My psych says there is no such thing. Well im on ritalin for 6 weeks now (20mg every 3 or 4 hours) and I dont even feel the onset. 20 mg seem to do less then 10mg in the first week.

Wtf :confused:

My psych says there is no such thing. Well im on ritalin for 6 weeks now (20mg every 3 or 4 hours) and I dont even feel the onset. 20 mg seem to do less then 10mg in the first week.

Wtf :confused:It sounds like your brain has adjusted to the medication. I have been taking Ritalin for twelve years and I don't feel "the onset" either. If you want to test if it's really working for you, go off of it for a few days.

Re: tolerance: a search of these forums will bring up lots of posts on this subject.

Do you notice the ability to focus? I ask because that is what I seek out from Dexedrine and even though the "on something" feeling of it goes away I still can focus and concentrate fairly well.

It sounds like your brain has adjusted to the medication. I have been taking Ritalin for twelve years and I don't feel "the onset" either. If you want to test if it's really working for you, go off of it for a few days.

Re: tolerance: a search of these forums will bring up lots of posts on this subject.


Not taking it a few days likely results in withdrawel. Withdrawel is not proof that a med is working.

(im not talking puking your guts out withdrawel like heroin, but decreased concentration, tiredness, depression)

Are you talking about the euphoric feeling?

Not taking it a few days likely results in withdrawel. Withdrawel is not proof that a med is working.

(im not talking puking your guts out withdrawel like heroin, but decreased concentration, tiredness, depression)

There really isn't a withdrawal syndrome for ritalin. The stuff doesn't really hang around long enough anyway. It only has a half-life of about 4 hours.

mspen already asked the important question. Does the ritalin still help you focus? You don't need to "feel" the ritalin for it to work. It just needs to help you with your ADHD symptoms.

Not taking it a few days likely results in withdrawel. Withdrawel is not proof that a med is working.

(im not talking puking your guts out withdrawel like heroin, but decreased concentration, tiredness, depression)Mohawk, perhaps it would help if you discard any previous knowledge you have about substance abuse? The terms you are using are not really appropriate to a discussion about Ritalin use at therapeutic doses prescribed and monitored by a qualified physician. Think medicinal, not recreational and then do your research. It will change your perspective about your personal experience while trying to find the right med for you.

I dont abuse ritalin.I probably wont even enjoy it.

But stopping ANY subtance that was daily used for a long period will produce withdrawel imho. Even ceasing a Coffee habit causes withdrawel. Ofcourse not a heavy withdrawel syndrome as seen with subtance abuse.

Stopping for a few days to test if the meds work is NOT a good test. Ofcourse you wont feel good when you stop ingesting a substance that your body adjusted to.

Ontopic: I notice im zoning out alot when on the med. And feeling very tired after the first 2 hours.

Are you talking about the euphoric feeling?

I never felt euphoria on ritalin

But stopping ANY subtance that was daily used for a long period will produce withdrawel.
According to what source? Is this your personal experience of long-term Ritalin use?

Have you ever heard of a med vacation? Even children take med vacations. Doctors approve this.


Stopping for a few days to test if the meds work is NOT a good test. Ofcourse you wont feel good when you stop ingesting a substance that your body adjusted to.
Would you please explain why not? I was under the impression that this is a valid way to make a comparison between medicated and unmedicated states, and thus gain perspective on how the meds are working or not not working.

Ok. I was trying to figure out what you meant by not feeling the 'onset'. In my own experience, Ritalin used to give me a euphoric feeling before settling in and taking 'effect'. In my own case, I have definitely built tolerance to it; I also have a very high metabolism (but that's probably neither here nor there). I like you find that, with time I need more of it in order for the same effects.
Have you thought about switching to the SR version. Or Concerta (downside: need to take early in morning in order to sleep at a reasonable hour). But these are options you may want to discuss w/ your shrink.

I agree with what your psych says, I have never come across published literature concerning methylphenidate and medication tolerance. I doubt you've gained a tolerance for methylphenidate in 6 weeks, this isn't a new medication, some have been taking it for decades and still reap its benefits. Have you told your psych about the zoning and tiredness?

Psychiatrists and therapists widely acknowledge Ritalin tolerance. Have you personally taken Ritalin?

...expensive research, no tenure at the end of the tunnel, pharmaceuticals. Any psychiatrist worth his/her name would admit to the prevalence of ritalin tolerance in many patients.

...expensive research, no tenure at the end of the tunnel, pharmaceuticals. Any psychiatrist worth his/her name would admit to the prevalence of ritalin tolerance in many patients.

I trust science over a Doctor's good name. Guess I'm just picky like that.

...expensive research, no tenure at the end of the tunnel, pharmaceuticals. Any psychiatrist worth his/her name would admit to the prevalence of ritalin tolerance in many patients.

Would you happen to know where to obtain citations proving this tolerance occurs as a result of this expensive research? Everything I have ever seen has only proven that abuse of methylphenidate leads to tolerance.

Would you please explain why not? I was under the impression that this is a valid way to make a comparison between medicated and unmedicated states, and thus gain perspective on how the meds are working or not not working.



Because your brain expects the med on a daily basis. It has to re adjust.

Crazyfeet, a previous poster had stated that they had never come across any published literature concerning methylphenidate and medication (I don't know how broad a category they were intending here) tolerance. My point is that this research does not exist because it is inter alia very expensive to carry out and simply because it does not exist does not mean it is not true. This is the fallacy of an argument ad ignorantiam. There are other disincentives for such research not to be undertaken.
Blueroo, my response to you would be the same.

Because your brain expects the med on a daily basis. It has to re adjust.

Expects it how? What gets adjusted? Does it keep a datebook? Do your neurons schedule a meeting? What is the physical process that governs this "expectation" you mention?

I don't suffer withdrawal when I don't take ritalin for a day. I don't miss it. I don't "expect" it. I don't have a feeling that something isn't right. How come I'm not "adjusted" to it?

Crazyfeet, a previous poster had stated that they had never come across any published literature concerning methylphenidate and medication (I don't know how broad a category they were intending here) tolerance. My point is that this research does not exist because it is inter alia very expensive to carry out and simply because it does not exist does not mean it is not true. This is the fallacy of an argument ad ignorantiam. There are other disincentives for such research not to be undertaken.
Blueroo, my response to you would be the same.

If you can't provide research, you can't make the claim. It's that simple. This drug is over 50 years old. Every effect it has that we can measure has been measured. It is as well understood as any psycho-pharmacological drug can be understood. Studies that measure what you are talking about *have* been done.

Expects it how? What gets adjusted? Does it keep a datebook? Do your neurons schedule a meeting? What is the physical process that governs this "expectation" you mention?

I don't suffer withdrawal when I don't take ritalin for a day. I don't miss it. I don't "expect" it. I don't have a feeling that something isn't right. How come I'm not "adjusted" to it?

As a stimulant it provides stimulation. The sudden lack of it results in tiredness,lethargy etc. Is this so hard to grasp? It even occures with coffee. Consider yourself lucky, most people experience this. I had some co workers who would be a WRECK all day just because the coffee machine was broke for example. Everything can cause withdrawel, even running an hour everyday can cause withdrawel.

And then theres a thing called receptor "up regulation". When a receptor gets more of a neurotransmitter then it normally gets it adjusts by getting less sensitive (up regulation).

As a stimulant it provides stimulation. The sudden lack of it results in tiredness,lethargy etc. Is this so hard to grasp? It even occures with coffee. Consider yourself lucky, most people experience this. I had some co workers who would be a WRECK all day just because the coffee machine was broke for example. Everything can cause withdrawel, even running an hour everyday can cause withdrawel


Coffee is not an approved treatment for ADHD and IMO an inapt analogy.

A stimulant provides stimulation to an underactive process. This is NOT the same as stimulation when no underactivity is present.

Please explain why it is that the expected reaction ought to be what you say it is, when the people who have experience with taking methylphenidate for ADHD treatment replying to you say otherwise?

Blueroo, please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you are claiming. Are you saying that ritalin tolerance does not occur in individuals who take the therapeutic dosage as prescribed by their physician?

Coffee is not an approved treatment for ADHD and IMO an inapt analogy.

A stimulant provides stimulation to an underactive process. This is NOT the same as stimulation when no underactivity is present.

Please explain why it is that the expected reaction ought to be what you say it is, when the people who have experience with taking methylphenidate for ADHD treatment replying to you say otherwise?

A stimulant always provides stimulation. If you give a stimulant to a non add person he would also experience stimulation. I myself have experience with MPH and when I stop for a day I feel somewhat whorn out( I dont for sure if thats an englist word though).

Anyway, its based on my own experience and things I heard from other mph users. And I find it kinda logical to. I know this guy who is on mph for 14 years, he always looks tired and his skin is yellow ish. His digestive system sped up so much that he had to take a crap an hour after a meal. He wont take up vitamins. Even hes schrink thinks mph is the cause.

Low dose or not, long term stimulant use can get nasty on the body.

IMHO ofcourse.

I was using the coffee analogy because its also a stimulant and generally weaker in effects then mph (unless you drink insane ammounts).

Crazyfeet, a previous poster had stated that they had never come across any published literature concerning methylphenidate and medication (I don't know how broad a category they were intending here) tolerance. My point is that this research does not exist because it is inter alia very expensive to carry out and simply because it does not exist does not mean it is not true. This is the fallacy of an argument ad ignorantiam. There are other disincentives for such research not to be undertaken.
Blueroo, my response to you would be the same.


Belief does not equate to fact. By virtue of your argument, it might also be expected that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy really exist simply because it would be expensive to determine if they did not.


I would be happy to review the evidence that important research has been declared too expensive to be conducted, and by whom this has been decided.



By your own admission, you cannot provide citations to support your statements. Very well then, please relate to us instead your own personal experiences. This would be a reasonable thing to provide, although it scarcely amounts to scientifically conducted studies.

As a stimulant it provides stimulation. The sudden lack of it results in tiredness,lethargy etc. Is this so hard to grasp? It even occures with coffee. Consider yourself lucky, most people experience this. I had some co workers who would be a WRECK all day just because the coffee machine was broke for example. Everything can cause withdrawel, even running an hour everyday can cause withdrawel.

And then theres a thing called receptor "up regulation". When a receptor gets more of a neurotransmitter then it normally gets it adjusts by getting less sensitive (up regulation).

Your description is confused and misinformed. To start, reducing sensitivity involves downregulation, not up. Additionally, these feedback systems take a long time to develop and usually far larger dosages than therapeutic. This is the kind of thing that takes months or years to develop at abusive levels.

Are you seriously suggesting that therapeutic ritalin dosages cause significant downregulation in a mere six weeks while abusive dosages of other stimulants like meth can sometimes take years to develop that kind of downregulation? It's nonsense.

Blueroo, please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you are claiming. Are you saying that ritalin tolerance does not occur in individuals who take the therapeutic dosage as prescribed by their physician?

According to research 60mg a day wont produce tollerance. Though it will produce tollerance for the "reinforcing effects" whatever that may be.

There is some expirimental data about nmda antagonists preventing tollerance btw, I opened a thread about it on this forum. You can safely supplement magnesium for example. Im gonna try it after a couple of weeks off mph as it only possibly prevents tollerance not reverse it.

Blueroo, please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you are claiming. Are you saying that ritalin tolerance does not occur in individuals who take the therapeutic dosage as prescribed by their physician?

Can you show us a reputable peer reviewed study which demonstrates that ritalin does cause tolerance? I have never heard of anyone with ADD having to push for constantly increased dosages because they can't focus at therapeutic levels. Where are all the 60, 80, 200, 600, 800, 1200, 2000mg of ritalin ADHD people? How is it that people here on the forum who chime in with their constant 10 year old prescriptions are still able to focus at normal dosages? Where is their tolerance?

According to research 60mg a day wont produce tollerance. Though it will produce tollerance for the "reinforcing effects" whatever that may be.


Dear god, this is what we've been saying all along. There is no tolerance at therapeutic dosages! When you say that you no longer "feel" the ritalin kick in, those are the reinforcing effects.

Crikey...

Are you seriously suggesting that therapeutic ritalin dosages cause significant downregulation in a mere six weeks while abusive dosages of other stimulants like meth can sometimes take years to develop that kind of downregulation? It's nonsense.

It was an hypthothesis.

quote: "Long-term methylphenidate treatment down-regulates c-fos in the striatum of male CD-1 mice. "

source: Neuroreport.com

quote: "Methylphenidate down-regulates the dopamine receptor and transporter system in children with attention deficit hyperkinetic disorder (ADHD)."


source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dear god, this is what we've been saying all along. There is no tolerance at therapeutic dosages! When you say that you no longer "feel" the ritalin kick in, those are the reinforcing effects.

Crikey...

I take 80mg a day. Btw I responded to the "receptor downregulation is nonsence" comment at the previous page. Its at the bottem you might have skipped it.

A stimulant always provides stimulation. If you give a stimulant to a non add person he would also experience stimulation. I myself have experience with MPH and when I stop for a day I feel somewhat whorn out( I dont for sure if thats an englist word though).

I noticed the length of time your personal experience is based on, by your own admission it is 6 weeks as provided by a medical doctor. Unless maybe you have experience with Ritalin that has not been prescribed by a medical doctor, I for one consider 6 weeks to be a fairly short period of time to have arrived at a conclusion that can then be applied to all people.

Maybe you and others here have mistakenly assumed that I myself have not taken methylphenidates. In fact, I have, and for a lot longer than 6 weeks. So has my daughter.

Anyway, its based on my own experience and things I heard from other mph users. And I find it kinda logical to. I know this guy who is on mph for 14 years, he always looks tired and his skin is yellow ish. His digestive system sped up so much that he had to take a crap an hour after a meal. He wont take up vitamins. Even hes schrink thinks mph is the cause.



If his psychiatrist believes this to be true, then why is he still prescribing to this man? Bear in mind that the members here are from all over the world and possibly live in a culture very different from yours. In the USA, such a doctor would be subject to review by an ethics counsel and subject to prosecution.

If his psychiatrist believes this to be true, then why is he still prescribing to this man? Bear in mind that the members here are from all over the world and possibly live in a culture very different from yours. In the USA, such a doctor would be subject to review by an ethics counsel and subject to prosecution.


I dont know, he gives him vitamins for this problem.

Psychiatrists and therapists widely acknowledge Ritalin tolerance. Have you personally taken Ritalin?

Yes 40mg x 3. I was trying to say gaining tolerance in 6 weeks is uncommon. I agree with the psych dismissing the idea of Ritalin tolerance in such a short time. Sorry for the way I phrased it, I haven't come across the topic of Ritalin tolerance happening in such a "short" period of time.

My former psych (Step-Father), characterized these symptoms as a "bad responder" to Ritalin.

Where's the full text or abstract then?

Where's the full text or abstract then?

http://www.neuroreport.com/pt/re/neuroreport/abstract.00001756-200404290-00022.htm;jsessionid=H61Qcn9V9RxH1mVYTr6GLsQSzyGy0 HSf8XGSYH38YMGqJtKvQcwb!901085598!181195628!8091!-1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12776228&dopt=AbstractPlus

neither one is specific to methylphenidate tolerance specifically.

neither one is specific to methylphenidate tolerance specifically.

I thought you where talking about dopamine receptor downregulation

I thought the subject of the thread was Ritalin Tolerance and those articles are insightful but they are more specific to changes that were observed, it could be my bad I havent been participating in the thread

I thought the subjest of the thread was Ritalin Tolerance and those articles are insightful but they are more specific to changes that were observed, it could be my bad I havent been participating in the thread

The down regulation can be seen as a cause of percieved tollerance.

I guess so

My former psych (Step-Father), characterized these symptoms as a "bad responder" to Ritalin.Precisely. ;)


Where's the full text or abstract then?
http://www.neuroreport.com/pt/re/neu...195628!8091!-1 (http://www.neuroreport.com/pt/re/neuroreport/abstract.00001756-200404290-00022.htm;jsessionid=H61Qcn9V9RxH1mVYTr6GLsQSzyGy0 HSf8XGSYH38YMGqJtKvQcwb%21901085598%21181195628%21 8091%21-1)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...t=AbstractPlus (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12776228&dopt=AbstractPlus)You do realize that full text is not available to the public at one of these, and the other requires registration and possible fees, don't you?

I take 80mg a dayThis is considered an "off-label" dose, at least where I live. I also took an off-label dose, because that was what worked for my severe symptoms. My experience is different from yours, and also just as valid.

Well the point I was trying to make that article or not I have not read much about tolerance except that in Edward Halliwell's books he mentions some patients who alternate between an amphetamine and Ritalin because the medication doesn't work, and I recall in an earlier post I made the suggestion that you should ask you doctor about that.

Long-term methylphenidate treatment down-regulates c-fos in the striatum of male CD-1 mice.Had the mice had been formally diagnosed with ADHD? :confused:

These results replicate those observed with rats and indicate that long-term use of MPH may alter neural activity by down-regulation of gene expression in the striatum.How about the rats? :rolleyes:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/)

INDICATE

1 a: to point out or point to
b: to be a sign, symptom, or index of
c: to demonstrate or suggest the necessity or advisability of


PROVE

a: to test the truth, validity, or genuineness of
b: to test the worth or quality of; specifically : to compare against a standard —sometimes used with up or out
c: to check the correctness of (as an arithmetic result) a: to establish the existence, truth, or validity of (as by evidence or logic)
b: to demonstrate as having a particular quality or worth


The down regulation can be seen as a cause of percieved tollerance.

Can be...percieved...thank you. Those do not indicate absolute truth nor blanket statements applying to all people. :)

Crazyfeet and Blueroo,

LOL. Only an ADD thread can go from methylphenidate tolerance to Santa and the Tooth Fairy. I love it!
I can appreciate each of your respective positions. All I am saying is that there are those of us for whom--diagnosed with ADD and taking phsycian- prescribed dosages--tolerance to Ritalin is experienced. I notice in Blueroo's response that you are talking about 'having to constantly push for increased therapeutic dosages' (empahsis mine). Perhaps, I should have been more clear in my original post: I'm not talking about constantly pushing; to me that seems like abuse of the medication for the purposes of experiencing a 'high' or some such and I'd be in complete agreement with you.
Rather, I'm talking about the same therapeutic dose losing its effectiveness after years on the medication, sometimes in less time than that. Individuals react differently to medications; this is why people often switch from medications. The effectiveness just wears off; obviously this does not happen to everyone, but it does happen.
I have had to stop Ritalin because I find that I get headaches and/or nausea when on it. However, my original reason for stopping was precisely because I discovered that my usual dosage (10mg-30mg) was just not producing the effects it had been for so long (10 years).
I spoke with several doctors and a psychiatrist regarding this in order to ensure that there were no co-morbids et al., and they all said the same thing: my body has developed a tolerance to it. Now granted, I may be in the minority, but we do exist. And I would be surprised if others on the forum have not had similar experiences with stimulants.

I've decided to close this thread. I feel that certain members who were thought by certain other members to be abusing Ritalin have clearly stated that they in fact were not abusing Ritalin.

The one thing that has bothered me most about being a moderator in the medications forum is the fact that people so ofen misconstrue what people say here because they use terms like "tolerance" or "rebound" etc.

Well, I have experienced tolerance to all of these stimulant drugs, and I have never once abused them. Tolerance has more to do than just drug addicts abusing drugs. For example, people develop tolerance to antibiotics, but I have never heard of a single person ever abusing an antibiotic.

Anyhoot, the tolerance I am referring to has to do with the fact that I might have started off taking 5mg, but after sometime (usually after a level of tolerance had developed) my Dr. and I agreed that a higher dose would be best. That does not mean that my Dr and I kept going up everytime we felt like I developed a tolerance, because to do that would be no different than an addict whom abuses these stimulant drugs. The difference is that people like me, and anyone else who takes these medications therapuetically are not taking them for recreational purposes, and as a result a certain therapuetic level is eventually achieved. At least that has been my experience in the past 16 years of taking these stimulant medications.

Please know that I appreciate everyone's input in this thread, but I feel that some here are hung up on semantics, and I for one feel like the point of this thread has run its course. If you feel like my decision is rash, or unjust I can understand that due to the fact that some seem to have very strong feelings here. Please know that I completely understand if you feel like you need to contact an administrator here and let them know that you think I did the wrong thing in closing this thread.

You might be right, and perhaps an admin would agree with you. Please know that I would not be offended by anyone saying that I am wrong in choosing to close this thread, or second guessing my decision here. I am not a peron that gets off on imposing rules, so I sincerely encourage anyone who feels like I have personally prevented them from expressing their points here to please follow the proper chanels. That is what those chanels are there for, and I am glad that they are there, because we all make mistakes.

Anyhoot, in closing I would like to say that I would hope that people might learn more about the definition of words like "tolerance" because they do not always apply to drug addiction. OK, I will step off my soapbox now. :o

PS Thank you all again for everything each of you had to contribute to this thread. I feel like there was some very good points made here. I hope I don't offend anyone by closing this thread, but I feel like it's going in a direction that the original poster did not intend for it to go in.

I've decided to re-open this thread in an effort to broaden the understanding of the word "tollerance." :)

Thanks, Lars. I thought I was going mad for a while there. :)

I drank coffee for yeeeaars. And never noticed diminished effects. Yet this methylphenidate stuf has become useless after only 7 weeks of use. All it seems to do is speeding up my heart. Now thats what I call "tollerance". Im going to stop and go back on coffee again. It sucks, It worked so well in the beginning.

Mohawk, what is your dosing schedule?

Mohawk, what is your dosing schedule?

20mg every 3 or 4 hours. Max 80 per day. I mostly used 60 though. It never worked longer then 2 hours btw. I switching to coffee and take a break for now. Maybe il give concerta a try in a few weeks, and then only using it 2 days a week or so to prevent tollerance.

Maybe im just out of shape physically though. I stopped running, used to do it for an hour every day to controle my add symptons. When I started on ritalin I thought that the running wasnt neccisary any more.

20mg every 3 or 4 hours. Max 80 per day. I mostly used 60 though.Do you follow the manufacturers recommendations about taking it on an empty stomach, etc.?
How is your sleep hygiene - do you have a regular sleep / wake cycle? Exercise? Do you take other meds or over the counter stuff, supplements, etc.?

Can you describe what changes you noticed when first taking Ritalin that have now gone away / changed?

Do you follow the manufacturers recommendations about taking it on an empty stomach, etc.?
How is your sleep hygiene - do you have a regular sleep / wake cycle? Exercise? Do you take other meds or over the counter stuff, supplements, etc.?

Can you describe what changes you noticed when first taking Ritalin that have now gone away / changed?


I stopped the exercise. I eat way less because it supresses my appitite.I take magnesium sometimes and zinc (because last timed I had my blood checked I had a zinc defficiency).

Oh, and I take DOXYLAMINE SUCCINATE for sleep. Because I have a hard time sleeping because of the ritalin. I can sleep withour aid however when I run for an hour, but im worried about loosing weight so thats why I stopped the running. I miss it though, running is heaven.

As to the effects, In the beginning I felt energized on it. That effect is gone, im generally tired on it. The lack of energy seems to contribute to the lack of focus. The last days im totally scatered, I cant think. And my body feels sour, I have a hard time waking up in the morning. Today I woke up at 4pm, I slept for 16 hours straight.

Maybe I should stop ritalin. Start living healthy again, and get back on ritalin ( while staying with the healthy habits).

Symptoms of a zinc deficiency include weight loss and poor appetite. Talk to your doctor.

Good post lars! as usual.


I've experienced what I believe to be tolerance with Ritalin and my psychiatrist also believes that tolerance can develop with pretty much any of the stimulants. I'd take my psychiatrists word over blueroo and crazy feet's any day no offense.


I started off at 5mg twice a day. It was working great for about a month but started to lose its effectiveness and I had to be bumped up to 10mg twice a day. It worked great for the first month or two but now I'm becoming tolerant to that dose so I might have to increase again (or hopefully change to Dexamphetamine)

If you guys are so stuck on Ritalin not causing tolerance do you have any peer reviewed studies I can read that support your views? (two can play at the ol' not believing anything unless it's a peer review studies game ;))

BTW: Reputable peer reviewed studies often come out that conflict each other with their findings. Just because something is in a study doesn't mean it's 100% accurate and honest. The people who finance the study sometimes have motives and an agenda to push.

Keep your mind open :)

Another thing: Withdrawal symptoms can occur with pretty much anything IMO, even if it's mental rather than physical.

BTW: Reputable peer reviewed studies often come out that conflict each other with their findings. Just because something is in a study doesn't mean it's 100% accurate and honest. The people who finance the study sometimes have motives and an agenda to push.
This is an unfortunate truth about peer reviewed jounals that most people seem to know little about. I had a biotechnology class last semester, and my professor had been published dozens of times over his career. He told us several "horror" stories of about how over the years this or that had been published by one of his scientific peers, only to find out after it was published that the data was intentionally flawed, or that the author was motivated by unethical motives, etc.

The good news is that the scientific methods demands that something be testable, and repeatable, and even though some things do fall through the cracks with the peer reviewed process, in the end the inability for those studies to be repeated by other researchers usually allows for justice to have its day, albeit late.




Keep your mind open :) Very well said. ;)

The good news is that the scientific methods demands that something be testable, and repeatable, and even though some things do fall through the cracks with the peer reviewed process, in the end the inability for those studies to be repeated by other researchers usually allows for justice to have its day, albeit late.That's a comforting thought.