Well I remember reading that it is estimated that up to 40% of gifted people have a PDD, ADHD or an LD, even though they are less often diagnosed because they can use their intellectual abilities to hide the bad stuff about their conditions (especially inattentive ADHD). I just thought it would be interesting to see how many of us are gifted?

Just one last thing, yes, I know all people are gifted in some way but by gifted I mean were blessed with a higher intelligence.

I think giftness comes from ADHD, when the good symptoms out weigh the bad ones.

I know many famous actors, writers, artists and inventers who have a PDD, ADHD or an LD.

This is because they are able to use there great creative skills as an advantage

My gift is being able to think up great creative storys in my head...... but if only I was productive enough to sit down and actually right one up. :(

Lots of famous actors, writers etc. might be ADD but I don't think most ADDers use their giftedness to their advantage unfortunately :( including me

because they can use their intellectual abilities to hide the bad stuff about their conditions(especially inattentive ADHD).

Please clarify the above sentence. It could be my dyslexia but it seems to read like there is some mistaken belief that only inattentive ADDers have enough intelligence to compensate for the bad stuff.

I am sure it is a misread on my behalf but just the same I would perfer to understand what you are trying to say.

{ a freebie clue - 60% of all ADDers are combined ADD which would indicate a majority of the ADDF members are probably ADD-combined}

Giftedness in my opinion is being capable of applying an ability at a time when it is useful via increasing your ability to function.

My useful gift at this moment is giving people the benefit of a doubt - by realizing my own limitations and tendencies for misreading things.

btw you give no criteria for the term giftedness. Are you measuring IQs? How long one was able to conceal their ADD before being diagnosed? . How well one was able to function before being diagnosed or weather or not one feels gifted?

Giftedness- IQs, not necessarily, but more the purpose of an IQ. You know how when you get to know someone you just KNOW they are smart? They aren't necessarily better than the next person, but they are smarter? That's what I mean by giftedness. This can be shown through general ability or something specific but intellectual.

" because they can use their intellectual abilities to hide the bad stuff about their conditions(especially inattentive ADHD)."
by that I simply meant it is harder to diagnose gifted people with inattentive ADHD because they know how to hide it. Like they may not pay attention in class but they will answer the teacher's question correctly, anyway, because they already knew. Or instead of excluding themselves and daydreaming, they pretend they are participating when really they are just daydreaming. An example would be instead of staring out of the window, they put their head down, looking at the paper when really they aren't paying attention anyway.

I am not going to vote, but I believe that many of us have the 'gift' (and I don't like that word because it sounds like another way the ego tries to make itself better) first and then get messed up as we try to deal with a very rigid world. Most of our parents, friends, etc. don't know any better so as we get older the rigidity (is that a world) increases, but our ability to deal with it properly decreases.

I alos believe that in today's world, a lot of kids get conditioned for constant stimulation at an incredible rate. Eventually that can cause issues.

i honestly dont know if im gifted ay. im not like incredibly smart like a scientist or anything like that but im not dumb either.
how do u define gifted? some people are real good at sports, others singing, others its the books.
i gues we are all gifted in one way or another

i gues we are all gifted in one way or another
Yeah i agree with that!
If i am interested in something, whether it be something my bf said to me during an argument, or a lecture for uni (i put them on cds and listen to them in the car) i can remember it word for word for a very long time. I can still exactly remember things my biology teacher said to me 4 years ago.

It sounds pretty useful, lol.. but the key thing to note is that i have to be interested in whatever it is or it doesnt work. :faint:

hey im the same as u with remembering things that interest me. I like totally focus on it til i know everything. just want to know more and more ay.
same thing ay, it stinks cuz i cant decide what im interested in. i just am. are u the same?

The downfall to my being "gifted" is that I have very little common sense.

The downfall to my being "gifted" is that I have very little common sense.haha i know how you feel! i do some of the most stupid things. and they usually result in a car crash.. (going on 4 now :eek: )

And yes mb i'm exactly like that lol..
Uni is mostly alright cause chances are if i picked a subject i'll like it.
Its all relative though. If its a nice day, no matter how interesting the lecture is i'm still more interested in being out there! are you studying at the moment?

oh yeah that would make it better - picking your own subjects.
at the moment im workin at the local supermarket. I mucked around at school but im going to take a summer course to catch up so i can get in uni. Then, i want to double major in maori studies and either law or politics
what are u studying?

biomedical science/science. Its a weird double degree i know! lol
I'm going to double major in genetics and molecular biology in the science part and major in neuroscience in the biomed part. I love brains!

Where do you want to go with your course?

wow u must be brainy as. freaky haha in a good way tho. That will pay well.
I'm keen on becoming a member of parlaiment maybe or jus an assistent. Want to help my people somehow.

I think a big percentage of people whio are gifted have adhd... but the reverse is not true. I think the percentage of gifted ADHDers is about the same as for the general population.

Me :D

oo member of parliment! thats cool! do you have any new policies in mind?

I'm not that smart :P I was very lucky in highschool and had fantastic teachers and although biomed looks impressive its not that difficult. They baby us through it like we are at highschool because there arent many of us. i love it though, its such a good lifestyle.

im sure ur just being modest ay. ur probably smart as ;) What makes it a good lifestyle?

yeah have a few policies in mind, not making dole so easy to get, it just makes people lazy. Raise the age of alchohol and ciggies, check more for drugs..yeah i kno i sound like the grinch but its whiping my people out. Also somehow stop family abuse and violence. Create more peer groups for maori rangatahi (youth).

hehe i dont think you are a grinch! they all sound like great ideas.

Uni is a good lifestyle cause i get to sleep in, hang out in the sun, go to a couple of lectues, hang out with my friends some more, study a bit, and work occasionally. I'm only responsible to myself, most of the money i earn is either spent on petrol or whatever i want! lol.. If i'm tired i can not go to uni and listen to the lectures online or whatever.

i love it :)

flip...that sounds sweet! so its not all hard work and no play then. sounds prety cruisy. how much longer of study have u got?

like 6 years. hehe i wanna do honours and phd too. And it sounds cruisy but i happen to be in one of my up moods.. lol.. ask me before my next exam thursday and i'll probably tell you i'm going to quit and be a hairdresser or something :P

hahaha...thats alot of study. good on u! its good to have big dreams ay :)
hairdressing is cool but it doesnt beat studying brains. im pretty sure of that haha

I think many people with ADHD have great general knowledge in what they are interestsed in.

A guy at my work with ADHD can answer any question in the world about sport.

But cant even make macaroni cheese! :D

You're probably right, speedo. I think this is inaccurate because the only people who are voting are the ones who are gifted :\.

I don't think I am gifted but I always underestimate myself.

Common sense either isn't very common or may not make much sense.

(Perspective S: But if it's prefixed with the word "Common", then doesn't that imply that it has to be common (or is frequently known or had). Assuming G contains S, and G represents some population of over 50%, G sets the standard, irrespective whether or not the standard makes sense.)
(Perspective L: "Common sense" is an indivisible phrase that implies a quality that is not common. L assumes L has "common sense", and because L is uncommon, and so is "common sense")

(Perspective P (~S): Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein)

that I simply meant it is harder to diagnose gifted people with inattentive ADHD because they know how to hide it.

Don't know much about hyperactive ADD?

Well I am hyperactive and I wasn't diagnosed until I was 29 and had already been in my first profession for over a decade. I was passing narcotics and charging units before I was legally able to buy beer.

As far as IQ goes I qualify according to the numbers despite my dyslexia.

I didn't vote btw - I am not inattentive.



Common sense either isn't very common or may not make much sense.

My grandpa used to say there was nothing common about common sense.


Examples of how uncommon are every where. . . .

(Perspective P (~S): Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein)
:-)

It's dead hard being Gift-ed ... ...


poisonous -- Gift-

poison [to] -- das Gift [für]


poison fang -- der Giftzahn
poisoned arrow -- der Giftpfeil
poisoner -- der Giftmischer
poisoner -- der Giftmörder
poisoning -- der Giftmord
poisoning -- die Vergiftung
poisonous -- giftig
poisonous matter -- der Giftstoff
poisonous mixture -- das Giftgemisch
poisonous plant -- die Giftpflanze
poisonous snake -- die Giftschlange
poisonous spine -- der Giftstachel
poisonous substances cabinet -- der Giftschrank
poisonousness -- die Giftigkeit
rat poison -- das Rattengift
mercurial poisoning -- die Quecksilbervergiftung
Salmonella poisoning -- die Salmonellenvergiftung
slice poisoning -- die Wurstvergiftung
smoke poisoning -- die Rauchvergiftung
meat poisoning -- die Fleischvergiftung

I like how you write, sb_uk. It is interesting. Short sentences and punctuation marks in odd places across the page. It is almost artistic.

Oh boy this is going to be a big one..... but here goes.

I absolutely hated high school, I couldn't stand it. It is not the not the type of environment that encourage creativity and learning. Yes you heard right. A place who's very mission is to encourage learning seems to do nothing of the sort. I have never been a "conformist" so to speak. And no that doesn't mean "conforming" by trying to fit into a "non-conformist" group. On the outside I'm a very private person, I don't conform to trends, I tend to avoid anything that might "brand" me into some type of group. That includes t-shirts with messages, logos, bumper stickers, etc. I don't define myself by what I own. At the risk of feeding my ego my IQ is very high as is my EQ, most people fall on either one side of these particular intelligence theories. The fact that I tend to command both with ease I consider a gift to some extent. I relate very well with others on an emotional and interpersonal level and people tend to naturally open up to to me. Yet I have very few close friends because I don't easily share my own views and beliefs due to the fact that they largely fall way out of the mainstream. Many find opening their mind and addressing certain issues very frighting. I try very hard to see the world as it is but I'm flexible to change when new information presents itself.

My mother is now a teacher, her superiors often talk about the importance instilling a "lifetime love of learning." I find this incredibly ironic because I never developed a lifetime love of learning until well out of the public school system. Now I tend to be an information junkie, I'm fascinated about the world around us and try to find commonalities between seemingly disparate ideas and topics. The problem is it's all entirely selective. I have to take on information by way of my own active interest and rarely that of others. I'm practically addicted to Wikipedia. People are often surprised or even shocked when they find out that I am not college educated. It also inadvertently works itself into everyday conversation. One of my employees called in sick the other day with food poisoning, they were in fact in the hospital. One of their peers being a smart *** mentioned that they were likely hung over from the night before. My response without thinking much of it was "That much ethanol would most likely have killed any food borne bacteria." This seemed to throw them off guard judging from the blank looks in their faces.... granted none of them are the sharpest tools in the shed. People often think that I have the capacity to learn nearly anything which would be incorrect, My ability to educate myself is purely selective and this is of little use anywhere other than my own internal fascination. It's difficult to get this point across to other people who just don't seem to understand.

My mother loves to recount a story about visiting all my teachers in high school. My grades being not so great at the time. Nearly every teacher had negative things to say however one of the last the teachers she saw sat her down and said "Your son is absolutely brilliant. He is miles ahead of anyone in this class....." Ironically I didn't have good grades in her class, not even close. I always liked this teacher however. I know she was very liberal and progressive but may have felt confined by the educational system. I also felt the statements were overstated but it does make for slight confidence boost.

I should also mention that I attribute some of this to my use of nootropics such as (mostly) piracetam for the last few years, since my early 20's. I don't know what it does for my ADD if anything, it's very subtle and requires long term use but being able to simultaneously engage both brain hemospheres is most interesting.... Not that I still don't need the adderall, I still need to function and relate to those in the "real world".

Make what you want of these antidotes but the last thing I want to do is come off as less than humble for my life is not exactly a glowing success story, in fact quite the opposite is true.

I think the biggest creative minds often have some mental "disorder". This would probably because they do not think like the rest of the "normal" population. Everyone that thinks like everyone else cannot be said to be genius cause nothing they do can be new or revolutionary. To be genius or gifted, you mearly need to do what others cant.... such as think out of the box. However you can be gifted in things that others can do, you just do it at a different level that others can not achieve.


wikipedia:
Intellectual giftedness is an intellectual ability significantly higher than average.

Gifted children often develop asynchronously; their minds are often ahead of their physical growth, and specific cognitive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive) and emotional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional) functions are often developed differently (or to differing extents) at different stages of development. One frequently cited example of asynchronicity in early cognitive development is Albert Einstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein), who did not speak until the age of two, but whose later fluency and accomplishments belied this initial delay. In regards to this fact, neuroscientist Steven Pinker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pinker) theorized that, rather than viewing Einstein's (and other famously gifted late-talking individuals) adult accomplishments as existing distinct from, or in spite of, his early language deficits, and rather than viewing Einstein's lingual delay itself as a "disorder", it may be that Einstein's genius and his delay in speaking were developmentally intrinsic to one another.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gifted#_note-0)


I dont know If I am gifted as I dont really know how to compare myself to others. I think differently than almost everyone I know, but have not yet shown any quality that excels me far above the rest. Not yet, I think.
Only my thoughts would make me gifted at this moment, but as I suck academically I would have to wait to get out of a linear-thinking structure before any "gifts" of mine would become apparent.

poisonous -- Gift-

poison [to] -- das Gift [für]


poison fang -- der Giftzahn
poisoned arrow -- der Giftpfeil
poisoner -- der Giftmischer
poisoner -- der Giftmörder
poisoning -- der Giftmord
poisoning -- die Vergiftung
poisonous -- giftig
poisonous matter -- der Giftstoff
poisonous mixture -- das Giftgemisch
poisonous plant -- die Giftpflanze
poisonous snake -- die Giftschlange
poisonous spine -- der Giftstachel
poisonous substances cabinet -- der Giftschrank
poisonousness -- die Giftigkeit
rat poison -- das Rattengift
mercurial poisoning -- die Quecksilbervergiftung
Salmonella poisoning -- die Salmonellenvergiftung
slice poisoning -- die Wurstvergiftung
smoke poisoning -- die Rauchvergiftung
meat poisoning -- die Fleischvergiftung

HAHAHA. . . you german SB_UK?

... ... nein, ich bin ein Jelly doughnut (mit Bratwurst)

(aber *zusammen* von Berlin)

ja baby ...

was ist das? -> ,

:-)

(set your punctuation marks ~free~
(set your punctuation marks ~~free~~
(set your punctuation marks ~~~free~~~

<- absence of 3 bracket(s)!

... yaaa!

HAHAHA. . .
Only got 95% of that, but I doubt your a Jelly doughnut with ?brat?wurst, sossage or in the great afrikaans lanuage worse.

Berlin nogglas!?

translate zusammen. ????

need to know.


We all know SB_UK is gifted.

uber slim een jy.

.. ... nein, ich bin ein Jelly doughnut (mit Bratwurst)

(aber *zusammen* von Berlin)

ja baby ...


Translation for those of the English speaking persuasion

{quote}

No, I am a jelly donut (with sausage)

(But * together * from Berlin)

Yes baby ...

What is this? ->,

{End Quote}


N'arrive pas à sortir de la traduction, peu importe de quelle couleur est mon nom d'utilisateur. Me rappelle de l'époque SB! Été un moment!

{Can't seem to get out of translations no matter what color my user name is. Reminds me of old times SB! Been a while}


Despite the language barrier I couldn't help but notice gifted means poisoning!




poison fang -- der Giftzahn
poisoned arrow -- der Giftpfeil
poisoner -- der Giftmischer
poisoner -- der Giftmörder
poisoning -- der Giftmord
poisoning -- die Vergiftung
poisonous -- giftig
poisonous matter -- der Giftstoff
poisonous mixture -- das Giftgemisch
poisonous plant -- die Giftpflanze
poisonous snake -- die Giftschlange
poisonous spine -- der Giftstachel
poisonous substances cabinet -- der Giftschrank
poisonousness -- die Giftigkeit
rat poison -- das Rattengift
mercurial poisoning -- die Quecksilbervergiftung
Salmonella poisoning -- die Salmonellenvergiftung
slice poisoning -- die Wurstvergiftung
smoke poisoning -- die Rauchvergiftung
meat poisoning -- die Fleischvergiftung


which btw was the point I believe unless I have lost my SBeanse touch.

Так как многие языки мы можем использовать выйти темы и заключается в том, что подарок. Я вижу, где оно могло бы быть.

and the topic was ?????

Scrolls to top

"Are you gifted"

When it comes to getting off topic? Apparently so :o

zusammen - - - together. . . umm, ok. My german needs some work.


Gif -->afrikaans<--- * ---> poison
Gift -->german<--- * ----> poison


no special gifts needed for me to figure that.

Gift - present

HAHA Preset from who?
DNA, Parents(DNA), God.

My name means Gift from God

I am truely gifted!

From God or way in which I was named from parents?

Ek moet werk en op hou kak praat.

:-)

aha!

gifted means of some natural ability.

It might be some physical or mental layer capacity - though gifted generally relates to mental layer

languages?
painting?
maths?

some sort of natural ability.

Why might somebody appear to be better than another in some mental layer characteristic?

For a start - give everybody a brain - and then array out all of the various things that an individual can do with it -
place them in an environment -
a baby with a piano in a house who begins to listen to the piano at age
-9 months
- another who grows up watching the computer screen of poppa' -
as poppa' taps away with baby in his arms.

Hard things are learned by osmosis.
Early learning -> head start - which is capitalised on.

Limited number of academic tasks which one may excel in -
are we going to be a linguist in 100 languages -

or a bit of everything?

3 or 4 languages,
algebra
and Doom.

muahahaha !
The pattern is set - the ADDer with a tendency to push forwards quicker - through dictat of mind (to build better mind quicker).

The academic discipline unimportant - since the discipline is merely a substrate to permit the individual to think satisfying abstract thoughts.

- aha! - gift as poison - solely because if it is seen as a gift in the
- 'I'm better than you sense'
- then it ceases to be a gift -
sure one is still 'gifted' -
- but the point of why one has developed the gift is lost.

Heya Tams.

gift from god.

hmmm ...

Are you called?

GifVanBiggishBeardyBloek

:-)


(or do I need a new translator ?)

:-)

Hard things are learned by osmosis.
Haha. . . yeah, but as childrens brains do the most growing at a young age this osmosistic learning slows the older you get.

Your brain can still develop skills as you get older, but slower.

We all get the same cards delt

-----------------------------> same "brain power" (more or less)

but where that brain power goes is different.

ADD - brain power goes everywhere, also the reason why we tend to be interested in everything all the time without break.

Autism - brain power goes into one thing, great skills in one thing, huge loss at all other skills.

"normal" folk also get to spread their "brain power", but not to extent that we "spread" our thoughts. we make more connections between more things more often. they make fewer, but spend more "brain power" on fewer things. they make great Tractor drivers.

Nou wat?



gift from god.

hmmm ...

Are you called?

GifVanBiggishBeardyBloek



hmmm. . . taken lightly as I presume intended.

hmmm. . . taken lightly as I presume intended.:-)

Gifford?

gif of ord(ieu) ord(ination) ord(ained) deign d(eus)

Translations
gift in Afrikaans is donasie

Evolution occurs from top to bottom of the following list ->

... they make great Tractor drivers.
-top-

hunter
gatherer
hunter
gatherer
{...}
hunter
gatherer (tractor owners)
hunter (logical wolves)

-bottom-

... ... ever seen a 'company of wolves' ?
(early 80's movie)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087075/plotsummary

... little red riding hood and wolves make increasingly frequent appearances on ADDF these days

:-)

um nah not realy ay.
i dropd out at 15. But i got a job, not a bum.
im prety good at rugby and bball. also can beatbox and rap prety good.

ever seen a 'company of wolves' ?
(early 80's movie)

never seen it. looks odd. think Ill like it. Bit before my time though, No CGI.


-top-

hunter
gatherer
hunter
gatherer
{...}
hunter
gatherer (tractor owners)
hunter (logical wolves)

-bottom-



I hate boring repetitave work cause of my AD/HD (not that others dont) I just cant handle more that 20 min of it.

Computers do repetitave work extreamly well.

Being ADHD could be the next step into merging into a more and more computer driven world, where non-linear thinkers will still be usefull and linear thinkers replaced by computers.

Factory workers - - replaced - - largely already, more so as robots and computers become more sophisticated.

All "out of box" thinkers are left.

Creative minds control a team of uncreative men and computers.

Hate computers.

who controls the creative minds.

The idiots on top of course!

Well I don't think Mensa will be beating a path to my door to join them or anything! *lol* Having said that, I always feel like I have the ability to see things differently than people around me. Frequently my friends will be analyzing someone's problem, and while several folks may offer their explanation I'll come up with someone totally different and usually is the right one.

When I was in school I was often complimented for my creativeness. So while I may not qualify 'techincally' as gifted, I like to think of myself as gifted.

-a-
Creative minds control a team of uncreative men and computers.
-b-
Hate computers.
-c-
who controls the creative minds?
The idiots on top of course!
-a-
creative is too important -
uncreative will cease to be -
How many of the line of Homo(s) - which lead to our current species - still exist -
we are one species - and will evolve together (over a generation or two - according to Stabile).

I still believe it's possible to make the transition more quickly -
education dependent -

getting education to those without -
- sure is a task -
though the switch'll at least be exponential -

- have you seen the team of corporations who're making the new wind up computer for the third world -
good stuff
:-)

-b-
Computers are tools -
- we all hate the idiocy of having to learn how to do the same thing multiple times over -
- I was programming well over 20 years ago -
it's so easy -
- the only difficulty is the silly number of different syntactic conventions for the same thing -

if you wanted to say hello to the chappie over there - imagine if you were told that you needed to learn the languages of the world in their entirety - before hand -

- that's how it feels like -
don't hate computers - hate the guys who obfuscate simplicity.

Ultimately - I'd like to run a plain text with thumbnail Internet - alongside the current Internet - so that we're not burdened by large downloads - when we want a paragraph's worth of text.

Presumably the mobile Internet will sort this out -
we're expected to pay per data download -

who wants to pay for video adverts?

My favourite site (in terms of its utility) - is wikiPedia
- it's great -
and I suspect the IT guys behind it knew that well organized text with hyperlinks - alongside thumbnails (small downloads) - are all that's necessary - for a functional site of universal utility to *teach*.

It really has been constructed intelligently.

-c-

The physical hierarchy melts under evolution from
physical -> logical hierarchy

the fact that you and msny of us here are enraged by the 'idiots on top' - and don't respect
'our leaders'

leaders -<- hahaha!

is surefire sign - that change is on its way.

Each time I hear anybody on tv - now - trying to claim to be the voice of (knowledge, reason)
- the fake sincere - slow -
'trust me' - 'I'm genuinely concerned about x,y,z'

- these days - all I here is the noise of gas quacking out of their rear power thrusters, when they open their mouths.

-*-

gifted - defined as
the kinetics of change ...

... from Stabile - the saying

'we live in interesting times'

interesting -
as in 'funny'
not haha!

It's the reason I've linked gifted into poison - it may prove advantageous (for our own mental health) - to be in the late rather than early changing set

- I have a very early changing relative (wife's side) - who alternates between suicide attempts and mental institutions -
she's off the scale ADD - and has read more than anyone I know.

She cannot though (like the raging ADDers here) - do anything mundane.

-*-

So is gifted bad?

Gifted in nonADD society leads to fame, wealth and fortune
- our kinda' gift reacts against the meaninglessnes of fame, wealth and fortune

meaning that our 'gift' has identical meaning to the 'giftedness' within nonADD society -
-though with opposite consequence

leading to NOT fame, NOT wealth, NOT fortune
- because those things're fatuous beyond belief - and are desperately sought by only the most pointless of people.

-*-

Why do the artisticaly gifted - die miserable mentally deranged deaths -

no Happy ever afters in the field of trend setters -

Van Gogh -
would never have settled for an ear pierced - and a small diamond encrusted stud placed within -
- he'd never have gazed into the mirror - at his new earring -
and mused at how attractive he is

nah!

lop it off - feel the pain of not realising that everything we know -
- is internal.

Another of my wife's relatives - a regular within mental institutions also (ADD also) -
is obsessed
- an outstanding artist within trompe l'oeil

- an art form which struggles with the nature of the divergence between internal and external realities.

-*-

So once again ...

'it's dead hard being gifted'

suggesting that ADD is an evolutionary step

-----
single celled organism
-->
homosapien - yes I believe half of them are one step away from single celled organisms.
-->
ADDer

could possible have ome truth behind as the "ADD gene" gets passed down from parents to children.

Does ADD make us gifted?

Depends on which society we live in.
In ADD world we are all "normal" and few of us would be gifted. In fact, a non-ADDer would come accross as gifted with their incredible ability to do mundane tasks. WOW

I do think that the up and comming talk about "AI's" (artifitial inteligence) will render those unable to compete against them pretty much useless. . like wealders in a car factory.

AI. . . assisting evolution to a better ADDer world?
HEHEHEHEHE

Many tasks that us ADDers dont like doing or struggle doing are already being replaced by computers. I said I hate computers, but I spend all day working on them, (and at one stage could also program a bit) and they do the things I hate, such as rendering for 5 hours, checking my spelling, being neat (neat takes time on a dwaring board) ext ext.

More mundane tasks would be able to be replaced by smarter computers in the future, checking your TAX returns, ordering food cause my fridge is empty again.

Not only would the ADDer (creative non-linear) thinker be gifted in "AI world" but would become essential.

am I still on topic?

yes!-*-

What we can do becomes more complex with time.

What is boring for us now would have been exciting for us back then -

- take movies +/- CGI (for instance) and red velvet wolves.

So - change results in an environment of greater complexity.

Previously water would have taken time to collect - and so time to cook would have exceeded the time it takes to fill a kettle with water, add it to noodles and eat -
an exercise reduced from far greater than 5 mnutes to 5 minutes

- what should we spend the rest of our time doing?

A more complex environment is achieved -
- with the low threshold boredom ADDers driving it -
- since we're not interested in spending time doing low stimulation activities - when we can compress low stimulation into as short a period as possible -
- such that we can do as much of the more interesting (high stimulation) - as possible.

So - we need to redefine stimulation in electrical terms - I think relating to absolute current and density of firing within neuroanatomical localities -

- a kinda' real intense spark being better than the same spark spread over a larger brain chunk
- with the more powerful the spark - the better

- sure -
- with the spark observed as an apparent current - a frequent beating - just like the beating of the heart - regular pulses of electrical flow - which could be considered a low frequency electrical current.

So stimulation switches from jumping off buildings and taking illicit drugs (which do light up our brains) - to other mechanisms which can light up our brains - and which can do so better - more sustainably ->

-> and we have daydreaming over a well developed mind.

-*-

We need to ask the question - and so why bother with all of this?

Why not just chill in the cave - with Mrs. Caveman ?

I think the answer to that question might be something along the lines of - we've (in effect) - a couple of electrodes strapped to us -
the voltage increases - and so we have to suck it up with some new functionality which sucks it up.

We'r driven to evolve up from a 1400W to a 1600W hoover - until the power source dwndles - and we've been unable to adapt to another source.

So - why is the voltage increasing.

I think - perhaps this reflects the sun's evolutionary pattern - life has been around for 4 billion years now -
however (in wikiP) - the current phase of evolution of the sun - reflects a heating - which'll (according to wikiP) - result in the Earth being boiled dry of pretty much everything in a few hundred million years.

A short time relative to life - though long relative to our own parochial view of time.

So - I think that the increase in heat output from the sun - results in the plasma lines emanating out from the sun - shooting more energy out at us - which we must deflect

the magnetosphere is our protection from the solar wind -
and that the increase in needs of the magnetosphere to deactivate the increasing power of the solar wind -

- in effect causes the voltage across planet Earth to have to increase - in order for ions to shoot out - which ionize and protect us from the increased pattern of precursor electrical flow from the sun.

-*-

Sounds a bit far fetched -
but there's a pattern - which boils down to
- why does physics come up with chemistry?
- why does chemistry come up with life?
- why does life come up with mind?

simply though - because here's energy - it needs a structure
- the availability of energy offers support for evolution to occur -

and the current pattern of evolution of man

- towards organism with more complex data structure of mind - with multiple lines of thought supported -
versus
nonADDer man -> simpler data structure of mind with 1 linear thread of conscious awareness

is our effort to support the pattern in its efforts to stave off annhilation.

So - aurora borealis (the Northern lights) - represent lower levels of Earth feeding the ionospheric shield of our planet - our last defence against the unrelenting attack from the sun of god (not even Will Smith and Bruce Willis offered up on a platter shaped ship from Independence Day (with lettuce dressing) can pacify Sun
Ra
:-)
and dee Arkestra).

-*-

Truly whatever he gives - may he choose to take away (without a moment's hesitation

- only mind and not process of physics knows morality).

Thankfully though morality aligns with process of physics; wouldn't be good if we were driven to do something we knew was wrong - collapse under a frenzy of indecision - we would.

boink
badoink !

ooops - no fear comrades
- that time it was merely an errant banana skin
Too funny!

In an entirely dry (desertified) (fired Earth) (sterile) sense.

-*-

Return to topic
(point of meandering)


-gifted-

->-

And so a small section of our population appears gifted (in comparison with another section of our population) -

note that 5% represents the classical statistical tail -
upper and lower tails at 5%
- with (I'm sure we'll find) -
ADD as disorder
ADHD at 5% of the world population
ADD-Inattentive at 5% of the world population

... though ADD-I will be underestimated -
as harder to 'spot.'

And so a small section of our population appears gifted (in comparison with another section of our population) -
as processes select which permit us to assist our (environment) planet to handle its change in ambient energetic profile.

Energy output increases - and we need to burn more energy - by turning up our air conditioning units.

The fact that we're not all gifted at the same time reflects the kinetics of the emergent energetic process.

The process (evolution of all things) - is a geometric process - which operates by

thing 1 -> thing 2 -> thing 3

(each 'thing' is an emergent structure
each 'thing' has a new continuous character or distribution
to its emergent property

->

so new 'thing' noun does new 'thing' verb - with each new 'thing' noun doing new 'thing' verb to a different extent
-> that's the statistical spread of the emergent property

for mind - IQ tries (but fails) - to be a graphical depiction of the distribution of an emergent character

- next place the noun and verb as synonym -
each noun is a verb -

that is -simplifying->

that a man is only a man if a man does man things

nouns are supposedly hard static things -
- they're not - they're continuously moving apparently static verbs -
- which're only apparently static -
- because the motion is balanced

-image-

an average of a see-saw would place the bar (balanced) - at its average point -
- when 2 equi-weight guys are playing on it.

when the tails of the statistical distribution (the normal (Lorenzian) distribution) which arises and which describes a continuous spectrum

-> in turn ->

produces an upper or lower tail -

- one of which offers utility in taking us forwards (better or worse at the emergent function)

~that is~
helping in out prime directive (related to energetic storage in our environment) not restricted to the 5 or 10% alone

- and that tail is taken -
fixed as absolute character within the entire population and

-*-

So -
-1-
the tail which offers us utility - is selected
-2-
Evolution occurs to shift all of us into an organism with the functionality of that tail (of the distribution)
-3-
Evolution appears directed (as a consequence)

And the more complex minds of ADDers is a perfect example of this whole process.

-*-

Mind v I makes for a good battery
Mind v II makes for a really good battery

Gifted in nonADD society leads to fame, wealth and fortune
- our kinda' gift reacts against the meaninglessnes of fame, wealth and fortune

meaning that our 'gift' has identical meaning to the 'giftedness' within nonADD society -
-though with opposite consequence

leading to NOT fame, NOT wealth, NOT fortune
- because those things're fatuous beyond belief - and are desperately sought by only the most pointless of people.

-*-

Why do the artisticaly gifted - die miserable mentally deranged deaths -

no Happy ever afters in the field of trend setters -

Van Gogh -
would never have settled for an ear pierced - and a small diamond encrusted stud placed within -
- he'd never have gazed into the mirror - at his new earring -
and mused at how attractive he is


Torn between two worlds of opposing forces - creates one giant WTF moment that can last for years.

Maybe gifted is

wrestling turkeys (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4611183)

Maybe it is figuring out how to duck,

I think gifted is often determined by expressing the right quality at the right time.

Maybe being gifted is tying a turkey video into the topic of gifted {who knows} as long as spelling doesn't count I may be able to pull it off.

creativity is duckin' flyin' frozen turkeys

- stuffed (you'd be) as opposed to stuffin' (you'd generally be)
the turkey

as consequence.

karma?

-*-

get wiser not just older.

:-)

look up not down is creativity
... if creativity is duckin' flyin' frozen turkeys

... ... ... or yur Sir right honourably stuffed!

as consequence.

karma?

-*-

get wiser not just older.

Guess that there would be the trick, to both being gifted and avoiding flying frozen turkeys.

I have the ability to hyperfocus on how someone else does something, then copy them and take it to extreme perfection, even researching and obsessing over the theory behind it. I briefly took up model aeroplane flying, just a simple steady glider with a club, which I learnt quickly but gave up as I find commitment hard especially at it was weather permitting and I got peed off when I couldn't fly.

Anyway about 10yrs later I was at my dads club and took control of his aerobatic panic plane which is supposed to be very hard to fly for a newbie but I did it with ease including aerobatics. My dad has won many major competitions and my brother has aswell only a few months after he took it up.

I started playing the guitar. I learnt the basic chords from a book and "made up my own chords" from these, only to later find out they are actually complex recognized chords like suspended, 7ths, 9ths etc. I've seen others playing and copied them aswell which is when things started to pick up.

Other than that, my mind goes blank when things are mundane like watching a slow/boring movie where I get frustrated and stare through the TV/cinema screen and cannot recall anything after it. Same with anything mundane.

So its all OR nothing for me - which I try to avoid to stay sane. But with social events like going to a bar, I hate going to the same place twice, even once seems mundane as theres nothing to do and so I normally stay in, which then gets mundane itself. doh.

I'm gifted with the art of []D [] []V[] []D [] []\[]! ....... -











being able to design neat words out of letters that is ;x ... no I'm not gifted unfortunately.

I’m sure I have a gifted brain.......However, I always forget to use it.

Limbo

the results of my psycho-educational analysis concluded that i have

- a moderate to severe range of ADHD (inattentive sub-type)

- a learning disability (short term memory & working memory in the 9th and 21st percentiles respectively)

- significantly advanced intellectual development in the forms of analytical and verbal thinking, reasoning, and logical problem solving (with multiple visual stimuli and whatnot)

my intelligence was calculated to be in the 93rd percentile, which is seemingly well above average and short of "giftedness". however, it's important (and also embarassing) to note that i had smoked marijuana 3-4 hours prior to my first testing session, which may have impacted my cognition during the subtests. it's no doubt i possess ADHD, given my lackluster performance throughout my secondary education (barely passed gr 11 with an average of 56%).

just for the record, i didn't blaze before the session to deliberately skew the results of my analysis, i had merely miscalculated the appointment to be taking place the following week ;)

Well I voted yes, but I regret it, for I have yet to be officially evaluated, and then the whole score depression that can sometimes be caused by AD/HD...........I like to think I'm gifted, but I think I'm just bright.

I possess, like many of you have noted about yourselves, a weird memory. For example I sat down yesterday and wrote down all my memories from kindergarten in short point form and I came up with seven pages. Just things about the artwork of other kids that I liked, or the time when we read about the origins of Santa Claus, or the times I got in trouble and I had no idea why. I was told that it was odd I remembered all that, so I assume I have a good long-term memory, because I can't remember the homework I'm assigned the day before.

Also I sometimes take things too far in school. In one of my classes my friend and I had to start up a business for a project. Almost everyone just bought candy in bulk and sold it for slightly more than what they paid for it. But we wrote "legends" for people, kind of like literary caricatures for people in the school. Melodramatic, humorous pieces relating to the person. It took off really fast we might have made about 30 stories within the month. Students and teachers ordered them. And they became so popular, teachers actually asked me to read them to their classes, and not just in english classes, I read one to a trig class. My parents were stopped around town by kids who complimented them. Without that project I would have failed the class because of all the work I didn't pass in. But as you may have noticed from the boastful nature of this post, I am very proud of that project.

There is Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences)) where some people test as 'gifted' in a certain type of intelligence. I've scored high on visual-spatial tests, but lower on the other types. My IQ has been tested as somewhere between 125-130, which is usually labeled as being 'very bright' but not 'gifted'.

I wish i was gifted! I'd have a better job and get my wanky novel finished, or be a scientist or something. I'm jealous of scientists. I'd study cellular memory or the universe. Is that astronomy? I don't even know what it is! I'd invent a way to track worm-holes and send teenie tiny spaceships into them to record information. But now i'm being flippant.

Does regifted count? :rolleyes:

Oh come on people! I am EXTREMELEY GIFTED! and despite being a ADDER, I'm going to be majorley sucessfull too! (and as a added bonus, not depressed like Poe)

I can.

-Drive a invisible submarine...EVEN ON LAND!
-I can summon piles of dirt
-I have a uncanny knack for compleatley destroying pinecones when I step on one.
-I can open a peanut shel useing ONE HAND!
-I can have room in a small room by myself, with nothing but a pencil
-if I dont have a pencil, an acorn will do!
-Who needs sidewalk chalk? I have the special talent of useing pine-tree bark!
-I can loose people in 5 seconds of silly banter, than some can in years of debate
-There is absolutley no end to how much I can say mached potatos has beniffited humanity as a whole
-I can underline every possibility of a coccunut traveling through space
-I can discover, by smell alone, the answer to the universe
-I can...oh...thats kewl, hang on.
...
.....
.......
-I can spent 3 hours surfing the internet because I saw a kewl add in a magizine.
-I can think of at least one way, a day, of how to take over the world
-at least ounce a day I come up with a new idea that I normally pass onto someone else who thinks that its the best thing in the world.


And did I mention that I thought of all of those things, in like, less than a minute!

to answer your question .. yes. I have an IQ of 162, Student of the Year and GPA 4.0... and that was before getting treated for my condition. Now I can really concentrate. xcuse me while I go take over the world.. :P

When you are ADHD and given an IQ test, the test may not be valid if you are not in the "zone." Also, if you have a combined dx of learning disability, the learning disability may actually pull your IQ score down based on a few lower subtests. There are many gifted ADHDers that show to be average or above average on IQ tests but the scores are pulled down by other factors.