I am 28 year old guy who throughout my life have tested anywhere from the 160-172 range on various IQ tests. When I am on my medicinice (Adderall IR 3x30mg a day) and klonopin to help calm down and slow down and sleep sometimes. I feel very alone in the fact that I have this ability with my mind but whne most people interact with me they assume because of the hyperactivity I am dumb or socially unacceptable. I work in sales and have an extremely successful career because I think the hyperactivity part when treated helps me be much more outgoing.

What I am looking for is someone who has extreme hyperactivity and extremely high intelligence to start talking about their daily experiences, it is needed bad..

I was the kind of child who read encyclopedias and dictionaries and this was all a byproduct of an iq test in kindergarten and a shrink telling my parents they had a prodigy and placed the world on my shoulders.

Can anyone relate at all?? Need a friend who understands me

I'm really hyper and high IQ. The hyperness does get in the way sometimes, but yes, it also helps me to cover ground a lot faster. Unlike you I am not hypersocial. I have problems with semantics and processing, so I am less than highly social, which has been a source of problems for me in terms of my career. I sort of get by on the stereotype of the socially awkward uber-geek (yes I know it is lame, but it works).

I think that when people can not understand you they tend to assume that you are not as intelligent as they are. If you remember to dumb it down a little and fill in the blanks for them they do a lot better in terms of understanding you.

ME :D

I am in the same category apparently, IQ has tested 158 (may not be anywhere from the 160-172 range on various IQ tests. but considered high enough)
I am severly hyperactive and can get manic (probably the only difference between me and you others). I have a lot of things running through my head and my boredon is usually calmed by a hyperfocus for a couple of hours to learn something new.

I've a fairly high IQ from what I recall...Somewere around the 130s..It has been a while, so, it may have gone up or down w/ time. My situation is like this: I'm intelligent academically, but, socially I come off as if I'm stupid. People assume that social intelligence is the same as academic intelligence and that if I mumble a little bit or say something that doesn't make sense that I must be 100% retarded or something...And while my overall grades fail to reflect it(thats separate issue..lack of studying/laziness/profs that try too hard to look good and assign more things than I kept track of), I'm still very much aware of my intelligence and potential giftedness.

Potential = my situation
Actual = what I've left myself to be
Reality = I've slacked like crazy!

A score like that is pretty much off the charts.

I guess a lot of your parents high expectations and your self-disappointment come from ASSUMING that this Kindergarten IQ test was right?

How many hours of testing did you have? (If it was less than 6-8 hours of 1:1 testing, I'd question the score. And I can't see a 5 year old Kindergartener getting 8 hours of psychoeducational/IQ testing. They simply can't sit still for it. Esp. if you were hyperactive.)

I've known people who were told they were 140 or 160 as kids, only to find out they are 'average' as kids.

Maybe the IQ test was wrong (many quick and dirty ones are), and you are "normal" and "not a failure".

Ever think of that ?!?

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Have you read up on EQ?

If you have a higher IQ, and low EQ, you can still be a 'failure' in life.

I ask b/c it is becoming a heavily researched area used to explain why people with lower IQs can speed past people with very high IQs in "the game of life".

Ofcourse the 'game of life' requires that you have great Executive Function. (And most ADDers apparently do not.)

I have a relatively moderate EQ, explains a lot...

Actually I am wrong about that I did 3 different online EQ tests and scored very high on them so I guess I should seek out an official EQ tester.

I know exactly how you feel. I've never taken an IQ test but thrive on that sort of mental activity. I am passionate about and good with high level math, masterly crafted literature, scientific concepts, and anything that requires a powerful mind. Vast mental ability and in public/among friends I tend to come off as a bloody idiot.

It is very frustrating to be capable of so much and not recognized for it. Even when i meet someone with the same level of intelligence I fail to express my full potential because of poor social ability. I have a couple of friends like this and I never seem to be able to pull myself out of the blundering idiot category.

That's why this forum is very nice. I can much easier express my thoughts and wisdom through text in an environment with low visual/auditory distractions. I'm on adderall as well. I understand you Hyperjosh and know what it's like for you. You're among friends :)

my only official IQ test I have ever taken was my freshman high school, and i scored 158. What is really wierd is my hyperactivity, impulsivity, etc, tends to kick in when I am focused on something, but when I cannot find something to focus on(jump around on multiple projects), I get depressed and very irritable... and tend to lose sleep...alot of sleep.

A score like that is pretty much off the charts.

I guess a lot of your parents high expectations and your self-disappointment come from ASSUMING that this Kindergarten IQ test was right?

How many hours of testing did you have? (If it was less than 6-8 hours of 1:1 testing, I'd question the score. And I can't see a 5 year old Kindergartener getting 8 hours of psychoeducational/IQ testing. They simply can't sit still for it. Esp. if you were hyperactive.)

I've known people who were told they were 140 or 160 as kids, only to find out they are 'average' as kids.

Maybe the IQ test was wrong (many quick and dirty ones are), and you are "normal" and "not a failure".

Ever think of that ?!?

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Have you read up on EQ?

If you have a higher IQ, and low EQ, you can still be a 'failure' in life.

I ask b/c it is becoming a heavily researched area used to explain why people with lower IQs can speed past people with very high IQs in "the game of life".

Ofcourse the 'game of life' requires that you have great Executive Function. (And most ADDers apparently do not.)






Trust me its right, i have taken probably 50 or more tests in my life but thanks for the lack of confidence...hahah no i understand im a freak

i was in applied calculus by 6th grade, and i can multiply 4 digit numbers in 1 second in my head

im kinda weird


just lookin for people who i can relate to

Trust me its right, i have taken probably 50 or more tests in my life but thanks for the lack of confidence...hahah no i understand im a freak

i was in applied calculus by 6th grade, and i can multiply 4 digit numbers in 1 second in my head

im kinda weird


just lookin for people who i can relate tomensa ;)

my only official IQ test I have ever taken was my freshman high school, and i scored 158. What is really wierd is my hyperactivity, impulsivity, etc, tends to kick in when I am focused on something, but when I cannot find something to focus on(jump around on multiple projects), I get depressed and very irritable... and tend to lose sleep...alot of sleep.


i have horrible sleeping issues and have my whole life

it effects my relationships with women i cannot seem tu cuddle or be touched while sleeping, i also tend to be very restless and move a lot

are any of you taking something besides adderall for the adhd

do you feel sharper on it or off, or is just a focus difference

mensa ;)
member here!!!

Can anyone relate at all?? Need a friend who understands me
No I can't relate. :p Bummer.. I guess we can't be friends. :cool:

i have horrible sleeping issues and have my whole life

it effects my relationships with women i cannot seem tu cuddle or be touched while sleeping, i also tend to be very restless and move a lot

are any of you taking something besides adderall for the adhd

do you feel sharper on it or off, or is just a focus differenceI am not medicated right now... but I do take ephedrine because it helps me to some extent, want to do things... like clean... go to work... also, I have asthma, so I can take 4-6 ephedrine in the morning and not need an inhaler all day.


oh, forgot to mention another symptom i have... when I am really focused on something, be it reading, schoolwork, an idea I have had, project, whatever, and someone interupts me for something that is totally viable, I tend to get very mad about it-- sometimes to the point where i just want to barricade myself in my room so they would leave me alone and let me do my thing. I guess that takes point in where i put my priorities... family and friends are alot more important then a new idea I have just had... but I sometimes need to write down a list of things in prioritical order to remind me of that.

I can relate. With respect to IQ, my score was never revealed to me. In 6th grade, my teachers lobbied for the school to have my intelligence tested anticipating that I had a learning disability & needed remedial work. I cannot descrbe my satisfaction upon being told that I was being transferred to all honors courses, though... :D

With respect to hyperactivity, it's manifestation changed as I grew up. My parents took an athouritarian approach with me; they must have assumed they could spank the proclivity for hyperactive/ loquacious behavior out of me... :eek: Over time, I compensated for my social "foibles" by withdrawing socially and pursuing more individualistic sports. Interestingly, I developed generalized anxiety around the same time...

Anyway, since starting Adderall XR + IR for what was diagnosed as ADHD, combined type I've returned to my old social self. Communication is immeasurably easier on meds, heck LIFE on the whole is easier. I'm convinced that non-ADHD wired minds can only approximate experiencing life with ADHD but they can never truly understand its effects. Even decelerating long enough to go to sleep at night presents unique challenges. ..

Mind if I ask, how have you used your high intelligence thus far? I don't doubt your IQ. However, ability is only half the battle in the arena of achievement...

I don't consider myself especially intelligent, but I have an interesting life & I'm motivated. I'm 24 and a 2nd year med student. :)

I've a pretty high IQ despite my ADD....and was one of those encyclopedia devouring kids....I still read voraciously and have always had isues fitting into smalltalk world. The few friends I have are constantly surprised at my ability to remember names and unusual facts from history while forgetting whose deal it is at poker.

Unfortunately I find that being intelligent and being able to bring a considerably tuned hyperfocal mind to work problems causes immense issues as I get incredibly frustrated when I produce solutions and everyone around looks kinda blank....eventually after a few months of that I just blow.....

Basically I just don't fit....high IQ plus impulsive inattentive ADD sucks. THere have been many times I just wanted to lobotomise myself and be able to do a days work, get a days pay, go to the pub and talk football then go home and watch a soap.

kilted

kilted, from similar personal experiences, i know how challenging it can be to function on a different plane than most other people. interestingly (to me at least), biochemical pathways and cell signal transduction "cross-talk" that leads to oncogenesis and tumor growth seem forever etched in my memory. The same can be said for other esoteric topics such as bonsai cultivation, chinese dynasties, classical bassoon repertoire, analytic or continental philosophy, especially well-written works of non-fiction (and some fiction), global coffee culture... none of which are even remotely useful for small-talk.

having said that, "small-talk" worthy material is pretty easy to identify. spend 5 minutes every morning & evening skimming the bbc home and sports pages online. you'll shine like a star.

Heaven help everyone else, though, when you or I casually bring up the Caledonians or Derrida's "metaphysics of presence..." you have to admit, the reactions elicited can be more entertaining than discussing the subject at length might have been...

rest assured, you're not alone. so, fellow voracious reader, what are you currently reading?

Just finished Imperial life in the Emerald city....about life in the Baghdad Green Zone.

kilt

Iq is a weird thing. I never had mine mensa tested, allways forget to sign up or when/where they are held :)
But I have undergone a daylong neurological test of general iq-related brain issues, and came out with a diagnose paper (that I should frame I guess) saying that I was pretty mutch waaay above average in the brain department.
Anyway, I think I'd jump of a bridge or somthing, if I didnt have the the extra brainpower to deal with my ADD.
I'ts a matter of surfing the brainwaves rather than drowning in them if you get me?

And its a good feeling in my heart to know that there is nothing that I cant learn (ofc. not talking flapping my arms till I can fly here) if I get hyperfocused about it.

Ooh, this was about friendship and high Iq wasnt it? Well, I get so puppy-like happy the few times I meet someone who manages to follow me.
Most people are (yes I'm beeing f**king arrogant here, I know!) if not stupid, not mentaly where I am. So when the odd person shows up that I can relate to and realy comunicate with, oooh the happyness!
And to this day I'we just know two people who I would regard as my superiors, brain wice. They're both wery dear friends of mine and I respect them very mutch.
One got asbergers and the lokal mensa-group still keeps bugging him about joining after he tested completely off the chart they operate with.
But ofc, beeing himself, he thinks mensa is just to serious about themselfs, and refuses to join. Aaaw, realy love his approach to life.
Anyway having friends like that, makes it so mutch easier to have conversations about we don't get, for example discovering a new sosial norm.
Like finding out that hanging up on someone calling you when you're doing somthing important, migth come out as rude. Nether me or my asbie friend realy got that, before a girl told him he was beeing rude doing it.

So it helps having friends that are equally as spaced out as you are. They are just a bit hard to find, hehe.

(Think I forgot what this post realy was about, but the post quick reply-button got to my finger before I could be botherd with re-reading it. Sorry ;)

I am not medicated right now... but I do take ephedrine because it helps me to some extent, want to do things... like clean... go to work... also, I have asthma, so I can take 4-6 ephedrine in the morning and not need an inhaler all day.


oh, forgot to mention another symptom i have... when I am really focused on something, be it reading, schoolwork, an idea I have had, project, whatever, and someone interupts me for something that is totally viable, I tend to get very mad about it-- sometimes to the point where i just want to barricade myself in my room so they would leave me alone and let me do my thing. I guess that takes point in where i put my priorities... family and friends are alot more important then a new idea I have just had... but I sometimes need to write down a list of things in prioritical order to remind me of that.Is it possible you are bipolar, not ADD?

I know how you feel. I am not sure what my IQ is but my hpyeractivity makes me an outcast most of the time. I can do amazing things with my mind but it is often overshadowed at work by my behaviors. It is lonely at times, but I don't mind it because I kind of like being alone.

I feel very alone in the fact that I have this ability with my mind but when most people interact with me they assume because of the hyperactivity I am dumb or socially unacceptable.

Yeppers many think because you are hyper you must also be mentally challenged. I know this very well. You ought to try the above combo with dyslexia.




I think that when people can not understand you they tend to assume that you are not as intelligent as they are. If you remember to dumb it down a little and fill in the blanks for them they do a lot better in terms of understanding you.

Correct, learning about the other persons so I know where they are coming from helps. I am familiar with may fields and various professional lingo so I can often use appropriate associations to help explain my point better.





when I cannot find something to focus on(jump around on multiple projects), I get depressed and very irritable... and tend to lose sleep...alot of sleep.


EGAD the sleeping issues are never ending plus medications that make most people sleep do NOT necessarily make me sleepy. I took a sleep med that rendered me a compulsive eater {spinach out of a can any one?}



was in applied calculus by 6th grade, and i can multiply 4 digit numbers in 1 second in my head

I am not that good but I am decent at math I normally just know the answer without really knowing how I got there. Drives my husband who is also ADD and good at math batty.




t effects my relationships with women i cannot seem tu cuddle or be touched while sleeping, i also tend to be very restless and move a lot

Find another hyper active ADDer. I am the same way. Because my husband is also hyperactive and does not like to cuddle much because it is too restrictive he loves the fact I do not expect this. We hug and stuff but it is very brief, we do not sleep close together unless it gets cold in our bed room}. Because I am also hyperactive ADD I do not have the same limitations or expectations a neurotypical would. It works for us.





and someone interupts me for something that is totally viable, I tend to get very mad about it-- sometimes to the point where i just want to barricade myself in my room so they would leave me alone and let me do my thing.

I do the same thing simply because I know if I loosed my train of thought there is a very good chance it will be gone for good. Once interrupted I find it almost impossible to get back to the exact place I left off.

I have to priories my thoughts because some are more important than others. When I do not want to be bothered short of a house fire I wear head phones.

"Highly intelligent and hyperactive"?

If people thikn you're not intelligent maybe you can think about why... it might not be hyperactivity so much as, maybe you're not paying attention to THEIR intelligence. If you don't "get" them, they're not going to be picking up on your intelligence, either.

But that combination can be hard. I hope you can find some kindred spirits.

I am 28 year old guy who throughout my life have tested anywhere from the 160-172 range on various IQ tests. When I am on my medicinice (Adderall IR 3x30mg a day) and klonopin to help calm down and slow down and sleep sometimes. I feel very alone in the fact that I have this ability with my mind but whne most people interact with me they assume because of the hyperactivity I am dumb or socially unacceptable. I work in sales and have an extremely successful career because I think the hyperactivity part when treated helps me be much more outgoing.

What I am looking for is someone who has extreme hyperactivity and extremely high intelligence to start talking about their daily experiences, it is needed bad..

I was the kind of child who read encyclopedias and dictionaries and this was all a byproduct of an iq test in kindergarten and a shrink telling my parents they had a prodigy and placed the world on my shoulders.

Can anyone relate at all?? Need a friend who understands meNo big deal, hyperjosh, I've known people with higher IQ's then yours and they are even more messed up then you are. :D So IQ scores really doesn't mean much, other then to impress those who find it impressive, it's what you do with the IQ, high or low, that means the most. I hope you can get things sorted out.

Cheers.

If people thikn you're not intelligent maybe you can think about why... it might not be hyperactivity so much as, maybe you're not paying attention to THEIR intelligence. If you don't "get" them, they're not going to be picking up on your intelligence, either.


gee does this make my hyperactive ADD contagious?


How would my being bombarded by every sight, sound, smell tactile sensation and thought 24/7 interfere with how other people were able to perceive me from their own minds? Do we not all see the world according to who we are? How would who I am have one blooming thing to do with how another perceives the world around them?

btw - Just because people fail to recognized my intelligences doesn't mean I miss theirs. {rather odd assumption IMHO}

I am hyperactive and the amount of stimuli I am able to process at any given time is extensive. I do how ever some times have problems missing the obvious while falling over the sublime. I may miss what is said but how it is said is often screaming obvious this goes for oral and written communications alike.

OK, so you have a highIQ, and you are looking for people to relate to. Wouldnt it make more sense to talk about your interests? High IQ but low EQ is going to be tough to deal with. Not that you have that problem, but certanly a problem ive witnessed with people who talk about their IQs. I personally dont mind being underestimated, its entertaining.

I have a high IQ with add. Although I am not hyper anymore. Why? because I adapted and learned. I also took martial arts at a young age and if you take the right style they will teach you to focus your mind at will. For some reason this has stuck with me ever since. To put it in perspective, I was a very hyper child and I read (self-study) graduate school materials in middle school (MIT artificial intelligence). I took martial arts in H.S. and college. I didnt take meds until now (adderall) but I attribute life experience as shaping my discipline and life skills. Starting adderall later in life helped for me. However for others, if the Add/ADHD is severe enough that you cant be effective in school then meds are best. I take from 10-20 mg and it does focus me and calms me. I refuse to take a large dose as it can give you meth-like side effects/highs and thats not what its for. Yes, pre-medication life was hard but martial arts and emotional support networks help but I believe I am stronger b/c I didnt have meds to teach me self-reliance. Now, at 34, I have earned my undergrad degree, I went to grad school 3 years ago and quit with 4 classes left. Now I am starting an MBA b/c I feel its a "better fit". 10 years experience in an entrepenueral aerospace business.--as you can see the ADD tendency to do many things in life. I didnt complete grad school but I excelled in my professional life so I had success in some areas and partial success in others but no one is perfect.

I always felt people size your intelligence based on how you look/express yourself. However, if you are having issues with people's perceptions then I recommend wearing your hair like Einstein. It actually worked for a classmate of mine. If you do not desire this route then I would recommend these two things: eye contact and posture. Listen to them, fixate on their body language. I know its tough at first but soak it all in. That person will immediately like you if you do it right.

When people feel that they are being heard then you are automatically smarter in their eyes...Its been working wonders for me throughout my professional life.

Also, ADD in my mind is more a description of a unique neural makeup that is advantageous in creative and innovative thinking but not in sequential tasks. Its only a deficiency when you cant study, its not a deficiency or a disablement in life. See Thomas Edison and perhaps Einstein.

ADD/ADHD can be a significant impact on ones life depending on the circumstances one finds oneself in. I would particularly point to the area of marriage and childrearing as one where modern expectations of relationships put particular strains on the ADD brain.

In the days of Edison and Einstein men and women had particular roles to fulfil and in those two gentlemens careers it is fairly obvious that their wives did not expect them to share in the housework or childrearing and allowed them pretty free rein to explore and work as hard as they wished.

It must have been acutely mentally distressing to be a very high IQ female with ADD....maybe it still is?

kilt

I think that a high IQ often means that there is a communications gap between the person with the high IQ and the average person. The burden of compansating for it is placed on the person with the higher IQ since the party with the lower IQ is probably doing about as much as they can (in theory). It's probably one reason why a really intelligent individual might seem a bit odd and eccentric, when what they do makes good sense in fact, but others might not have the capacity to grasp the facts. I suppose it is one reason why some really intelligent people might appear to be very ADD-like or asperger-ish, but yet not qualify for a diagnosis.


In any case, gifted does not mean gifted across the board, and a person with high IQ can have significant defecits.

Myself, along with my ADHD and anxiety disorders I have problems with sematics. My ability to grasp the finer details has been described as bordering significantly disordered. Yet I'm reasonably good at nonverbal communications. When you add it up, I get things wrong a lot and sometimes seem to be uncaring or unsympathetic when the fact is that I simply did not "get it". I tune out a lot and spend half the time on my own planet, and I sometimes have to make a cognitive effort to "check in" on a regualr basis. Why? Who knows.... I'm hyper and tend to skip around , and I task switch like crazy at times. I often have a half dozen or more things going on at the same time. Why? God only knows, because I sure don't.

I can be obsessive about things that are just plain silly, but to me the devil is in the details and I need to have the hard wquestions answered in order to move forward. Many times people just don't seem to understand that it is the way that I need to operate to function...It's just my way of doing things and it works rather well, as odd as it seems.

Despite the disorders, at the same time I can build a supercomputer from scratch and design/build complex electroncis circuitry. I can make complex systems virtually sing. Its' easy for me, as natural as breathing.

My IQ is high, my social skills are good. I'm just a geek with an odd combo of pluses and minuses, what can I say?? :eek: :faint:

ME :D

Oh, I know what you mean Meadd. I meant no offense, sorry. I just mean, my own experiences, I HAVE had to really work at tuning in to others, and I see a big improvement in how much of ME gets perceived. So that's where I got that take on it, because it just flashed me back to times when my intelligence wasn't seen; I'm suggesting something that's within one's own power, or at least more so than trying to control other people's minds, ya know?

I am not medicated right now... but I do take ephedrine because it helps me to some extent, ... so I can take 4-6 ephedrine in the morning ...
Ephedrine or Pseudoephedrine (i.e. Sudafed) ?

I don't know too much about ephedrine, but I do believe that it's precription-only or even illicit. Pseudoephedrine is available without a prescription but behind the counter. Be careful using these drugs; I'm concerned because it feels like you're taking much more than directed (pseudoephedrine dose is typically 1 or 2 30mg tablets)

And note that just because a drug is sold without a prescription by no means makes it safer than a prescription drug.

Oh, I know what you mean Meadd. I meant no offense, sorry. I just mean, my own experiences, I HAVE had to really work at tuning in to others, and I see a big improvement in how much of ME gets perceived. So that's where I got that take on it, because it just flashed me back to times when my intelligence wasn't seen; I'm suggesting something that's within one's own power, or at least more so than trying to control other people's minds, ya know?


I understand thanks for the clarification - I usually do try to understand where others are coming from so I can better relate to them but there are still those times I simply :foot: :o