View Full Version : Caffine substitute for Ritalin


Neuronic
01-01-08, 12:18 AM
Adderall and Ritalin are psychostimulants. They work by stimulanting Serotonin Receptors. BY doing that they keep the neurons from giving up Serotonin. This works for ADD and Depression. Caffine is like most psychdellics a stimulant. It however is alot weaker than other known psychedellics. That being, it given in doses just small enough do you think it could act as Ritalin or Adderall?


If so all one would need is a trip to The GNC or a soda.

HighFunctioning
01-01-08, 01:44 AM
Methylphenidate has a very low affinity for serotonin receptors (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/288/5463/11a). Methylphenidate primarily works on dopamine, and amphetamine, while it does have an impact on serotonin, is mostly geared torwards dopamine and norepinephrine.

And about caffeine: http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/49/11/1415

Caffeine has well-documented effects on dopamine, the major neurotransmitter of interest in schizophrenia. Unlike the nonxanthine psychomotor stimulants amphetamine and cocaine, caffeine neither releases dopamine from nerve terminals nor prevents reuptake of released dopamine. Rather, caffeine and other methylxanthines, such as theophylline, are competitive antagonists at the A2a adenosine receptor on the same postsynaptic neurons as the D2 dopamine receptor (11). Activation of the A2a receptor makes dopamine less efficient as a neurotransmitter; thus, by blocking this receptor, caffeine enhances the ability of dopamine to function as a neurotransmitter

Neuronic
01-01-08, 08:05 PM
So are you saying Caffine works on Dopamine or Ritalin and Caffine?

lars
01-01-08, 08:37 PM
Caffine is like most psychdellics a stimulant. It however is alot weaker than other known psychedellics.

Caffeine is not a psychedelic drug. The word psychedelic comes from the Greek words (psyche "mind") & (delein "to manifest") meaning "mind manifesting." The idea being that psychedelic drugs have the potential to manifest latent, or unused portions of the human mind.

Psychedelic drugs belong to a larger class of drugs known as hallucinogenics which also includes drugs like dissociatives and deliriants. Unlike caffeine, psychedelic drugs do not simply induce familiar states of consciousness, but they instead shift the familiarity of the experience to an experience that is novel, and completely different from that of normal consciousness.

Concerning the definition of a psychedelic I feel that Lester Greenspoon had a good definition when he stated that, "a psychedelic drug is one which has small likelihood of causing physical addiction, craving, major physiological disturbances, delirium, disorientation, or amnesia, produces thought, mood, and perceptual changes otherwise rarely experienced except perhaps in dreams, contemplative and religious exaltation, flashes of vivid involuntary memory and acute psychoses."

Mohawk1984
01-03-08, 11:50 AM
yeah such as lsd, psilocybin, salvia divinorum, dmt etc :)

Lol , imagine what the world looked like when coffee was a psychedelic

Neuronic
01-08-08, 12:44 AM
Vaffine is a psychdellic, look in Wikipedia. Itt awakens you and fives you more energy. It is a psy just weaker. Ravers do it in higher concentrations when it is like Extacy.