the name of someone who had said something that hurt them in school. The kids opened their eyes to see every adult in the room with their hand up. He reminded us that we don't remember lots of things from childhood, but we remember who hurt us.

Bullying has even got worse now that kids are active on MSN - especially for girls. Reputations can be destroyed with one email making the rounds. Schools that should be focussing on academics have to waste precious time and resources because kids post secret video taken of schoolmates on youtube or spread rumours on MSN. To all parents that think schools are being too harsh banning cell phones and cameras inside school, think again because it could be your kid next being humiliated in public on the internet.

MansMom: wow it looks like he probably has aspergers too and very similar to me, I have learned, HTML,PHP,Javascripts,RSS, even toolbar creation which you can checkout in the software resources section here at the forum. which has alot of links. Anyway I totally suggest that if he knows html. I suggest that start him on affiliate marketing so he can make money without having to worry about other people interfering around his space. since hes into computers and web design., I have made quite a bit of money from it, but since he knows how to do that stuff already I suggest that you checkout http://abestweb.com/ which is a affiliate marketing forum which most of the resources are backed up by fortune 50 companies and chambers of commerce.
Just so you know best thing to is get him doing it now or soon, cause if he does it before high school, he could make a good amount of money. the revenue he can earn is based on selling and commission rates, example he puts a website with 10 movies on his site at about $20 each he would make anywhere from 5%-20% commission on each movie.

Also if he has the symptoms of aspergers especially Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

*encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
*apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals which since he loves the computer and is on it all the time. this probably would be perfect for him, just so you know if he makes money from it, it will be considered self employment on taxes at the end of the year.

But also he can do what he loves, just so you know the cost of doing something like this is free, except of course buying a domain which is very unexpensive and webspace. which you can find at godaddy.com, and https://www.siteground.com (<-- this is what I use right now) I dont really do it for profit at the moment but I'm planning to get back into affiliate marketing) I"m actually also a member of http://abestweb.com/ too. you can find my website in the websites section on this forum too. Anyway just remember that he most likely will learn it very fast and just so you know it can take up to 6 months to get his websites in the search engines, anyway if you have any other questions about it feel free to contact me on the forum. but I'm sure your son is gonna do very well :0) if he does have aspergers.

How do you deal with this type of bullying?
How do you encourage your child(ren) to handle it?
How do you handle it?




I would explain to my kids how the world works in this way: First, it is a statistical fact that HALF of the population is just plain stupid. The average IQ is 100. That means that HALF of the population has an IQ LESS than 100.

Historically, the less intelligent humans have learned to survive by beating down and belittling, (if not outright killing) the more intelligent humans. So, odds are that any kid in your school who is making fun of you is doing so because their parents have taught them this behavior because their parents are in the LOWER half of the population when it comes to intelligence. It's not their fault. They just aren't smart enough to teach their kids any other way to be. Unfortunately, stupidity also appears to be genetic.

This means that the kids picking on you probably also have an IQ lower than 100 an therefore will only be able to succeed in life by beating you down and gathering with a group of other morons who will back up whatever they do because they too are not intelligent enough to resolve issues any other way.

Once you face the reality of this it becomes easier to accept and ignore these people. They aren't bad people--they can't help it--they aren't smart enough to do anything else. It's considered MOB intellect. Since we're in a society where majority rules...you will always run into groups of morons that try to get ahead by trying to make anyone smarter look like they are stupid.

It's only because we ARE smarter that we have allowed them to continue to procreate...for now. :rolleyes: