Edward Hallowell's book, Delivered from Distraction (http://www.amazon.com/Delivered-Distraction-Getting-Attention-Disorder/dp/0345442318/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-6576952-6811644?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192892219&sr=1-1) has two chapters on "SPIN" and "SLIDE" that have been so important to me I have pinned them on the wall where I can see them each day and think about them. I do, as the author points out, get stuck, over and over, going nowhere.. this being the inevitable trait of the ADD mind set that will happen even if you have had years of therapy and drugs.

For those of you have read the book I thought it might help to remind you of Spin and Slide. For those of you haven't read the book, you would be well advised to get it and read it as it opens your eyes to everything.

SPIN


S stands for Shame
P stands for Pessimism and negativity
I stands for Isolation

N stands for No creative, productive outlet
(I agree, that one wasn't very well done)


SLIDE


S stands for Self-attack
L stands for Life-attack

I stands for Imagining the worst

D stands for Dread

E stands for Escape

can you tell me a little bit more about this? is this having shame/self attack about being ADD? OR shame/self attack just on yourself? It sounds interesting.

Hi, Kimmy:
It would be sort of hard to cover everything with out typing it all in from the book, but basically, these are all things that go along with having ADD, though you may not experience all of them. ie: I had the Shame problem before I found out I have ADD, which was a revelation for me. The Self-attack is something I continually deal with as I am overly critiacl of my art work. I can paint one day and be on a real high, thinking it is a break through, and the next day look at my work and think, this is cr*p, sort of thing. But just by realizing that this is a common trait of having ADD it helps me to deal with it better.. I've taken the authors suggestion and written down what the positive points are of my work when I'm feeling good so that I can look back over them when I feel down.

Really best to get the book and read it, or read the parts that interest you. You can find copies at any book store where you can look through it, or buy it used on line, like at Amazon (click here) (http://www.amazon.com/Delivered-Distraction-Getting-Attention-Disorder/dp/0345442318/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-6576952-6811644?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193069163&sr=8-1)for only a few dollars.

Best,

thank ya :)

The Self-attack is something I continually deal with as I am overly critiacl of my art work. I can paint one day and be on a real high, thinking it is a break through, and the next day look at my work and think, this is cr*p, sort of thing. But just by realizing that this is a common trait of having ADD it helps me to deal with it better.

I agree I do this too especially with things I make or try to write.

I have learned that there are times when I just can't do any thing to my own satisfaction. I have learned to stop before destroying some thing I have spent some times hours making.

There are different reasons for this the most common one is expecting perfection - which can't be obtained simply because it does not exist on a global scale.

Perfection is the illusion of an imperfect mind under the delusion that such a thing as perfect exist.

Other times I am angry at myself for unresolved issues I have forgotten to deal with. It is learning to ask my self why and not being afraid of the answers. Becoming dissatisfied with myself about am unresolved issue is my ADD brains way of reminding me it needs to be done while providing me with the motivation I need to do it.

When it comes to things I make I have to keep reminding myself


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I agree I do this too especially with things I make or try to write.

I have learned that there are times when I just can't do any thing to my own satisfaction. I have learned to stop before destroying some thing I have spent some times hours making.

There are different reasons for this the most common one is expecting perfection - which can't be obtained simply because it does not exist on a global scale.

Perfection is the illusion of an imperfect mind under the delusion that such a thing as perfect exist.

Other times I am angry at myself for unresolved issues I have forgotten to deal with. It is learning to ask my self why and not being afraid of the answers. Becoming dissatisfied with myself about am unresolved issue is my ADD brains way of reminding me it needs to be done while providing me with the motivation I need to do it.

When it comes to things I make I have to keep reminding myself


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For some reason they have imaging disabled in this section of the forumsI like it, "Art is not about Perfection, it's about Inspiration"

It was my signature for a long time. I write most of my signatures, in that they are original thoughts. All the graphics are original creations "made from scratch" so to speak.

I can't paint worth a poop but I play around with other things.

What an awesome book! I have read it so many times and learn something new each time I read it. I too get caught in the spin and slide but an trying to get out of it!

S stands for Self-attack

L stands for Life-attack

I stands for Imagining the worst

D stands for Dread

E stands for Escape


For me some times these can happen so fast I do not even know it is happening until I want to run away, or I get hyperfocused in my own world without really knowing why.

Although I can hyperfocus productively, I have some pretty extensive studies for bouts of hyper focusing this (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=151820488&blogID=310680723&Mytoken=740D9506-54A9-4D8F-BFDE3D7F6391D6FA62609777) is such an example. It took me five hours to research and three more to edit down to a concise size and include all the hyperlinks. I have dyslexia so writing computer codes are especially difficult because they are not dyslexic friendly.

These can be useful because they do provide useful information i have a bunch or resources in one place but I can get so into thing I neglect eating and sleeping which isn't good. When I begin to take this stuff out of balance for no reason {novel, new, change is a hyperfocus magnet} then there is a chance I am escaping.

I know it is strange to express a negative emotion like sliding in this form perhaps because I was reared by a very logical practical mother who always encouraged to make use of every possible resource including but not limited to negative emotions - there is energy in them their emotions okay for me there is.

For me some times these can happen so fast I do not even know it is happening until I want to run away, or I get hyperfocused in my own world without really knowing why.

Although I can hyperfocus productively, I have some pretty extensive studies for bouts of hyper focusing this (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=151820488&blogID=310680723&Mytoken=740D9506-54A9-4D8F-BFDE3D7F6391D6FA62609777) is such an example. It took me five hours to research and three more to edit down to a concise size and include all the hyperlinks. I have dyslexia so writing computer codes are especially difficult because they are not dyslexic friendly.

These can be useful because they do provide useful information i have a bunch or resources in one place but I can get so into thing I neglect eating and sleeping which isn't good. When I begin to take this stuff out of balance for no reason {novel, new, change is a hyperfocus magnet} then there is a chance I am escaping.

I know it is strange to express a negative emotion like sliding in this form perhaps because I was reared by a very logical practical mother who always encouraged to make use of every possible resource including but not limited to negative emotions - there is energy in them their emotions okay for me there is.That's why the "I" in SPIN is so important.. "I" stands for isolation and Dr Hallowell stresses the importance of having some one to contact and keep you on track.
SPIN and SLIDE.. This isn't negative talk, this is information to keep you positive by realizing what to expect and how to handle it. I have the same problems as you, it often happens so fast that it catches me off guard, but, just having the knowledge helps me to cope better with it and concentrate on looking at the positive side of things. Gradually, we get stronger and better at handling things, but we will always probley have these problems.

Best,

Both. Big time.

Maybe I'm just slow, but by SPIN and SLIDE, do you mean that in reaction to a 'block' kind of thing, these are the two paths so to speak that a person can fall in to?
Its interesting because SPINSLIDE cover eerily-accurately how I feel right now....well, past few weeks or so.

Sorry for not quite getting it,
Ab.

Both. Big time.

Maybe I'm just slow, but by SPIN and SLIDE, do you mean that in reaction to a 'block' kind of thing, these are the two paths so to speak that a person can fall in to?
Its interesting because SPINSLIDE cover eerily-accurately how I feel right now....well, past few weeks or so.

Sorry for not quite getting it,
Ab.Hi AB:

Yes, they are common problems for the ADD person to fall into, whether on medications or getting help, even after years of therapy. See my first post here. I would suggest you get the book, Delivered from Distraction. Its the most useful book I have read so far and explains the SPIN SLIDE problem clearly in two short and easy to understand chapters.
You can find it new on line, places like Amazon.com, or used for a few dollars, or go to your local book store.

By "stuck", do you mean perseveration <sp>? Like an inability to change course?

e.g. persisting at a doomed task/goal/"flight plan" is locked on/etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseveration

IIRC, Dr. Daniel Amen talks about this, IIRC.

It can be a problem in the "ISIS"

of [i]Attention. (e.g. THE "shifting" component.)</sp>

By "stuck", do you mean perseveration <sp>? Like an inability to change course?

e.g. persisting at a doomed task/goal/"flight plan" is locked on/etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseveration

IIRC, Dr. Daniel Amen talks about this, IIRC.

It can be a problem in the "ISIS"

of [i]Attention. (e.g. THE "shifting" component.)</sp>"stuck".. no, just a word I used to express Halloway's outlook on the SPIN and SLIDE problem that ADD people face. No underlying meaning to it and I'm not familiar with the ISIS subject you mentioned. It has more to do with ADD traits that we all seem to share in common, like ups and downs in ability, etc.

Perseveration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseveration) is a lot like sticking with a subject or issue until there is a resolute answer to the topic at hand. It is not someone looking for a specific answer to a question, subject or issue but more looking to make sure that all possibilities of the matter have been addressed and that the end result solves the issue in such a manner that there are no longer any un-addressed areas.


Sounds like my debating technique :p- I have to limit myself in length :o


[ISIS ='initiating/shifting/inhibiting/sustaining' sub-components] of Attention.

I believe this is to be addressing the ADD lack of ability to consciously control the direction of focus and length of attention span.

Like when the brain acts like it has a mind if it's own.

I know mine does. My brain remembers what it wants, files it where ever, and auto deletes the rest and doesn't even provide one of those pop up boxes asking permission first- it will wander off else where even in mid-sentence.