My interest was piqued after reading Dr. Michael Lyon's book "Healing the Hyperactive Brain". What I wanted to find was a non-oral way to increase magnesium.

What I've learned from Dr. Lyon's book and other info from medical research websites is:

Omega 3 essential fatty acid (Flaxseed Oil or Salmon Oil)
Combined with Magnesium makes the "brain fuel" DHA

Various studies suggest adequate/optimal DHA enhances brain/memory function, has actually caused new neurons to grow, improves eyesight, and various other benefits.

My cost effective solution to a non-oral approach to achieve the above is a simple " cream/lotion" that can be made for less than $15.00 USD per 8 oz. in under 5 minutes! Here's the method:

1. Filter a large bottle of Milk of Magnesia though paper or cloth (I used a #6 cone coffee filter). Discard the liquid and keep the approximately 1/3 cup thick residue inside the paper cone.

2. Melt coconut oil (I melted a pint jar of coconut oil in the microwave in less than 1 minute)

3. Combine and mix at high speed for approximately 1 minute:
2/3 cup melted coconut oil (Omega 6 essential fatty acid)
1/3 cup flaxseed oil (Omega 3 essential fatty acid)
1/3 cup Milk of Magnesia (thick residue from the filter)

4. Pour into a container with a cover and refrigerate until the coconut oil re-solidifes.

5. Use liberally as a hand and/or body lotion. It's good for skin, and seems to absorb into the skin. Improved brain function, increased memory and concentration is discernable about an hour after use.

There's nothing harmful in the mixture and it's helped me immeasurably. My prayer is that it will help others, as well.

God Bless!

Chey

P.S. Do a search on "Omega 3" and "Magnesium" and read the research for yourself! I truly believe that ADD and ADHD may be nutritional deficiencies, possibly from the pre-natal stage.

There is a lot of research to encourage pregnant women to increase their DHA intake during pregnancy. My above lotion is merely a topical method to introduce more DHA into the system.

My sister's kids, with ADHD and "autism" love to have it massaged into their backs and feet and she said it's improved their moodiness and concentration dramatically.

Why don't you just take a 400mg magnesium supplement? It is well known that many people in western society have a magnesium deficiency--especially women. It affects the muscles mostly, hence its use as a laxative.

People with Fibromyalgia and Mitral Valve prolapse find the extra Mg helps with muscle pain and palpitations respectively. Don't take too much or you will experience the muscle relaxing effects on your colon--probably the wrong time and wrong place.

The point is to combine the Omega 3 of flaxseed oil with the magnesium to create DHA in a transdermal delivery system that doesn't stress the digestive system. DHA enhances brain and eye function. Check the research on DHA:

raysahelian.com/dha

The point is to combine the Omega 3 of flaxseed oil with the magnesium to create DHA in a transdermal delivery system that doesn't stress the digestive system. DHA enhances brain and eye function. Check the research on DHA:

raysahelian.com/dha

This is not research. This is an advertisement. Isn't that against the forum rules?

This is not research. This is an advertisement. Isn't that against the forum rules?

Thats a commercial site but Ray Sahelian, M.D is a very legit and science based. I emailed him about an error he had in a quote from an abstract and his assistant replied to me and fixed it. Also his site gets top ranking buy google
on alot keyword searches related to supplements so I doubt he has to spam a
relatively small forum.

That being said I doubt many people with ADD/ADHD will be miracle responders to any supplements.

There is no science to speak of on that entire website. No research papers. No information about studies. No scientific data whatsoever. Only books and home-brewed drugs (sorry, I mean natural nutritional supplements) to be sold.

The good doctor is nutritionist turned family physician. He has no formal pharmacological training. Worse, he uses HIMSELF as a human guinea pig for his various home-brewed drug concoctions to determine whether he "thinks" they are effective or not. His cavalier Frankensteinian approach to medicine alone is good reason to be wary.

Additionally, some research suggests that over-use of DHA can reduce immune system functionality and increase risk of infection. Because the good doctor's products are not scientifically tested and regulated, caveat emptor.

Blueroo, you crack me up....Boy I could use some home brew now...you know, the good kind, but the darn meds would interact.....however, some more info on Omega 3's. Like you I love scholarly articles and peer-reviewed research. And live by the code, If it is too good to be true----don't believe it!

I think out of desperation and good intentions many of the supplement-diet-and other health fads get started. I haven't noticed any research on the medical sites I use when reading about magnesium and other supplements. I do know - as a foods and nutrition teacher - that too much of any vitamin or mineral can cause health problems, some serious, or at best are a waste of money, you pee or poo the excess. Too much Vitamin A can actually be deadly because it is fat-soluble and stored in the liver--it take a whopping huge load but the sad fact is that it has happened.

There is a lot of research on Omega 3 Fatty Acids but this is the first I have heard that they need to bypass the liver---- DHA is one of the Omega 3 fatty acids FYI. They used to be called, poly-saturated fatty acids, remember that? And the Alphalinoleic acid is broken down into DHA and EPA, so limiting the Omega 3's to just DHA would mean missing out on one of the essential acids of the Omega 3's. There are many documented benefits of Omega 3's

There are also warnings about combining Omega 3's with NSAIDS--can cause bleeding by thinning the blood. Dermal delivery does not keep DHA out of the bloodstream. There are other medications and diseases that contraindicate the use of Omega 3 supplements.

Here is a good article from a reputable source:
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/omega-3-000316.htm

I have tried fishoil and it has helped me in good ways, such as with focusing and mood. After a couple days though, it seems to lose the effectiveness.

There is no science to speak of on that entire website. No research papers. No information about studies. No scientific data whatsoever. Only books and home-brewed drugs (sorry, I mean natural nutritional supplements) to be sold.



There are at least 10 references to studies on his DHA page alone.
Everything I read on his site about supplements is realistic and cautious.
The post bloomergal made has nothing to do with Ray Sahelian site anyway.
He posted Ray Sahelian's page on DHA as a general refrence on DHA.

There are at least 10 references to studies on his DHA page alone.
Everything I read on his site about supplements is realistic and cautious.
The post bloomergal made has nothing to do with Ray Sahelian site anyway.
He posted Ray Sahelian's page on DHA as a general refrence on DHA.

To be honest, none of those "references" have any actual context and they aren't relevant to his product. He just looked for studies that were related to DHA (and found no serious negative aspects) and listed them. For example, look at the last referenced study. Research group tests 20 dietary supplements and finds none of them contain mercury. What!? How is that relevant to anything? Was one of his products tested? How does that demonstrate the effectiveness of the drug?

If I create a list of research papers about how cool and useful dogs are, does that mean anything about my knowledge of dogs? Does it mean that you can trust me if I'm trying to sell you a dog? Does it mean that the dog I'm selling is worth having? Of course not! You want to see me demonstrate that the dog I'm selling is healthy. That his parents have no history of disease, defect, or misbehavior. The exact thing goes for this doctor and his drugs. Where are the safety trials? What are the side-effects? How much more effective is this product than placebo?

You get no real science from this doctor. All he has to show you is the fact that he isn't dead (because he tests the drugs on himself!) and some people have emailed him to say that they aren't dead yet either. He's proud of the fact that this is all he has to prove the safety and effectiveness of his product!

Guideline question at 4:00am Central standard time must be my cue to enter a discussion - so ready or not.

#1


There is a lot of research to encourage pregnant women to increase their DHA intake during pregnancy. My above lotion is merely a topical method to introduce more DHA into the system.


If there are any pregnant women {or men} reading this please do NOT introduce any thing into your system without checking with your doctor FIRST!

Guidelines (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15844) for member review - knowing them helps folks NOT violate them!

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Any thing I do mean ANY THING that has an effect on the body has the potential risk of having a BAD effect ! This include ,food air, medications herbal supplements all natural remedies.

Which means any one with health issues chronic conditions and those desiring to practice good common sense health practices please do get medical advice before beginning on a diet or supplement program that deviates from normal healthy eating practices.


Oh and if ya get a case of the running poo-poos you may want to back of that magnesium a bit - Milk of magnesia {magnesium} and Mag-citrate {magnesium - citrate} are common over the counter laxatives - so there is a "going" theme connected to magnesium but I am not too sure it has much to do with ADD if ya now what I mean.

a clue It affects the muscles mostly, hence its use as a laxative.



Next item up for bids - oops wrong program

#2

This is not research. This is an advertisement. Isn't that against the forum rules?

I checked out the hyperlink in question although it does have research that mostly leans toward positive conclusions about the use of supplements mainly DHE. the reserach origins I checked were legit however in order to determine weather or not a hyperlink in a post is in violation I had to look at the main purpose of the hyperlinked site

In this case I found advertisement of this man's herbal supplements and news letter to be the main purpose - although commercial web sites can have legit information within them the ADDF giudelines state.

Signatures and websites linked in signatures and posts must be family friendly and must not be blatent attempts to sell products or services.The Website linked in your signature must include a reciprocal link back to www.addforums.com.


~All underlining in quotes mine~

IN researching this doctor I ran across the following public information

Dear Dr. Sahelian: (http://www.fda.gov/cder/warn/cyber/2006/CL210e.pdf)

I hope this answers all your guideline question as well as brings the thread back into compliance - sorry for the disruption guys.

That being said I doubt many people with ADD/ADHD will be miracle responders to any supplements.


It seems to me that only those who have dietary defiances instead of ADD would be supplement responders period.

Many things besides ADD can cause difficulty with selective focus - what separates ADD from most of those other conditions is that our main problem lack of selective attention span where as other condition the interference with the attention span is one of several results that occurred due to the "other" condition in this case dietary deficiency.


Thats a commercial site but Ray Sahelian, M.D is a very legit and science based.

It was legitimately a commercial site on right the guy is trying to sale his supplements - Scientifically based - hmm so science isn't objective after all> Perhaps he did not use the science objectively - he used a lot of studies but that hardly makes the presentation objective or entirely accurate. {IMHO}



The post bloomergal made has nothing to do with Ray Sahelian site anyway.
He posted Ray Sahelian's page on DHA as a general refrence on DHA.


?????? The first or second line on the site written in large letters underlined said to buy any product or sign up for this doctor guys newsletter click this link - every link on the page went to a product page even those likes that said COPD!

Besides if the page had nothing to do with Dr Sahelian how did blueroo know this

The good doctor is nutritionist turned family physician. He has no formal pharmacological training. Worse, he uses HIMSELF as a human guinea pig for his various home-brewed drug concoctions to determine whether he "thinks" they are effective or not. His cavalier Frankensteinian approach to medicine alone is good reason to be wary.

Which by the way is a good point -





Also his site gets top ranking buy google
on alot keyword searches related to supplements so I doubt he has to spam a
relatively small forum.


if you type in the word Ritalin in google a $cientology site called Ritalin death will come up number three or four but that hardly makes the information provided accurate or even worth reading.

The number of live links to your WEB page out there in internet land determines a pages ranking in Google. If I could get a million people to post a live link to this post then this post would be presented in the top google rankings any time some one did a search on Magnesium Deficiency.

Also if you combine unusual word together you can get top rankings - I know I have done it

Enter "ADHD, gluteal hair growth" into google and I will have a thread here ranked number one. I just tried it and it is still right on top - my claim?

ADHD increases the chances of one growing buttocks hair.


Really true story


P.S. Do a search on "Omega 3" and "Magnesium" and read the research for yourself! I truly believe that ADD and ADHD may be nutritional deficiencies, possibly from the pre-natal stage.


My Personal opinion - Horse hocky - every one who has an interest in vitamins or is selling them wants to attribute ADD to the lack of them - gee all 18,000 members here some of which are hyperactive while others completely void of any activity all day all have the same mineral /omega-3 deficiency?

I say horse hocky because I take a magnesium supplement - to relax those smooth muscles Visual addressed in her post above and I take omega-3 supplements I have for a long while now - I still have ADD - However I have noticed less gluteal hair growth!


To pair up with the excellent hyperlink Visual presented in her post here is one that has every thing you wanted to know about magnesium deficiency but were afraid to ask

dietary supplements fact sheets by some one who isn't selling any (http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium.asp)

Magnesium is the fourth most abundant mineral in the body and is essential to good health. Approximately 50% of total body magnesium is found in bone. The other half is found predominantly inside cells of body tissues and organs. Only 1% of magnesium is found in blood, but the body works very hard to keep blood levels of magnesium constant [1].

Magnesium is needed for more than 300 biochemical reactions in the body. It helps maintain normal muscle and nerve function, keeps heart rhythm steady, supports a healthy immune system, and keeps bones strong. Magnesium also helps regulate blood sugar levels, promotes normal blood pressure, and is known to be involved in energy metabolism and protein synthesis . There is an increased interest in the role of magnesium in preventing and managing disorders such as hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes. Dietary magnesium is absorbed in the small intestines. Magnesium is excreted through the kidneys .


Early signs of magnesium deficiency include loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, and weakness. As magnesium deficiency worsens, numbness, tingling, muscle contractions and cramps, seizures, personality changes, abnormal heart rhythms, and coronary spasms can occur . Severe magnesium deficiency can result in low levels of calcium in the blood (hypocalcemia). Magnesium deficiency is also associated with low levels of potassium in the blood (hypokalemia).

***End Quote

I think I will hold off on the milk of magnesia coccobutter rub down myself - unless I take my Adderall I doubt I will have the attention span to make such a substance any way.

Research group tests 20 dietary supplements and finds none of them contain mercury.

Because its a common concern that mercury levels in fish oil may outweigh the
benefits of the oil. Many people reduced fish consumption for that reason in the past. Since the mercury risk was over stated and people ate less omega-3
fats they had less health benefits.

Sahelian's site or Wikipedia is often 1 or 2 on goggle searches on supplements. Like Wikipedia he may not have a reference for every word he says
and he maybe wrong some. As I said before he fixed an error on his site when I emailed him. He or Wikipedia may not have the legitimacy we want but he
probably has a lot more than we do ourselves. Frankly the amount of wrong, misguide(OP included) information on this site is quite large. Even right now the very act of us trying to shed light on some potentially wrong stuff in this thread is technically against the rules (we are off-topic). Which means wrong information as a rule has no real mechanism on this site to be corrected. Anybody can email Sahelian or edit a Wikipedia page though. Which explains how Goggle ranks some things alot higher for having a better signal to noise ratio.

?????? The first or second line on the site written in large letters underlined said to buy any product or sign up for this doctor guys newsletter click this link - every link on the page went to a product page even those likes that said COPD!

Besides if the page had nothing to do with Dr Sahelian how did blueroo know this


I'm not sure what you mean the first post in this thread has no links? And it list a different persons name (Dr. Michael Lyon's) . The OPster made a 2nd post for a refrence on DHA.

I'm sorry my original post got everyone off on a debate of the raysahelian site. That was certainly not my intention.

My main impetus was from Dr. Michael R. Lyon's textbook "Healing the Hyper Active Brain Through the New Science of Functional Medicine". It's out of print now and available at highly inflated prices as a rare used book. It's excellent and should be re-printed.

Because its a common concern that mercury levels in fish oil may outweigh the benefits of the oil. Many people reduced fish consumption for that reason in the past. Since the mercury risk was over stated and people ate less omega-3 fats they had less health benefits.
I agree with this very much. I used to take fish oil for years, and even though there were some benefits, the long term risk of mercury exposure was just not worth it to me. For starters, mercury (even in the smallest doses) does not leave the body, and the cumulative effects will simply add little by little every day I consume it. It just did not seem logical to continue, especially with so many other healthier sources of Omega fats with DHA like the one that is now being extracted from a marine algae.

Anyway, I eventually discovered the amazing benefits of krill oil which is by far the single most potent, and effective source (non-prescription) of essential fatty acids. The Omega fats in krill oil are already in the form of phospholipids which is exactly how the body utilizes these fats. The omega fats in fish oil, flax oil, hemp oil, and all the other OTC Omega fat supplements come in the form of triglycerides, which the body must convert into phospholipid form before the body can utilize the fats in the cells plasma membrane. This conversion process that our bodies do is far from easy, and as a result our bodies are unable to completely convert the triglyceride forms of Omega fats into the phospholipid forms causing a net loss of Omega fats per dose of fish oil, flax oil, hemp oil, etc.

When a person consumes a gram of krill oil, that complete gram of oil is totally usable to the cells and is absorbed completely. In contrast, when a person consumes fish oil, flax oil, or any other (OTC) source of Omega fats, they end up losing Omega fats in the conversion to phospholipids.

Here's a link that discusses an interesting study concerning krill oil and ADHD. I would post a link to the article itself, but the place where I have access to published articles is a members only site, and it does not allow for all of the articles to be linked.
http://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/contractors/materials/neptune/press3.html

Does anyone on here have any experience with Lovaza? I would like to know how it compares to krill oil. The krill oil is the only Omega fat supplement that ever made a markedly significant difference in my cognitive abilities. Anyhoot, here's a link to Lovaza for anyone who is not familiar with it: http://www.lovaza.com/

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Researchers found men who were suffering from advanced prostate cancer had higher quantities of ALA from non-animal as well as meat and dairy sources.
Scientists also found EPA and DHA could reduce the risk of total and advanced prostate cancer too. How does EPA and DHA work to prevent prostate cancer? Researchers offered these possibilities:

modification of membrane phospholipid composition
alteration of cell signaling and receptor activity
lipid peroxidation
cyclooxygenase inhibition
cytokine production
interference with androgen activityAmerican Journal of Clinical Nutrition (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/80/1/204) July 2004 80(1);204-216
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What is ALA? I take Omega3 supplements from fish oil, should I be worried?

Hey Lars, the only difference with Lovaza (or Omacor as it was previously named) is that it is the only lipid product approved by the FDA. It is on many formularies for insurance coverage. It is slightly higher in EPA than DHA.

Omacor, a lipid regulating agent, is supplied as a liquid-filled gelatine capsule for oral administration. Each 1 gram Omacor capsule contains 90 %omega-3-acid ethyl esters. These are predominantly ethyl esters of eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) 460 mg and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) 380 mg. (http://www.omacor.com/Home/About_Omacor/)

Truthfully it doesn't look any different from most other high quality over-the-counter formulas. I just think the docs prescribe them in handfulls for cardiac/vascular issues.