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qinkin
05-03-07, 02:05 AM
Clearly, the metamodel web must also model the intrinsic nature of Nature in some important ways. The relevant artifacts aren’t only in the form of the structure, but implicit in the way any logical model reflects the logic intrinsic to RRReality.heyhye, sweet. this is a great way of explaining it. Very cool. *******' awesome, and (in/un)definitely logical.

that's why, this lives:
anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, accept it and live up to it.

Accuracy from the web modelling something of more similar structure to a web
doesn't this come, as a natural process? in nature, becoming more and more like, itself.

lol

to some extent, it is up in the air, though, haha.

Nature, as a clishay, is a lot like water: precipitation, raining, flowing, washing, cleansing, the more nature- the better the quality of life, which may or may not depend on water being present.

Even dust, takes on the characteristics of water, though dust is dry.

Magnetics, or subtle energy, may actually be this Nature.


So it’s proper to say that flat models use a subset of the logic intrinsic to Nature.yes, and Yoga (to join, or joining w/) is an active process, like the characteristic of Nature. agree?

ok, well. If Logic and Yoga intertwine w/___ myabe magnetics/subtlenergy. There is the 3 fundamental Nature's of Now/theDrama/Reality. haha it's just a guess, putting that outhere.


And like i, seeing it changes everything… huh? wtf. like I-Ching? where the "I" actually sounds like an "E," hmm, it pronounces as an E sound.

and Ch sounds like a "J" actually, and of course the next 'i' sounds like an 'e.'


... where'd the E go from the w(E)b ...?.. well, it's just as good, as to say, it is that, pretty much.

the imaginary i, well this is crazy.


~game on~
In the beginning there is still beginning(s)

lol. peace!

transient also goes by, temporary, changing, evolving b/c it is tricky. like zombies, in media nowadays, over the past years leading to Now.

some governmental leaders believe it’s OK to lie oh? govern-mental. E(go) maniacs.

yah, sucks but the government does, in a way, reflect the physchology of the general person, which includes ADHD pyschology. so, ok, know what ryhmes w/E?

V-which is for Virtue. and also, oddly, for Vendetta.

and venom and vickson. (winks)


but the best of all, is the red-reindeer, or monkey, or whatever, but wanting to be is not a certain word that begins with V

so, ! adios

complex ~also goes by~ (virtual, logical, alchemical, imaginary)

meadd823
05-03-07, 02:36 AM
Man the mental gear change . . .ouch !

I should have avoided those negative threads before coming over here. . . but it is soo hard to avoid negative threads and moderate them at the same time. . . I skipped a couple . . . I can only handle so much "blah" . . . . sucks out all my brain jiuce. . . . {negativity sucks literally} Okay guys my brain needs to WAKE UP!

Wiggle break . . . got to get some brain juice . . . got tea? Green tea with honey yumm brb to re-read Stabile's post again. . .

meadd823
05-03-07, 04:47 AM
Yan Xin Qigong Scientific Research
(http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/DrYan_qi-wtr.html)

Action
response
Interaction

+

Butterfly effect,

=

mucho exhanges and interactions

No wonder my mind is always busy


Conitueing on more reading = research on what ever happens to bum into me

Stabile
05-03-07, 09:12 AM
anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, accept it and live up to it…
Yup, but there’s a subtle point here that leads to much of what vexes us.

Think for a moment about modeling some aspect of Reality; if you use relative metalevel, and I don’t, it’s possible that we’ll devise two very different models. Most often the difference is undetectable, because the rule is it must accurately reflect what we perceive, and presumably we both perceive the same Reality.

But sometimes the difference is noticeable, through effects reflected in other models, like the way we know dark matter exists. And here’s where the subtlety comes in: both models are provably correct. We each respond to the difference in the ordinary way, re-examining our models and making any corrections necessary, and when we’re done…

…they’re still different.

That corrective behavior is at the heart of human communication, and if it fails big alarms go off. It’s always working, although we don’t normally recognize it for several reasons, including the fact that quite a bit of it is still tied up with mating behavior.

Mating behavior is a whole ‘nother can o’ worms, not presently applicable to this discussion. But we can introduce this bit: some aspects of the behavior are disguised by neural mechanisms we call ‘black holes’, really just examples of simple dissociative mechanisms. Those black holes wind up covering a lot, including some common behaviors like the one we’re discussing.

So we have an important faculty that we normally don’t recognize, which has a big alarm that we certainly do recognize, and some perfectly normal aspect of using logic to reason can set it off. Worse yet, there isn’t any mechanism for resetting it when it’s wrong -- this is the first time in history that it’s possible for it to be wrong. Selection of an appropriate mechanism is happening right now, as we speak.

When this error occurs, we often wind up caught in a loop: we try to fix the problem with our models, to resynchronize them, it fails, the impulse to fix them is retriggered, and around she goes. The usual eventual solution is for one or the other to walk away, literally cut off communication to stop the turning of that maddening wheel.

We can tell y’all from personal experience that’s not the best choice. You can stand up for yourself, which is marginally better than being the one who runs away, and do it by being perfectly correct. But it still hurts; we all lose something when communications breaks, no matter who is forced to leave.

So when we say that “anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all”, there’s a caveat. We have to define what logic we’re willing to accept, and accept that sometimes provably correct logic really isn’t, in the larger sense.

I should mention that the situation isn’t symmetrical; if you incorporate relative metalevel into your logical models, you will be able to understand how those who don’t use it create their subtly different models, and also see exactly why they’re different. But they can’t see anything except that we seem to insist on being wrong.

And it scares the pants off ‘em…


…but the government does, in a way, reflect the psychology of the general person, which includes ADHD psychology…
Interesting point, and one which we’ve used to track the rise of the application of relative metalevel in the history of the species.

Our (American) Constitution is our favorite example, although it’s more recent than most. It’s remarkable for the fact that the framers consciously sought to codify wisdom rather than opinion, a very wise and ADDish take on the situation.

As a result, the rules work even now, several hundred years later, in exactly the way they were intended. Not to the joy of all, of course, but that’s the point: the rules recognize the will of the majority while protecting the will of the minority, even the minority of one, even if that one has yet to be (and may never be) born.

Tough job, eh? It does reflect AD/HD psychology, though, and is likely a strong contributor to our being here now.

Read about the Constitutional debate, with an eye for the way the Founding Fathers were wrasslin’ with the same stuff we face, trying to define with words that which can’t yet be expressed, specifically intending that expression be free to develop at some future time.

Very cool stuff. Way cooler than the way primitive application of relative metalevel led to the creation of royalty and royal lineage, for example. In that case, government reflected what the general person was unable to do, what was (presumably) missing in the common population’s psychology.

Kings existed because they actually enhanced the quality of the social group in significant ways. They could see how to make the group work in a complex, evolving world, and we know it mostly worked, because it survived.

The impulse to take that role in social situations still exists today; it’s why we mentioned some governmental authorities are willing to lie to us for our own good. They think they’re doing the right thing, and as often as not it’s triggered by the existence of obviously incorrect models that we seem unable to repair…

qinkin
05-03-07, 10:45 AM
thinkyes that is the troulbe, in most.

and realize that changing something external does change the internal. Look at seasonal depression disorder. Change the colors of inside the house, and get outside more, where there is light, and a more "natural intrinsic" nature, and the depression goes away.


For more than one reason, it goes away. It has to do w/magnetism, which is an abstract way, the colors, both of which can be either something or nothing, or both:

black and white: all or nothing, or maybe in reality, since white implies black, both. vice versa

ok. is that good enough? maybe it cannot be in words, but it's an exercise to try. Why do anything? lol, 'cept challenge what apparently is, doing this, realize the property of impermenence to apparent reality, and can Now-change.

It's always ready, that's why the best time is now, to do anything, or not do anything- to give up anything.

mention that the situation isn’t symmetrical ok, well. Uhhmm. It is an illusion, that the cosmos is not symmetrical. In nature, that is.

It's pretending things like the yin-yang is not symmetrical, by all appearences it is, and that is the intention- to actually see the equality of it. The yin-yang actually goes beyond the idea of symmetry and turns that idea into something else:

intrinsic equality-or intrinsic parallelism(not literally parallelism, necessarily)

notice that instrinisic causes the person to think of intertwining, like a helical structure, which are circles twisting, in a way (*bows)

:o



Mating behavior is a whole ‘nother can o’ worms, not presently applicable to this discussion.well, not necessarily, but it is ok. of course, of course, yes/no.


but it's natural to do this, it's not to say, that some are not on a good path, but some are more than some.

so, it is likely that everything that is in the past, can happen, but it is not-likely that it does happen, or needs to for advancement, evolution, whatever, world peace, balance, complete enlightenment, and funn.


the impulse to fix does need to stop right now.



don’t use it createonly when there is not a virtuous balance between the not fixing and fixing.


…they’re still different.well, that's okaayyy.. so is white and black, and a positive charge to a negative, but that is so cool too. That there is still magic, still distinguishment of things, it allows for more exciting games. . for even the experiencer, inside the experience, and the experiencers outside of this apparent one "experience."


It is a design that allows for surprises, most safely and ingeniously, freedom is a lot like this, if the word freedom has any validity in relation to surprises.

ok, need to go right now, but so far, this is awesome.

*peaceandthanksforthe talkingback

talking back, or having a conversation has the same function as an echo/listening to an echo. Honestly, think about this! the batcave, can't help but notice the echoes

Stabile
05-03-07, 11:48 AM
talking back, or having a conversation has the same function as an echo/listening to an echo. Honestly, think about this! the batcave, can't help but notice the echoes
Human communication is by definition bilateral;

so there is no such thing as a one-sided conversation, although we (uniquely among all species) can have a private internal conversation with a logical model of another person;

but that doesn’t necessarily constitute a conversation, and it’s not communication;

and, if art is communication (and of course it is) this means there is no such thing as secret art…

(grins)

SB_UK
05-03-07, 12:39 PM
:-)

adders workin' up a head a'steam
'toot toot'

now where will we end up next?


qin
kin

xin

in
trin

-sic

bin*
*approximate location of sb's brain
i wanna' new one :-)

SB_UK
05-03-07, 12:48 PM
something outside like for instance woman (sugar and spice and all things nice)
something inside like for instance woman (representation of 'sugar and ...')

{{{RRReality}}}{{{rrreality}}}

noting that RRR and rrr aren't the true single RRReality, and false logical rrreality - respectively - rather that credits RRR with a little too much - and is scornful of our internal milieu.

Better - that the Go..delian instantiation within which we find ourselves - requires two 'halves' - and that the two halves have a {{{real}}}{{{complex}}} relationship - but that real and complex lose their meanings - more uber structures built from the same fundamental substrate - which are eversions of one another -
kinda' like a boot to its print in the snow
kinda' like a latex glove on a hand to its form when pulled off - turning inside out and then switched over - an apparent mirror image - but the mathematical correction necessary to deliver this structure is not trivial

Zach326 taught me that it was an eversion - I hadn't heard of this manipulation previously.

SB_UK
05-03-07, 01:01 PM
Ahhh!

I see -

RRR and rrr are built from the same fundamentals - eversions of one another.
The relative metalevel defines a logical hierarchy.
Once we have that - we have a structure of defined form.
We can manipulate that form - evert it - to generate another form -
this other form is its eversion

... these are RRR and rrr

oh gosh !

and presumably the same thing can recur within the rrr ie

rrr1 rrr2

here rrr1 == one form
eversion ->-
rrr2 == the other form

Ahhh!

man and woman as physical form - eversions of one another - if one examines male and female anatomy

Ahhh!!!

so - the {{{form 1}}}{{{eversion of form 1}}} has precedent for occurring within RRR ie both within RRR

and so what if this also occurred within rrr

ie

{{{form X}}}{{{eversion of form X}}} within rrr ie within our mind.

Two representations - logical of man and woman within the logical domain.

Smell!

This suggests that the notional urge to escape to out there -
is arbitrary -
and that out there is wherever we happen to travel - or ascend - wherever we are
taken in the process of ascension

- of our ascension as defined by the ADDF ideas of EEE
emergent energetic evolution
evolution of structure as energy vessel

cool!

OK - so male and female physical forms have physical babies

... what do male and female intimately converged webs have?


... physical babies with conferred capacity - conferred through and in line with
the emergent partners ...

two logical structures - within mind ...
would be able to know what the other would do - in most circumstances
... kinda like a logical model in systems analysis

... communication reaches greater depths - the smallest of signs loaded with references - high bandwidth communication

hmmm...

a baby born from parents - with intimately converged webs - each of the other - would yield ...

hmmm...

that new Apple phone ?

yes

that's it

it is mighty fine after all... ... ...

sausages.

(veggie)

qinkin
05-03-07, 01:11 PM
about the necessity of interactionhahahehehehe

sorry about hyperlaugh

and, if art is communication (and of course it is) this means there is no such thing as secret art…
no secrets, here. nope. nothing. well, it's the form that does matter, and if there is motivation, then the thing keeps going, it is worth the candle after all, and Nature already knows, (and some persons do too!, sneaks! --hehe, :eyebrow:looks around suspiciously)

*in an honest, but still laughing manner, sincerity

seriously getting a job, or a normal way of interacting, a certain paradigm on many levels, and interest helps, but a certain paradigm of interaction that is going to happen, and always does. is necessary, to make the pain go away... and dragging it out, do not regret, it dramatic (so it is not terrible, but not perfect, yet when there is pain w/o pleasure at once, for if it is an act, then nobody really dies completely and knows it, w/o waking up, ever.


yes that is the troulbe, in most. Do not mean to be condescending or mean, that is a general/philosophical statement, not personal intentionally.


(and of course it is)thanks

lol!

close to a dialogue type of writing, hmmrrr.. rrmm

the (you-implying way of speaking) and!

it is always that "you" implying for every work, for every action. So why say it? ever? unless in this situation? lloll. well, those lines w/o breaks mean something to this situation. It means the firm, the steadfast, the unyielding, and the past says it is right to stand firm to this belief, for good comes of it, and is coming out- right now. It's a reminder

So, be as impersonal as possible, by not sounding like a personal statement person. The gig is up! muahaha

well this is a game too, but it's fair enough. try it:

as for life: it does work, even is speech, but remaining firm (the solarplexus and breath is useful) to this is good for sustaining, and enjoying it.

and it also prevents many unskillful mistakes, interacting-wise. in the end- it is useful.


ok here it is:
(the cat is out)

ok really:
do not use personal modifying words or words in thought, which is a little easier than words in speech and type. But! keep the focus, alright. now, the words for right now are as follows:

to stay away from:::::

"I, or me" in the sense of personal
"you" in the personal sense
"they, them, their" personal-wise
"his, her, him, she" personal-wise
"others" personal-wise (this is tricky)

and maybe keeping away from sense of ownership possessive modifiers; like "it's" or "dog's".

besides that:
do not speak other than in the present tense of speech, it is possible to get around everything, in a timely manner, concerning memories, that have a rich context. but please, try to understand this. it is all about practicing, so don' worry, it may be difficult cuz' it's new. this is not doctrine, nor of any kind of agenda that is of this world, it is not authoritative, it is an idea, that so far, works (in a practical- and scientific way, most likely) .. show as little of the past as possible in speaking, it works in life, it is practical. it is observable throughout all the posts w/in a few weeks (most likely).

it is really easy to get this tone from some Buddhism, but have faith, this is different.

it's hard to know what science really is, anyway.


where this goes is up to the winds, and the path of useful and enduring actions


sorry for the lesson of practical "right speech". this is somewhat official, but there is no proof it is. and there is no authority here, it is the science of speech, there is not really an authority, here, listen or not. please do not force it.


and, if art is communication (and of course it is) this means there is no such thing as secret art… and if this is so, then hehehe, the secret of a form of speaking beneficially, is not a secret anymore.

(it is not complete, if reason arises to change it, be sure to use a lot of logic and time, before any decision, that shows it is actually unuseful, in the longest term)

This is not only useful, it is also fun, it feels like it is not contendable. and if it is, it also is not, so it survives, as long as the practice remains steadfast.

It is not only not contendable and useful, it is also erradicates many subtley unskillful ways of talking.

well thanks so much for the energy! ~ intrinsic nature, actually replies back, in the form of "echoing" from the walls.


ok, bye 4 sho':cool:

Stabile
05-03-07, 01:40 PM
…kinda' like a boot to its print in the snow
A dual…


two …(intimately converged webs )… within mind ...would be able to know what the other would do - in most circumstances…
…even those circumstances not yet met…


... communication reaches greater depths - the smallest of signs loaded with references - high bandwidth communication
…where the bandwidth exceeds the limitations of that other dimension, time…


…kinda' like a latex glove on a hand to its form when pulled off - turning inside out and then switched over - an apparent mirror image - but the mathematical correction necessary to deliver this structure is not trivial

Zach326 taught me that it was an eversion…


… sausages.
…without the hand, the gloves are just sausages, in fact the entire universe is just sausages and doughnuts, and the eversion loses all meaning…


(and isn’t it interesting that Word insists in changing eversion to aversion?)

qinkin
05-03-07, 02:50 PM
it does not matter, but letting persons know, that this is crazy~~> all the posts here, but try, oh do try to gets it!:o

sincerely, no.

come on and turn it again. spin the record again, at least one more time!

ok, a few more words:

ahh cannot remember!

oh crap,

well, it's alright! ahh! need an instrument w/ all the strings still on. damn. need a lute, (know any dealers? or how to make one? and/ or a second string for an electric guitar):)

lol, that's not really a metaphor

…where the bandwidth exceeds the limitations of that other dimension, time…well, that is quite a connection, yes/no! but more yes than no. yin/yang - does need music to work good

within mind .
yes, two identical brainwashings, lol, j/k. but dunno 'bout this.~~~it is hard to tell

exceeds the limitations of that other dimension, time…let go of time, right now. and keep doing it, until it does not come back, ever ever..

don' say what it says, make something new, sometimes, maybe this is listening to more than one strand at once. :confused: but this is suspiscious, says the way things normally go.

yes more knoweledge is necessary in times like this, actually, more gasp* time



(and isn’t it interesting that Word insists in changing eversion to aversion?)
yessss.. go on.

______________________________

A dual… wtf?

does this mean, a shootout? cuz' that's an odd thing to say, all lonessome like. And that quote.. is from a Western, prolly. so, is it 4sho'?

tha's it, throw the gloves down, and! be a genuine faker.

do it, now.

lol

get the music w/o words going, so there is no distractions either. cuz' Word is so distracting, and so anti-ADHD. Want to experience a battle of epic proportions? Well, do this, and dreams happen! :p;):faint:

maybe it is not only a joke, maybe it is more, however doubtful. It is doubtful, sweet~ that is what makes dreams, and dreams make now. the mind is yang, the body is yin, and vice versa.

"or sometimes not at all" hhhehehehe, "ya baby"

see - hmm, a line from "Signs"
tell ___ whatever to "see".

hrrmmm. . . yes, a good message

when is it time to replace human w/ silence? right now, eh? and now is the time to forget labels. Well that is to spurr thinking on what it really means to be human, cuz some animals are quite human, according to the definition of '''human''''. Angels is closer to the true definition of what it is
to be an organism, afterall.

make it easy, make it nice, yayayaahey well, it's alright

so, be adios partner_ adios and hastaluegoand

piece, wait piece! that refers to guns! oh geeze! lollol, oh a perfect uhhmm. see it in a sec, hold up.


but adios for a few hours!?/!

SB_UK
05-03-07, 05:17 PM
mind......-------7->9
body......-------7->9

chakras
n==7
1..3
3..6
6..9

-> spirit

{I}{I}
RRR rrr
who plays lead?

mind delivered - but rrr is a result of evolution
where's the mind without primitive nervous system of worm?

mind of man is special.
Mind kicks off rrr playing lead

In the previous n=1..9
physical drove, logical was a mandatory partner

... then a switch

the physical structures forming - a mandatory requirement -
though - with the logical world as driver

-real-virtual-real-virtual
-{}- physical
_[]_ logical

... ... ..1-{}- 23'_[]_4'5'-{}-6'7_[]_89-{}-1011'_[]_ 12'... ... ...
from 23' to 1011'

the metalevel is either physical-physical, logical-logical or logical-physical

PP
89

LL
4'5'

LP
23' logical plays the lead ->
6'7 physical plays the lead ->
1011' logical plays the lead ->

logical
physical

do not matter - what matters is their relationship.

qk
- that be the dual ...
- each of the two - a perfect representation of the other
(a lossless encoding - following decoding)
... but by everting one - by literally twisting it inside out.

Next level up ... sociology, community, love (all forms +1 big un, little un, many uns [many uns - fellow man - 'love thy neighbour')
n'=1..3
4...6
7[...9]

->- n'' = 1..9
with physical regaining the lead?
however - wherever one goes - the other follows ... ... ...

-> puppy dog eyes <-

SB_UK
05-03-07, 05:38 PM
is it possible for us to have a co-existence of
n
n'
and
n''
?

using specific context (energy) n'' is better
noting that n' would but n shouldn't be confronted with the idea of 'better' (even with carefully circumscribed context)
n people consider better to be one group of individuals versus an other
better than another

n people find it difficult to see past this misconception.
or perhaps it's only a misconception at n>n'

but then again n' can be used to mimic n

heck!

I know what I mean (at least, immediately after reading Tammy's explanation)

:-)

...

SB_UK
05-03-07, 05:43 PM
qigong
... if man shapes environment - man floats man's own boat
- without reliance on celestial bodies to drive Earths' pistons
... tides

.
.. bobbing gently upon the sea
- how very peaceful.

SB_UK
05-04-07, 02:45 AM
qi gong
prana (->- meditative practice)
breathing

melt away anxiety at a certain point in aerobic exercise
sensation is equivalent to (and transient also) - the effects of speed on a motorbike
(not in a car)


Exercises which most quickly manifest these positive benefits involve circular motion of legs ... cycling (circular motion) and my personal favourite - the 'eliptical cross trainer' ...
hmmm...
'eliptical' not actually circular.
Regular aerobic exercise - simple to control.

Speaking destroys the meditative state of aerobic exercise.

Speaking


interferes with breathing


Breathing - the act of oxygenation of


blood [water]

H + O -> oh !
H2O

:-)

physics -> chemistry
The release of energy at the interface between the proton (sub-atomic) and the element H2,H2O


table below - and wow! wikiP - that information - I really did not know - and you really are very good.

<table class="wikitable" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0.5em 0.5em;" align="right" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" height="165" width="478"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" style="background: rgb(160, 255, 160) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; color: green;" align="left">Atomic properties</th> </tr> <tr> <td align="left">Crystal structure</td> <td>hexagonal</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Oxidation states</td> <td>1, −1
(amphoteric oxide)</td></tr></tbody></table>












acid + base ->- salt + water

no such thing as a free particle
From above:
hydrogen, with amphoteric oxide
Hexagonal
With capacity to take either of the two states within
acid + base ->- salt + water

The energy of emergence of our Universe of mass - arises at this transition point ... mass gains weight? - for sure though, chemistry - the emergent properties of elements - observed following the transition -
rise to a higher abstraction layer - of particular note
- reflecting acid + base ->- salt + water
with hydrogen oxide amphoteric ie either acid or base

Interesting alignment with eg glycine - the simplest amino acid - and also the amino acid incapable of demonstrating chimaeric behaviour by virtue of its 2 x H groups


Because there is a second hydrogen atom at the α carbon, glycine is not optically active.

That's a pattern - the first emergent structure post emergence - requiring a community - before able to demonstrate the chimaer
gly-gly-gly
the protein biochemist's diaphragmatic laughter


breathing from the diaphragm
... sweeping over the solar plexus

sun |Earth's sea| moon

sun -channel- moon
sun -> sea ->- moon

the sea as the transduction of energy from
{circular,angular} -> linear
or more importantly - from one plane of motion into another

... alteration of motion from multiple axes of orthogonal description into

{fewer
more}
axes of orthogonal description

Idea:
up, down motion described in x,y
circular motion may only be described in x,y,z

Breathing of air ->- lungs
is similar to linear motion (down bronchi) - into spherical motion (the expanding lungs)

... the steam engine - coal powered motion of pistons in linear fashion - into the rotation of wheel on track
toot toot:-)

yin ->- air from mouth downawards -> lung (linear -> spherical energy transduction)
yang ->- electricity from the ground uppawards ie ground through the spinal cord, through brain stem, centre to PFC

geometry of the spinal cord to PFC
and
mouth to lungs

... the equivalent to the 'omega-3 fatty acid structure'
- 3 kinks
- the energy channel.

-*-

or the converse yin as yang, yang as yin ... no matter

-*-

Energy powers the ecosystem
However if the ecosystem reflects a particular signal transduction mechanism ie via waves -> power -> planet Earth

Alternative mechanisms for energy transduction ie
repetition of the same basic
yin yang pattern - not of magnetosphere[electricity], tides[air]

describe this here on ADDF
... but a similar pattern on a smalle scale

planet Earth
magnetosphere[electricity], tides[air]

wo/man
magnetosphere -> our 'aura' - an extrapolation of the ExG (x = C,M,E) thingy
[electricity] -> neurotransmission
tides -> blood flow
[air] -> breathing

hmmm...

green onions.

[guacamole,veggie sausages,doughnuts,cheese]

qinkin
05-04-07, 07:04 AM
xercises which most quickly manifest these positive benefits involve circular motion of legs ... cycling (circular motion) and my personal favourite - the 'eliptical cross trainer' ...
hmmm...
'eliptical' not actually circular.
Regular aerobic exercise - simple to control.

Speaking destroys the meditative state of aerobic exercise.Is this to put down to a strategy of using Skill Speech? Have to ask, cause of the last sentence thing.


so, is there a more natural way, to speak? and still be able to communicate on high levels?


acid + base ->- salt + water

hey, so for every base there is an acid to counteract

acid implies base and VV

the sea as the transduction of energy from
{circular,angular} -> linear
or more importantly - from one plane of motion into another like this very much, it is exciting to imagine.

Breathing of air ->- lungs
is similar to linear motion (down bronchi) - into spherical motion (the expanding lungs) but waht about the alignment of the spine, what has it to do, w/this elliptical/circular motion of energy forces/oxygen-into H2O cycles.


sun |Earth's sea| moon ya, good pictures come out of this.



geometry of the spinal cord to PFC
and
mouth to lungs

... the equivalent to the 'omega-3 fatty acid structure'
- 3 kinks
- the energy channel. oh! so this is where the spinal cord comes in, uhmm. . . no no, it is clear, thanks for this .

3 kinks in the spinal cord?

:D


.. bobbing gently upon the sea
- how very peaceful. yesss


(a lossless encoding - following decoding)
... but by everting one - by literally twisting it inside out.
ahh, frankssss


as for speaking that ruins the state of aeorobic exercise, yes it the bane to many a band nowadays, the crappy lyrics.

use techno for dancing, not (any rock-band).


Regular aerobic exercise - simple to control. the idea to always return to the breath and mindfulness of proper alignment.


but what about the idea of not-forcing, of letting it all flow together, is even attempting Skillful Speech really stopping this process? dunno, here is a good talk:
~~~http://amberstar.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=126453

Stabile
05-04-07, 02:12 PM
or a second string for an electric guitar
Ah! You’re looking for a Be string…

I generally rely more on my Gee string, but I tend to bend the daylights out of it…


wtf?
Oh, shoot, no, not that kind of dual. (Duel? Duel? We don’t need no steenking duels…)

Dual is a mathematical / formal logic idea, two apparently independent things that are actually different aspects of a single, more complex underlying entity.

Dual usually implies a hidden, binding relationship that is revealed when you try to interact independently with one or the other object. It’s an idea that appears in a lot of Zen references, like the hole your finger occupies when you stick it into a bowl of water.

Real duals are usually inherently more mysterious.

Stabile
05-04-07, 02:20 PM
{I}{I}
RRR rrr
who plays lead?
(grins) As long as we’re in a musical mood…

Who plays lead? I can’t always say. But I know you get an entirely different answer from Ted Nugent than the one I would usually pick.

Aerobic means something entirely different to that guy, I think. I don’t want to own the air; I’m willing to let it go eventually, back from whence it came…

SB_UK
05-04-07, 03:07 PM
day ->
night <-

^
|
inhale

exhale
|
v

twanging g strings
on lead

:-)

->
<-

^
|

|
v

paramedics
we got us an emergency riddum

clear

ba doom

lub-dub lub-dub


lub-a-dub styli
... mr lubba dubba
dey call me mr quketastic
bendy like elastic
i sway on dee stage like no udder
dey say 'qukes yuz plastic'

SB_UK
05-04-07, 03:09 PM
twanging g strings
on lead woof !

sweet :-)

qinkin
05-04-07, 04:10 PM
yay! G strings. haha, it is such a turn on, it is unbelievable, but never mind that. but, in need of a B string.

woof ! it speaks for itself


Dual usually implies a hidden, binding relationshipcool, thanks for the inferrrmation

it's a dalmation~plantation, huh huh~!

wtffff


favourite ablution sea shanty

well, alright. nice "says the stereotypical art teacher to the stereotypical wierdo"

paramedics ooohhhkay, better come fast cuz'
it is a' going to dieeeeii!!!


an expert on M&M (s) well, the confusion never ends. lol. .. eeyh, it is ok.

what? :eyebrow:is there a problem, officer?


. (Duel? Duel? We don’t need no steenking duels…) ya, lol. hahaha ah......psshh

even have a picture to go along that theme, hehe
http://photos-773.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v74/156/79/581305331/n581305331_364773_7425.jpg

the arkillians think it is funny as hell

does the whistling* the duel theme song! It is in the movie Sandlot, right before jumping over the fence to pickle the beast. lollol.

Stabile
05-04-07, 04:44 PM
n
n'
and
n''…
(Be) string along with Ram Dass…

if n’ is the delta,
the prototypical operation of a neural machine: compare the stored pattern with the pattern presented, and note the differences;

and n'’ is the double delta,
the new mode of operation of neural machines: compare this comparison with that one, necessarily made simultaneously, and note the differences in the differences;

n must be the undelta,
the primal state: stuff rather than comparison, or our newfound further abstraction of that abstract fence between here and there,

things the way they must be absent the experience of experience.

qinkin
05-04-07, 05:08 PM
"that's what the emerging game is all about."there is like a certain knights of the round table thing going on, concerning certain persons.





must be absent the experience of experience. must be absent *(of)* the experience of experience.

a litttle correction, which makes sense, whether getting the idea, or not. . . lol

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Dass)for continuing to fraternize with, and give psilocybin to, undergraduates. hahaha

Wait!!!

Be string?

delta?

hrrmrmrm

n must be the undelta Eureka moment? dunno what this means

and n'’ is the double delta, which makes n' of course! delta


oh, coming out of the egg? ohkay.

3 deltas,
3 kinks,
3 wise things

***-dass. . . .pshhh

alright, all 4,
need to go back inside,
cuz' that last post-last sentence,
is kinda' awkward,
ya, peacefor now

Stabile
05-04-07, 07:33 PM
…things the way they must be absent the experience of experience.

must be absent *(of)* the experience of experience…
They’re both correct constructions; I think I like the simpler one better. It conveys a subtly different sense of absent, meaning something more like leaving out or excepting. Disincluding, if you will…


n
n'
and
n''…
Alternatively,

if n’ is the model,
the prototypical operation of a neural machine: find a pattern and store it, making careful note of its similarities to other patterns;

and n'’ is the metamodel,
the new mode of operation of neural machines: store the precise record of the similarities, noting the type of similarity and storing that as well, and throw away the rest;

n must be the detail,
the primal state: stuff represented as a direct record of the patterns presented by nature, no editing, no critique, no opinion, and so no fences,

things the way they must be absent the experience of meaning…


(Ripple)
(Composed and written by Jerry Garcia and Robert Hunter)
( Ice Nine Publishing Co., Inc.)

(Ice Nine being a Kurt Vonnegut Jr. reference, of course…)

If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come through the music
Would you hold it near as it were your own?

It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken
Perhaps they're better left unsung
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air

Ripple in still water
When there is no pebble tossed
Nor wind to blow

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty
If your cup is full may it be again
Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of men

There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone

Ripple in still water
When there is no pebble tossed
Nor wind to blow

You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home…

SB_UK
05-05-07, 05:10 AM
which characteristics are respected?[3]

morality, wisdom, contentedness, peacefulness,
inspirational, reflective, selfless, truth-sayers,


we like things which make us feel good.

~but~

... the things which make us feel good -
change
as we develop mind - they change, as we change
- as we grow ... as our mind grows.

... [that the mind is potentially tracking a true reality]1 - by virtue of its delivery by the same process which delivered everything else - doesn't so much matter

... do we care (about [1])?
... well
... yes ... ... ...

why ?

... because the process which delivered mind
- delivered it with the purpose of X (X->[1]) which we interprete as being the need to explain away reality ([1]).

However ... what if that process which delivered mind (X->[1]) - were about to move on
... having discovered another process which satisfies - it
X ->- :-) -> X
, but moreso - us:
(X->[1])->[2]


Why wasn't 'clever' high on my list ...?... (above)[3]

Cleverness - has the feeling of not being so great ...

I have this sensation that the 'clever' are self-appointed, and that the clever who seek to be 'clever' - should they ever get there - it would actually transpire - would be wise ... but not clever
... with wisdom offering the insight that we're actually really quite stupid.

So - if the pursuit of education for $certificates$ which prove that we're clever (self-appointed and double-stamped by some cash-strapped Institution)
... is failing to deliver ... then
... what exactly ?

give up?
crawl under a stone and sleep until the end of time?
try not to think?

hmmm...

So - Buddha , Jesus, Mohammed and a whole loada' other guys have been delivering messages which involve spirituality.
I wonder - do you think it might be a completely fabricated construct?
Science says so.

Metaphysics ... let's not go there (says current parochial Science) ... we're chemical X binds Y (says current parochial Science)

no ... actually ...

science-people
... you've become a slave to proof

currently unprovable doesn't mean wrong
I know that you might not mean what follows - but unprovable is re-interpreted by others as wrong.

Ahhh!
Unprovable - means - that you guys can't put in a grant to study this thing.
Perhaps not a train of logic which is explicitly stated when 'unprovable' is used with deliberate ambiguity

... but there it is ...

Freedom from the constraints of having to have machinery which permits experimentation and a return to the world
- which I sense that ADDers will excel in ...
to the world of ~logic~

we're awfully good at that for a single mighty metamodellion reasons.
:-)

There's a single switch which was pulled some time ago - and which opened the
flood gates to
... well ...

poop

That switch permitted experiments to be hypothesis generating and not hypothesis driven.

A real problem.

No model
-> and any experiment can be fitted into that framework
- since there is no framework exists.

Define a model
- and progressively refine it - and before one can count to trinite/
- there it is

pushing the model, refining the model ->-
- a generalized architecture for everything.

Just to say then - that - the glitch in the system came - when some bright spark - decided - whilst extinguishing his brilliance in sewage - that man (and life) - were just
too
complex
... and that we should be allowed the freedom to flit from pointless to pointlesser ... unconstrained experimentation.

Jeff Goldblum
'whoaaa!
money gone
down
awww!
nothing
worse off
grrrr!
fat cats
death
whirrr!
darkness
confusion
duhhh!'

-*-

little boy says 'Yeah, until I told him good and proper'

Jeff scratches his head 'huh ???'

little boy says 'Yeah ... ...'

Goldblum slowly quizzing in the corner, steam blowing out his a55

boy says 'Yeah, so I sez ...
Emperor-dude

yur

twinkie's hanging out ... ... ...'

-*-

bless; it was a little shrivelled; in need of stretching its legs and maybe goin' visit;

it didn't get out much.

Stabile
05-05-07, 02:18 PM
So - Buddha , Jesus, Mohammed and a whole loada' other guys have been delivering messages which involve spirituality.
I wonder - do you think it might be a completely fabricated construct?
Science says so.

Metaphysics ... let's not go there (says current parochial Science) ... we're chemical X binds Y (says current parochial Science)

no ... actually ...

science-people
... you've become a slave to proof
OK, but aren’t we fixing that? Science isn’t really about proof, it’s about limiting reasonable doubt, and mainly, it’s about finding ways around the walls that imprison every individual inside, alone, in a an illusory world.

Every scientific proof is an exercise in dealing with Descartes’ conundrum, the seldom-quoted other half of I think, therefore I am, which is …but I’m apparently the only one here, and what do I do about that?

Science is about communication, finding ways to communicate that allow us to be as certain as possible that others playing the same game really do see the same thing I do. That’s the point of repeatability, and verification, and peer review, and most of the rest of the formalisms that have lately become restrictive boilerplate, to a degree, in certain situations.

Just think about how Chris’ post-graduate career has gone: figuring out how to use the weird math Einstein made famous to apply DFT to bent crystals; noting (correctly) that the tensor describing the way space is warped is, in fact, the strain tensor; finding out there are many legitimate answers to that one, most saying it isn’t; and finally dropping out temporarily to escape the resulting ugliness.

The problem is, the kid was right. What’s wrong is the math, and the way it’s wrong doesn’t have a name yet. Or it does, and it’s relative metalevel. But that’s a lot to put on the shoulders of a newly minted PhD candidate, and yet he still might have prevailed if not for the direct interference of his group leader, which continues to this day.

He had to escape to the coast and a different discipline, math instead of physics / physical chemistry, just to get away. But you know what he’s going after, just by the major he’s chosen, and sooner or later he’ll get back to that strain tensor question as an aside.

We’re all so transparent, sometimes…

Anyway, isn’t changing the way the goals of science are perceived what we’re really on about here? We don’t want to change science, just unclog some of the silly 4space ideologs that are gumming up the works.

As far as I know, there isn’t any reason science doesn’t work just fine out here in 13space. We won’t be able to abandon techniques for getting around the uncertainty of individual isolation until we reach the end, and at that point I doubt we’ll need science or anything like it.

Of course, most of our attention during this time of transition has been commanded by the task of bridging the gap between 4space and 13space. Kay and I wouldn’t even be here talking about all this if we weren’t faced with the problem of integrating our knowledge of one particular interaction that took place forty years ago into a world in which there are no words or similar models to describe it.

That’s the definition of a driver, isn’t it? Trying to explain how we could do something perfectly understandable to us, that furthermore is incontrovertible in what the important details are, that we still can’t describe in a simple way, even here.

This is scientifically proven stuff in terms of the real underlying definition: we know from independent validation that we both experienced the same event, in the same way, with no doubt about its details or the interpretation.

The mere fact that we are unable to speak about it in any normal way, even to ourselves, that we know we communicated during this event using words that don’t exist, or without words at all, but didn’t notice, is where the fun comes in. It’s just like Chris’ math, with several different answers to the same question, all provably legitimate: you know there’s something fundamental afoot, really significant in a deep way.

But the science only holds as long as the context is just us two, and not at all when we add even one more person to the mix. The problem itself is the problem, because the interesting bits are all about the same communication that science requires, and it’s not quite done yet.

(Well, that’s not entirely true; some people do fit in surprising ways. But mostly they fit out here in 13space, which doesn’t really fix the problem of bridging the gap. And most of ‘em we’ve not yet met face-to-face, so there’s potentially interesting stuff there, too. Some fun.)

In a very real way, what we’ve been on about has always had the goal of extending science, real science, across the divide that keeps us from being able to claim in a convincing way that we know we did something.

And we’re not kidding about this at all; on several occasions, we’ve been raked over the coals about it, the same thing Chris faced, and this was in situations that are strictly private and personal and supposed to be nurturing.

So being able to show formally that there isn’t any doubt about what we’re claiming is a useful thing, and the process for doing that is still going to be called science, yes?

SB_UK
05-05-07, 03:09 PM
:-)
... that'd be 'current parochial science' broadening its horizons.

... convincing the quivering chap that the World isn't flat, whilst showing him pictures of Hawaii
- may not be enough.

Let's just move them all to Hawaii (during the night) - and allow them to wake up to a surprise ...

'my my Arbuthnot
... I do believe that the sun is out'

'how very peculiar Giles -
everybody knows that in England
- it rains'

'well Arbuthnot
(jokingly)
... perhaps some deity has up and shifted our world to sunnier climes

(the pair laugh)

-*-

guys, not so ridiculous.
:-)
honest to deity (Bob).

qinkin
05-05-07, 03:40 PM
running and gunning and spitting and quitting and feeling and kneeling, and kissing/ mutual drooling

easing up from letting go

and ryhmes going along a windy path

running outside and inside of doing nothing


(during the night) laughing*



not so ridiculous.
lauging at night*

a feeling of not being real enough

and feeling as if not good enough


and progressively refine
for the long running


potentially tracking a true reality
getting so far down
coming up back through

:faint: slowly quizzinginteresting

SB_UK
05-07-07, 02:48 AM
Life, the Universe ... ... ... and Everything


-*- -*- -*-


The Tibetan Book of the Dead [WikiP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_book_of_the_dead)]source
[A google hit (http://reluctant-messenger.com/Tibetan-Book-Dead_Evans-Wentz.htm)]source

Imagine a loudspeaker which is rotating at the very centre of a sphere.

The sound from that speaker would increase and decrease as we stay still - and the speaker moves from facing us directly
-to-
facing away from us (directly)

-> the transition from the peak in amplitude to the minimum in amplitude - as we
-stay still-

And so the image of the waves radiating out from that central place - would be akin to this
((((((+))))))

in transit to (missing out some wave fronts)
..........................n
..........................n
...........................n
..........................+
...........................u
..........................u
..........................u

whereby an individual at for instance

+ represents the exact same point in space

.................................................. .................................................. ............................[x] <- there

would receive the 'sound' (from the speaker (as above)) in a wave of varying amplitude

- a sinusoidal wave form.

-*- -*- -*-


The radio wave -> through emergent evolution -> may generate the other wave forms (covered elsewhere on ADDF).

-*- -*- -*-


Since the Universe is characterized as an emergent structure - in which there is the apparence of a 'light' with temperature sweeping - generating new RRReality wherever it passes (covered elsewhere on ADDF) ... this could well represent the pattern which one would expect from 'live' emergence - that's an emergent reaction which is occurring instantaneously with energy of greater than a certain content level - generating a novel structure - by way of requirement to place the energy somewhere - noting that
... if one were to try and fit 3 marbles into a bag which only took 1 marble - one would need a new bag.
The old bag becoming a new bag - is in effect the emergent reaction - in which emergence delivers a new structure - which is can provide a container for that energy

-*- -*- -*-


So - we have the idea of a rotating loud speaker at the centre and a sweeping white light - which bears strong analogy to the idea of an 'omega-3 fatty acid' topology black hole which runs through the centre - and which {powers/is powered by} (a reciprocal relationship) -
the sweeping light - sweeping around the external surface of the container class - a container which we call our
'Universe'

-*- -*- -*-


A dark light from the centre (sound) and a bright white light on the periphery (light) - a reciprocal relationship - one powering the other (also described elsewhere on ADDF - 'cogs')

-*- -*- -*-


Seal the Universe (energetically) - and balance the Universe with reciprocal relationship to dark light (sound).

-*- -*- -*-


Emergent forms generated from that light - will return to the light - when in appropriate form -> when of a certain structure
{{{Hold the thought of dark and bright light (for later)}}}
-> death permits the re-integration of our structural form - with the light
- Heaven if you like - from the perspective of the pull which we feel ... ... ... to ascend back to 'from whence' we came - as our pull - our evolutionary drive - to generate structural form which permits our re-integration ... ... ...

-*- -*- -*-

from sources above ...

The 'Tibetan book of the Dead'
The name means literally "liberation through hearing in the intermediate state".

A common feature is the light of death.... face to face before with the Clear Light; and now thou art about to experience it - in its Reality.

-*- -*- -*-


And so it begins again ... the loud speaker firing off sound - reverberating around the central container of Universe - local properties of emergent energetic evolution - the goal - to drive formation of a certain emergent structure - which - in effect permits re-integration with the light - the counterpart structure of the darkness.
dark light - light light

And thereafter - it continues -
imagining RRReality as a series of black and white cogs - we observe the everted forms of energy -
black and white light (in effect) - the actual constituents of the black and white cogs - making the transition from black to white ...

from black cog 1 to white cog 2 to black cog 3 ...

energy shifting - transition - an engine in which things just keep on moving - because there's nothing much else for them to do - can't ditch the energy - no where to ditch it ... as such ...

So ... we have the image of a shift from side to side in a
Moebius strip - where the two sides are
real - black cog 1
imaginary - white cog 1


And then an eversion - whereby

imaginary white cog 1 becomes =>= real black cog 2
and seeks to pass its energy to
->- imaginary white cog 2

And so it continues.
A journey.

Our drive is to participate within this process.
Prevent resistances from attaining appropriate form -
appropriate form permitting 'freedom' of motion
- so that the journey may continue.

-*- -*- -*-


but then again ...

dunno' really ... ... ...


:-)

SB_UK
05-07-07, 08:26 AM
failure to attain emergent form ->-
try again.

why should evolution deliver things that die so quickly?
compared to

eg

a great big rock.

SB_UK
05-07-07, 09:00 AM
the metaphor of Heaven

... unravelled?

karma ... too ...?

re-birth, an after-life (of sorts).

SB_UK
05-07-07, 04:03 PM
ooo heck !

i do hope that nobody asks for proof ?

'man dude' (I'd say to him)

(or her)


'man dude(sse)'

'I'm not goin' to Hell and back to provide you with proof'

'... but I am willing to concede that if you can explain away everything* with a simpler model ...'

'then'

'that these ideas are wrong'

'wrong'

'wro' ... 'butcha' won't' ...

:-)



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SB_UK
05-07-07, 04:23 PM
The meaning of
{{{ADD}}} ... Life, the Universe and Everything

ball earings

SB_UK
05-07-07, 04:24 PM
wait a minute !

SB_UK
05-07-07, 04:26 PM
The meaning of
{{{ADD}}} ... Life, the Universe and Everything

ball bearings... ...

qinkin
05-07-07, 04:57 PM
novel nouvelle*, lol

alright bye,
j/k.

unless this is about a book, or something. :faint:

Tibetan Book of experiencing death and rebirth (in particular) during this life, as a living being. and also, how to die, lol. (not looking, so not sure)

a great big rock. ok now this is getting rediculous. . . lol ;)


re-birth, an after-life (of sorts).
funny, this wording is so similiar, yet no recollection of this typing above words. (conciously- can only process, 1-2 variables at a time, normally).


Liberation through Hearing
hillsidehill,
beatrix - - --> Lier,

possible relation

Liberation by standing, too.

up for rights to party.

(an adventrue personale)

No medication, possible amphetamine induction schizophrenia/pychosis, takes meds away, "forever more," but lucky this is not up to persons that have no experience, being on medications, at least of this type, in this way, for this period of time, as well. Need money to get prescription for medication at pharmacy, hopefully somebody cooperates.
(today, at Hospital~pyschiatrist)



(forgetting to tell pyschiatrist and parents, about cultivating righteous speech, oh damn, much more mention of this, prolly saves situation from going down drain) damn

talking same as on forums, 'cept there appears, some hesitation, in speech, but w/practice, gets better. hesitation, or lack of.... much improvement is obvious .

big-devils, time to vanquish

family is most difficult to overcome,
in this case,
g'luck, eh?

adios~~~

SB_UK
05-08-07, 01:36 AM
http://www.addforums.com/forums/image.php?u=11469&dateline=1178490369

Thanks to Cray z'd

... so the above image describes eversion.
A fundamental particle which switches from 'sausage' form with fingers sticking uppawards - to 'doughnut' form - with a hole through the centre.

More formally - the torus and reverse torus.

This shape - forms superstructures of itself in evolution.

This shape has two states and a regularity of transition - which we extrapolate up to 'time' - though human time isn't actually an absolute.

So - gazing around at everything which we know ...

there're shapes - just like the one above - with layers - like a Russian doll - the number of layers - representing the extent of evolution.

The shape change results from a fundamental switch which is occurring -
(image)
think a magnet which is suspended within an electric field - and which switches up to down, and then down to up - as the field switches polarity.

Imagine a
[[[north pole field here]]] and a [[[south pole field here]]]

[[[N]]] n-s [[[S]]]

repulsion flings n -> s and s -> n
and thereafter an oscillation - kinda' like Newton's eternal jiggling balls in a World without air and friction -
badoink boink
badoink boink
badoink boink

... for ever.

So - imagine this going on - all the while ...
we're then going to need to put that energy to work.

Enter the ballbearings

A mechanism for shape shifting energy towards repositioning it within more complex form - whereby more complex form is identical to original form - except bigger and hence a bigger, better magnet - in effect

... a coalescence - whereby - should as this process occurs

- switching from a magnet to a cog -
noting:similar principle

... that the net effect'd be kinda' like the many cogs - becoming bigger cogs - towards reducing the number of individual smaller cogs - toeards regenerating a single large cog - which then turns

Two forces the black hole balanced against the circulating light
of course - a pattern which extrapolates down

... the black hole represents that colmplex,imaginary domain defined in maths as i (within chaos theory, fractals) -
versus 'reals'

... counterpart structures each necessitating the other.

+ and - perrhaps the real and complex domains.

And the pattern of real and complex eg
real cog 1
complex cog 1
real cog 2
complex cog 2
real cog 3
complex cog 3

or

magnet 1 N
magnet 1 S
magnet 2 N
magnet 2 S
magnet 3 N
magnet 3 S
...
magnet 4{insert figure} N

back throught to the start ->
magnet 1 N

-*-

magnet 4{insert figure} N
NEXT TO
magnet 1 N
->
a wave of motion
the cogs turning
from start to finish (again)

*noting* - no energetic loss from this system.

SB_UK
05-08-07, 01:45 AM
Enter the ballbearings

If we're powered by an underlying shift -
described by a 13 dimesional transition

... what if we were to perform a 13 dimensional correction on our Universal view?

We are studying a process whilst we, ourselves are performing the 13 dimensional switch - imagine - that Earthman and everything that Earthman knows - is in effect switching from standing - to being upside down -
with the same reassuring repetitive nature to cf's image above

... but sure
perspective afforded prevents us from divining this pattern of motion

... one wonders though -
to which extent -
corrrecting our world view
(taking off our blue tinted glasses - ensuring that we're not studying the blue Universe)
might unify physics - but more so - that which matters

...actually matters - to a serendipitous creation of evolution
... continued ascendancy and happiness - reducing resistance - so we can go with the flow - an end to animal behaviour - death to legacy world ...

some would say as superman is to man ...
at last man - behaving - as man should.

qinkin
05-08-07, 05:32 PM
a funny thing is this:
no matter what, there are glasses on. . . .

wanting persons to think differently, no matters, apparently. (Bible)

ok, so, basiclaly this is a hoobabaluuu=reality

ADHD are actors, acting roles

(super sharp shooters-shooting shots) =a super drumandbass song, mahaha.

and forever more, peacd~

hey there is no such thing as "self" . . . .

"self" means "other" which is bad, be finishing w/"self", and lose "other" as well.

same goes for many things.

read this until this makes sense, please.

SB_UK
05-08-07, 05:34 PM
Enter the ballbearingsequel to

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/images/movie/large/Enter_The_Dragon.jpg

honest

:-)

SB_UK
05-09-07, 02:23 PM
love and affection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1fFANGDGAw&mode=related&search=)
Armatrading (koan)
:-)

Now if I can feel the sun
In my eyes
And the rain on my face
Why can't I
Feel love

qinkin
05-09-07, 02:26 PM
love is a feeling, which does not answer to hate, nor force,

some-persons do not need love.

and are satisfying w/that.

in a very depressing (naturally) way.

qinkin
05-09-07, 02:30 PM
sausage balloons , myab e love for somepersons.

no matters! lol, but keep in mind tha t love
is false,

and is an illusion, along w/ rest of life,
and all in life
no memories,
sorry

qinkin
05-09-07, 02:34 PM
that is nature of Wonderland,
and

maybe reality is personality, to a great extent.

personality is like nothing,
yet not entirely,
maybe interesting,
but still nothing really.

like holding on-to a hole.
is life, in so-calling this- life.

SB_UK
05-09-07, 03:01 PM
in a world of duals.

we are
but we are defined by that which we are not.
hard or soft
good or evil
real or imaginary

- we cannot escape
... but we want to escape?

we want to be happy

sometime back we mistook the perverse librarian
as guru
leading us out of temptation into temptation

hard - we cannot delegate or mistake our desires
- for the similarly
tasting desires - upon which we build.

We can know more than that which we now know,
we know,
you know?
'cept - we *don't* know this now
- ain't precedent a slippery customer.

Built atop of a mental addiction - the legacy drugs which mimic,
the not quite so legacy drugs which mimic (also)

mimic the line of opposites - which -
sum of our yesterdays
+ -
{+/-} when nothing, net zero is seen as more that just plain nothing.


to today.

Love and Hate emerge to yield freedom from either - structural complexity finding a way that's likely to work
- we roll over
- to the other side of the bed
- and wake up in a more wonderful
~Wonderland~

And that's the way it shall continue - always RRReal
... ... ... a myriad possible RRRealities based upon chain of emergence.

SB_UK
05-09-07, 03:45 PM
... ... ... a myriad possible RRRealities based upon chain of emergence.


... ... ... a myriad possible RRRealities based upon chain of emergence.

... ... ... a myriad possible rRrRrRealities based upon chain of emergence.

... ... ... a myriad possible {{{rRrRrR}}}ealities based upon chain of emergence.

... ... ... a myriad possible realities based upon chain of emergence.

The Universal Theory of reality of all things ... and not just those with a mind to look ....
... ... ... a myriad possible realities based upon contextual chain of emergence.
environmentally permissive
directionality
energetically favourable

The Universal Theory of reality
through eyes of emergent form at new emergent characteristic
~perspective~

:-{{{1}}}-:
:-{{ {{{2}}} }}-:
:-{{ {{ {{{3}}} }} }}-:

through eyes of :-)1(fundamental) or 2(intermediate forms) or 3(us)

We are delivered by fundamental motivation - retaining the drives of intermediate forms - though are afforded the view through (3) - the eyes
- of the highest layer of abstraction
... our own eyes

So - what do u C?

lars
05-09-07, 03:58 PM
Enter the ballbearings
I agree, it's all ballbearings these days. ;)

http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/fletch/bearings.wav


AIGF

1cricket
05-09-07, 03:59 PM
Great Links!

Thanks for sharing

SB_UK
05-11-07, 01:15 AM
kinetic energy -> potential energy
mass as energy
... the emergent structure as a single continuous recursive structure
- comprising two halves
- eversions of one another
- one in the real and the other in the complex domain.

{}{}
which folds in upon it self
{{}}

the structure is recursive
{{{{{{}}}}}}

Einstein's celebrated equation links Energy, mass and the speed of light ^2

::E:: generally only view kinetic energy when it isn't balanced (more to follow)
:: m:: mass is potential energy; it is a balanced net zero structure - it is an
emergent structure - mass arises with two components merge - two equal and opposite components merge.
::c:: the speed of *light* - light light ... what could be the everted opposite form of light light - rendering it (light) - to adopt new characteristics ...
light light not so bright.
::^2:: the connection between the two opposite, everted halves - is viewed as an asymptote - on both sides - the left and right (real and complex) - appearing to tend towards infinity on both sides (the two perspectives) - splitting the two sides - releasing the potential energy into the environment -> kinetic energy
... however, the asymptote entails that the energy released will not be -
c + c but c^2
[naturally c is a raw measure of energy - the faster - the same 'thing' goes - the more kinetically energetically driven)

... there's no such thing as a free particle
light -> mass in emergence
emergence requires two everted (opposite) forms -
a kinda' 'real' and 'imaginary' -> yielding -> net zero.

Though - so much more than net zero - nothing is very much something.
Efficient packing of the very definition of 'something' with its 'counterpart'.
Apparent 'nothing' as true very much so - 'something'.

The characterization of potential energy as 'not in motion' -> is incorrect ...
it is in motion - a particular structural form - which repeats throughout 'reality' - in motion - just masked motion (more to follow)

The image, then of alternating
- dark and light layers
- stabile stacked
- one on top of the other

- this shape - a single continuous thread ...
{{{{{{}}}}}}

... representing alternating
- real and complex layers
- each moving in opposition to the other
- the overall effect
- is the apparence of net zero energy

- in the image below - of

<-(light)
->(dark)
<-(light)

E = mc^2
gains immediate intuitive understanding under the above
- and the simple image below
- drawn from nature
- drawn from UC Riverside
- drawn from NASA
- drawn of Jupiter

{{{{{{}}}}}}
->-
alternating layers moving in point:counterpoint

... from http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/
NASA's New Horizons web site describing the progress of
'to boldly go'

without ->-

http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/gallery/missionPhotos/images/HighRes/020707_6maps.gif

where 'within' and 'without' merge - the same architecture, underlying pattern of organization -
... of course,
*all* creations of a fundamental natural process.

geometry
logic
choice
... all factored in

to boldly go 'within and without' - concomitantly

Ah!!!


'Candide'
... mais il faut cultiver notre jardin
fruits realised when our garden reveals the same secrets as the garden (of your choosing)
- the garden of space - (not the final frontier)
- revealing - what lies - in our garden

... our mind ... cultivate one's mind ...

... one's mind ... a structure like the structure of Jupiter
- Universal patterns of emergent energetic evolution generating shapes of defined form
- energy stored by transition through structures of

3
4 and
13 dimensional form -
final form the butterfly - with 'real' and 'imaginary' parts
- the link between the two
- the asymptote -

linking the two domains - a seeming transition to infinity -
'no'
- to the other realm -
:-)

(spooky!)

... the other realm ... the everted form or dual
- a true opposite.
Pulled inside out.

woman, anybody ?
qk - (put that look down) :-)

tams (can we moderate qk ?)
:-)

The 'black hole' defined topology through the centre of the butterfly - housing the connection between the two halves of the symplectic butterfly - the mystery housed in this connection between 'realms'.

The black hole and outer structure - as energetically balanced -
- the torus and reverse torus - the doughnut - with the sausage which makes its hole - whole - it, the torus - a sphere whole - through unity with its inner sausage.

Ahem!

ok ...

... but of importance to man - characterization of structural form - of mind.
Mind as emergent structure.
Mind developed by the same process which delivers 'the rest'

And in the process - the evolutionary psychology of man folds - and we define why man behaves like animal - through mistaken understanding - of what it is to be man - despite chappies like Buddha, JC and Mohammed - helping us out along the way ...
... not to mention the lyrical prosaicists - who dared to characterize the part of reality - which science choosed to shun ... Lennon springs into the limelight

boing !

... but we can't prove it! - but you can't prove it!
Look closely - and proof (as probabilistic) has commuted into a poor belief system - when wielded as weapon
- *it* prevented these ideas - current parochial science in the turn (that is)

As it happens ...
... radical, left of centre
- the truth.

Proof through improbable statistics upon shaky double blinded experimentalist's divinity for truth

-> returns to the only true science
-the model
-hypothesis driven

hypothesis generating is unconstrained.

... logical induction, deduction using a model.

... and an end to the silliness - a surefire consequence.

About time too, one thinks.

SB_UK
05-11-07, 01:17 AM
~ Life, the Universe and everything ~

SB_UK
05-11-07, 02:02 AM
...The tale of man...
of experiencing death and rebirth (in particular) during this life readings from 'The Tibetan book of the dead' at 'F. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake)innegan's w. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake)ake'superman that would be man ... not man that would be ape'just as 'F. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake)innegan's w. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake)ake' is a vast 'comedy' that seeks to indict and simultaneously redeem human history'
[wikiP F (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake)innegans w.ake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake)]

SB_UK
05-11-07, 02:39 AM
eversion
- 3d opposite form

not 2d

form in opposition

... only a 3-dimensional dual of opposites - will work in 3d space.

eversion - the basis behind the complex form - and of course ...

(x{0},y{0},z{0})
x y z axes ... shape
->- everted->-
(ix{0},iy{0},iz{0})
ix iy iz axes into the complex domain

i^2 == -1

... the very definition of the same 3d shape in 'real' and 'imaginary' complex - form - in three dimensions.

formax
05-12-07, 02:24 PM
Doesn't the act of defining something implies the subject is forced into a state?
It's all about the probability baby!

SB_UK
05-12-07, 02:34 PM
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=412892&postcount=14

SB_UK
05-12-07, 02:34 PM
hee hee hee :-)

formax
05-12-07, 02:36 PM
God plays blackjack!

SB_UK
05-12-07, 02:41 PM
what's 'definition'?
what's 'state'?
what's 'something'?

wait a minute ... what am I?
who am I?
where am I?

only answers to the top half (appreciated) :-)


... would that be? ... the act of talking about something - makes that something into something ... that something doesn't exist until it can be communicated - that, that thing is then a
model in our mind

kinda' like a table suspended amongst our neurones :-)

And that 'that table suspended amongst our neurones'
has state and is probabilistic in nature

state - tangible? or non-tangible?
a table is a supposedly 'tangible'
an emotion is a supposedly 'intangible'
probabilistic - not an absolute but 'hazy' entity?

formax
05-12-07, 03:01 PM
definition = a meaning
state = a collapsed waveform
something = worth having a definition

Our definitions are almost always based on the state of something rather then on it's superposition.

formax
05-12-07, 03:42 PM
Hence something without a meaning is something unknown.
Will our knowing it exists change its state?

SB_UK
05-12-07, 05:47 PM
And (http://ec.europa.eu/research/rtdinfo/special_ms/01/article_2303_en.html) then there was light<!-- { TITRE --><!-- TITRE } -->

<!-- { INTRO -->300 000 years after the universe was created darkness reigned, the first rays of light burst through the shadows.

a quantum

hmmm...

{{{n}}}

{{{n+1}}} light ->

{{{n+2}}} mass

SB_UK
05-13-07, 01:44 AM
definition = a meaning
state = a collapsed waveform
something = worth having a definition
Our definitions are almost always based on the state of something rather then on it's superposition.
AND
Hence something without a meaning is something unknown.
Will our knowing it exists change its state?
{*}{'}
... if our eyes are * - our eyes may not be able to see '

assuming that we can track back - towards fundamental components of our Universe - ever-simplifying ...
many organisms - far fewer sub-atomic particles
... many more entities built on top of the number of different sub-atomic particles - than the number of sub-atomic particles.

Suggesting that the majesty of diversity arises by the rules of {permutation,combination}

simpler 'entities' ->can evolve through definite geometries -> more complex 'entities'

representing the generation of a more highly energetically containing post-evolutionary structure.

x ->- y where y has a larger energy content.
However -> the geometries of these transitions are fixed - so, for instance - imagine ... (not the correct shapes) - but evolution - representing the following transition - with energy sontent represented by size of font ...

3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 ->
3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 ->
3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 ->

or triangle -> square -> pentagon -> hexagon
with each line being of identical length - thereby ->

... 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 -> ... ... ...
represents an increase in energy content of 4 over 3, of 5 over 4, of 6 over 5
4>3
5>4
6>5
... and similarly
3 >> 6

Now imagine that any 6 - contains energy - by virtue of ...

silly image time :-)
Lots of little freakadeeks - responsible for switching the fundamental component from top ->- bottom, and then from bottom ->- top ...
or alternatively - imagine a 'sand' timer - with the sands of time flowing through the aperture between the two bulbs ... and just as the last grain is about to disappear down into a static state ... a 'freakadeek' turns the timer upside down.

-> this idea explains away the 13 dimensional eversion.
An emergent form as '6' - in which a defined geometric form is created - and which is a stable energetic structure - of defined geometry.

However - to continue evolution -
3->6 will recur
and does so - by 6 collapsing down to 1, and three 1(s) combining to provide us with a (new) 3 (factorially greater cf. energy with respect to its component parts ie 3 6's - final form geometric, efficient structures - at the end of theeir line of evolution - on their own lower abstraction layer -
where 'lower' is defined in terms of energy

So ... ... ...
hexagon +
hexagon +
hexagon +

triangle

-*-


definition = a meaning
state = a collapsed waveform
something = worth having a definition
Our definitions are almost always based on the state of something rather then on it's superposition.
AND
Hence something without a meaning is something unknown.
Will our knowing it exists change its state?
superposition
relates to the process (the freakadeeks turning the fundamental component upside down from eversion 1 to 2)
as immediate precursor to the process of
collapsed waveforms
... the final forms ( 6 ) on each layer - combining in an emergent evolutionary event to generate a structure
representing the initial form ( 3 ) above (on a higher (defined in terms of energy and not 'value-judgement') layer of abstraction)
... whereby initial form - is demarcated by its capacity to be in one of two forms (chimaerism) or alternatively
state
... directly analagous - wholly explanatory of - for instance the 2 spin states in quantum.
The real and complex layers here - as the emergent properties of
'hanging a left ... or right'
... nothing more - of spinning clockwise or anti-clockwise

-*-
'Superposition' and 'collapse' are essential to explain the generation of
a novel 'thing' on the 'higher' layer of abstraction - that 'thing' is important, though - because of its novel emergent property - and this emergent property is explained away using state
superposition
collapse
... are (yes) - important parts of process - which (though) -
yield the more important (from our perspective) - thing
... the property of that 'thing' which sets it apart from other 'things' of identical geometry
linking in to 3 4 5 6 (above)
or better
1->3 --->--- 4 --->--- 13(1')

with 4
representing the mind of man with capacity to encapsulate the 4th dimension
-> time
... the first book (documented history of man)

which turns out to have been documentation of an evolutionary event which may be described as
4 --->--- 13
on abstraction layer 'mind of man'
... this is important - since it explains away ADD as an evolutionary event as whoosh from
4->13->1' into a new species
Homo neosapiens
... since we're gonna' have to jump up to the next abstraction layer ... since we've totally aced the previous ... ... ...

-*-
And so - taking the image
of destruction -> creation -> journey to next 'destructive/creation ... ...
or

journey -> destruction/creation (goto journey)

journey -> hop onto a larger motorbike
->
journey -> hop onto a much larger motorbike
->
journey -> hop onto a very much larger motorbike
->
journey -> hop onto a really very much larger motorbike
->
journey -> hop onto a really very very much larger motorbike


(I could do this for ever ... ( :-) ) so'll stop with ->

http://einszu18.de/img_db/prod_1_1112903219.jpg

:-)


ain't she a beaut.

~ Homo neosapiens ~

SB_UK
05-13-07, 03:51 AM
Hence something without a meaning is something unknown.
Will our knowing it exists change its state?to {{{realise}}} those imaginary voices

quantum consciousness a\ la Bohm (pronounced bum)
:-)
and

whispers bubbling to the surface(pronounced Kay(plus the other one))

:-)

SB_UK
05-13-07, 04:03 AM
http://einszu18.de/img_db/prod_img2_1112903220.jpg

it's even got a couple of chrome eyes comin' outta' its butt

... surely not

Ah!!!

of course ...

evolution ...


*though* note that evolution would not be doing us any favours
- if we were to grow a second nose in that local environment

:eek:

I mean that'd be a totally stinka55ed idea
... unless evolution did clothes pegs too?

:-)
~s

formax
05-13-07, 04:33 AM
Shame on you SB_UK! You've just made me add 4 books to my neverending booklist :-)

Wholeness and the Implicate Order
On Creativity
Thought as a System
The undivided universe

And I realised I need to add Karl R. Popper's work to one of my next orders.

SB_UK
05-13-07, 08:35 AM
Popper is poptastic (just read his wikiP bio) ...
funny - because I can't remember the last time I thought about the LSE
(London School of Economics) - and then yesterday and today (thanks to you) -
up pops the LSE.
Apparently Eric Kandel is playing the LSE (for one night only) - this coming Thursday at 6pm :-)
'Kandelabra and the bright lights' shine on stage -
the reviews have already been written.

:-)

formax
05-13-07, 08:48 AM
Glad to be of any kind of help... really!

Just finding out I have ADD this week was a bit overwhelming. Lots of emotions, questions and answers in a short time span. Hense my overenthusiastic behavior I guess. Or could this be just me on rilatin? Not sure... time will tell. Anyway I'm glad to have found this Rosseta stone to decipher my thought process.

Thank you life, universe and everything!

formax
05-13-07, 11:42 AM
Lovely perspective!

"All our knowledge of the world is a model based on patterns."
-Jeff Hawkins, On Intelligence

SB_UK
05-13-07, 01:36 PM
:-) - I think he's correct ...

~btw~

... light
white matter (electrical wires)
== x

what if x and y had a reciprocal relationship?

y ==
substantia nigra (neuromelanin) - pigmented (energy)
dark ...

dark increases with age
-> ?wisdom? (consequence of coalescence of logical models into the metamodel web - evolution occurring during our lifetime - our life as a trip through evolution (from start to finish)
cool !!! )

darkdecreases with Parkinson's disease
-> dissociation of movement and thought
cf. Tammy - the importance of motion to our evolution

iron

iron in white ->- electron transport chain (ETC) in reciprocal relationship with the Na+/K+ pump ->- neurotransmission - a current -
Fe2+/3+ at the heart of the ETC

but also ... Fe2+/3+ at the heart of the iron pigment of neuromelanin

-Eversions- -?-
Fe2+ -> 3+
Fe3+ -> 2+

black body radiation -> quantum ->

Development of quantum theory:Quantum theory, the branch of physics which is based on quantization, began in 1900 when Max Planck published his theory explaining the emission spectrum of black bodies.emission spectrum.

excitation spectrum.
neuroexcitation
neurotransmission

balance between everted forms ->- emergence
{{{}}}{{{}}} -> (?)

SB_UK
05-13-07, 02:04 PM
... placing 'thought' as - an important process - though subservient to a greater good - evolution driving us to a mind to think - towards realising its overarching motivation - emergent energetic evolutionary advancement - within context of the line of events which preceded that emergent event - in that particular line - of - chain of emergence
~that is~
that evolution appears to have intelligence - because whatever works - works within context and with defined geometric progression ...
evolution's 'too-good-to-be-true' nature is intrinsic.

SB_UK
05-13-07, 02:15 PM
excitation drives emission
emission drives excitation

... of these 2 (light and dark) regions (white and nigra) regions of that sponge which con'fer's upon us - its dualistic sense of 'iron'y.

he eh hee hee eh? ahhh! :-)

<- silly

eh?

SB_UK
05-13-07, 02:17 PM
excitation drives emission
emission drives excitation

->-

to be imaged as a couple of cogs
one drives the other
and the other drives the one :-)

imagine - frictionless !

and we have
autonomy? of form.

SB_UK
05-13-07, 02:52 PM
'enforced moral consistency' ->- the price

try to lie - and a blank mind - can't concentrate
... actually - I think that our 'verging on the ridiculous' world
- or rather that collective rrreality from which we came - needs the ... ... ...
->- legacy rrreality man - needs to feel the constraint of biology
- the incapacity to think
- when misrepresenting the truth

... a small price to pay, I think
- considering the dangerous nature of subterfuge to the social group, best described here
- as the global village :-)

~ADDF~
... the *global* village

Since when has personal agenda ever helped the group.
Smell you never - dude !
... lied laid to rest

RIP (p -> purgatory)
within the black hole.

SB_UK
05-13-07, 03:38 PM
'drop the monkey
drop the pilot
drop the mahout'

'animal, mineral, physical, spiritual'
like errr...
sooooo ... ... ...
animal dude, mineral man, physical pops, spiritual
... son
like ... err ... Egbert Evolution sez 'I'm the one you need'
Joan Armatrading
'Drop the Pilot'

SB_UK
05-14-07, 03:28 PM
'enforced moral consistency'
August 2004 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=88597&highlight=moral+consistency#post88597)

[Stabile]
‘The use of these new logical structures necessarily results in a kind of enforced moral consistency, another point of severe contention with normals.’

SB_UK
05-15-07, 06:52 AM
geeze what's going on?

->- ->- ->-
koan Armatrading

->- ->- ->-
kō•an [wikiPedia_koan]
Korean: gong'an,
Japanese: kōan,
Chinese: gōng-àn

koan -> kungan -> from Korea, Japan and China.

->- ->- ->-
kōan/kung-an thus serves as a metaphor for principles of reality that go beyond the private opinion of one person.
A teacher's test also resembles the ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan

->- ->- ->-
!kung (http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/%7Eepsadm03/kung.html) population is located in isolated areas of Botswana, Angola, and Namibia.
They refer to themselves as the Zhun/twasi, "the real people,"
and are also referred to as the !kung San.

!kung San -> kungan -> from Botswana, Angola, and Namibia.

->- ->- ->-
The kurgan hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis
->- origins of the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) speaking peoples.
Proto-Indo-European (PIE) speaking peoples ->-

kurg an -> kungan -> from the PIE[-eaters*] (Indo-sub continental, European continental people)

* :-) I love flour.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
These are the 3 seats of mind.
Africa (man v I), northern aspect of India (Aryans) ... ... ... and the far East.

kungan -> from Botswana, Angola, and Namibia *[1]*.
kungan -> from Korea, Japan and China *[2]*
kungan -> from Indo-Europeans *[3]*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race#Race_as_subspecies
Scientific support for the Caucasoid*[2]*, Negroid*[1]*, Mongoloid*[3]* terminology of racial classification has diminished over the past century.
These terms originally denoted skull types and sprang from the technique known as craniofacial anthropometry, but these disciplines have been abandoned by the mainstream scientific community.
Today they have only two common uses.
They are used in forensic anthropology as an indicator of ethnicity of skeletal remains.
And they can be used as euphemisms for making racially based distinctions that are now regarded as being racist and scientifically baseless by mainstream science.

... Noting - I really really really am *not* a racist ...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
These are the 3 seats of wo/man mind kind.
Africa (man v I), northern aspect of India (Aryans) ... ... ... and the far East.

kungan -> from Botswana, Angola, and Namibia
kungan -> from Korea, Japan and China
kungan -> from Indo-Europeans

This is unbelievable!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A diamond does not form in only 1 geographical location.
... It forms following defined environmental conditions applied to a collection of less ordered (prior to emergence) -
molecules.
It occurs with comforting regularity - a stable instantiation of the Universal rule of emergent energetic evolution.

In much the same way, one might make the statement that ...

[Stabile]
... remove all viruses from our planet - and they would reappear - re-instantiated - in effect by the same pathway from
which they emerged.
(man! you guys are good!)
[end paraphrased quote]

An inevitable consequence of the rule (3,4,13) and the environment on our planet - for the most part stable
- by that ... the raw materials which are required and environmental context for
... self-assembly of viruses

... they'd reappear - because there's a line of them down the slope of the hill
- remove one half of them (from the hill) (inflection to stationary point at the trough) - and the other half (peak stationary to
inflection point, which're halfway down - will roll down (fully) - *perfect* replacement of their now ( :-) ) non-Earth found predecessors.
... and of course - the new comers to the trough - will have their previous location taken - by others - just-a-likey them ... looky-a-likey
... likey-a-likey
... we'd be hard pushed to tell the difference ... ... ...

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These are the 3 seats of wo/man mind kind.
Africa (man v I), northern aspect of India (Aryans) ... ... ... and the far East.

kungan -> from Botswana, Angola, and Namibia
kungan -> from Korea, Japan and China
kungan -> from Indo-Europeans

... unbelievable
(but true) ! ... :-) ...
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Aeroplane Flies High
Smashing Pumpkins
'Always knew - I couldn't say'

SB_UK
05-15-07, 07:57 AM
-<-steppes-<-
black holes ... energy channels ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppe

The vast Eurasian steppe
... plain without trees
... an energetic channel ~?~

linking the planet's energetic flows - in with man's evolution of mind.

->- the great steppe
from PIE to Manchuria ...

(linking a coupla' kungans)

kinda' Mancunion pies ...
:-)

one sees ...

((()))---((()))


energy in -> out
flow
ball bearings

... and cf's image ... the 'ADDF cycling team' ... ... ...

so ... it's all 'bout the NRG tryin' to find its way home.

chill NRG ... (that's potential energy - doncha' know)
... kinetic energy on a treadmill ...

dude 'Petey potential' - as the hare (Kevin Kinetic) shot past ...
'you so goin' down' sez Kev.
However, Peter the tortoise - just kinda' smiled ... and in his best Yoda voice

(Kevin outta' the way by now)
(certainly outta' earshot)

... anyhow, in his softest tone - young Peter whispers ... Yodesquely ...
'losah!'

:-)

SB_UK
05-15-07, 09:45 AM
((()))----((()))
where

--((())) is pretty much ->


http://www.addforums.com/forums/image.php?u=17222&dateline=1178871412


~rotated~ 45 degrees anti-clockwise

phage

...thanks to Bozeman ->-
'phage display'(google#1 (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hopkins-arthritis.som.jhmi.edu%2Frheumatoid%2Ftnf.html&ei=RblJRuPyEYX4QZnZvIkC&usg=AFrqEzdf50ZEK8dfXY8qf5PIqlQ9O0AfOQ&sig2=_a4UWao5NHC6bFrQ6g9GoA))
... the phage displays a receptor - one wonders whether the receptor paves the way for

o-> <-o
communication

o -> cell
-> receptor 1
<- receptor 2 - everted form - complementary - dual -
a ligand, receptor interaction (when receptor goes

soluble ...

I wonder

I tell ya'

How'd you guys do this?

The talk of the town (Cambridge, particularly - this place is kinda'
big on antibodies)
- of course
anti-TNF therapies using phage display
noting:
that the TNF receptor has a soluble form
'soluble TNF receptor' (google #1 (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fentrez%2Fq uery.fcgi%3Fcmd%3DRetrieve%26db%3DPubMed%26dopt%3D Citation%26list_uids%3D7890302&ei=0bhJRpmJHIjmQOn8yIkC&usg=AFrqEzfvZX14NqSJZfGebICRT0DBeECKRg&sig2=hOJ0_X3W9sLn8DuYSVlAOA))

... but if you guys knew how I got here from there - where there
is the gym ...

oh !
lordy ... you'd have a 'dizzy' fit ...:faint:...:confused:...:faint:...

SB_UK
05-15-07, 09:53 AM
---duals---

receptor biology

{{{receptor 1}}}{{{receptor -1}}}
{{{receptor 1}}}{{{soluble receptor -1}}}
{{{receptor 1}}}{{{ligand -1}}}
... complementary binding

enzymatic reactions

-lock and key
{{{active site of E 1}}}{{{substrate recognition site S1}}}
... complementary binding

-*-
'the sound of frogs in clear water'

verbal-aural imagination
ie * in the emergent
{}{*}
real complex (and, by now - familiar ... shape)

(I'd hope)

:-)

SB_UK
05-15-07, 09:59 AM
man ...

*dump*

~underway~

(brain)

?maybe !!!

parp <<<<<<< :eek:

SB_UK
05-15-07, 10:27 AM
it gets dark, it gets lonely,
on the other side of you ... ... ...

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/darkwater.jpg

~wuthering heights
Katherine Bush.

post #
3
3
13

formax
05-15-07, 04:29 PM
And a butterfly-like entity entered the room....


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Lorenz_attractor_yb.svg/600px-Lorenz_attractor_yb.svg.png

A plot of the Lorenz attractor for values r = 28, σ = 10, b = 8/3

SB_UK
05-15-07, 05:09 PM
I hear ya' - ooo (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=347049&postcount=100) yeah! baby ...
:-)

SB_UK
05-15-07, 05:24 PM
hey!
... yours flaps when it's scrolled up 'n' down real fast.

not

fair

:-)

formax
05-15-07, 05:36 PM
I had an epileptic attack by scrolling to much up an down :faint: I think I saw it flap just before I hit the ground :D

Hehe

SB_UK
05-15-07, 05:43 PM
... I hit the groundboink !

kungan
kurgan
koan
koran

post # 80-90 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=381603&postcount=88) -> this thread

600 BC.....Buddha
0..............Jesus
600 AD....Mohammed

... I hit the groundme 2
badoink !

SB_UK
05-16-07, 05:29 AM
Although the ADD mind is noteworthy for its capacity for 'top-down' thinking,
it would be incorrect to believe that the ADD mind is not as capable as its
predecessor in 'bottom-up' thought
~paraphrased~ from ::ADDF::'metamind thread'
bottom-up 'molecular
top-down 'systems' eg systems biology, philosophy, analysis, theory, anthropology
... 'systems {insert no word}' sits on the metalevel above 'systems {insert a word}'
- the generalized pattern of all that occurs below
... mind, for instance - but heck ! ... more
:-)
also.

...ps...
~ thanks for the education ~
who'd have thought?

:-)
*flu virus (Johnnn (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=413739&postcount=32)y) ->- encephalitis (kvrrd) takin' in mimi (E-boy)
geeze - I'll be here forever
... listing the rabbit trail authors ...

so be it
amen?

pps - animal migrations based around patterns of change on the planet - themselves defined by patterns in the star
... I look into my crystal ball ... and ooo - isn't that something?
who'd have thought?
wow!

and the future is ...

{{{all there}}}

hee hee hee

burp!

SB_UK
05-16-07, 05:35 AM
... and the future is ...
{{{all there}}}
'If one knew where one were goin'
- wouldn't one assume one already
->- there -<-
to be ...?...'

Aeroplane flies high
Smashing Pumpkins

... where the future is ... ... ...

... there}}}

Crazy~Feet
05-16-07, 05:36 AM
Hey I know where my towel is...;)

SB_UK
05-16-07, 07:00 AM
... just leaving the notion of

rrr logical (internal) model - internal reality
(more real than we had thought)

~as eversion of~

RRR logical (also) - notional external reality
(less real than we (or maybe? ->me) had (previously) thought)

rrr needs RRR
RRR needs rrr

rrr -> think
reality incorporates (rrr)n and (RRR)n forms
->- eversions

energetic duals ...
logical ->- virtual.
There's no such thing as a 'hard thing' - all - built upon the same foundations ...

notional hard (still logical)
duals
notional not hard (logical too - the eversion as perfect representation)

... that they appear to be so different - is just plain built into the model.
That the logical model appears so 'elusive'
... built into the model

... no one without the other (from Universal Theory) ...
the logical model must and does exist - once we see that - there's plenty more - which we then, understand.

The next stage
---------------

An exploration of logic.

Geeze - can't wait to tell Tom and Kay ...
... like ... they'll totally not believe it ... ... ...

huh?

wotcha' mean?
... no way! ...

... they have not been repeating this over and over
... and over ...?...