Not sure if you're familiar with psych truth, but they're on youtube and they talk a lot about mental health issues and they're pretty anti-medication (all of it) and deny the existance of ADHD (not Natalie, a different dude). Anyways, this video makes me nervous.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Pg_vnSR-fQ

Is it true? Will Adderall make me worse off in the long run or just not affect my focus or impulsiveness if I still take it three years from now?

doctors have been prescribing adderall for ages.

it's changed my life.

most people that disagree with anything typically start off by spouting about it's ill effects. You'll find a similar argument about cow's milk, eggs, meat, vaccines, certain books in the public library, talcum powder, mercury, etc. etc.

My personal philosphy on all this adhd med debate is this: it works for me. I'm no longer interested in why joe schmoe thinks it's bad for me. Until there is evidence that CANNOT BE ARGUED about the meds I'm taking being bad for me, I'm sticking with it. The difference it's made in my life totally nullifies any such argument to the contrary ** in my mind **

Don't be afraid to talk to your doctor about your concerns on all this. But just keep in mind, there's naysayers to almost anything. Heck, even good ole sliced bread got the shaft by Dr. Atkins. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's true. Naysayers for everything. But I don't think there can be evidence that can't be argued, and I be looking stuff up on the net to find all bad stuff basically. Like this wikipedia addictive drug scale. Did you know that adderall is in an addictive class above ritalin and concerta and all that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:20drugs.gif

Yikes. Maybe I should start looking for the good more for a while. See what I find.

When I get on a roll with researching crap and start finding endless information, my husband tells me to just quit looking because clearly there's no end to the information out there, and I'm only making myself neurotic by it.

I was so upset by those videos I felt compelled to give them a piece of my mind in video form. lol. How dare they deny the existance of ADD! How dare they deny my struggles! How dare they say that everything I have gone through, because of ADD is a lie, a fabrication, a scam... I was ticked off by them, especially the so called Psychologist spouting off about things he knows nothing about, obviously.

Natalie has information regarding a limited percentage of people which is not very high, so in her mind she is right.

Did she say a (as in one) study?...

No long term effects? Can't we change the medicines, go from Ritalin to Dexedrine etc?

I just replied to a thread about omega-3, where I told about my experience with eating only stoneage food for longer periods of time (months). It doesn't change nearly as much as people want to believe, in terms of ADHD.

As an adult, receiving Ritalin, I have to take part in behavioral therapy. Not an option. I agree that it's helpful, but it's not much by itself.

I'm all for future studies that goes beyond side effects and pro's and con's to meds, but to reasons to ADHD, but also how an ADHDer's outcome will vary from siblings, in adulthood.

Never understood how anyone can prescribe meds to a 2-year-old, but I think most kids will be okay without meds through elementary school. I'd want to know, though, whether stunted growth is a result of less appetite, or something completely else. If it's the effect on appetite, I'm sure it won't be hard to find something to counteract that issue, and therefor allow for regular development in height and weight.

She only mentioned Ritalin.

Yeah, that's true. Naysayers for everything. But I don't think there can be evidence that can't be argued, and I be looking stuff up on the net to find all bad stuff basically. Like this wikipedia addictive drug scale. Did you know that adderall is in an addictive class above ritalin and concerta and all that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:20drugs.gif

Yikes. Maybe I should start looking for the good more for a while. See what I find.

That chart doesn't show adderall, it shows amphetamine. Which amphetamine? Meth? Adderall? Plain old Dexadrine? Who knows. They don't have identical effects, so we can't make any assumptions.

that chart is inaccurate because IMHO and most people's opinion is that nicotine is the most addictive drug.

Hello everyone! I'm back. I wish this darned thing would let me multiquote instead of making me copy/paste. =/

When I get on a roll with researching crap and start finding endless information, my husband tells me to just quit looking because clearly there's no end to the information out there, and I'm only making myself neurotic by it.Yes, endless indeed! You sometimes get contradicting information on different sources. And as someone said ealier on this forum, a psychiatrist trying to fix the brain with medicine is like a mechanic trying to fix a car with a pair of kitchen sizzors (sp?) or something. People don't believe me when I say this, but they know nothing about the brain compared to pretty much the rest of the organs and how they function. It's because it's so complex I s'pose.

I was so upset by those videos I felt compelled to give them a piece of my mind in video form. lol. How dare they deny the existance of ADD! How dare they deny my struggles! How dare they say that everything I have gone through, because of ADD is a lie, a fabrication, a scam... I was ticked off by them, especially the so called Psychologist spouting off about things he knows nothing about, obviously.Yes I know. When I first saw it quite a while ago I was convinced it didn't exist too. These are the videos I was talking about if anyone wants to know.
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=adhd%20dr.%20john%20breeding&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1
The first one and some other videos I saw by different people made me think it wasn't real. There was one about AD/HD being "voted into existance," but I would think that's how they make all mental disorders official.

Natalie has information regarding a limited percentage of people which is not very high, so in her mind she is right.

She only mentioned Ritalin
Yeah, it was a study though and I don't know how often they do those three-year long studies so it made me nervous. I dunno, I've never heard of a long term study of adderall and all that. Gah, I'm so internally confused. I should just stop being so caught up on meds probably and just assume that if I take them rarely nothing will happen!

And yeah she only mentioned ritalin. They're give or take the same though it seems. All about dopamine.

Did she say a (as in one) study?...

No long term effects? Can't we change the medicines, go from Ritalin to Dexedrine etc?

I just replied to a thread about omega-3, where I told about my experience with eating only stoneage food for longer periods of time (months). It doesn't change nearly as much as people want to believe, in terms of ADHD.

As an adult, receiving Ritalin, I have to take part in behavioral therapy. Not an option. I agree that it's helpful, but it's not much by itself.

I'm all for future studies that goes beyond side effects and pro's and con's to meds, but to reasons to ADHD, but also how an ADHDer's outcome will vary from siblings, in adulthood.

Never understood how anyone can prescribe meds to a 2-year-old, but I think most kids will be okay without meds through elementary school. I'd want to know, though, whether stunted growth is a result of less appetite, or something completely else. If it's the effect on appetite, I'm sure it won't be hard to find something to counteract that issue, and therefor allow for regular development in height and weight.Yes, just one study. And I know those herbal things don't really work because I tried fish oil and took it thrice a day for weeks a year and a half ago and it helped made my hair shinier/healthier looking I believe but it did not help concentration and mood like it should. I got some kinda recently actually. And I tried high-potency grapeseed extract and it doesn't do anything at all. I also take mineral and B12 stuff and have eaten a very healthy diet for over two years. There's outside factors that contribute to attention, sure, but there's sometimes more to it than that.

Yeah I don't know wtf is with giving meds to toddler's now. Some mother went to jail not long ago for giving her two-year-old fifty percent more bi-polar meds then prescribed one night. I would never give my kids bi-polar meds in elementary school unless really really necessary. She had all her little kids on it. A two-year-old is supposed to be like that though, really.


That chart doesn't show adderall, it shows amphetamine. Which amphetamine? Meth? Adderall? Plain old Dexadrine? Who knows. They don't have identical effects, so we can't make any assumptions.Yes I was thinking that. I just figure since most drugs of the same chemistry go in the same class, like heroin is about as addictive as all opiates. I'm not a chemist though but I'm trying to figure this out.

that chart is inaccurate because IMHO and most people's opinion is that nicotine is the most addictive drug. That's hard to say. You'd have to ask someone who's done a lot of them to compare. Personally I would guess that heroin is more addictive, because from what I've gathered on the net nearly one third of people who have used it (as in actual recreational heroin, not oxycotin or anything) ended up becomeing addicted. And it's not like smoking that people are pretty careless about since everyone does it, it's one of those things where people are like, "Just this once...." and only 2% of people have taken that risk at all. Everyone has smoked a ciggy before though.

Who know's though.

Alright, this question goes into a whole new topic and probably shouldn't belong here, but instead of making myself a new thread I'll ask if anyone knows: What do amphetimine medicines do differently than mythalphenidate medicines in the brain? Both work on dopamine, but in different ways I guess???