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BoredADD
09-20-07, 05:30 PM
Why is there so little emphasis on boredom when discussing ADD?

I am 45 year-old male Inattentive ADDer, initially self-diagnosed just confirmed by one of the few UK ADD Specialist Psychiatrists two weeks ago. I have been on Ritalin for a week. I am writing this post to see whether other ADDers have shared a similar experience of ADD that I have, where boredom, viewing past and future events and motivation have been the core difficulties faced rather than Impulsivity, Inattention and Restlessness.

I have been aware of and studying “my differences” for pretty much my whole life and since suffering depression three years ago I have been on a quest to work out what is up with me. I have studied psychology (half-way through degree), read extensively and have started to move into positive psychology coaching. I knew that my problem seemed to be to do with Dopamine as I have shaky hands, chronic boredom, clumsy, poor memory and low energy. Something also seemed wrong with my frontal lobes as I cannot “imagine” future events and my executive control seems poor. I have used alcohol and/or dope my whole adult life, not to get high but to give my body what it seems to be “missing” and to help me focus (and not get bored).

I was aware of ADHD but did not consider the possibility of ADD for myself, as in the UK we never hear of Adult Inattentive ADD, only about child “hypers”. As I am neither hyper-active nor inattentive it looked like ADD didn’t fit. It was finally found “Sluggish Cognitive Tempo” on Wikipedia and after many web links I finally realised my problem is ADD. What an emotional revelation

As I have been studying myself so long, I found some of the ADD standard diagnostic definitions odd to say the least, I am definitely not hyper (though some minor signs in childhood) or impulsive, my diagnosis was Inattentive but I am not inattentive, spacey, day-dreamy, confused or in a fog just hypo-active. The symptoms I have observed in myself are:

Boredom
Probably the most influential, painful and defining element of my “disorder”. I get bored a significant part of the time and it really hurts. I hate being bored. I will go to great lengths to avoid being bored. When interested however, I am more than capable of paying attention, frequently I am the most tuned-in whether in class, in conversation, reading or writing. I am never involuntarily inattentive, despite the DSM definition of my disorder being “Inattentive” ADD. I find this definition insulting and stupid, if I WANT to pay attention I do. So how does this boredom affect my life?


I minimise/avoid boring tasks. I empty my dish-washer in around 1 minute my cupboards are all planned optimally. I get an accountant to do my tax return. I cannot figure out how to avoid brushing my teeth which is torture.
I seek extra information to avoid boredom. I will read cornflake packets, read books even while walking, listen to talk radio in the car, always have the TV on, play computer games and will even read the back of a shampoo bottle whilst on the toilet! I do not have personal resources to keep off boredom, probably because the past and future are so closed to me.
Work gets boring so I have changed jobs on average every 1-2 years, since 23 I have had 17 different IT jobs at 9 different employers. I have been a programmer, analyst, systems programmer, marketing specialist, hardware sales rep, software sales rep, manager, Managing Director, Owner/MD start-up. Now fundamentally bored with IT, I am becoming a coach/positive psychologist.
At work, as in life generally, I usually know what needs doing but will seek more interesting tasks to do, usually to the detriment of myself and the company.
I seek variety. I like to do new things, go new places on holiday, try new foods and have deep conversations but hate chit-chat.
Poor Temporal sense
Bad memory. It seems that working/short-term memory is clearly affected by ADD, so like others I forget keys, names and tasks. However my long-term memory is affected too. It seems that if I am not that interested in something then I will not store it in memory, this seems more a problem with storage than recall. Strangely this implies I am not very interested in my own life as I remember very little of what I have done, my friends and family remember far more than I do, even when reminded I still sometime do not remember personal events. What I tend to remember well is concepts and fundamental ideas, often failing to remember the supporting factual evidence. So I might say “car accidents” are the single biggest cause of death for young men in the UK, but forget how many are killed each year. I do well in exams conceptually but forget dates, quotes and references. Little future imagining or forecasting. I cannot see my future at all. I cannot make an image of a future event. If I try to set a goal for the future it is hazy and unbelievable. I simply do not understand how to do this, despite having taught others to set goals. I rarely ever think about my future as it seems unreal. Beneficially I do not suffer much from anxiety as I do not worry about future events. In fact I am very much “in the moment”, I seldom day-dream and am not distracted by my own thoughts as there is nowhere for my thoughts to go (i.e. the past or future), other than on conceptual matters. So when bored I take in external information such as TV and books. Having little view of the future has a pretty bad effect on my planning and motivation. I have never managed to keep a diary or scheduler.


Low Energy/Motivation
I have little energy. Well that’s not entirely true. I can be energetic, I talk quickly and I cycle, walk and drive fast. But my default position is to lie/sit down. Starting a new activity that I like is often hard or even impossible, as if I have “100 steps to climb” every time I start something new. Starting an activity I don’t like or is boring means I have 1,000 steps to climb and frequently I do not bother until it urgently demands my attention. If I am with someone else who is motivated then I can share their motivation and energy for a while. Low energy means I study for exams and write essays only the night before, I send in tax returns after the fines appear, I only handle urgent administration. My friends/colleagues often believe more in me than I do. They see I have the aptitude, intelligence, personality and ability for a task but they don’t see how I will struggle to start the task, struggle with energy to stay with the task and avoid getting bored in the long term.

I would appreciate any thoughts as to whether these are common issues and in particular whether it is more an “Inattentive” issue not to see the future or whether “hypers” have this issue too.

SB_UK
09-20-07, 06:45 PM
welcome to ADD !

&

ADDF

-*-


I cannot figure out how to avoid brushing my teeth which is torture.
Sonic tooth brushes ~eg~ Sonicare
No brushing action required (either manually or powered)
Think that newer models pause momentarily
- to remind one when to switch
-> top to bottom
-> front to back
(the four compartments)

Timer cuts the power when you've brushed sufficiently.

Since there's no brushing action - don't need to worry about missing bits - or brushing one's gum back to the bone.

ouch !

They come with stickers - which one can use to remind oneself (stick it on the brush) - when to change heads (not yours) (6-9 months per head - I think).

I've had mine for years.

It's blimmin' great.

SB_UK
09-20-07, 06:49 PM
Was that an Infommercial?

good grief !!!

RedHCPeppers
'Around the World'

ding dang ding dong ding dang ding dong
ding
dang


You know it makes sense.


:confused:
:-)

BoredADD
09-20-07, 07:05 PM
Thanks SB, unfortunatly I have used a Braun Electric for years and despite the lessened need to brush, I am still bored as ever looking at myself in the mirror for 2 minutes, well usually 1 minute as 2 minutes would be too painful!

Regards

Andrew

SB_UK
09-20-07, 07:13 PM
looking at myself in the mirror

:-)

... ... can't remember the last time I looked in a mirror.

hmmm...

The ADD mantra is do whatever it takes to 'background' the boring -
that way -

Ahhh!!!

... ... freedom from the Mundane

'We don't like Mundanes'

SandiRella
09-20-07, 08:30 PM
Yes, Bored, I have similar ways of being. I remember in high school I could never imagine what might be next, going to college, getting married, having children, etc. Others were making plans but I was "going with the flow". That said I did manage to graduate from college somehow. And there is the whole school of thought of "being in the now", which can be a good thing. I'm inattentive, I do daydream, and I also read the backs of cereal boxes, shampoo, and the like, ha! I cannot do chitchat, and since that's often a woman thing, other women may think I'm snobby or disinterested. I'm not snobby, but I am often disinterested. When I daydream, it's because I'm bored with whatever's in front of me, so I go off to another world.

"Studying" one's self is something lately I wish I had never done---I don't know if it's made me wiser or better in any way or if ignorance would have been bliss. Positive psychology is an up and coming field I hear and that's great that you're studying it. I could use a heaping of that myself these days!

I can also identify with lack of motivation, and how every task can seem monumental. I'm currently out of a job and have been for two months. Starting over yet again feels like trying to scale Everest. And folks also see me as intelligent and capable and can't understand my lack of conventional achievement. Oh, I can tell them exactly the reasons, but most don't want to hear but would rather just shake their heads and say, "you can do it." Anyway, I digress.

Welcome to the board and good luck with everything. Based on what you've said ritalin sounds like it will have a positive effect. Just don't give up if you don't get the exact results you want right away----I should talk, ha!

BoredADD
09-26-07, 05:07 PM
Sandi,

Thanks for your post and kind thoughts. It's nice to know that others have the same issues. Unfortunately the Ritalin has made next to no difference and my psychiatrist has interpretted my request for Adderall/Dexadrine as the desparate pleas of a drug fiend.

Am struggling right now. In the UK is seems medecine remains in denial about adult ADD and even our specialists are prejudiced and ignorant.

Andrew

HooahMSII
10-05-07, 12:43 AM
Sandi,

Thanks for your post and kind thoughts. It's nice to know that others have the same issues. Unfortunately the Ritalin has made next to no difference and my psychiatrist has interpretted my request for Adderall/Dexadrine as the desparate pleas of a drug fiend.

Am struggling right now. In the UK is seems medecine remains in denial about adult ADD and even our specialists are prejudiced and ignorant.

AndrewI have the exact same symptoms.

meadd823
10-06-07, 10:18 AM
Adderall/Dexadrine as the desparate pleas of a drug fiend.


But drug addiction would be mundane repetitive activity which is some thing you avoid????? Hmm that doesn't make sense.


Am struggling right now. In the UK is seems medecine remains in denial about adult ADD and even our specialists are prejudiced and ignorant

That sucks I am sorry you have to go through this.



I seek extra information to avoid boredom. I will read cornflake packets, read books even while walking, listen to talk radio in the car, always have the TV on, play computer games and will even read the back of a shampoo bottle whilst on the toilet! I do not have personal resources to keep off boredom, probably because


I seek variety. I like to do new things, go new places on holiday, try new foods and have deep conversations but hate chit-chat.

I minimise/avoid boring tasks. I empty my dish-washer in around 1 minute my cupboards are all planned optimally. I get an accountant to do my tax return.


I do some of the same things and I am hyperactive ADD.Actually I do all of them except have the TV on all the time = my hyper husband does that, I do not play computer games but I am on the computer a lot. I usually have any where from three to five different sites up at once.

Work gets boring so I have changed jobs on average every 1-2 years, since 23 I have had 17 different IT jobs at 9 different employers. I have been a programmer, analyst, systems programmer, marketing specialist, hardware sales rep, software sales rep, manager, Managing Director, Owner/MD start-up. Now fundamentally bored with IT, I am becoming a coach/positive psychologist.


I am a year younger and am working on my third different profession.

ADD = BA---> Boredom Aversion.

Except for the energy level and the long term memory problem I do many of the same things for the same reasons. When I am bored I feel like I am going to jump out of my skin unless my medication is just beginning to wear off then my mind simply wanders off without my body. IN my natural hyper state my mind mind still wonders off when I am bored it just takes my body with it.

IN this world there is just too much repetition, and nonsense task, that take too long to do.

CynicallyNaive
10-10-07, 11:14 AM
I just had to reply as I identify so closely with the OP. I'd say I'm about 80% the same -- only salient differences are, I most certainly am impulsive, and I occasionally do "zone out" involuntarily if something doesn't interest me. Not often enough to be a real problem though.

Like the OP, my propensity to boredom is a real career problem. Like the OP, I've mostly worked in IT, although I have a pretty strong feeling that it's not my "calling."

At any rate, I was about to post about it on the career forum, but in my "due diligence" search ended up here instead.

BoredADD
10-10-07, 06:06 PM
IT: liked programming but it got repetitive, found marketing silly and shallow, loved selling but more ideas than products and hated negotiating, loved "imagining" new IT businesses but when they became a reality I couldn't plan well enough to run them. Changes in IT seem so slow, years slower than anyone wants, so IT can be frustratiing.

Trying to define my new career too (at 45), have some training, some experience, some ability, some ideas but insufficient motivation.:eyebrow:

A

robmuld
10-27-07, 08:01 PM
Wow, you just described me to a T! Did you manage to get that prescription for Adderall after all? Maybe you could try Strattera and see if that helps.

QueensU_girl
10-27-07, 10:08 PM
re: #1

What fields, activities, or subjects are you INTERESTED in?

QueensU_girl
10-27-07, 10:12 PM
re# 1

"Hyperactivity" does NOT always indicate ADD/ADHD.

That is a myth. (Perpetuated by society and the Press.)

kilted_scotsman
10-28-07, 07:00 AM
Hi Bored ADD

You just described me to a T...right down to being in IT for a while.

I am due for an ADD assessment next week at LANC down in Horsham.

The fact that Rilalin hasn't helped is worrying as both my wife and I am pinning alot on being able to get some medication to be able to get my life back on track.

What I would add as a big WARNING is that I was functioning OK in society until kids came along. In the last 10 years my life has fallen apart to the extent that I have contemplated suicide (though being a dad stopped any attempt), made horrific life decisions, lost hundreds of thousands of pounds, and am in last ditch couple counselling. I stumbled upon ADD while researching the reasons for chest pain and panic attacks.

Looking back...if I had a job that involved a period at work solidly then a period at home things would probably be OK...say working offshore or abroad. The money would come in and each "deployment" would be long enough to get into the job but short enough that I didn't get bored and bite the bosses head off.

You sound like my long lost twin

kilt

orbit1
11-08-07, 12:57 AM
this is boring