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Matt S.
11-28-07, 10:47 AM
Brains of children with ADHD mature later

Updated Wed. Nov. 14 2007 7:55 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff



The brains of children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) mature in a normal pattern, finds a new study. But that maturity is delayed three years in some brain regions, compared to kids without the disorder.

Dr. Philip Shaw, with the Child Psychiatry Branch at the National Institute of Mental Health in the U.S., used new MRI image analysis techniques to allow his team to pinpoint the thickening and thinning of thousands of sites along the brain's cortex, the outermost layers of the brain.

They looked at 223 kids diagnosed with ADHD, and 223 without the disorder. They found that among the children without ADHD, half of 40,000 cortex sites attained peak thickness at an average age of seven-and-a-half. But in the kids with the condition, the cortex sites didn't reach peak thickness until-10-and-a-half.

The delay in brain development in kids with ADHD was most prominent in regions at the front of the brain. Those areas support the ability to focus attention, remember things from moment to moment, suppress inappropriate actions and thoughts, work for reward, and control movement -- functions that are often disturbed in people with ADHD.

One of the last areas to mature, the middle of the prefrontal cortex, lagged five years in those with ADHD.

The only area that matured faster than normal in kids with ADHD was the motor cortex, the area of the brain that controls motor function. This mismatch might account for the restlessness and fidgety symptoms common among those with the disorder, the researchers suggested.

The researchers say the delayed pattern of brain maturation they observed in kids with ADHD is the opposite of that seen in those with other developmental brain disorders such as autism. In that disorder, it appears that the volume of brain structures peak at a much earlier-than-normal age.

The authors say the fact that the cortexes of the brains of kids with ADHD do eventually mature in a normal pattern -- even if it is delayed -- is reassuring. It could also help to explain why many kids with ADHD eventually seem to grow out of the disorder.

Dr. Alan Evans, a lab director of clinical trials and imaging at the Montreal Neurological Institute and Hospital, said the study offers good news, but parents of ADHD kids should still be cautious.

The institute had a key role in the study, using a recently activated brain imaging database to help collect the study data.



"I don't want to give the impression that everything will catch up in all children. Some ADHD kids improve and their symptoms ameliorate as they grow to adulthood and some don't," Evans told CTV's Canada AM.

He said there is a critical point when different parts of the brain begin to communicate with each other. If the brain is not mature at the point when that communication is beginning to happen, the child may not catch up, Evans said.

"About 50 per cent or so of ADHD kids do improve and get over the symptoms and some don't so I don't want to overstate the case."

The researchers hope next to find the genetic underpinnings of the brain maturation delay, as well as ways of boosting processes of recovery from the disorder.

The study appears in the latest issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.

Stabile
11-28-07, 11:34 AM
Didn't we just do this? (grins..)

~boots~
11-28-07, 11:36 AM
I'm still waiting for mine to mature :-(

Matt S.
11-28-07, 12:15 PM
This was the more official article to a recent one which stated children outgrew ADHD, I will post a couple of links to the effect.

They were in recent news.

Matt S.
11-28-07, 12:20 PM
here's a washington post one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/23/AR2007112301415.html

and time magazine
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1684536,00.html


and they are recent so your flippance wasn't necessary because according to the similar threads on the bottom you didn't. (grins)

Stabile
11-28-07, 01:50 PM
Flippance, eh? we’ll have some of that, I think, and a little or that other, too, thanks...

The original AP articles still remain fresh in my mind, and seem to cut closer to the author’s sense of how the results should be interpreted. By the time you get to TimeMag, politics has cut in big time, and nuance a thing of the past.

We’ll stick with our original optimistic interpretation of the tone of the research team, which members are invited to peek at a bit further back in this subforum...

Matt S.
11-28-07, 03:04 PM
I found an article that I thought people on this site would find interesting and/or would like to read.

That doesn't mean I agree with it or that I am posting it with the claim that I believe it is fact.

Nobody really knows, it's research and I actually agree 100% with

The original AP articles still remain fresh in my mind, and seem to cut closer to the author’s sense of how the results should be interpreted. By the time you get to TimeMag, politics has cut in big time, and nuance a thing of the past.
I have also seen quite a few things get repeated on this site in the world of posts and don't have the time to go back in posts to look for a two person ADDF interpretation of something that I found randomly and posted simply to inform people of something that I personally spent one minute reading because it didn't interest me.

Please, I encourage you to post another link to this alleged thread which didn't interest me, kind of like this article that I randomly posted in case some member actually wants to look into different perceptions of what this article may or may not imply.

Crazy~Feet
11-28-07, 03:12 PM
I have also seen quite a few things get repeated on this site in the world of posts and don't have the time to go back in posts to look for a two person ADDF interpretation of something that I found randomly and posted simply to inform people of something that I personally spent one minute reading because it didn't interest me.
We have three threads going as of today solely for the purpose of random chatter. I tend to think that where you have ADDers, a certain amount of *whatever* is bound to occur. Humans are an imperfect species, no matter what stage of evolvement they happen to believe they are at.

If it becomes an issue that things occasionally get repeated? We might as well close membership, so that we never have to see questions like "Could this be ADD?" ever again.

Good thing that isn't what this place is all about.

Matt S.
11-28-07, 03:16 PM
Stabile- I couldn't find this post since I took the time to look for it so I could put a link up. I found one I posted last month which was similar but I am not sure where this alleged post is, so please put a link up on this and the other thread that is similar so the members can reap the full benefit of your perception as well.

I tried to look for it couldn't find it.

Thanks

SB_UK
11-28-07, 03:25 PM
hmmm...
whilst trying to concentrate on this paper - kiddy laptop music and my laptop music merged and entered my mind at the same time resulting in this sudden loss of focus -
still able to see -
but as though the focus knob had been twiddled -
and I'd been jolted backwards.

Just realized that I may have been looking at your frenetic cat DJ at the time :-)

hmmm... ... odd
----------------------------------------------------
- ever seen the classical near death film trick -
where the camera telephoto lens ->es-> to the guy's face
or forehead - and he's sweating

So starts from some distance away and ends up with only forehead in the picture.

so - the exact opposite -
So starts from some distance away

- and the camera wideangle lens <-es-> away from the guy's face -
can barely see him.
----------------------------------------------------
... ... ... anyway... ... ...
----------------------------------------------------
so - why wouldn't we ... ...
... ooo! heck -
did you ever see this?

http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45286

I was about to make the same point as I made there ... ... ...
and then came over all 'de\ja vu'

confused (as always)
:-)

Matt S.
11-28-07, 03:27 PM
They don't call it attention deficit disorder for nothing

Matt S.
11-28-07, 03:34 PM
According to my research now that look further into the matter, i was the first one to create a thread to this effect here:

http://addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44458

I happened to be the fourth one to then post a thread to this effect this time.

Check out my thread from 10-24-07.

SB_UK
11-28-07, 03:48 PM
We have three threads going as of today solely for the purpose of random chatter.you know -
I'm finding it hard to separate that statement's context
between
virtual ADDf here
and
multithreaded virtual logical structure of ADDer running thread upon concurrent thread here
~aka~
virtual ADDer

:-)

Stabile
11-28-07, 05:53 PM
Good thing that isn't what this place is all about…
(grins…) Yeah, you’re sure right about that.

If you look at what we posted, most of it was intended to serve notice to anyone interested that several similar threads existed, some referencing the same work. Our more significant comments were posted in the AD/HD News subforum.

It’s about connecting the dots, so to speak, without wasting too much time being repetitive. We haven’t a care in the world who posts first, or last or anything like that.

Web-like structures don’t fit naturally into the linear forum format. But they sure do fit in our AD/HD heads, and sometimes that mismatch is going to bear fruit.

We’re all really on the same page here, I think, even when there’s more than one page, on the face of it…

HighFunctioning
11-28-07, 06:37 PM
ADHD has been referred to as a "developmental" attention disorder for quite some time, and is frequently associated with "maturity delays". I wouldn't exactly be surprised if this was not the first time this has been discussed (first-time meaning all of the threads on this topic posted in the last month).

The idea in itself is not anything new, but perhaps the specific piece of related research is.

Kimmy
11-29-07, 12:33 AM
I almost failed kindergarten for not being coordinated enough and unable to tie shoes. I was above academically so they let me slide. I couldn't be in ballet class, because I was so un-coordinated. They told me to play a sport like basketball first. :( Maybe this just relates to the hyper type of ADD?

The 10 1/2 year old mark kinda makes sense. I remember in 4th/5th grade I quit being so bossy and sassy. I remember being really outgoing and then bam! wasn't anymore, but maybe that was just a growing up thing at the same time? Interesting.