Did Einstein have ADD? He was known to be very forgetful yet very intelligent...

i'm trying to find out if hyperfocusing has any relation to intelligence... why? coz at the moment coz i'm bored, really bored.

it's my first post here anyway. I'm a 3rd year medstudent. my IQ is 123. i am at the bottom of the class ranking and i can only get myself to study an average of 10-12 hours per week.

Einstein had ADD. He was kicked out of class and labeled "unteachable" by his school.

Welcome to the forums, bekindtoedward...

it's grreat to be here. tnx clam :)

Um I dunno my IQ score...so does that make it low?
But I know einstein was ADD and a great mind it was:D..just like the rest of us! Welcome aboard bekindtoedward...do you have a shorter nich name...LOL!

LOL! tnx for the welcome mel :) ... all in all i can say, you guys are doing a great job making me feel... umm very welcome. so thanks :).

I have a high IQ and have never been able to study well.

Trade magazines are the only thing I can really "study" because I need to get my info in short articles.

If they made three page chapters in novels, I would read more. lol

so far everybody's iq belongs to the very superior group... except mine. dis sux lol.

so have you guys actually been diagnozed by a psychiatrist?

coz i'm thinking of going to a psychiatrist to get my diagnosis. i fit the for DSM VI criteria for ADHD, well except for not having significant impairment.... well i have never failed on anything yet.

are they very strict bout the criteria? coz i'm thinking of getting a diagnosis of ADHD, so i could get professional help, advice or whatever...

...and prolly get my younger brother to visit the same psychiatrist and get him help as well. he's very stubborn, has been to 4 colleges already, he's also already got a little baby... anyways i think therapy could help him be more organized, and perhaps be succesful at whatever he does.

so back to my question... are psychiatrists really strict about fitting the criterias for ADHD to get a diagnosis? did you guys really fit the DSM IV criteria?

Originally posted by steveb
I have a high IQ and have never been able to study well.

Trade magazines are the only thing I can really "study" because I need to get my info in short articles.

If they made three page chapters in novels, I would read more. lol

There's a Canadian magazine called Reader's Digest that you would absolutely love... everything in it is in short, condensed articles, and at the end of every article there is a line or paragraph or two with a funny little joke or anecdote...

Please dont think of me as rude but I don't like this post.... I don't think IQ # is important here.....Due to faulty wiring most of my knowledge is locked in my brain.

I know my IQ and it doesn't reflect my true IQ. This is from the people who tested me. I have LDs that made the test hard for me, my LD make me look less smart (if thats a word). I can't spell well, can't do math to save my life and I some times say things backwards.

My husband races motorcycles, model boats and model airplanes. I know his secrets,I tell him if I could mange to get one detail of what he does out of my brain and onto paper, I could be rich ! ...lol...

I can list all the things I know a bit about and I'm proud of myself for all the things I know about....But I'm also ashamed to say I couldn't tell you any of it. I can't it out of my brain....

I think it's so fantasic your a medstudent ! That to me speaks louder than what your IQ is......

Sorry, I sound a bit motherly don't I ...lol... Habit !...lol...

I never have tested my IQ and probably never will. I started once taking one online but I hated the way it was designed. I think it is very linear logic in the way it works and I don't think in linear logic but more in scattered-shot logic.

Originally posted by steveb
If they made three page chapters in novels, I would read more. lol

have you ever tried reading anthing by the author kurt vonnegut? i haven't read anything by him since high school, but, i remember that he had very short chapters.

i just read Life of Pi by Yann Martel. i highly recommend it and some of the chapters (later in the book) were one paragraph long!

fasttalkingmom: i'm so sorry this post offended you, i never intended to do so. i don't feel very comfortable now that i know i offended somebody. i posted this with good intentions.

i was not advertising that i'm smart coz i'm a medstudent or that my IQ is ### to make myself feel superior in any way. i felt so comfortable coz i finally found people who could i relate and be myself with.

well, i wasn't expecting the reply you gave. but thank you for being honest

please accept my apology. if you knew me in person you'd know that i'm a very sincere person, non-judgemental and genuine. people have misjudged me for being very blunt before, i just didn't expect that to happen again here.

fasttalkingmom: yes you do sound very motherly. but i really appreciate your honesty. i don't think you're rude at all. i will have this post deleted unless i get a word from you not to do so...

Oh My !!! No No No....I'm so not affended.. I'm very sorry to have made you feel that way :(

you sure :). okey... you did sound like my mother though hehe. i think i got my ADD from her.

fasttalkingmom: i feel better now. i guess i just misunderstood your posts :). i'm gonna sleep now. God bless you and your whole family. nyt2

Hello,

There are several post in wich people say they don't like math or aren't able to compute well.

Am I the only one to actually like math ( especialy algebra ? ) ?

For the IQ i don't like it very much. My own score is about 120 and it doesn't help me very much in everyday life. I would prefer an average IQ and a far better memory. I don't think IQ is reliable on adullts. It's an average between many facet of the personnality.

I don't know my IQ, so I did not vote. I would never take one of those tests because I think they are bunk. The bias in standardized tests of all kinds has been proven a zillion times over, but for some reason, they keep using them. Who wants a number attached to thier intellegence anyway?

Hey, bekindtoedward, what do they call the guy who graduated at the bottom of his class in medical school? They call him Doctor. Just try your best, and definitely seek professional evaluation. I am totally impressed with your perseverance in sticking with med school!

WWC, they have Reader's Digest here, too and it is great. I could read it cover to cover. Of course, I'd start on page 42, skip to 89, then go back to the first article.

I like math also. I love the concepts, especially geometry proofs. I always found them so clean and satisfying. Weird, huh? I can understand complex concepts, but when I am working problems, I always mess up because I'll just carelessly put that 3X6=9 in an early step and be fouled up.

LMBO, jimmmaaa, "scattered-shot logic" I've never heard that phrase before, I love it and I'm gonna assimilate it into my everyday vocabulary! Linear thinkers may see it as a contradiction in terms, but we know what's up!

Any time hun...thanks for joining:D

thanks flakeygurl. hehe, ur talk made me wanna drink my coffee and start studying... i feel i've already wasted 95% of my time though :(. some things i just can't change

Scraped by on the 130. 131. I wish my brain would work that well with everything instead of the constant confusion

The thing to remember about I.Q. tests is that they aren't really that great at measuring intelligence and that they were designed to further the interests of the eugenics movement and justify sterilizing people against their will in the early part of the century.

Personally, I find that a little troubling. Gotta read about it in college history though. I guess they think it's too ant-american to teach in highschool that we sterilized thousands of people in this country for being the wrong ethnicity, indigent, the wrong religion, possibly even for being ADD.

They do have something called the theory of multiple intelligences they are playing with getting a test together for. It would be far more accurate as it isn't about what you know, but about what you can learn and do, and what styles of learning and doing best suit you. As a test it promises to also give better representation to persons with learning disabilities as it identifies them their effects. Mind you I last read about this years ago, so it may already be in use somewhere or be back burnered entirely.

E-boy. there's this is online IQ test. not sure how valid it is as an IQ test... it tells you stuff like "you're a visual linguist" depending on yer score and which part of the test u scored best at. again since it's online and sells you stuffs at the end of it, i'm not sure of its validity.

Maybe the nature of the tests is the point. I've always done well on standardized tests, because I would just get all locked-in and get it done. Other tests have been mediocre, mostly because I have such a hard time not whipping-through it, and taking my time with each answer. I did really well on IQ tests as a kid. That and $1.50 doesn't even get me a bus ride to somebody's house who cares ;)

I thought I did awful on an IQ test but came out high. I thought it was a bunch of crap, as it required knowlege on some questions.
Those were the two I got wrong. When we were little my brothers were tested, they were 2 and 4 years older than me and I wasn't tested then.
I had this neighbor who had a crush on my husband whom was brilliant and was always giving me books to pass on to him, as they were above me. She considered my husband her intellectual equal. I never let her get under my skin as my husband couldn't stand her. One day she came galloping over with an Iq test that seemed valid and wanted me to take it, she bragged her score. So I did it more out of curiosity than a contest. I never told her my score, it drove her mad! I just told her that I didn't want her to feel bad!
I dislike IQ test because they can't measure empathy, creativity,
intuitivity, self awareness and so on. I had a friend that would sew incredibly and make lace, I was amazed at her ability to complete such intricate work. I thought of her as brillant, but the IQ test can't measure her type of brillance, she was definetly not ADD

I have NO clue what my IQ is.
Will have to check on that... and get back to ya....lol

Vickie

I see no correlation between IQ and my capabilities.
I was tested in grade school and the result does not correlate to my ability to do things.

Bekind,

DO you know of a website where I can take an IQ test so that I might answer your question...I am a bit curious myself.

Yeah.... there has to be a website.
I'm curious too.

Too be "valid", and believe me when I tell you I use that term in the loosest possible sense, an I.Q. test has to be administered by qualified personnel under very specific conditions. In other words you can't take a "real" I.Q. test on-line. Being as they are about useless, used for naziesque human rights violations when they were found useful, and even the experts find it hard to quantify exactly what it is they tell us, I see no problem with taking one of the numerous I.Q. tests that are not "certified" on the web. Many of them were put together with as much care as the "real deal" some even by PHD's and the like. I can't see how they would be any less revealing or useful than the "real" ones.

It may be that I am being a bit scathing, and not entirely fair about the utility of I.Q. tests. Tell that to all the people never born because of them though. Eugenics was bad business. Eugenics also frowned on ethnically mixed folk like myself, Catholics, Jews, the indigent, minorities... The Eugenics movement folks had a lot in common with the Nazis and the KKK as I remember now... Now why would those folks being connected to I.Q. tests make me uncomfortable?

http://web.tickle.com/tests/superiq/

try that site. i scored a few points higher on this online exam than on the written exam. others who took that online exam also scored a few points higher.

scam or not... figure that out for yourselves ok. enjoy

Hi.

ADHD cuts across all IQ ranges...ALL.( Too bad I can't take them anymore...lol.)

I did pretty good on the online test.
I wonder what's the highest score possible?
The test seems limited. Anyone else feel that way?
also is there not a time limit? I guess I have to pay money to find out what questions I answered incorrectly. Has anyone else taken this a step further?

I had an IQ test last Nov when I was evaluated for school. Some parts have a time limit; to see how many math problems you can do in a specific amount of time; and some parts are timed to see how long it takes to think about something. It showed that I'm not an idiot at least.

I had trouble following the directions, which hurt my score. I had trouble understanding most of the verbal questions, many of which could not be repeated; and that hurt my score. It's very strange to me; the IQ test that was part of an LD assesment was not very LD friendly. We are a hard bunch to test sometimes.

The multiple inteligence theory is being researched last I heard, but as far as a test based on it goes; it is on the back burner. That would be one hell of a test, and the theory makes much more sense.

I agree, IQ tests are very limited; I think they test how well you can take the test. Mine came out 'high average'... average to WHAT? But that's better than I expected when I took the test, it probed many of my weaknesses, and none of my strengths.

I had a learning disability assessment done, consisting of two tests: IQ and an acheivement test.

To be considered having an LD, you have to have more than 5 standard deviations diff between IQ and achievement... which I have.
My IQ was 132 (probably higher, as they noticed I was nervous etc) and my achievement results were in the average range, but the diff made it an LD...

IQ isn't how much you know, but how you process stuff... spelling, visual recognition, visualization, social cues recognition, math, vocabulary, shapes integration were on the IQ test.

Acheivement was measured by checking short term working memory, listening tests, reading tests, and sustained attention tests.

It cost me $1200 Cndn to get it, so I could get accommodations for school. Lovely.

But I guess it was worth it, I wish there was more follow up though, someone to help me figure all the stuff out...

Originally posted by bekindtoedward
Did Einstein have ADD? He was known to be very forgetful yet very intelligent...

It is written in several books that "HE WAS THOUGHT to HAVE HAD ADD " But was it even recognised back then

WHO KNOWS



i'm trying to find out if hyperfocusing has any relation to intelligence... why? coz at the moment coz i'm bored, really bored.

it's my first post here anyway. I'm a 3rd year medstudent. my IQ is 123. i am at the bottom of the class ranking and i can only get myself to study an average of 10-12 hours per week.


Make your self a large poster that says "Do YOU WANT FRENCH FRIES with your BIG MAC"

and put a picture of that little baby( I assume thats your baby)(or maybee its your baby picture of you) right beside the words

then post it so you see it every time you walk out of your study area

I originally posted mine, and then I decided to edit it out. (It's sort of like telling people what your income is).

Originally posted by Garry Lawton



Make your self a large poster that says "Do YOU WANT FRENCH FRIES with your BIG MAC"

and put a picture of that little baby( I assume thats your baby)(or maybee its your baby picture of you) right beside the words

then post it so you see it every time you walk out of your study area

actually she's my younger brother's baby :). she's so cute... ya i might just do that one of these days. tnx for giving me that idea haha..

damn... don't suggest anything like that again hehe. my new avatar.

to sandinmyears: ya i'm guilty of that i guess. i wanted to edit mine too but it took me 1 hour to realize that... twas too late, it couldn't be erased or edited anymore :confused:

I feel weird posting IQ too, I guess cause people could judge you.
I think I have always been terrified of tests because my brothers scored so high, that I didn't want to be the dummy of the family.
I don't really think I am though, just don't think I test well in general.
My mom sent my old SAT scores to me, They were in the 90's. And I remember not being able to focus, and often just making patterns filling in the little ovals. I can't figure out why they were high.

I was really curious about my IQ too (about a month ago), but the "real" ones cost money and take somthing like 5 hours to do... so I searched around online for one. (I'll post the best one I could find later if I remember... lol)

The thing to watch for if you take one online is that it shouldn't require KNOWLEDGE. (math problems, etc shouldn't be on there!!) and I think that they generally try to word all the questions in similar formats so you don't have to do a lot of reading, I may be wrong about that though. They shouldn't test reading abilitiy either... that's why you should be able to take the same test wheather you're a kid or adult.

IQ tests don't really measure intelligence at all - they measure logic and reasoning skills... the one I took wasn't great though either - they gave the answers at the end and you self-score it:

i mis-interpreted 2 or 3 of the questions (all worded the same way) and also some of the answers I have to disagree with because a second choice really DID work in some cases. (in all I think I would have argued with about 5 of the questions - the rest that I got wrong, I can see why I got them wrong now, and i definatley deserved it.)

anyway, yeah... I have heard about the multiple intelligences theory - I agree that it sounds much more wholistic....
I want to take a test for that!!! lol (not that it really means very much anyway... I still am who I am!!)

I've had some kinda philosophical discussions about "what intelligence is" with my boyfriend... also some debates about what is a "value," what makes a person worth somthing, etc...

It's OBVIOUS that intelligence has nothing to do with a person's worth, and we also established that it isn't a "value." Of course, you have to define intelligence first, which is pretty hard to do... I cant' really remember what we decided fit the defination, but I think it had somthing to do with being able to synthesize (put two pieces of information together). I think that is the reason that IQ tests go after logic... becuase that's pretty much the most fundamental building block you can have. It's one of the most difficult things to improve, although I am convinced that it is possible...

Intelligence (as the IQ tests define it) is definatley unrelated to creativity, problem solving skills, language, learning, intuition... etc...
but that doens't mean that these other things are worthless!! (duh!!) they're just other skills. none of them are VALUES - the morals of a person lie in what they choose to do with their skills. (tons of examples of this in history and everyday life... for example, hitler's understanding of social theory (if that's what it's called? lol - i'm an engineering major... I'm not supposed to know this stuff...) his intelligence could have lead in many directions, or none at all.)
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one of the arguments for the opposite side (that intelligance IS a value) is that "people with more intelligence can generally have a larger impact on the world if they decide to do good things with it." The idea was that doing good things for a larger number of people (for example - if you save a million lives somehow; maybe a cure for cancer) then that is to be more valued than only saving a fewlives becuase you could only come up with another method of TREATING cancer.
the problem with that argument though is that the bredth of impact really has nothing to do with values... (or at least we decided that)
- pretty much everyone seems to agree that even the smallest kind action is to be valued. It's pretty tough to say that one thing has more value than another. morals can't really be measured... (although I've seen attempts!! lol - engineers try to quantify EVERYTHING...)

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anyway... I know this is long and boring, but I just wanted to throw that out there.

Disclaimer: I have very little background in philosophy and the social sciences... there's probably a lot of much better arguments out there, and I could be completely off!!

oh yeah - so my main POINT was that not only does IQ not mean that much, but INTELLIGENCE ITSELF doens't mean that much.

A lot of people do value it though which sucks...
why would you value a persons skill at knitting more than a person's skill at cooking or fixing cars?

unfortunately I'm guilty of it myself... I value intelligence more highly than ANY of my other good traits (like hard work, creativity, problem solving) That's one of the reasons I wanted to take the IQ test so badly... I wanted to see if I was really smart or not. I've spent a lot of time thinking about it... and I was really scared to even TAKE the test for fear that I was "stupid," and therefore not as good in my own mind. A lot of that kind of thinking comes from my dad - he is really really smart, and I always compared myself to him (and to my brother... and to all my friends...)

you see it every day - even the title of the book - "you mean I'm not crazy lazy or stupid?!" is implying and reinforcing the idea that being stupid is bad... (because they group it with laziness - of course I'm not even really sure that being lazy is a value either... I will have to think about that one!! lol)

so as ADDers we read the book, and think, oh yay!!! I'm not stupid!! True that many of us are not, but as McTavish said, ADD cuts across all intelligence groups, so some of people are BOUND to be smarter than others. I don't want to pass any judgements here!! (on either end) I'm not saying that people with either higher OR lower IQ's are bad or not worth as much!! I just want to make that clear.

I think that an IQ of 100 is supposed to be average - there is nothing WRONG with being "below average!" even WAYYYY below average. In school they assign grades, and if you are below average that's bad... but that's because there is a lot that you really do have control over. (for example, working hard) You DON"T have control over your intelligence - so how can anyone assign worth to it???

ok, sorry!!! I'm done ranting....
(can you tell that I have a lot of negative self-esteem over this?)

I hope I didn't kill this thread!

Originally posted by bekindtoedward
http://web.tickle.com/tests/superiq/

try that site. i scored a few points higher on this online exam than on the written exam. others who took that online exam also scored a few points higher.

scam or not... figure that out for yourselves ok. enjoy

The test here is by emode.com, and from my experience, this test seems to have a ceiling of around 140. Let me know if I am off on this. But I believe this to be true. For those who are wondering why their score is not as high as it should be, this is probably the problem.

I guess they cannot make anyone feel as if they are profoundly superior. :D

Originally posted by Christiana
oh yeah - so my main POINT was that not only does IQ not mean that much, but INTELLIGENCE ITSELF doens't mean that much.

A lot of people do value it though which sucks...
why would you value a persons skill at knitting more than a person's skill at cooking or fixing cars?



While some may value intelligence itself, usually it is the traits associated with intelligent people that are valued, not the intelligence itself. For example, I value a person's willingness to learn (especially on their own). Although this is not intelligence, I would assume the rate of occurance of this trait positively corrolates with intelligence to a degree.

On a side note, people do tend to value talent, or what is done with intelligence, as opposed to intelligence itself. Most people tend to value talents that they can relate to. One may value another's talent at a sport more than some esoteric talent that they do not understand.

I agree with everything you said except that certain traits tend to follow with intelligence. I have conflicting opinions on that...

1) (disagree because) It doens't make sense that a given trait would occur more or less often in people with varying intelligences. Not to say that traits are completely random... but even using a very simplified model with only 4 types of people (good/smart, bad/smart, good/not smart, bad/not smart) it does seem like the distrubution between the different types would be about even.

2) (agree because) it is completely possible to devolp traits (such as hard-working-ness) based on the traits that you already have (like intelligence). But on the other hand, many intelligent people become lazy becuase they don't have to work as hard, and many not-so-intelligent people become very hard working because they cannot ride on intellect alone. I guess it would depend more on the environment you're put in... (since people tend to rise or fall to the norm)

I guess my overall opinion is that I disagree...


On a side note, people do tend to value talent, or what is done with intelligence, as opposed to intelligence itself.

that is definately true - talents, morals, skills, etc - I think are all valued... what I meant to say is that it is unfair to place a higher value on intelligence than other important aspects of a person. Also... I think it's bad to associate other traits with intelligence that really have nothing to do with it... that's where people fall into stereotypes associating stupid with "poor, lazy, bad"
when in reality there are lots of kind, hardworking people who are completely illogical or just can't think quickly on their feet. (not to say that you have those stereotypes or that that's what you were even talking about!!)

I agree completely on everything else :)

xav,

You aren't alone in your love of math. I was so easy for me in college that every time I wanted to change my major and try something new I would take another calculus class of some sort because it would be something I could get an A in without trying too hard and I could focus most of my attention on the new subject.

Both of my boys (10 yrs, ADHD, and 13 yrs ADD) are math oriented with my 13 year old being a "mathlete". He has been on a championship math team for two years now.

We all have high IQ's. My children score off the scale on various tests the schools give. My 13 year old is off the scale in Math on most of these tests.

My 10 year old has some LD issues which make school diffucult for him. So until I had him tested and could prove his intelligence to his teachers they weren't so ready to see that he was gifted because of his tendency to speak out when he shouldn't etc.

I think the majority of people I have met with ADD/ADHD are highly intelligent people. We just come across in a different way than "slower" people. It is harder for us to get across what we are trying to say on some of these tests and in some of the formats that are out there.

It is akin to the cultural barriers that some felt were present in tests like the standardized tests kids take in school. Where urban kids and rural kids don't learn the same things and don't speak the same way. So they way the questions on the test are formed aren't fair to all kids.

If you can read a drivers license test to someone who doesn't speak english, why can't you come up with another way of testing kids who are add/adhd when it comes to standardized testing?

High functioning, about the limits of the test, I think it must stop someshere in the 140's too. How do you come to think this?
Is it really so few that score above 140?
I am very mystified by the intelligence thing.
It does seem that mentle illnesses and oddities in the human condition are more frequent among the so called intelligent.
Perhaps a large percentage of the mentally ill, are untestable?

What would a test be like that measured creativity?
How about altruism? (I guess we get a lot of chances daily to be altuistic)
I always thought we should have a heart-o-meter and that all people wishing to be elected to political office should have to pass first. So we could measure their love and respect for others.

A greed geiger, would be an important test for political candidates.

I am also very curious about electrical energy amonst humans.
Some people I can feel their energy field very strongly, others not.
I want to start expermenting with that in correlation to different variables.
I love noticing the little differences in my students. There are so many varibles. So mANY types of bright people.
So many are so bright in one area but unable to focus in the next.
Interesting how many people question what they hear musically to the extent that they can't reproduce the same few tones. While most spontaneous people will often rattle them off. Yet if you find a spontaneous insecure person.. .. I find such interesting correlations on body shapes and the way people use there bodies in violin playing. Blah.. Blah... Blah got to go... does anyone relate to these interests I have????

Originally posted by janine
How do you come to think this?


Well, I took the test and wondered why I didn't score as I would on other tests (I got a 136 on this test), especially since the questions from the E-mode test seemed quite simple. I figure that I couldn't have errored on more than 2. Maybe I could have, I do tend to overlook things. So I decided to reverse engineer the test. I went through and looked at the questions that I could have possibly errored on. Then in a brute force attempt (selecting each answer on each of the offending questions), I was able to max out at 140.

You are right on how IQ tests do not correctly measure intelligence, especially since many of the highly intelligent have a mental disorder (I have seen a statistic that 25% of everyone with an IQ greater than 130 has a mental disorder). I once found an IQ test online that was self scoring. The first time, my score was only 134. After scoring and reviewing, my score would have been about 158 if I hadn't misread any of the questions.

IQ tests like these are useless for people like us. These tests are truely accurate for people within 1 s.d. of the mean, and maybe even 2 s.d. (not this test, though) You must remember that most of the gifted are not universally gifted. One may score profoundly high on one portion (breaking the ceiling) and scoring average on the other portions. That is why a full scale IQ score of 140 is often not very accurate, even if the full scale IQ ceiling is 164 (s.d. 16).

Interesting, I figured I for sure got one wrong on the emode test, I guessed on it as I was out of patience, i couldn't figure it out the first time around and went back to it at the end I bet the answere was right under my nose too! I felt quite sure on the others. So I may have got 2 wrong tops. But likely only one.
If you look at the personals on that site it lists under peoples personals the tests they have taken, I noticed that they put for instance 130-144 in one catagory. But I never found a higher catagory. It was interesting as then you could (supposedly) pick out more likely an intellectual equal, for dating. I took a personality test there that seemed more precise than I expected.
You have to pay to get the more intricult results though, as with the IQ test.
I had wondered if you paid, cause then perhaps they would tell you what questions were answered incorrectly. I guess now you didn't.
I am still curious if I got more than one wrong and what it was. I am not paying though.
Thanks for resonding High Func.
j9

The max IQ for the emode/tickle test is 144.

There are two key components to these types of tests.
1. Comprehension of the problem/quesion posed.
2. Ability to come to a correct answer.

Should you wish, I could dig up some of the more challenging IQ tests I have taken that test IQs from 120-160, and 140 to 180.

The one testing the 140+ was simply insane. I dont know anyone who could even answer 1/3 of the questions on that test.

Dont read anything into IQ. It is only one skill out of dozens we need to get by in life. It just happens to be the one that is easily measured.

My "high" IQ and $1.50 will get me a cup of coffee.

Charles

I have to agree with fasttalkingmom, I was diagnosed ADD and mild OCD (mild LOL) last year at the tender age of 34, anyway back to the point :) I hated school - due to not being able to keep my attention, boredom, day dreaming etc so I ended up playing truant a lot, cos I felt school was a waste of time cos of my problems, which also crushed my self esteem - cos I grew up believing I was stupid cos of my ADD problems.

I still have no confidence, low self esteem and believe I'm stupid, though I know I'm not, but because of my attention problems and my inability to read books, I always give up...

Sorry for going on, I seem to have lost the plot now ;) anyway that is why I think IQ testing is useless unless you did well at school and wish to test yourself, for people like me who couldn't cope with school because of LD's then it's a waste of time.
It only tests the educated and as we all know, the educated ones aren't necessarily the intelligent ones ;) Hope this makes sense to someone.

I try to remember that iq testing is a very subjective thing. the 'science' of measuring someone sintelligence is quirky at best. I have officialy been tested at one level, been tested at a slightly lower level, took an online on that said it was even lower and took another online that said it was even higher than when firsttested in third grade. i figure this, Im a creative thinker, thats all i need to know.

Some of us are intuitive thinkers, some are more linear, etc. the beauty that comes form this is we have so many others who may think in a way we dont and vice versa. I try to use that knowledge to get the information I need and to get done what i need to get done, or to see somehting in a way i didnt see it before.

and xav, my son who has not been diagnosed but seems he may need on because he is beginning to have add like issues get in the way of his life at seventeen, adores math, and goes to a sciences and engineering high school. he surpassed me in math at about fifth grade. he has always been symptomatic of add and was dx with perceptual awareness thing a ma jig in school ( dysgraphia in his case) he has issues spelling and reading but give him numbers, angles, art work, etc, and the boy eats it up and spits it out.

Originally posted by FlakeyGirl
WWC, they have Reader's Digest here, too and it is great. I could read it cover to cover. Of course, I'd start on page 42, skip to 89, then go back to the first article.
Heh, I'm guilty of doing that myself... sometimes I've wished my thinking style was just a bit more linear so I could get through more books from cover to cover.

I like math also. I love the concepts, especially geometry proofs. I always found them so clean and satisfying. Weird, huh? I can understand complex concepts, but when I am working problems, I always mess up because I'll just carelessly put that 3X6=9 in an early step and be fouled up.
That is so me. I love algebra and to some extent even calculus, but in working problems, I always mess up on the really simple arithmetic. I've never been good at basic addition and multiplication, for some odd reason... Give me a simple four-function calculator, though, and I'm all set. :D

LMBO, jimmmaaa, "scattered-shot logic" I've never heard that phrase before, I love it and I'm gonna assimilate it into my everyday vocabulary! Linear thinkers may see it as a contradiction in terms, but we know what's up!
Heh, yes! In the Myers-Briggs personality types, I'm an intuitive thinker (NT)... and though that sounds like quite a contradiction, to be both intuitive and logical, it actually describes my thinking style quite well. It's just a shame that the abbreviation 'NT' is also used for 'neurotypical'... that's caused quite a bit of confusion in some of the forums I'm on. :)

I don't think IQ'scores are showing anything but how good you are at logical thinking. I read slow. Can't read too much text on one page or I'll get distracted, I get tired very easily (fall asleep reading or writing - I almost fell alseep during the TOVA test!!! After just 7 minutes!), I have learningproblems. I takes FOREVER to learn new things for me. I've finnished highschool (only took me 5 years!) No collage or university, I tried but failed miserably. But I made an IQ-test when I got my adhd/ts dx. I've got an logic IQ of 170 and a visual of 150... yeah right. WHERE?!!!! In my *** propably. But the doc told me that if my inattention would be rated it'd make me have an IQ like a worm... 20!!!

I don't think IQ-tests show how smart you are or how far you'll get in life. IQ-test show how good you figure out puzzles and crosswords.

The thread might be useful so I'll contribute. I read some of the posts, skimmed some, and skipped some.

To answer the original question, my IQ is 150 (school test).

My history is one of pushing deadlines to the limit and then going into hyperfocus or overdrive (depending on the situation) for 10-60 straight hours. My results would usually be good - but not as good as they could have been. And the effort often caused a lot of discomfort - the second "through the night" was almost always painful. (I use the word "overdrive" when describing pushing physical limits - crosscountry on a motorcycle at speed with no sleep, hiking out of the mountains after dark, etc.)

Several posts seemed to show that some people don't understand what an IQ test really measures. I'm 58, and when I was a kid IQ tests were pretty routine. I've also taken unofficial IQ tests over the years just for entertainment. Sometimes I score a little higher and sometimes a little lower.

To possibly add to the understanding what IQ measures, it seems to me that it tests how well a mind reacts or adjusts to new input. Questions showing an unusual view of a foot (is it R or L?), sequence patterns, graphic "what doesn't fit", etc. It does NOT measure knowledge, success, goodness, perseverance, or anthing else.

My IQ didn't help me figure out that I had ADD. After I was DX'ed 2 years ago I realized that my desk had been isolated in every grade school class I could remember, and I was the only one. I didn't have ADHD, just ADD, but I would talk a lot! I didn't even realize it, so it didn't really cause me any problems. I was lucky - I was usually the teacher's pet even though I was obviously a PITA to them.

One of the best definitions of science I ever heard was that it was not at all as simple as "The Scientific Method". If it was, Humanity would still be very much in the dark ages. Results are viewed as more than the sum of their data. If data were all humans could see we would be very limited in our scientific knowledge, and applications thereof indeed. No, we filter this data, through theories, and don't fool yourself for a moment into thinking there is not a creative element at work in science, because there is. It has everything to do with the way we look at the world and interpret that data. Darwin's theory of natural selection is probably the most successful scientific theory ever, in the sense that it has withstood repeated challenges over the course of going on two hundred years and remained essentially unchanged. The weird part is, is that Darwin's theory while it withstood every major challenge to it's validity as a theory, didn't gain widespread acceptance for over 100 years, well after his death. He saw the available data in a different light. It took everyone else a little while to catch up.

Originally posted by janine

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What would a test be like that measured creativity?


The question you had about creativity.
When I did my adhd/ts tests my doc almost fell off her chair. I apparantly made the puzzles and everything in amazing speed. When all the tests were over she gave me another puzzle. She just told me to make a house of it. It took me three minutes and she almost choked. It was not in the real test yet, she was just trying it out to see how some ppl figure it out. It took her almost 30 minutes to make it. And she tested that puzzle on the (VERY educated and experienced) doctors in the house. Noone managed to puzzle it togeather under 10 minutes. She told me this was a test to see how creative you are and how easily you get stuck in your thoughts. If you don't get stuck you'll make the puzzle very fast! There is no obvious way to put the pieces togeather, it's not a normal puzzle and every piece can fit another even if it's wrong. (You'll have the picture of the house so that you know you're building it the right way.) But my attention is about 5 minutes, if I hadn't made it faster than that I'd given up!

Okay so I cheated........I took one on line.........and came up with above 140 but I used paper..................shhhhhhh don't tell anyone............

I have done several IQ tests and have been given the iq score of 75,although not had it done professionally but hope to so I can go back to education with the best start.

To Emma S:
My doc told me if my inattention was counted my IQ would be like 20! She said you can't measure IQ in an adhd-person because the lack of attention for longer periods and because of the uneven results in the tests. Most "real" IQ-tests are to be done in 45 minutes or something. NO WAY I can sit there for that long. 10 minutes MAX! If you want to know your real IQ-score you should do the test togeather with a doc. They know how to make the tests if you have attentionproblems. I did an IQ-test before my dx and got an IQ of 72. Now my shrink told me the highest score was 170 and the lowest 70! That's typical adhd to have a great differance between your best and lowest results in different types of IQ! Maybe your logic IQ is 75 but you have a very high visual IQ or verbal IQ?

Just to add my 2 cents about IQ tests and ADHD...

First off, I would like to state that the following has absolutely no basis in any published research or study that I know of. It's based on a few things I've learned recently in classes that I've been tossing around in my brain.

Someone made a comment about the choices of which things 'fit' in groups or patterns. Well, I had a discussion with this a while back with a friend--the traditional IQ test would give you a group of objects, say.....chair, desk, table, paper. The logical 'outlier' would be paper--it's not a piece of furniture. And the test would be graded to follow that.

But, you could also argue that, say, table is the outsider. Because chair, desk, and paper are all things related to office/school. Or, you could argue that it's chair, because paper, table, and desk can all be use to put things on.

The theory that has been bouncing around in my brain is related to an idea of schemata. Schemata being defined as the connections in our brains that relate a cluster of concepts/ideas/events. For example, 9/11 relates to terrorism which relates to bin Laden...and 9/11 also relates to NYC, and FDNY and Guiliani...ect.

Well, I was thinking that it seems to me that in a lot of ways ADD types have a different set of connections. It's less linear. For example, take the thing paper. A linear person might see paper and connect it to pen, pencil, books, writing, work, ect.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would see paper and possibly follow a connection like this: Paper, books, paperback books, the song paperback writer by the beatles, england, harry potter, pumpkin juice, pumpkin pie, thanksgiving, pilgrims, colonialism, india, ghandi....and end up in a COMPLETELY different place than a linear thinker.

Basically, my theory (rambling though it took to get there, I know), is that people with ADD may score lower on IQ tests simply because they look at patterns and groupings in a non-traditional way. That would explain a lot of things, both about people with ADD and non-linear thinkers.

After all, let's not forget that some of the greatest thinkers and inventors have been called crazy and stupid.

Hi,
I have done 2 IQ-Tests in my life. The first result was 124, the second 114. I think that is pretty different. That I am not more stupid than the rest I knew before. So the result doesn´t change anything.

I visited a Grammar School in Germany. It was a very hard time. My teachers liked me a lot because I was a calm pupil. And that was good in a class of 31 pupils.
Very quickly I realized that I can make best grades just when I am listening to the lesson. But how much I tried...no chance to keep attention. Although I came through somehow.

When I was 18 I started my studies for nursary. It was the same. In the lessons, I was not able to listen. I read newspapers, made crosswords, wrote letters or dreamt.
Then, 6 months before my exams, I first had this "hyperfocus". I started learning, reading books... I still do not know why, and I never had that before or after. I studied after waking up, on the bus to school, in parks, in my breaks... nearly everywhere and everytime for nearly 6 months.

My girl-friend and my family did not understand what was going on with me - and I didn´t myself. But I just was afraid of stopping - I didn´t want to loose this energy.

13 years later I got my diagnosis ADD without hyperactivity.

Excuse my English, I´m not pracising ;)

LG,
manic

The logical 'outlier' would be paper--it's not a piece of furniture. And the test would be graded to follow that.

But, you could also argue that, say, table is the outsider. Because chair, desk, and paper are all things related to office/school. Or, you could argue that it's chair, because paper, table, and desk can all be use to put things on.



THIS is exactly what I was thinking when I took the test!! I just couldn't say it as precisely as you did... but yes - I completely agree. I dont' understand how it's even possible to put those kinds of questions into an IQ test, since the associations are so subjective!! At first, that's what I thought anyway. Then I realized that linear thinkers who write the tests problaby see associations like "all pieces of furnature" as the only possibility. I feel mean to say that, but how could they possibly expect people to come up with the same "right" answer every time unless they also think that way?

One of the questions that was on the test I took had to do with baseball. I was sitting there scratching my head, thinking - what if you don't KNOW baseball?? what if you aren't American? or maybe you're from another planet and wouldn't even know any of our sports at all? I mean, how can they expect you to draw associations from topics that you don't even understand very well? I know most of the questions arne't cultural, but there are definately some. I'm sure that there are cultures where people wouldn't see much connection between two objects simply becusae they aren't used the same way.

But then... maybe the test I took wasn't a very good IQ test anyway.

I've read that people from most Asian countries tend to think more "wholistically", which Westerners think more in peices/parts. I can't remember any of the details at all, but at the time it made a lot of sense. But anyway, that could definately account for some difference in IQ scores if a wholistic thinker would tend to draw a different connection than a "parts" thinker.

stuff like that...

it bothers me to no end but I guess there's no answer really. I looked back at this thread trying to remember what I'd scored as an IQ, but I never actually posted it!! LOL - i guess that's a sign to me that it DOESN"T MATTER and I should quit caring about stuff like that.

My IQ was measured back in sixth grade. It was 138. Unfortunately, my IQ didn't help me out much in school; or every day life, for that matter. It's not how high your IQ is, it's whether you use your intelligence to benefit yourself or others. Besides, I think those tests only measure your learning capability - and not very accurately.

While intelligence is very important, I think intellect (using what you know) is even more important.

Cyndi

p.s. Xav, I don't like math. I seem to do pretty well with certain types of mathematics though. I excel in science and english. :) If only I did my homework...My test scores bring the grade up a little in class at least. Ciao!

This is great. All of this is about thinking with a metamodel web. There really is a difference in our brains, and you're all describing it one way or another from an experiential point of view. I love it.

IQ tests aren't valid for us. Don't sweat the results, or if they're different one time from another.

Actually, IQ tests aren't valid for anybody, but the results are controlled to make it seem as if they fit at least one group. I posted a dreadfully long and dull rant about it in the "ADD/ADHD is an important part of the bell curve" thread, if anyone's interested.

Does anyone know if math disabilities are prevelant with ADD?

On most "normal" (read, not high range) IQ tests, the questions will tend to be subjective. Unfortunately, it would be quite difficult to do it any other way, as grading an objective test would be an objective task . . . What does this mean? IQ tests are not really a test of intelligence, however, they are a test of estimating the thought patterns of others. I would say that the degree of thought pattern compatability negatively relates to the level of creativity present in the individual or individuals.

If this is true, what would this mean? Well, a possible theory is that NT, average linear thinkers are more predictable with respect to thought patterns than everyone else, including the gifted, ADDers, etc, and thus are easier to estimate with subjective tests, such as an IQ test.

In reality, the questions asked on a normal IQ test tend to be cognitively easy, but often require attention to minute details, such as the exact wording of the question. Also, IQ tests are not generally scored with respect to question difficulty. Some questions may be worth less points than others, but that generally does not make much of a difference. Of main significance (as weighting of individual questions tend not to be significant) is the number of questions answered correctly, not the hardest question answered. With this and the fact that many of the questions are not of top-down nature, it can be assumed that IQ tests are specifically designed for NT, average linear thinkers . . .

Unfortunately, as stated before, objective tests are not realistic and it has been known that the intelligence of highly creative (or anyone nonlinear in general) people is extremely difficult.

Hey, HighFunctioning:

"IQ tests are not really a test of intelligence... they (are) estimating the thought patterns of others..."

Yup, you really nailed that one. But this can be a little tricky. The patterns you refer to are not just some blind abstract arrangement of neural interconnections. They're the abstract models that form the actual apparent physical reality inhabited by the person taking the test.

And there are a few intermediate complications. We all have (and believe we inhabit) these abstract models, called collectively the common model, and there are largely unrecognized low level behavioral drivers that serve to keep these models synchronized and (within limits) actually common.

IQ tests are partly designed to measure the quality of the function of these behavioral drivers by attempting to gauge how successful the test subject is at synchronizing his or her version of the common model. It attempts to do this by making a second order comparison of the test subject's common model. But with what? The answer is, of course, with a reference model, the reality model of the people responsible for creating the test.

But there are cultural differences in the common model (yes, that means cultural differences in reality itself). This accounts for cultural bias in the results, but the knowledge does little good because a lower score due to a different common model doesn't measure anything at all.

It's not a measure of how well the test subject gets the reference model, nor is it a comparative measure of the two common models. And it is certainly not a measure of how good anyone taking the test is at building common models, which is probably the thing closest to the original intent. So there is no way to remove or correct for the apparent bias.

We can assume that the same kind of bias is present in the test results of any group that has a significant shift in their common model, compared to the reference model of the test in question. And if anyone thinks that description doesn't fit us ADDers, then they just aren't paying attention. ( grin…)

This is also likely to be a strong component of the bias that correlates with creativity, perhaps the main component. And I think that makes sense. We ADDers are people starting to use a different logical structure to model reality, one which allows the apparently nonlinear leaps of thought that are at the core of most creative effort. We regard this as one of two primary experiential effects of an ongoing evolutionary event, and in evolutionary terms, ongoing means several thousands of years. ADD and creativity may not have always been due to the same underlying process, but in recent history (certainly as long as IQ tests have been around) it seems very likely to be the case.

By the way, the function of that logical structure is very easy to understand, and it is also easy to see why thinking with it seems nonlinear. But it really isn’t, or it would be much more difficult to use. The closest actual physical description is that it’s multidimensional, whereas ordinary linear thinking is flat by comparison. But there are other differences as well, such as efficiency, which we believe is related to the whole shrunken brain/Ritalin thing, and a dramatically expanded range for ordinary experiential reality.

Which, of course, only makes the tests seem even less appropriate.

I took an on-line IQ and it told me that I am highly organized!!!!! hahahahahah I'm as ADD...disorganized as you can get...I'm really laughing outloud that that test!!!

Originally posted by emtchick
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After all, let's not forget that some of the greatest thinkers and inventors have been called crazy and stupid.

I've been thinking about this idea lately...

Anyone who is going to come up with something revelatory is not likely going to come from the ranks of "Joe and Jane Average."

There's absolutely no shortage of same tired perceptions of the world out there. The revolutionaries are simply NOT LIKELY to come from the ranks of the normals.

How likely is it that something that throws the world on its ear, like Einstein's theory of relativity, comes from a normal or someone who quite possibly cannot perceive the world the same as everyone else?

One thing that got me thinking about this, I work in the trading and investment management industries, was that a very large number of the really GOOD people at trading or creating trading systems seem to have wrestled with a learning disorder or two.

Which got me thinking,

"Heck, I suppose that makes sense. Because it is absolutely no stretch for them to perceive the markets differently. They have absolutely no choice. The stretch for them is to make it here in the first place (i.e. conquering school).

But pity the poor normals. I imagine it would be a stretch for them to perceive things differently enough to create a trading strategy or system that would matter. School, hanging out in corporate America is no problem. But the creative aspect is the struggle."

I guess the point of all this is that I would be much more amazed if something like "only the most normal of the typicals turn out to be good inventors or come up with revolutionary ideas."

Now if that was true ... that would be truly shocking.

Well, it's like Thom Hartmann says. Having ADD is like having a dragon on a leash. It may take some time taming it, but once tamed it can be extremely useful.

As for IQ:

Both myself and my brother have ADD. We have each had short stints in Mensa as dues paying members (not recommended) so .. 140+ I guess.

IQ tests are stupid. Nobody would dream about describing someone elses mind in only a page of text. But a number,... NO PROBLEM!

duh.

You did that Mensa thing? How was it? I got rushed by the local chapter when I was at CMU; they kind of freaked me out, and I backed away, smiling.

We are pretty sure that there has been a significant event going on for the last 10,000 years or so, with a steep acceleration over the last few hundred, and again over the last 50.

What we see is a slight change in the way the brain works, and the difference is either caught and fought or embraced, more or less willingly.

That is the nature of an emergent system, one that seems to change drastically all of a sudden after a long smooth period of gradual transformation.

There are a lot of effects, spread over pretty much all of the variety of ordinary experience. But one of the main ones involves a subtle change in the way the brain stores and analyzes information, using a structure called a metamodel web.

If a person uses a web, their experience is richer in an important way: things are perceived as having an additional dimension, the metalevel.

"Seeing" metalevels isn't obvious to either the observer or another person observing them see it. But it allows you to perceive differences that are invisible or at least ambiguous to a normal.

Much of what you mention, people with borderline learning disabilities having a truly unique view, can be traced to the use of this structure. It's also one reason that what they did isn't easy to repeat in another context, even though it may seem obvious when examined.

We also believe that it's a major factor in the range of symptoms attributed to ADD/ADHD, and much of the reported physical brain stuff as well.

And this: not thinking with a metamodel web is almost certainly what's responsible for Microsoft's repeated production of exactly the same kinds of bugs in their systems, no matter how hard they try.

Some fun, hey?

Originally posted by Christine7777
I took an on-line IQ and it told me that I am highly organized!!!!! hahahahahah I'm as ADD...disorganized as you can get...I'm really laughing outloud that that test!!!
:D
I have been called a maths expert on one IQ test and I have an ld in maths,and clicked buttons randomly.

I would trust a politician sooner than an online IQ test.

An interesting article i read outlines the differences in treatment for add/adhd. Somewhere it mentions that adhd ppl get more time to complete an I.Q. test.
I have never completed an I.Q. test but still come out between 112 and 116. Just my 2 cents.

I'm a severe hyper-focuser, become locked into information tasks for periods of 6+ hrs. sometimes and often go full nights without sleep when hyperfocusing on personal/social matters. Most of the entrance exams for the "respected" IQ societies peg me in the 157-167 range.

Originally posted by bluesman
I have never completed an I.Q. test but still come out between 112 and 116. Just my 2 cents.

OK... I don't want this to sound combative in any way, but if you have never completed an IQ test, then how did you get a score for one?? You can't have an IQ score without an IQ test. Simple as that. Anyone can make up a number.

I'm a Mensan myself. 142, but I don't put a lot of stock in what that number actually translates to. On the contrary, everyone I know who is a Mensan, with *one* singular exception (not me) is either diagnosed ADD/ADHD, or messed up in some other way.... depression, etc. And in fact if you ever go to a group meeting with Mensans there, you see a lot of people who are under-employed at best, and others who are socially inept or otherwise social "misfits". I guess what I'm saying here is that a high IQ, even though it may be an accurate measure, doesn't guarantee success in life, career, or other areas. And that goes for me as well.

First, my I.Q. isn't so low that I would presume to make up a number. What I meant was that I have taken them, but did not complete them in the alloted time. You still get a score. It was an allusion to the fact that I read an interesting article that stated adhd ppl get extra time to finish.

Secondly, society and social situations are not based on intelligence or morals, therefore the superintelligent probably wouldn't fit in.

I won't say that I don't want to sound combative in any way, but rather, i'm currently untreated, and since I stopped self med, i'm a bit grouchy, testosteronic and maybe reacting to slights, real or imagined. :)

No combativeness intended :)

Jeeze, most of the poll responders are over 130! I'm guessing the non-geniuses chose not to participate.

I ordered up old school transcripts and got 114 in 6th grade, 117 in 8th grade then 108 in 9th grade when I was skipping class & messing up.

Here's some info about IQ tests:
http://www.psychologicaltesting.com/iqtest.htm
Basically 1/2 of it is largely learned school stuff (verbal) and depends on what school you went to and the other half is visual/logic diagrams (non-verbal) then the two are averaged. I scored better on the verbal and was in a good school district.

Here's more info on interpreting other school tests:
http://www.bjup.com/services/testing/brochures_catalogs/guidelines.pdf
It turns out they had my age incorrect on one of the tests. It takes some work to really understand them.

The whole thing makes me feel competitive and wanting to take another I.Q. test. I must be smarter than that :-). I even made up a word and no one mentioned it. Testosteronic - in reference to the male hormone. lol.
School for me was just a place to have fun. Never studied, cut classes, never paid attention etc.
One teacher, though, used to make me stay after school and copy pages from the dictionary.

I noticed it Bluesman. Good word
Remember I Q test are not something you want to base your intelligence on.
Your abilities to face problems, love others, basically survive in this world and keep your uniqueness intact is more of a measure of intelligence in my opinion.

Well, as long as I'm being honest, here. It seems that I'm aways in circles where ppl have a much higher IQ and i seriously suspect mine may be higher than "advertised".
My definition of IQ is a measurement of how much you can learn and how fast.
I'm aware of the psychological impact this test has on, just about, everyone. It's impacting me right now, and I decided long ago to let myself be human and go with what is.

The qualities you mentioned are the qualities I have, so "how come I'm not rich or married"? :) Humor is also a requirement.

Warning... a ramble

Intelligence is not required for wealth or to marry.

We all are born with varying emotional intelligences and raised in different emotional enviroments that help/hinder our ability to use our intelligence/capabilities.

Basically my applied emotional intelligence was -50 while my intellect was high. Emotional intelligence has a much bigger impact on self esteem. I think that has stopped me from bigger successes or healthy relationships.

I really love growing and learning. I am watching my life slowly transform in front of my eyes.

Having a high IQ coupled with ADD can be a rough combination for many I think. Kind of like seeing extreems in so many directions. One sees all the posibilities/ideas for greater successes, but can't apply them.

I feel like I am so interested in so much, I can't channel my energies into one direction, EVERYTHING seems is a distraction, cause most everything is amazing.

Warning... a ramble

Intelligence is not required for wealth or to marry.

We all are born with varying emotional intelligences and raised in different emotional enviroments that help/hinder our ability to use our intelligence/capabilities.

Basically my applied emotional intelligence was -50 while my intellect was high. Emotional intelligence has a much bigger impact on self esteem. I think that has stopped me from bigger successes or healthy relationships.

I really love growing and learning. I am watching my life slowly transform in front of my eyes.

Having a high IQ coupled with ADD can be a rough combination for many I think. Kind of like seeing extreems in so many directions. One sees all the posibilities/ideas for greater successes, but can't apply them.

I feel like I am so interested in so much, I can't channel my energies into one direction, EVERYTHING seems is a distraction, cause most everything is amazing.You are so right about emotional intelligence, in fact most of the latest data suggest that EQ is much more predictive of life success than IQ. Of course I remember this, because I am one smart cookie, but my EQ has been pretty poor. I now have to struggle to remember that the rest of the world lives in a social network, not a linguistic/logical network. I feel like Spock relating to a bunch of mushy humans.

Hello everybody,

In the last number of the "newscientist" magazine ( 19 june 2004 ) there is an article about special brain cells :
" the cell that make us human" about spindle cell who are specialize in social situation qucik handling :

" Area FI also seems to have a role in emotional responses - specificaly our reactions to others"....
"all these situations have something in common -they all represent value judgements within a social situation"

I m asking myself if the multi facets ADD problems can result from an erronous fonctionnement of the special cells .
This article talks about autists and schizophrenic but nothing about ADD.

If ADD suffer from an abnormal way of processing social situation may be that why we boost our rationnal intelligence : to compensate.
May be we try to better understand the situations that are difficult to "feel" spontaneously.

Has anyone additional information ?

Here's another article about the spindle cells:
http://www.sophists.org/article97.html
The last few paragraphs are relevant to your questions.
(actually this was taken from the New York Times)

I haven't read the articles yet, but what xav says about rational intelligence sure hits home. I think my rational intelligence is high because I had to figure it out to compensate for my low social intelligence. Though my rational intelligence has helped create social intelligence. Got to read the articles now.

Interesting artical.
I am wondering what would inhibit the growth or function of the Spindle cells, as they say that they appear around 4 months after birth.
Touch dprivation?
A lack of emoitional mirroring from parents?
Nutrition?

hello,

Thanks for your answers.

This post is just to say what what seems most interesting in the article is when they make distinction beetween two types of social situations :

The first type is when to act you had to "feel" the situation.
If you re not able, you can't respond quickly enough.

In the other hand, the article points many situations when you respond accordingly to your intellectual judgement.

It ' s the first time i read something which may be can explain why i'm out of touch with oher people so often. And it explains also why so many times, hours after the interaction, i'm asking myself " why have i not say this, or think of what and so on...."


I don't have time yet to read sophist.org.

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*It's the first time i read something which may be can explain why i'm out of touch with oher people so often. And it explains also why so many times, hours after the interaction, i'm asking myself " why have i not say this, or think of what and so on...."*

Thankyou Zav!

From the sophist.org article:

“Morality and reason have both grown …from human social emotions.”

“…researchers can point to specific aspects of brain structure that suggest how our forebears came to develop complex social emotions, culture and other quintessentially human behaviours.”

It’s getting closer, but we think they still have it sort of backwards. The social impulse drives the creation of the internal reality model that we all inhabit. They’re nosing around the relationship between the two, but the historic connection works the other way.

Spindle cells don’t seem to us to be so remarkable. If they really develop the way it’s been described, there’s little difference in function, only in scope. They implement an expansion recoding, just like Albus described in the late ‘70’s.

(Everyone’s seen a nut and bolt before, but the first time you see a really big one, eight inches in diameter and four feet long, it seems like a whole different animal.

(But they’re put together with wrenches very much like any other, righty-tighty – lefty-loosey. After ten minutes, it’s not such a big deal. It’s going to be the same kind of thing with spindle cells, unless researchers desperate to find the key to intelligence and consciousness won’t let it go.)

The connections that map the body (also mentioned in the sophists article) are a part of the way we construct our self models. In a sense we borrow the physical image of our bodies in order to imagine ourselves. (pun intended…)

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Xav: I think there’s a mistaken idea here. There are lots of reasons to see a lag in response to a social situation, some related to the definition of a response, and some to the logical structures used to analyze the social situation.

And the thing you describe, thinking why didn’t I do this or that (but hours later) is usually a function of your mind working at something that you consider unresolved, and finally spitting out an analysis.

This is pretty common, and reflects the fact that our entire sensory system is driven by deltas. That is, differences; nerves only respond well to differences, not absolutes. That is reflected in every aspect of the working of our brains, minds, and models of reality and ourselves.

So in a way, what we don’t understand is what we remember, or hold on to. We gnaw on the memory of whatever that is until some sense can be made of it. When that happens, the whole thing usually comes back, with the answer intact and waiting.

We believe the difference between the two kinds of judgment just reflects the different way that we ADDers use our brains to store and analyze information. The same thing applies to the idea that we compensate for a lack of some sort by relying on intellect. It’s not a lack, and what seems like it might be intellect is just our version of what normals use.

Our emotions are deeper and more complex than a normals, in our experience. And closer to reality, IM(NS)HO.

hello stabile,

I don't think Spindle cells are the only way to explain a lag in social situations answers.
May be there is better explanations. May be there are multiples explanations to take into account ...
I just give the information about this article because i think it can be interresting

As i had say about another subject, i'm think i have very less knowledge about add ( and other facets of humanity )than many people on this forum. I am not related to scientific research in any way. But that's a fact i try to be informed of some trends.

Day after day i try to connect my sensations and my spirit. In this selfish modern world it's a hard job.

When i am in the seas of science, i only hope to take into my fishing net a pattern or two which can put a new light on my cerebral life...to better understand myself and the factors wich shape it.

So, in short, my fuzzy posts are just a way to search some foggy answers...about myself.
For all who migth read this, i don't think it's the only way.
It's just the way i have inside myself.

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Hey, Xav:

Your posts seem pretty clear to us. I’m afraid you’re just going to have to accept the fact that you do know what you’re talking about.

It’s interesting and relevant, informative and engaging. And you seem to have a great abstract grasp of what you’re trying to do with your own head. What exactly were we supposed to complain about? (grin…)

As far as I know, there aren’t any degree programs yet for this stuff. Every contributor to the research has branched out into new territory from more traditional disciplines.

It’s a wide open intellectual world right now, and you’re getting in on the ground floor along with the rest of us. Neat, huh?

To paraphrase Mr. Natural, keep on postin’.

Stabile

Thank for you encouragement,

This morning, as i read anew my posts, i realize ( latly obviously ), i have been a little harsh and not very tacful.

Your remarks are, always interesting and welcome.

I get an e-zine (one of ten or so interst) about inventors. Benjermen Franklin was labled "addle minded" by a teacher. His mother took him out of school and taught him at home. Reading his history as well as his travels he diniently had some add traites. I don't remember where my doctor got the article he once read me, but I do remember that the article (out of Harvard) said the higher in the IQ scale the more add traits are present. You said you had onlt 123 IQ, were you on medication when tested, were you even mentally present when answering questions. My IQ has been measured any where from 140 to "just above a house plant" depends on interest I have in test, what area of intellegance the test covers. Test my spelling ( I have dyslexia ) I have a non existent IQ, put a mechanical task in front of me and off the charts I go. I have worked on cars with people who are machaniacs and they are always suprized at what I "see" I can hear peoblems with my car long before anyone else can, I can also tell the difference between a rock in a tire and a nail, and tell you which tires the objects is in while traveling 80.
While changing my thermostat on my car last year I had a neighbor lady ask where I got my "training"?
"What training?"
"Mechinicial training on cars" she said.
" Car break downs and broken wallets. Not being able to afford to pay some one to fix my car that is the only training I have ever recieved"
IQ and the testing threreof has alot to do with experience, in ADDers even more to do with interest.
Got my computer training the same way. I could afford to buy the book that gives the instructions on how to fix my PC, but don't have the cash to pay someone who went to school. Something breaks it is not like I am going to break it by taking it apart to see if I can figure out how it works. When done it either works or I need a new one. The way I see it I needed a new one when it broke in the first place..

"the article (out of Harvard) said the higher in the IQ scale the more add traits are present"

For a more general point of view, give a look at my new thread about intellectual activity during the youth.

Benjermen Franklin looks like a perfect example. Luckily for him his mother cares for him.

Read you latter

The test here is by emode.com, and from my experience, this test seems to have a ceiling of around 140. Let me know if I am off on this. But I believe this to be true. For those who are wondering why their score is not as high as it should be, this is probably the problem.

I guess they cannot make anyone feel as if they are profoundly superior. :D
I took that same test and i got 142 - which is probably the celing. The reason why the ceiling is that high/low is because after about 3 standard deviations in intelligence you have to design a new test - a purely conceptual one. You either get this concept or you don't. No if's ands or buts, no multiple choice, all essay, and YES the designers are usually the ones who can max out those tests - i.e. there are very few people (in the country) who can test very well in those.

I can only solve 7 of the 40 problems out of the tests for the IQ range of 170+ (where did i get that test now i forget but i use to have a long standing OCD with IQ) and i still get a score around 3 IQ points of all the others i've taken.

Just a little note but IQ is based on statistics, basically it gets exponetially harder to score higher, but the increase in intelligence (IMHO) is still linear.

I think this is the same thing you're talking about:
http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
(I cheated with a calculator & jotting diagrams down)

Your IQ score is 129
This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many questions you answered correctly on the

Classic IQ Test relative to others.

Your Intellectual Type is Word Warrior. This means you have exceptional verbal skills. You can easily make sense of complex issues and take an unusually creative approach to solving problems. Your strengths also make you a visionary. Even without trying you're able to come up with lots of new and creative ideas.

I remember that test. I got 149 on it, I got a logic Iq of 170 when I did a real one on paper at the hospital. I think you should think about that many ppl who do these intenet tests doesn't have english as their language and som word understanding questions are very hard to understand. If the test would have been done in their own language the score would propably be much higher.

My boy friend took that test he scored around 140 as well and he got high score in words as well as logicgestic thinking ( who ever wrote that test certainly hasn't lived with him) he wanted me to take it and I tried but he kept distracting me. I tried to take the test later but wasn't any more interested when boy friend was sleeping. I didn't answer any of the question but memorized them for about a month. Like I said IQ testing of ADDers has a lot to do with interest, as for me there was no interest in answering irrealvent questions as I had enough of that in the health care profession and in parenting adolences(who were hoping to trick me with confusion to get the permission they wanted for something they knew was not permissable) Never worked though as I could be just as confusing twice as quickly I was older had more experience in confusing others.

Funny thing is that I did that test online now and I just answered the first page, I got 109. That is normal IQ. So normal ppl just do half the work? *lol* :D

Very High IQ... Poor job prospects. Although I got a call from my former employer this morning to come in and do some work.

He's ADD too... part of our difficult relationship.

My last four IQ tests I scored in the mid 160's. Now that's professional and Internet sponsered tests. However, you'd never guess it. I can't spell, O have awfull grammer and have never been able to study worth a crap. My strong points are reasoning (spacial) and math as being able to see complex models in my mind. Other then that I have had awful grades in High school and college. Can't consentrate in staff meetings and have the perseption of being brilliant but lazy. I worry about getting fired all the time cause I drift and can't stay on track.

All the IQ in th world can't compansate for the other issues that complicate my life cause of this damn disorder. I'm tring to look at it as an asset but it's not easy.

I just was diagnoised yesterday. I scored incredibly high for ADD and borderline for hyperactivty. It all makes sense now, my life that is, I've learned to compensate for all the symptoms but it still gets in the way. Anger, self medication, low self esteme, and a stiffled carrier are all part of the package.

I'm hoping that Srattera will help. I wanted to start with Ritilan or some other methanphetimine type drug but my doc's are worried about abuse. Any thoughts on the abuse issue? Probally the wrong place for this subject but anyway.

I have a son, age 9, who has ADHD bad and watching him has really helped me come to terms with my issue. I might add that he is very intellegent but has tons of problems too. He can hyper focus but can't make friends or stay on task with anything. I think the high IQ comes with the disorder generaly speaking, at least it helps me cope a little.

Ciao folks

Funny thing is that I did that test online now and I just answered the first page, I got 109. That is normal IQ. So normal ppl just do half the work? *lol* :D

A score of 100 is Average. Just remember that IQ is a very poor way to rate your overall abilites. I know lots of people who have high IQ's and are real idiots........

I haven't been tested for IQ since high school (sometime around 1988) but it was 143 then. I thought part of the quotient was that even if you had the same answers at age 13 as at 30, the IQ would come out higher for the 16 year-old, making it harder to get a high score the older one got. I would be interested in re-testing if this were not the case... anyone got an IQ test not based on age?

And what is a "hyperfocuser"? I mean, I think I get the implication, but have never heard the term before. If I had an 8 page paper due on Monday, but I was up until 4:00 am on Sunday pursuing a theory that Aberforth Dumbledore (from the Harry Potter books) might be a time-travelled version of Albus or vice-versa,...would that make me a "hyperfocuser"? :p

Yup, that makes you a hyperfocuser. The basic idea being that ADDers have trouble focusing so need to work harder to make it interesting enough to bother with... then the body kicks in it's natural ritalin & goes nuts and over the top.

And yes, it's also often a good way to avoid things. Procrastination might begin with boredome but ultimately produces anxiety and that's when natures ritalin kicks in again.

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I don't know of any studies in adults, but they have done studies of children with ADD / drug abuse potiential medicated vs. unmedicated. The study indicates that children who's ADD/ADHD were threated with medication were LESS likely to abuse drugs than thier peers. Children who's ADD/ADHD was NOT treated with medication were FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY to abuse drugs (includes alcohol) as compaired to thier peers. I think there might be a copy of the article on about.com under attention deficiet catigory. The study was done at Harvard.

My personal experience is that I have a problem with any thing that is mood altering when I don't take my medication. When I stay on my mrdication and stay on top of my feelings, emotions and ADHD I have no problems at all. I can have a mixed drink with a meal and not want another, another and another. I have the foresight to stay away from drugs and people who do them therefore I am not exposed to the possibilities; thus remain untempted.

I was clean and sober for two years before I sought treatment for "my problem". Soberity was supposed to improve my memory and attention span but I became worse. As a party animal I scored high grades in school. I quit partying and doing speed my grades dropped and stayed low. That was my problem. Well I was not only self medicating but I knew what worked but I had to "let my system clean out" before the doctors could tell what was drug induced and what wasn't. The fact I had a good history from my mother helped. She said I was hyper in the womb, and my mother rarely took an aspirin nor has she ever been a drinker.

Sanatra was not out when I was diagnosed eleven years ago. I have been on Adderall for seven years with one increase about three years ago when I added school to a full time work schedule.

You said you have self medicated but never said weather or not you quit. Being clean and sober for one year was a requirement for my doctor to consider treatment with stimulant medication. I had been clean for two years upon my initial appointment. I don't blame you for perfering a stimulent as it takes effect pronto, we ADDers like pronto

Not sure if that is what you were looking for. Hope it helps

Tammy :cool:

Well put Tammy. Yeah.

I don't believe in IQ tests, at least the ones that I have seen. There is a difference between intelligence and knowledge. Some tests seem to measure knowledge rather than intelligence.

Anyway, the only IQ test I have taken was online and my score was 129. I don't take it seriously, of course.

Mariela

I have no idea what my iq is. I got an iq test in grade 9 from my english teacher because i taught the highest "achiever" in the class how to work through a work sheet everyone was having problems with, except me. She never told me my iq. A friend of mine got a test in grade 10 and came out with 138, but hes always told me i am smarter then him, i just never apply myself.

Personally, I think everyone is smart. Someone who enjoys history is going to be smart about history; someone who enjoys math will be smart at math; others enjoy gardening, so they know a lot about gardening. Those who enjoy medicine will be smart in medicine. Intelligence Quotient  you meet a quota for knowledge? I've known people who have very high IQ's but have no people skills whatsoever, or can't see the forest for the trees, and if you can't see the forest for the trees then what good is it? Don't worry about your studies. Hyperfocussing just means you are learning more thoroughly and more likely to remember when you really need to. The key is to enjoy what you are interested in and you will be so much happier to learn about it, whatever that may be. I'd have liked to be an astrophysicist or marine biologist, but can't do the math. Although, when I was growing up math was taught waaaaayyyyy differently than it is now. I think I need to look for a computer program on it. Oh yeah, remember that intelligence is useless without wisdom:)

"The key is to enjoy what you are interested in and you will be so much happier"

Yup!

: - )

I'm still learning about hyperfocusing. But not seeing the forest for the trees has been classically threaded throughout my life. It's easy to see hyperfocusing i'm aware of, but the hyperfocusing i'm not aware of is what I need to learn.
I posted a question in an sbc forum, and I know it's annoying, but I expected no replies. Instead, i was flamed, by 2 moderators.

When I conataced them via IM, one of them asked if i was in depression or having problems, which I am right now. I eventually confessed that I have adhd, and on that particular day, I was in depression. The disagreement went on, because, he accuses me of hyperfocusing on the issue. Which I was not. I was hyperfocusing on the replies. I responded to blatant and passive flames. Based on how I want to be treated. Is that really hyperfocusing? Sometimes I see insults where there was probably none intended. Or I react to being slighted, by not letting go of the issue until I feel that I've been understood. If someone understands what it is i'm talking about, then they wouldnt' want to insult me would they? hehe Do you guys know what I mean?

I was 129 when I was younger, I haven't had a comprehensive IQ test in 8 years though. If anybody knows any reliable versions of those silly websites that "test IQ," I'd be interested in taking a standard issue statistical test, but otherwise, I don't feel like getting a comprehensive IQ test done. Heh

I have a high IQ and have never been able to study well.

Trade magazines are the only thing I can really "study" because I need to get my info in short articles.

If they made three page chapters in novels, I would read more. lol


Dan Brown's novels are excellent (best sellers) and divided into very short page chapters. "The Devinci Code" is one.
I'm bad with names, so forgive if I got the author or title wrong (or both wrong), but I'm close and there is enough information there to find the book... lol

Jonathan

Interesting results, another great poll. Thanks to the one who started it! The med student? Your brain must be fine.

:)

Jonathan

1. I was tested when I was grade 10, the score was 128-- just below the "genius line," even in some components I'm several standard deviations above it.

2. On reading: I can't keep track on long novels for many years. And, yes, I even has to skip thru this thread.

3. On math: My therotical math (Calculus, trigomentry, complex numbers etc) was pretty bad-- I had no interest at all-- but I do certain to have a knack in statistics; this is why my final year paper is on bioinformatics rather than anything.

I thought my IQ was 81 or something, but according to IQtest.com it's 131, and I wasn't hyperfocusing at all...
So my poll selection is wrong. And I did guess one or two of the questions, but answered them all within the time limit...
So I'm borderline "genius". But I don't believe in using IQ to determine somebody's intelligence. It's only good for determining somebody's ability to calculate in their head.

I skipped through this thread also, but I guess that's because it's... MIDNIGHT!? Gotta dash.

I worte that in (my time) noon... OK, my Ritalin dose is still being adjusted.

I have a relatively high IQ but I was not smart enough to do what the boss wanted so I ended up getting fired. This is about the 5th job in about 15 years that I have been fired from. A high IQ has helped me get good jobs, but I have not been able to mobilize it to help me keep any job. My ideas in my mind are better than my bosses so I use them and end up ****ing up the implementation of those ideas.

Now my wife wants to leave me as soon as I get another job. ****.

High IQ=no steady job=no marriage

was tested.
online and with a doctor.
online ive been higher than 140+
in person i was about a bit above average. i was also panicing/nervse/gave up early in.
my math and reading were substainially higher (30+ points) over vocab based. my math score could have been higher (had i had a clear mind/a piece of paper.... oh this problem is complex, you can have a piece of paper now.....), but the results for math are typically right on. my sat math was in high 600s/low 700s. ive always struggled with writting/oral expresion (all those years of not finding english interesting and tuning out :-) )

seen way to many different numbers. one of my friends was tested at 138 i believe, and he tells me that im beyond him. Same with another female friend who was in the mid 140s. so the online might be right.

ive learned one thing from these test is that i have substainial strengths in math, and reading. And i was wondering if anyone else had a weird deal where they test extremely well (bright/gifted in one) and terrible low side of average in another area.

My old highschool reports when I was F***ing up royally said I was good in math but that sounds contradictory to all my math scores in school. I tested around 130. I figure I'm pretty smart but have been fired about three times in 15 years also.

I always thought that genius iQ was somewhere over 150 or 160?
Wouldn't borderline be more like 150ish. When we were kids my two older brothers were tested and were considered borderline genius, I believe they were in the high 150's. Come to think of it one was 159 and one scored 160. (I think).
I have never been tested except the tickle test online.

We were just little kids I was only 4 yrs, they two and 4 years older.
The preschool lady wanted them tested. I was too young. She told my mother "never put these children in the regular school system, it will ruin them,"

Unfortunetly we did the public schools, it was not good. If I hadn't been so wishywashy and more aware children have rights too, (like my own son is) I could have done a lot of better things with my time. None of us finnished. (R)Except by GED. One bro was given the highest scholarship ever given, if he would attend the prestigious boys school. Everything free 4 yrs. But he couldn't show up on time, he pulled weeds for detention. The math teacher said he was a genius. He got into college about 15. But didn't stay long.

The brother that scored the highest seemed the most mentally damged in that he was unable to cope with life it seemed, he was very closed off to the world, he could put up a front, great wit, looks, coordination. (None of the family is in touch with him, he changed his name, and he moves a lot. He was a body builder last we knew over 20 years ago, my father saw him on T.V in a Mr. Hawaii contest. I heard last year a friend found him in some way back issues of playgirl, I once found him in a sexy guy calender, early 80's. Very confusing, don't really know why he left us. Besides I don't think he could deal with the dysfunction of the family, he was very distant in his eyes. Also seemingly paranoid, and narcisistic.

My other brother gets by cause he's so intelligent, also he can be charming, As he can't be on time to jobs etc.. I swear he has gone through every company in his city by now.
I think there is a lot of borderline autism/asperger. This brother didn't speak understandably till he was 5 or 6 at least. And coudn't jump rope once or twice without slamming into the other end of the livingroom. I was in my own world, examining the human condition. And objected to human contact as an infant/baby.
I was married to a man with an IQ of 170 (according to him) But he was more "normal" than anyone in my family. He was brilliant in his ability to do anything he set his mind to. And was a very macho physical guy, who get this.. was a tender, oversensitive sort. One minute he is drinking bear and arm wreastling and yelling at a football game. Next minute he midwifing,
and writing poetry.


Me, I am a survivalist, I find most everything a phycological adventure, a test to aquire insight for coping with everything in the most mentally healthy way possible, and utlizing my learnings in my teachings in order to reach all the different personalities I work with or encounter.

As for my siblings and I we all seem to have a natural desire to be weird/eccentric, It can seem like we need the attention, but at the same time I really think we are just being ourselves.

I met a girl through a friend in the early 1980's who was on record for haven't a record IQ. I might be way off in my memory, but I keep thinking it was 270, her IQ. Sounds crazy though, can it go that high? We went to the beach. I remember wondering what it must be like to be in her mind. She was so average seeming, I asked her what it is like to be so smart, she just shrugged and said she didn't think she was that different.



Well I am meandering, and the only reason I started to write this was......I'm really curious in what the break down is regarding where genius starts.

I really don't place a lot of emphasis on the IQ tests. But I like the fact that many do, since apparently even thought I can't think straight even when on adderrall, I scored well. (I didn't take adderrall when I did the test.)Then they think I am capable of intelligent thought processes. Then they think all that gobbilygook I say is worth listening to!!! Then again I never talk IQ to anyone but 1 or two of my best buddies. So Why do they listen anyway, aha, I got it, because they are paying me ah!!

i wouldn't go by an online iq test.
and you and your friends could be comparing different iq types, and then there's always the drift...
main ones are david wechsler and stanford/binet
multiple intelligences = david wechsler adult scales,
i scored in the top 2%
yessss
iq doesn't equal happiness or beauty or success or friends or ANYTHING
just a score.
technically i could join a triple '9' society of iq.
i actually am incredulous about my score.
and yes
i was off the scales on verbal on all my tests, in autumnforfree
and i was only highly above average in math.
i can't even do math in my head, well- im too lazy to.
im also to lazy to bother w/ puncuation spelling properly and capitilizing.LOLLLLL
my doc said that every definition she asked for was perfect, i answered every single question correctly and she almost verbatim to the book.
this is when i dropped out of community college. LOL
yeah man.
i umm have a high iq. like distressingly so..
and i can't parallel park
and i'm anxious around ppl in public places
and i can't hack school....
i'm just not normal.
i used to hate math but i think that if i ever get it together as far as school is concerned i would like to take math to the highest level i can manage. i didn't even take geometry in highschool. i had a lifelong distaste of math. but i realize that i've underutilized that ...b/c i reverse numbers in my head, and sometimes numbers with letters..i have to write everything out when adding etc to make sure it works out..and on my iq test i counted on my fingers.

Unless emotional IQ is added to this score, the results are redundant. So consider yourselves all better off than you probably know. As for my ###. I don't feel a number is of any significance other than human curiosity. I was a Mensa member, but found them dull and boring:D

Jellybean: There is no real cutoff for "genius" level IQ. The way adult IQ scores work is that 100 is considered average. The standard deviation of the test is usually 10 or 15 points. Approximately 68% of people score within 1 standard deviation of the mean (100), 95% within 2, and 99% within 3. The WAIS (Weschler Adult Intelligence Series) IQ test has a standard deviation of 15, which means the cutoffs are 115, 130, and 145. About 34% of people score between 100 and 115, 13.5% between 115 and 130, and 2% between 130 and 145. Only 0.13% score above 145 (percentages do not add up to 100% due to rounding).

Above and below a certain point, standard IQ tests become unreliable -- around 130-140 or so. Beyond 150, the results are essentially meaningless on a standard test. To measure anything above 130-ish, you need a test that was developed and scaled using a sample of very smart people as test takers. :)

The tests are also designed with a high retest reliability, which means that if you take it multiple times, you'll score just about the same. The questions within a section are designed with a high degree of internal consistency, which basically means that the relative difficulty of the question is consistent with the amount of score applied to it.

Because I have a learning disability, my IQ scores are a bit screwy. :) The Weschler is broken down into subtests, which are combined into two scales: verbal and performance IQ. My verbal IQ is 126 and my performance IQ is 91. The "full scale" IQ is 110, which is what I voted in the poll. :-) For most academic purposes, though, my IQ is "really" closer to the 125 than to 110 or 91.

Did Einstein have ADD? He was known to be very forgetful yet very intelligent...

i'm trying to find out if hyperfocusing has any relation to intelligence... why? coz at the moment coz i'm bored, really bored.

it's my first post here anyway. I'm a 3rd year medstudent. my IQ is 123. i am at the bottom of the class ranking and i can only get myself to study an average of 10-12 hours per week.



I thought hyperfocused, Overfocused, means that you aren't forgetful you are the opposite type of ADD'er, you are too focused on even rudamentary tasks. And can't switch your attention, much like OCD, that's what my post is about.

I think hyperfocusing is common for a lot of ADDers but yeah I'm the overfocused type that Dr. Amen describes and it is similar to OCD. And I don't think that's necessarily having anything to do with intelligence, though intellegent people obviously hyperfocus also. Hyperfocus does not remove forgetfulness about other things beyonf the topic being focused on and hyperfocus does not usually apply to rudimentary or mundane tasks though I do sometimes lock in to repetetive mindless tasks they are headed toward a goal that captivates me, so are not boring. Yes you are also correct that overfocusing has to do with being unable to switch gears. Amen talks about the gearshift being stuck. He says SSRI's are what's needed to break that loose, combined with stimulants for the ADHD. I hope this clarifies & makes sense.