I tried searching for this term 'brain fog',but i dont see much on it.
Just a Quick question.
I have been having this Brain Fog for atleast 4 years or so with a heavy feelings inside my head and often pain behind my eyes.

What do you think, is this the core reason for most of the symptoms of ADHD!!
I almost smoked my lungs out for the past 7 years, and i thought it was the cigarettes that was doing the damage.You know its easy to connect brain fog and smoke ;).

ok coming to the point , i am on Straterra 25 now for past 1 year.
It seems to be working fine as of now. i hear all kinds of sounds in my head when i am on medication .i am not sure for how long i will be on these pills.
but as my brain fog gets lesser i feel better , my nerves relax and hyperactivity comes to a still.

i feel strange with left side of my head,often my left hand and left legs.
and when i take the meds , i can feel a strange pulse on some points on my left side, i feel it more in the scalp .

So how are you guys dealing with the Brain Fog?Have any of you got over with consistent medication?
Or is there any other way to deal with the brain fog?
i do not see much info on the net, except that its a chemical imbalance.

Do you think any psychotherapy , or some behavarioual therapy would help reducing this imabalance.
I merely dont see this as "imbalance",i feel its got a lot to do with our personality traits.more to do with anger and anxieties.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

oh .. er, well: I experience 'brain fog' as the 'opaque-ness' of my thoughts .. that I find it very hard to think in a straight line .. or, that misty, dreamy, spaced-out feeling .. or, that paralysis of motivation to actually 'get going' .. or the unreachableness of wherever you want your attention to go to - and stay there for some time.

Meds do really work on this for me, they clear the fog, make everything seem easier .. it is amazing. I've tried Strattera as well but that did only make things worse for me.

I don't think that therapy will reduce the fog .. maybe it can learn you to deal with it - a litte ..

I quit smoking after 22 years and plunged into brain-fog land. I've described it elsewhere as experiencing my thoughts like a badly tuned radio playing in another room. I thought for a while that it was the quit, but it seems that nicotine is frequently used for self medication for ADHD, especially for undiagnosed inattentives (like 30% of all adolescent female smokers are undiagnosed ADHD inattentives).

Try a different drug if Strattera's not doing it for you. For sure if the "fog" started after you quit smoking, it may well be the ADHD. It's a very distinct feeling, and unless someone's been a longtime smoker with ADHD, it's very hard to appreciate the sudden change.

Peace

I quit smoking after 22 years and plunged into brain-fog land. I've described it elsewhere as experiencing my thoughts like a badly tuned radio playing in another room. I thought for a while that it was the quit, but it seems that nicotine is frequently used for self medication for ADHD, especially for undiagnosed inattentives (like 30% of all adolescent female smokers are undiagnosed ADHD inattentives).

Try a different drug if Strattera's not doing it for you. For sure if the "fog" started after you quit smoking, it may well be the ADHD. It's a very distinct feeling, and unless someone's been a longtime smoker with ADHD, it's very hard to appreciate the sudden change.

Peace

exactly

http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=93543&highlight=smoking#post93543
I only gave up smoking and patches whilst I was on Dexedrine - an ADD medication ie I took Dex and within a week of starting, I was free from cigs and patches!
I was not expecting this - it came as a very welcome side effect of the medication.I just didn't want to smoke any more -
the brain fog just upped and went on dexedrine
(in the case of my wife - she felt happy for the first time ever
on
meds)

*actually* did not want to smoke
- even -
felt repulsed by the habit
- meaning -
of course

- that cigarette companies are in for an awful surprise sometime soon

:-)

which of course is grounds for an unequivocal Yay!!!

- did not even want to smoke -

though honestly
- smoking -

smell, cost, cancer, asthma, emphysema

versus

a mechanism for overcoming the boredom of nonADD world -

- and boredom wins
(how powerful a determinant of our behaviour is our need for neural stimulation ?).

how powerful a determinant of our behaviour is the need for neural stimulation ?
-> very much omnipotently all-

Smoking can be a need , but i believe smoking has been a necessity for me . I smoked more than i could and i tried more than i should to stop it from choking my lungs.
I almost felt like my spirit was driven off my self.
But in many ways it did help.Smoking is not that bad dude,but the cigs of today are chemicalised.And they are more than the actual tobacco.
but the lighter part of it is , it does give a kick to getchu into a thinking process.
Being an ADHD i have a tendency to get to the root of things , Why's and How's, and smoking stimulated this like hell.Its good , but bad after a point.

I quit smoking after 22 years and plunged into brain-fog land. I've described it elsewhere as experiencing my thoughts like a badly tuned radio playing in another room. I thought for a while that it was the quit, but it seems that nicotine is frequently used for self medication for ADHD, especially for undiagnosed inattentives (like 30% of all adolescent female smokers are undiagnosed ADHD inattentives).
Whoa .. go figure :eek:
I quit 5 years ago, after years of heavy smoking. The first weeks, the actual withdrawal, was not that bad .. but after two weeks this fog hit *bad*. And bad anxiety, too.

Ye gods, it's amazing how everything comes together.

Whoa .. go figure :eek:
I quit 5 years ago, after years of heavy smoking. The first weeks, the actual withdrawal, was not that bad .. but after two weeks this fog hit *bad*. And bad anxiety, too.

Ye gods, it's amazing how everything comes together.

That does make a lot of sense to me, too. I never knew I was self-medicating, but the ADD (then undiagnosed) got out of hand when I quit smoking. I didn't make the connection at first, because I kind of gradually "phased it out" instead of going cold turkey, but yes... that's when it got worse.

Now this I can relate to!

In addition to the kind of "radio in another room" aspect, I also get the distinctly physical sensations as well. It's almost like my cheeks, temples, eyes and forehead feel puffy. I also get the sort of heavy feeling inside my head. It kind of feels as if on the upper and front 1/4 of my skull there were cotton packed in between the bones and my skin.

It's not the kind of chaotic onslaught of thought that some people with ADHD have, but more like my mind is looking through glasses that are smeared with vaseline.

I was diagnosed ADD about 9 months ago, at the age of 38. At the time, it became clear to me that part of my attraction to marijuana was the "normal" focus that it gave me, though overly introspective and with odd side-effects (like, well, getting high). I smoked pot regularly in highschool, avidly in college, but maybe 1-2 times per year after that.

It wasn't until reading this thread, though, that I made the connection with cigarettes! I smoked cig.s regularly when I was in grad school, and when I was in grad school I was incredibly productive. After I quit smoking writing was far, far more difficult for me, but I always attributed that to the kind of regular, forced break that I would take when I smoked.

It does make quite a bit of sense now, though, that there actually is something to the nicotine aspect and its relation to ADD, rather than simply the "ritual" component.

Thanks! I'll look into this! Not about to start smoking again, but understanding this a bit better now might help me to figure something out.

couldn't get out of bed until i'd had an entire pack
day on day (every day)

if goin' somewhere i couldn't - 'd chain them until that 'just about to wretch point'

for my wife and myself nothing mattered except for cigarettes -

- it was all that mattered to us

when later we discovered ADD - it was a relief to gain insight into what we'd just assumed was an addictive personality - which it actually is -
I am pretty sure that ADD (or the need for stimulation) underlies the propensity for addiction - the mix of line of inheritance, education and environment within which he or she is currently -
- as the three factors which define how desperately the guy is to escape from being crushed by mundanity.

Your issues sound possibly neurological.

Rationale: Symptoms or deficits _on one side of your body_ is what perked my ears.

What does your doctor say?

Have you had any Assessment? (e.g. testing by a neuro-Psychologist?; MRI?)

Rationale: Symptoms or deficits _on one side of your body_ is what perked my ears.
oh I totally read over that .. am I right in understanding that you had that one-sidedness from before you had strattera?
Anyway - it's a good idea to talk to a doc about that (if you haven't already done so ..)

Nicotine is a dopamine releasing agent, so it's possible that this 'brain fog' is simply the natural state of your mind whilst not on any stimulants.

I can't speak for others, but I certainly feel like a 'fog' has been lifted when I take my ADHD meds.

I'm not sure I like lifting the fog, though. It makes my mind efficient and I realise how much time I am wasting, how much better I could do things... yet I don't really know how to make use of this extra efficiency. It makes me anxious.

Nicotine is a dopamine releasing agent, so it's possible that this 'brain fog' is simply the natural state of your mind whilst not on any stimulants.

This was the first thought that came to my mind too (nicotine & dopamine).

The other part is that the OP is likely an adult now so any hyper awareness/vigilance that was part of his ADHD symptoms is likely less than it was before he started smoking 7 years ago.

Without the stimulant/dopamine effect of the smoking, or ADHD meds, his brain would be operating in a state with which he was unfamiliar. Instead of the patch, he probably would have done well with Zyban (which is another name for Bupropion or Welbutrin).

I gave up so long ago I can't remember what effect it had...
(18-19 years ago)

I haven't noticed much brain fog since starting meds a few years ago ;)
(well..certainly not as much as before)

i feel strange with left side of my head,often my left hand and left legs.
and when i take the meds , i can feel a strange pulse on some points on my left side, i feel it more in the scalp .

This is a worrisome thing to read, not part of ADHD. Next time check with your doc about this. The nuerological antenna went up.

Best of luck to you Parker. :)

Yeah I have a brain fog... only coffee/tea or really intense exercise seems to lift it (since I quit smoking anyway) ... but music helps too. For me it's a "dry" feeling, like my brain/face/eyes are dehydrated... kind of a "sucking" feeling (literally). I don't know if that makes any sense.

I'm with Frazzle though that stuff about the left side and your pulse is scary... maybe the docs should run a ct scan or mri on you... definitely check it out.

for me it's a "dry" feeling, like my brain/face/eyes are dehydrated... kind of a "sucking" feeling (literally). I don't know if that makes any sense.
It does. I thought about a description too but the image that keeps popping up is a really silly and I can imagine that it does not make any sense at all. But you gave me the necessary courage :)

Here goes

It's like a combination of opaqueness and 'squeakiness' :eek: .. I mean .. there is a quality to it that somehow reminds me of the sound and feeling that you get when going over a fogged-up glass windowpane with a hand in a rubber cleaning glove. It's not that I hear that sound or feel that feeling .. no, not at all! - but in the way that my thought patterns are uncontrollable, that I can't hold more than two words in working memory, that my attention won't listen when I call it (like a cat who looks at you with this "who, me?" expression) ... ***somehow*** reminds me of that.

the fog hits from an early age -
it's a real pleasurable state as long as we have nothing which we need do -
(the happiest feeling).

the end of knowledge (vedanta)
where man (with mind) is a delivery of evolution.

there's no such thing as sense beyond emergent property of mind.

mind was a delivery of evolution where the mind turns to love or rather that the neuronal pattern of development sears through motion, knowledge into love -
love triumphs over mind
where love relates to dopaminergic internal circuit resonating

learnt through development of mind

though what if conferred ? - meaning - if it has all been about the capacity to resonate -
- what if we could resonate without need for all the learning hardship which has gotten in the way.

it kinda' doesn't make sense
the mental torture of searching for answers when none are to be found
trick of the mind

fog -
stop making sense

prevented from making sense -
only permitted to make sense (power over the mind) with illicit and other drugs.

A temporary measure to stop making sense - before sense is restored -
a change in which sense is not necessary for our organism -
however our organism within formalized systes of lesser -
- we do not afford ourselves the luxury of the fog - and the change which ensues - returning us to clarity of mind -
instead we cheat and jump straight through to clarity -
- though without the fogged mind -
reorientating itself sufficiently to take over sustainable dopaminergic circuit activity for itself -
- a problem because the meds are permitting us to pay the bills in legacy society -
- though are actually holding us back - unless used positively to clarify mind into logically solid structure -
- and realise the change which fog mandates upon our collective we

moving on -
we are

Hmmm...

this isn't quite making sense (why should fog lead to the mind finding better ? perhaps because it must?).

~ the meds make us feel good and give us control

~ the meds are providing a contribution to our functionality which the mind is not yet capable of supplying for itself

~ the pattern of evolution places duality of love (three guises) man and woman (hunter - gatherer) concave - convex duality as all important here
the Universal pattern
~ ~ ~ three guises - love of self, an other self, other selves

~ 'love' clearly dominates mind as the point of all of this ~here~
mind was a tool for development of structure permitting a structure (love) (noosphere) formed between all selves

~ so why isn't 'the fog' an entirely counter-productive delivery by evolutionary process (looking through the eyes of the process here) -
- why cloud the mind of the people when the development of the mind of the people is an important intermediate subspeciatory leap ?

unless unless unless

-> 1. speciation event of modern man I -> II -> III
-> 2. speciation event of ADDer

unless we've completed the stage of mind (1. II)
and are at (for instance)
1.III / 2.I
whereupon if I were the evolutionary process I'd certainly be annoyed if my babies retained there diapers at age 33 :-)

perhaps we'll find that the fog is nature's way of telling us to get our dopaminergic kicks from more naturally, simple and easily amenable mechanism
~~~
resonation between one another and between the planet

just doesn't make sense - why a process which defines our every move'd shut off our capacity to think linearly - unless
linearly was yesterday and

it need be admitted that the best we've achieved is fire meets wheel alongside wireless communication -
- not wishing to be harsh -

but that's not really so very much.

--- another time ---
-1- there is no point to mind when viewed through our eyes - it's simply a tool to getiing our mind working
-2- love redefines on each of the three levels of speciation and sub-speciation of man -
because the concave-convex duality is the :-) Universal evolutionary constant
-3- the fog as a transient stage - shutting off usage of mind to promote mind resonating to external reality
-4- postrock reveals a loss of words in its music - there's a general movement to loss of linearity
-5- stuff making sense is a requirement only of man with mind - our parochial viewpoint as of lately confers a viewpoint that we must understand it all - prove this and that, god, ourselves
- this is madness - ground covered on ADDf - an understanding of all problems raised by nonADD
presenting as a problem
vedanta
-6- mind pushed down, happiness reveals, the ring of mind closes, desire to comprehend wanes, belief in god restored, faith regained -
though therafter
-7- happiness as place on planet green and blue - mind pushed back into place - no more delusional desires of what it can and cannot do
-8- internal milieu - tremendous scope for progress - granularity of the internal stage more not less
-9- enter enhanced mind - the mind of adder - from web to webs -

evolution seen through eyes of change

speciation of modern man
3d(mind) -> 4d(mind with concept of time) -> 13d(mind changing)
speciation of postmodern man (adder)
3d' -> 4d' -> 13d'

13d -> 3d' brain fog to (mind of resonation)
the perfect perspective from which to view the aspirations which we hold dear -
they're the aspirations of the pre-3d state (our animal roots - our evolutionary legacy
-10- we lose the incompatible elements of animal with modern man - upon speciation to stage 3d' of postmodern man -
it's a ~by definition~ thang - whereby continued evolution is only mandated when the previous evolutionary platform runs its course -
... and so the (13d)animal which lead to 3d(modern man)

mother--father--child triad of mind 13d
13d x 3 ->- 3d'

completes (by deduction) -
on first sight of the emergent property on stage 3d'
(telepathy - resonant transfer between man and his fellow and the planet)
whereupon - the capacity need be extended - chain extension to other

3d' -> 4d'
and then (o->)(o+) ->- (o->o+)

4d' -> 13d'
and then to other similar dualities
(o->o+)(o->o+)

however this isn't quite right -
(i)noosphere forms here not 13d->3d'
(ii)where next?
(iii)what's the trinity of 13d' -> 3d''


:-)

reworking underway.

the fog hits from an early age -
it's a real pleasurable state as long as we have nothing which we need do -

odd.


- did not even want to smoke -


about time.

--- another time ---
-1- there is no point to mind when viewed through our eyes - it's simply a tool to getiing our mind working
-2- love redefines on each of the three levels of speciation and sub-speciation of man -
because the concave-convex duality is the :-) Universal evolutionary constant
-3- the fog as a transient stage - shutting off usage of mind to promote mind resonating to external reality
-4- postrock reveals a loss of words in its music - there's a general movement to loss of linearity
-5- stuff making sense is a requirement only of man with mind - our parochial viewpoint as of lately confers a viewpoint that we must understand it all - prove this and that, god, ourselves
- this is madness - ground covered on ADDf - an understanding of all problems raised by nonADD
presenting as a problem
vedanta
-6- mind pushed down, happiness reveals, the ring of mind closes, desire to comprehend wanes, belief in god restored, faith regained -
though therafter
-7- happiness as place on planet green and blue - mind pushed back into place - no more delusional desires of what it can and cannot do
-8- internal milieu - tremendous scope for progress - granularity of the internal stage more not less
-9- enter enhanced mind - the mind of adder - from web to webs -

whats brain fog?

however this isn't quite right -
(i)noosphere forms here not 13d->3d'
(ii)where next?
(iii)what's the trinity of 13d' -> 3d''


:-)

reworking underway.

it's a real pleasurable state as long as we have nothing which we need do -
(the happiest feeling).Thanks, that is .. good? True?

Maybe related .. I have always had a great susceptibility for a state of mind that I think is called samadhi by buddhists .. a sudden realisation that you're part of everything and that 'all is well' (at least that is how I experience it). I don't even need to meditate to experience it. It sometimes hits me out of the blue, and it is very much related to 'just letting the fog be the fog and be happy with it'.

Present, past, future, no more for me, But ever-present, all-flowing I, I, everywhere (samadhi by Paramahansa Yogananda (http://www.poetseers.org/spiritual_and_devotional_poets/ind/paramahansa_yogananda))

whats brain fog?
If you scroll up, it's the subject of this topic and a couple of people have attempted to describe it here.

oddDo yo mean that you cannot imagine why brain fog can be pleasurable?

about timeabout time for what :confused:

Thanks, that is .. good? True?

Maybe related .. I have always had a great susceptibility for a state of mind that I think is called samadhi by buddhists .. a sudden realisation that you're part of everything and that 'all is well' (at least that is how I experience it). I don't even need to meditate to experience it. It sometimes hits me out of the blue, and it is very much related to 'just letting the fog be the fog and be happy with it'.

I believe this applies to me as well.

My entire personality seems built around intuition, and holistic thinking, especially the feelings that "everything will turn out OK" and that "I am different to normal people, but it's not a bad thing". I quite often get the light-bulb effect Luthien describes, though perhaps in 2 forms: 1) a sudden realisation of how all the pieces fit together in a theory or idea, 2) a sudden realisation of where/how/why somebody/something fits into the grand scheme of things (often applied to myself).

<3 the ability to think holistically. It may come as no surprise, then, that some of my favourite areas of science are complexity theory, neural nets, cellular automata, the human brain, evolution, optimisation theory, chaos theory, etc. I recommend you all (or at least Luthien) read the book 'Frontiers of Complexity' by PV Coveney and RR Highfield.

Not sure how I'd relate this to brain fog, though. I barely understand what 'brain fog' is (or if in this thread we are even all describing the same phenomena), and it only hit me that it isn't the natural person's state of mind recently when I started taking medication again (after a 5 yr gap).

That said, I have mentioned before on these boards that I don't particularly enjoy taking ADHD meds (and never have in truth). My reasoning? Because it makes things all too 'clear' to me. It makes me efficient, but it makes me notice everything I should be doing that I normally don't. It makes me aware of my 'failings' with ADHD, but doesn't really provide any tools with which to fix them.

Without meds, things just seem more 'simple' and I feel, in a way, more content; there's a fog over my mind and I can simply worry about things one at a time, wherever the wind will take me.

'all there really is
~ is ~
the (-).two.(-) of us'

intimately converged webs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXovbTgfOPA&feature=related)
icw(s)

Universal patterns 'ending' physics
unifying all

'for an eternity only
- and by Universal decree - lose yourself in the ubiquitous company of
I give you ... .... '

(i(c)w)(s)

Difficulty (brain fog) in thinking helps us to realise the subservience of man with mind to think, to think about problems of thought -
of thought's subservience to the ubiquity of

(.i.(.c.).w.).(s)
~ ..evolutionary .. ~

- brain fog -
a period of reflective introspection (of structural change to 'better') during which mind
re-aligned
( to happily )

preceding subsequence of attempt
understanding without temperance

and what'd be the point?
(exactly)

and what actually matters ?

enlightened vision out over notionalexternal ---
breeding quality of notionalinternal ---
---realities

recognize that place in time
our place within therein we'rein
issues abounding like errr.........
(shrugs)
.........'aplenty'

without inner strength
- stoic temperance from within
helpin' overcome
'less than'
become
'better than'

gaze upon beauty of (((geometries))) (((of nature)))
- within without -
all perspects gazin' upon
that one's eyes shall see
clarity o'er o'ur

e
'
e
r
y

so the processes within the Universe are a game of pool - where there are very many balls of many different sizes moving upon a three dimensional pool table -
- and where the faster moving balls are in increased likelihood of being within vicinity of balls which are identical to them in every way -
except moving in the opposite direction.
When two balls collide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8jyHiLV4Zk) - they form a ball which is not the additive - instead the ^2 potential energy content of the two
potential E = mc^2

and so it continues ... ... ...

those taken to ma-kind comments over cyclical processes'd be best advised to regard a collection of books -
forget their names
generally referred to as Holy or sumptin'

forget their names

' ... ... as it was in the beginning (nth)
so shall it be in the (nth) end '

whomsoever it was
(wretched ADD)
one thing
- on one thing I'm sure
they (the authors) 'd have made for mightymightymighty fine scientists ... ... ... :-) ... ... mighty fine ADD scientists

(all in the morality)

I recommend you all (or at least Luthien) read the book 'Frontiers of Complexity' by PV Coveney and RR Highfield.
Aye Cap'n :)

That said, I have mentioned before on these boards that I don't particularly enjoy taking ADHD meds (and never have in truth). My reasoning? Because it makes things all too 'clear' to me. It makes me efficient, but it makes me notice everything I should be doing that I normally don't. It makes me aware of my 'failings' with ADHD, but doesn't really provide any tools with which to fix them.

Without meds, things just seem more 'simple' and I feel, in a way, more content; there's a fog over my mind and I can simply worry about things one at a time, wherever the wind will take me.
Oh - that is indeed different ... I feel more simple on meds. I don't worry. There is just one thought at a time. Without, when I am in a fretting mood, it becomes a cloud of buzzing worries, splitting off and fusing and jumping this way and that without arriving anywhere .. like a cloud of fruit flies (but a lot faster). Or, come to think of it (bit it's getting late), like an orbital cloud of electrons belonging to one of the heavier elements.
But on the positive side .. without meds I can space out which is the pleasurable state that SB talks about. And that is great too.
But I really like the incredible sense of peace that comes over me when I take the meds and go back to bed for an hour .. and then this amazing sense of quite comes over me .. I have never experienced that before. I noticed my heart rate has lately gone down to about 60 .. it was always somewhat elevated, like 80 bpm.

But I really like the incredible sense of peace that comes over me when I take the meds and go back to bed for an hour .. and then this amazing sense of quite comes over me ..

that's a perfect description of how I am also -
'cept I daydream in front of a computer screen
---in that hour or so---
(commencing 10 or 15 minutes after taking meds)
(10mg dexedrine)

to reach -> that *exact same (self same)* place <- ... ...

hmmm...

very interesting Dr Luthien -
- or is that

Dr L'ove ?

:-)

ooops!
cover blown

yeah!

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:NAzzuazISZEj7M:http://www.maths.tcd.ie/%7Esboyle/death-portrait.gif

Dr D'eath -
been meaning to call :-)

' so pleased to ... ... ... '

heck !

daydreamin' sandwomen
and
death -

- by the way

' (don't like to brag)
but ain't I a doll :-) '

says 'death'

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:3A6J6ZdibUSuwM:http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1367/820033592_e27ab422de_o.jpg

of what ?
'd be the pertinent though :-)

who bears an uncanny
... to someone'd who'd be within corner of one's eye
currently -
feeding #1 through #3

she is
:-)

tellya'
can't even wait till midday -
ravenaous #1 though #3

we - appear to have lost our appetite for food -
though -
not sign of unhappiness or disdain
just
as with everything
~ evolutionary ~
:-)

-*-

ADD
we live through each stage in our own evolutionary process
and final stage not seen if failure to grow through mind
into wisdom of maturity

where ~wisdom~ is inner resonant peace in our place in time
:-) wherever that may be
immaterial
because if all there really is
(from very personal perspective through eyes of either
one man
one woman)
~is~
the two of us

then wherever is exactly wherever
that ordained place
within which
we
sacred ground
sanctity of

sated
fated

admitted belated
-ly

at least - now
at last :-)
shall be

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:DZZlrt_iZXzTpM:http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_03_img0919.jpg

I tellya'

is it possible to have an original thought in this world ?

more complexity ! is
(momentaryforlorn shoegazin' swirl)

beseeched
:-)


(momentaryforlorn shoegazin' swirl)
show me the smilie !

Oh - that is indeed different ... I feel more simple on meds.

As do I. I don't like simple.

I don't worry. There is just one thought at a time. Without, when I am in a fretting mood, it becomes a cloud of buzzing worries, splitting off and fusing and jumping this way and that without arriving anywhere .. like a cloud of fruit flies (but a lot faster). Or, come to think of it (bit it's getting late), like an orbital cloud of electrons belonging to one of the heavier elements.I think I've grown to cope with this buzzing cloud of things I should be doing, but don't quite remember what they are, putting it to the back of the mind where it gets forgotten (I still get the nagging feelings sometimes, but not as much any more). Almost as though I give up, but in reality I just have confidence that if it's really important it'll come to me, or somebody will remind me. Because really, what's the other option? Anxiety, stress, pain, worry, depression?

And that's exactly the problem. On medication, this "buzzing cloud" of worries, thoughts and/or things to do is lifted. I'd grown used to it; it felt comforting in a way. But on meds, it's almost like I can see everything plain as day, and I start to worry again. I can't hide behind the buzzing cloud any longer; I can't hide behind ignorance or forgetfulness any longer.

It's like going to bed and waking up to static on a TV in the background all your life, then one day when you go to bed, it's been turned off. You try to go to bed, but it just doesn't seem right without the static.

Ah, but I can't have my cake and eat it.

... ... like an orbital cloud of electrons belonging to one of the heavier elements.

mathematical poetry
moves to prosaic physics;

so boy!
is it an art? or a science?
I need to tick the box

but but but

but

there's only one thread here

Yours internally,
Yours reality,
Yours 13-dimensionally,
Yours mentality,

Yours perpetually,
Yours dynamically,

are you serious ?
I need to tick a box

no you don't

Yours sincerely.

I never thought of people without ADHD as Vogons... but I really like the analogy!

I never thought of people without ADHD as Vogons... but I really like the analogy!

:-)

(i)
ugly

(ii)
need to have an audience

(iii)
sufficiently ignorant to fail to understand that others are less than not interested in their poetry(read bureaucracy)

(iv)
devoid of morality

and to cap it all - they

(v)
destroyed our world

the weakness in the argument is though that destruction breeds creation
applauding californication's lament

this adds the very complex fast-follower of -
- in a world of 'action - reaction'

would reaction of 'better' have occurred if 'less than better' had not ... ...
... darn it !
... that's a tough question

tough tough tough -
kinda' askin' if we could count up the cumulative unhappiness count of a species over preceding 10,000 years -
could we have arrived at here -
less unhappily -
dang
that's tough
... a mighty tough question

I love the site of complexity fjords
(not a person around)
in the mornin'

site,smell

quietly surveying -
- allonely silence

yet don't even know what fjords look like really -
beyond an attached picture on ADDF

the answer's in the mind of adders

imaginary

So -

-1-
people want to be happy

-2-
people have not realised that the instinct which we chase to 'feel good'
the instantaneous dopaminergic hit of
food
drugs
physical battle involving victory at the expense of another
physical relations involving self-serving spasm of smooth muscle - gratuity

pales into insignificance against another.

food gives way to remarkable complexity of protocol in preparation

drugs give way to an intellectual and dark and current sub-culture within which we find many of our interesting members of
Dr Moriarty

physical battle into the art of war, strategy and chess

physical relations into works of leather-clad fantasy.

-3-
so - people want to be happy

~however~

-4-
pleasures of the flesure aren't really cutting it
... are they?

stimulation insufficient
we
need make these 'fun' dreary tasks
more 'fun' actually

sheesh!

boring boring through to their emptycentric cores
physical pleasures satisfying negligbly


-5-
and since
- people want to be happy

-6-
put one and one equals living lives
a line with

remarkable complexity
intellectual and dark
the art of strategy
live life within leather-clad fantasy
of
cerebral abstraction more (give me more) complex
complexity
power surgin'
high tension high tensile
taut tempestuous feelin'
barely holdin'
helm disintegratin'

helm holdin'

nails implanted
livin'
precariously

but in a nice way :-)

so what's brain fog?

(1) from the previous post -
neural stimulation is a necessity

(2) brain fog implies
- neural activity -
so yeah !
sure -
not the :-) required - neural activity

brain fog implies - not being so sure about what's going on up there

brain fog implies the brain flying itself -
and the mind bein affected accordingly

so what's brain fog ?

change - ? -

13d' -> 3d'' from previously where - the answer's in the quote
:-)


We believe dealing with that epiphany is the last and biggest chapter of the story of our drugs and therapies losing effectiveness.

There’s not yet much written about this particular issue, but the undercurrent is there if you look for it.

and from that post


It’s going to be interesting in a few years to go back and look at the statistics on the homeless over about a fifty year period.


and from Rufus -
the blues guitar wielding wisdom bearer from the most excellent future

dudes ... ...

... ... they* get better you know


where * here is the collective formerly known as 'modern man'

:-)

exxxcerrrlennn !

so what is brain fog ?

13' ->-ch ch ch
changes->- 3''


'turn and take the brain strain - '
:-)

I never thought of people without ADHD as Vogons... but I really like the analogy!
Haha, so do I ... that thought is a great start of my day (even on meds :p)

This is interesting :)

As do I. I don't like simple.
I like it .. sometimes. Or rather: have a use for it. For some things, simple really feels like 'oh, is that all there is to it?' - like a relief. In practical things that need to be done .. like I am now planning to move back to Europe. I can use simple there a lot. These things used to be overwhelming. I could also have used a lot of simple when studying math.
For other things, simple is just not good enough. If you try and force simple on complex things, you generate vogonity :)
So I really like it that the buzzing cloud of thoughts sort of mirrors life, the universe and everything.

I think I've grown to cope with this buzzing cloud of things I should be doing, but don't quite remember what they are, putting it to the back of the mind where it gets forgotten (I still get the nagging feelings sometimes, but not as much any more). Almost as though I give up, but in reality I just have confidence that if it's really important it'll come to me, or somebody will remind me. Because really, what's the other option? Anxiety, stress, pain, worry, depression?
I am really intrigued by how this works with you!
The exact same thing happens with me .. things are being put at the back of the mind, where they are either completely forgotten - or slyly start to generate unexpected jolts of guilt that usually still don't motivate me enough to do, and get rid of, them. And then, after a while, someone will usually remind me .. my partner .. or the phone company that threatens to cut me off. Problem is that these others lose their patience sooner or later. My parents did, and my teachers .. my partners, my phone companies and my employers. And this is what I think gave me anxiety, stress, pain and worry. I don't live up to their expectations .. I'd rather dream.

For me: meds stop the worrying and the anxiety, because I feel that they are - being thoughts themselves - part of the buzzing cloud too.
For you, they seem to rob you of the very thing that you used to shield you from worrying and anxiety?

And that's exactly the problem. On medication, this "buzzing cloud" of worries, thoughts and/or things to do is lifted. I'd grown used to it; it felt comforting in a way. But on meds, it's almost like I can see everything plain as day, and I start to worry again. I can't hide behind the buzzing cloud any longer; I can't hide behind ignorance or forgetfulness any longer.
:p - if I can see clear .. I can relax, because there are no more forgotten things that develop* in full-grown demons of guilt that jump from behind a stray thought and go BOO at me.

It's like going to bed and waking up to static on a TV in the background all your life, then one day when you go to bed, it's been turned off. You try to go to bed, but it just doesn't seem right without the static.
maybe .. hmm .. it's not that the static is totally gone .. but it is just a lot less. Maybe I'd feel like that if I would go higher on the dex .. some people report a zombie-like feeling .. but I have not yet reached that. It's just a lot more .. peaceful.

* probably through a similar process as the spontaneous creation of life forms** in left-overs in fridges

**Gone for three months, come back and everything in your refrigerator turns into a science project.

that's a perfect description of how I am also -
'cept I daydream in front of a computer screen
---in that hour or so---
(commencing 10 or 15 minutes after taking meds)
(10mg dexedrine)

to reach -> that *exact same (self same)* place <- ... ...

hmmm...

very interesting Dr Luthien -
- or is that

Dr L'ove ?

:-)
there's no difference, afaik :p

:-)

would reaction of 'better' have occurred if 'less than better' had not ... ...
... darn it !
... that's a tough question

tough tough tough -
kinda' askin' if we could count up the cumulative unhappiness count of a species over preceding 10,000 years -
could we have arrived at here -
less unhappily -
dang
that's tough
... a mighty tough question


Which came first, ego or doubt?
Would there be a difference,
if 'order' was flipped?

simple->complex?
'n'
->complex->simp-ly?

does it oddly even matter?
(even)
oddly if,
______
s'all ways ex-sell-ant-|y

(hi pi)

b a l a l a l a l a l a n c e

wonder
woman

(wowo!)

Misleading questions may be miss<-construed pending propsencity (even) wonder.
Woman
Won Woman
One woman
(y)our wo/man
(n~un-specifically)


Do we really ask: (ego) vs (doubt)
b. simplex -> complex (evolve towar)d? (e/go)
a. complex->simp-ly (kino!w/e)

doub+ -e- go+

one

place.

~or~

wantneed to know/no wo-man
why won one?


what did th()ee win?

cerious milk mind
structure'n internal milieu of
random mind

beware

floodgates opening

:-)


ah!

sheesh - they're borg as well as vogons -
throw in sontarans
and daleks
too -

- for good measure

oh lordy lordy ! :-)


the history of sci-fi has been about runnin' from ourselves


exterminate
-self

doink!

Ha Ha Ha , You Guys are too sharp to handle , too subtle to argue and simply too intelligent to understand.Its really hard to understand the high fi words you just presented.You write really cool stuff eh , wish i could write either .
but the thread is going off topic.

Ha Ha Ha , You Guys are too sharp to handle , too subtle to argue and simply too intelligent to understand.Its really hard to understand the high fi words you just presented.You write really cool stuff eh , wish i could write either .
but the thread is going off topic.

you speaky this language
give your self over to your inner sprite

- ADD -

... ... he who cannot be confined by regulation 5. sub-neath you 2. parratworld not3. linear sentence 4. the fools of
our world.

5... 2... 3... 4...

erm... 1...

doink !

I guess your getting too hyper boy , calm down!

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:052jjIzAk9huCM:http://www.freshroses.com/petals.jpg


arghhh !

greek petals

:-)

(are screaming at me)

man !
this isn't a disorder or disease (ADD)

every October end
I've felt moods slowing (slowing down) with the days shortening - the desire to go out only in the dark - and a particular type of slow tempo (boards of canada) music

and right now - am experiencing the opposing state of speeding up mind, musical taste speeding, desire to be in the sun and not dark
greater optimism -

'winter sadness'
'speing madness'

is very real -

- but then again we're :-) animals, aren't we (intelligent) -

where aspects of our animal ancestry which do not interfere with our higher level emergent properties

are

retained.

I guess your getting too hyper boy , calm down!


Peter 'greek' Petals Parker

good spot

transition point 1 -> end feb
ADHD
transition point 2 -> end oct
ADD-I

the duality leads to a single structure of two poles -
- bipolarity

this bipolarity is of
ADHD
ADD-I

changing with the seasons -

:-)

(I see)

Ignorance is Bliss
->-
The capacity to accept
' where we've come from
where we're goin' '

will forever remain hidden to us -
orthogonal domain
and that we require faith in order to live -
rather than die our lives away
unprovable faith in our (way back !) origins
:-)
even prior to carbonaceous chondrite
~and~
in our (way out !) future
surfin' holodecksa' intergalactic schooners December 31st 2999 -

Ignorance is Death
->-
a failure to make the nonADD -> ADD transition

Choose the right ones at the right time
belief in 'god' (in effect)
- having faith is not negotiable
trying to prove god's existence will fail
accept that the evolutionary principle defines our path to happiness
- and that current attempts to 'understand' all
to become gods
(how silly is that ?)
as necessary precursors to happiness
- simply -
mind meets legacy evolutionary psychology and competes to win

sure - we can beat up people who're less powerful than ourselves
and sure -
- we are beaten up by people more powerful than ourselves

though -
only so far
this desire
run its course
lacking in bite

toothless grin fails to entice

which is all to say that :-)

Ignorance is Bliss
Ignorance is Death
Choose the right ones
at the right time

Parker's gottit goin' on and on and

on

and

on

(2) brain fog implies
- neural activity -
so yeah !
sure -
not the :-) required - neural activityIt'd be good to hear SB, out, at least bits and pieces (which is all that is necessary in conversation)

Yes,
Just dropping your dreams of chain smoking focused bliss.. Cuz' it's self induced anyway...

There is a lot more to be focused about.. lol (if that makes sense) . . .

Eventually,
you'll realize that it's partly a matter of replacement and determination . .:D Don't dwell in your lost dependency.. Go find another lover:D

toothless grin fails to entice

Eventually,
you'll realize that it's partly a matter of replacement and determination . .:D Don't dwell in your lost dependency.. Go find another lover:Djust not one you feel the need to set on fire and smoke:D

Bowie
changesDon't want to be a richer man
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
-> false nature of $ wealth
I said that time may change me
But I can't Tray's time
-> god's creation not gods
I watch the ripples change their size
But never leave the stream
-> a Universal duvet - where we are transient creases
Of warm impermanence and
- where we are transient creases
So the days float through my eyes
But still the days seem the same
-> (3 -> 4 -> 13d)n
And these children that you spit on
ADDer low acievers - high achievin' compared to predecessor legacy antecedents
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
-> just try harder - work harder - there's no such thing as a free lunch
They're quite aware of what they're going through
-> well - I guess I am now
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
-> the social impulse (Stabile) - breaking oneself to reinstate better
Ch-ch-Changes
Don't tell them to grow up and out of it
-> since evolution changes he,she for the better
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)

Ch-ch-Changes
Where's your shame ?
Where's your shame ? Where's your shame ? Where's your shame ?
You've left us up to our necks in it
Where's your shame ? Where's your shame ? Where's your shame ?

Time may change me
But you can't trace time

Strange fascination, fascinating me
Changes are taking the pace I'm going through

I said that time may change me

But I can't Tray's time
seasons may change,
seasons my change
- change me
reciprocatin' with other
'sphere
of influence
tango ch-ch-ch anges
with
time may change me
But I can't Tray's time

Point of the previous post and this current follow-up post

Thread title - 'brain fog'

Summary

brain fog ->-represents->- 'ch ch ch anges'

where

nonADD is

And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through

and ADD asks

where's your shame?
you've left us up to our neck in it

enough !

now - shoo !

don't want to be a rich$man
because that is below ADD.

mind not money

how much simpler do you need this to be ?
logically unconstrained - sure you are
though I'm hoping you guys have a vocabulary which extends beyond three

'me, me, me'

otherwise alla' this may well prove insurmountable 'monkeys'

called Mitch
->- somewhere on ADDF where 'search' has not as yet ventured.

Point of post

a reference to post #48
Tray's time
== a reference to ==
Tracy's time zone
(being in the southern hemisphere)
where

Tracy (from the 'visitor messages section')

Goodness Gracious....it's not like you to be this quiet..it's SPRING you know
Well..Spring for you, Autumn for me
opposing seasons
seasonal dualities
Shut-up Tracy

revealing a bipolar switch in mind which occurs with the changing of the seasons.

The nature of rhythm - universal rhythms being timed to our own species-wide development -
astrology scored this pattern - and thereafter lost it to the skeptic - who in his faithless pointless to 'all of this'
threw out 'baby' - keepin' every last drop of the dirty bath water -
formalized into bureaucratic nonsense
- nurtured and cared for -
a stagnant pool where

had we listened - we'd have a bouncin' baby
- who'd
(if we'd listened)
enrich our lives
(in time)
enrich the desperately seekin' tapestry
- would have enriched those lives who 've ignorantly conspired to take
'conform and annhilate fresh creativity'
*his*

Point of post

a reference to the nature of the mind of man being tied to rhythms (point 1), and that the rhythms expose themselves in the bipolarity of - for instance - bipolar disorder (of the mind) (internal rrreality)
and in the planet (North and South poles) (external RRReality) (point 2).

Point 1
The rhythm can be imagined as a series of cogs - which rotate and which rotate through two poles - turning other cogs.

Point 2
There is no such thing as a noun - a noun represents a masquerading verb.
This should not come as a surprise.
Track the nature of everything we can touch down to the atom - and we'll find that the nature of everything we know
- of -
- in effect -
a moving coloured (holograph) conveyor belt (force field) (brane) (imagine electrons moving as the belt on a running machine) giving the impression - on account 'running on the spot' -
of being static.
This is the potential energy of mc^2

and brane (force-field), holograph are seen as {closely juxtaposed, reactive, duals, interacting partners, reciprocal} using google :

Holographic (A.) Entropy (B.) on a Brane (C.) from the dS/CFT Correspondence
From the point of view of brane-world physics, .... This entropy is identical to the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy of a 5-dimensional dS ...
ptp.ipap.jp/link?PTPS/148/173/ - Similar pages (A.)Holographic -> as above
(B.) Entropy -> relates to the second law of thermodynamics - now merging with the idea of complexity, chaos and energetic distribution - taking in kinetic energy and
potential energy -> as above

(C.) Brane -> as above
NB.
google search terms [holograph,brane]

cool..very good point sb :)

Seasons Change
Even in Cambridge
:p
Brain fog hopefully diminishing


Originally posted by Anastacia

You can feel the air start to change
When you're walkin' out in the rain
And the colors inside your brain start fading
Til the winter is washed away
And nothing really feels the same
When sunlight's in your eyes
You feel alive

It feels like an eternal haze
But it's only a faze
It's all in your mind
Oh, when you feel invisible, uh
Just know you're not alone


Happy turns to sad
Sometimes life gets bad
Things get rearranged
Nothing stays the same
It just never ends
Here we go again
One thing
Still remains
Seasons seasons change

and My point for the post above (copying sb here!)

Originally Posted by Tracy
Goodness Gracious....it's not like you to be this quiet..it's SPRING you know
Well..Spring for you, Autumn for me
opposing seasons
seasonal dualities
Shut-up Tracy

continuing from

Goodness Gracious....it's not like you to be this quiet..it's SPRING you know
Well..Spring for you, Autumn for me
opposing seasons
seasonal dualities
Shut-up Tracy

brain fog is given the perfect mechanistic overview by Tracy

Seasons Change
Even in Cambridge
:p
Brain fog hopefully diminishing

seasons lead to the bipolar shift through brain fog -
- from (in my case over the last couple of days)

a max g transition between (never previously felt that intense a switch before)

ADD-I and ADHD

winter hibernation -> spring frolicking 'round

I think that the brain fog relates to the switch between the two poles -
-H
and
-I
and when balanced - that the switch occurs (here for me in the UK)
- on

winter changes to spring (feb end) (transient high)
summer changes to autumn (oct end) (transient low - blues)

Global warming will relate to this process -
- of a magnetic pole reversal -
- an incompletely understood phenomenon (at least from the perspective of documented in publically available text) (at least pre-ADDf)

So - the standard polar switch occurs with defined periodicity -
- however in advance of the emergent structure forming -
switches are more rapid -
a kinda' series of structural rearrangements to deliver emergent structure.

The bipolar switches in an emergent structure occur with
(1)
defined periodicity
(2)
- however before emergent structure formation - they represent (with each shift) - a kinda' reorganization towards more stable -
shaking the pieces up into the air -
- knowing that each time one performs this action -
- they'll land back down in closer to the desired array -
- for us to claim emergence has occurred.
(3)
Importantly - though - I believe that the bipolar shifts can also be mandated post-emergent structure formation - and 'out of sync' with the expected periodicity -
and that this ad hoc bipolar shift can be seen as a form of 'immune system'
- it's kinda' like we have a brick wall of 10 layers -
each of a different colour of brick -
and from time to time a virus will attack a specific colour of brick - at whichever level -
and in order to prevent the whole wall from crumbling -
the bipolar shift (protective mechanism) is elicited to protect that layer - and hence all layers above
from attack.
The {levels,layers} above relate to the abstraction layers from previously on ADDf
commonly the mental and physical abstraction layers
similarly -
the idea that we are composed of atoms which make up elements ~etc~
where

atom ->
chemical element ->

represent two different coloured {levels,layers} in the brick wall above.

and that this ad hoc bipolar shift can be seen as a form of 'immune system'

-> explaining away ->
Global warming will relate to this process -
- of a magnetic pole reversal -
- an incompletely understood phenomenon (at least from the perspective of documented in publically available text) (at least pre-ADDf)


as reactivity towards atmospheric {carbon dioxide levels,surface temperature} - and the effects on de novo water synthesis - because of a shift in environmental conditions ?perhaps
(didn't think about this last sentence -
it could well be even more way out !
than usual)
:-)
(yeah! and I have no idea where any of this is coming from -
I struggle enough over remembering my initials) ... ... ...

Emergent structures are layered - and are in the structure of the 'famous' Lorentzian Riemannian butterfly of -
in effect the cross-section of a ring - one side moving towards and the other side moving away from us.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:-YmbjtRd1hdhTM:http://www.sewanee.edu/Physics/PHYSICS123/lorentz.gif

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0koWtuOlBQYjXM:http://www.fun-shop.com/images/17feathersandeyemasks/17001.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/TheRing.gif

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:jgH8mw1SjkvwgM:http://abstractart.20m.com/Picasso-The_Dream-Surrelism.jpg

with focus in Picasso - only upon the
butterfly-shaped
heart-shaped

head of the woman.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:jgH8mw1SjkvwgM:http://abstractart.20m.com/Picasso-The_Dream-Surrelism.jpg
I think it looks more like a lady who has had her head chopped with an axe!!!

Emergent structures are layered - and are in the structure of the 'famous' Lorentzian Riemannian butterfly of -
in effect the cross-section of a ring - one side moving towards and the other side moving away from us.

the revolving sausage idea?

I struggle enough over remembering my initials) ... ... ...

I 'm not surprised :)
I keep calling you ss, instead of sb :)

That's a strange attractor.

I think the best analogy I've ever heard for ADHD was this:
Imagine going to a mall the day after thanksgiving in San Francisco. The lights, the sounds, the bare elbows brushing against everything. Clinking, arguing, fighting, running, flashing; misbehaving children running around without proper supervision. People arguing over the last whatchamacallit because the store ran out of it. Just utter f*cking chaos.
ADHD hyperactive is like feeling that way ALL THE TIME.
My form of ADHD, ADHD Primarily Inattentive, is like that evening after getting home -- the overstimulation just puts you into a closed mood; you don't want to listen to music, talk to anyone, even have lights on. And you certainly don't want to even THINK about what should be getting done the next day. You just want to melt into the couch because you are so -- well -- mentally beaten.
ADHD PI is like that evening, but all the time, no matter how much caffeine or nicotine you have.

-- Allen

ADHD PI is like that evening, but all the time, no matter how much caffeine or nicotine you have.
I've never been to San Fransisco, but that is a really good description .. because it is not like "busy" or "fast" .. despite that my thoughts can fly all over the place it does not feel busy or fast ... but as if you have been subjected to far too much "busy" or "fast".

That makes it also so tangible what that silence, peace or stillness that dexedrine generates feels like.

I don't smoke but I'm in an almost constant state of brain fog. It's like my thoughts are swirling around in there and crashing into each other but to actually get a grasp on one of them is painful. Constant pressure in my head if I need to get anything done. Coffee and tylenol pm slow the thoughts so I have one thought at a time but then of course I get sleepy. Have to have coffee or something to sleep.

Ah the brain fog. Well I wrote "brain fog gone" on my descript sheet for dexedrine to my pshyc... dexedrine bring shut up mind and look at these people and world around you, no no don't THINK About these people and world around you, LOOOK at these people and world around you, then THINK about what you see, don't see what you THINK.

OMG, that's why I can't sleep at night... I see what I think. It's especially bad w/the brain fog b/c it's just shapes moving around and colliding and changing size.

I hate the fog. Must shake it somehow.

I swear to god weed gave me brain fog. I was smoking it every weekend for awhile out of a gb and everytime it made me extremely out of it. Then one morning I woke up and boom intense pain brain fog.. not to mention depression and anxiety like woah. It's taken me weeks to get out of brain fog and I'm finally feeling like my anxiety is almost gone.

I think the best analogy I've ever heard for ADHD was this:
Imagine going to a mall the day after thanksgiving in San Francisco. The lights, the sounds, the bare elbows brushing against everything. Clinking, arguing, fighting, running, flashing; misbehaving children running around without proper supervision. People arguing over the last whatchamacallit because the store ran out of it. Just utter f*cking chaos.
ADHD hyperactive is like feeling that way ALL THE TIME.
My form of ADHD, ADHD Primarily Inattentive, is like that evening after getting home -- the overstimulation just puts you into a closed mood; you don't want to listen to music, talk to anyone, even have lights on. And you certainly don't want to even THINK about what should be getting done the next day. You just want to melt into the couch because you are so -- well -- mentally beaten.
ADHD PI is like that evening, but all the time, no matter how much caffeine or nicotine you have.

-- Allen


WOW. Nice to know I'm not the only one. I never knew why I felt this way. It happens like almost everyday!

I swear to god weed gave me brain fog. I was smoking it every weekend for awhile out of a gb and everytime it made me extremely out of it. Then one morning I woke up and boom intense pain brain fog.. not to mention depression and anxiety like woah. It's taken me weeks to get out of brain fog and I'm finally feeling like my anxiety is almost gone.


Yup, weed is not good, especially the strong stuff sold almost exclusively nowadays. I used it regularly for like 2 years like 10 years ago and in the years after I occasionally took a few drags on a party. Thats when I started noticing what it does with your mind. Second day after use I'd get severe depression and it would take like weeks indeed tot have a relatively clear head again.

Weird this is that by no means this fog you mention is comparable to what I see as my ADD-related distractability. For that I still find no better description than "too many thoughts about irellevant stuff causing all sorts of symptoms like anxiety, depression, negativity, mood swings, fatige, irretabilit etc" None of them really like the seperate mental conditions though. Probably thats also why antidepressants have no positive effect on me whatsoever.

But back on topic;

Being oversensitive can cause all sorts of weird little physical things too. Maybe you are physically oversensitive as well which for instance might lead to small infections in sinusses. With me infection of those probably created small damage(Not visible on CT) to some nerve in that region which is why I have strange sensations on one side of my head sometimes.(no sound though) But I don't feel like medication is making it worse, it even represses my physical sensitivity.

I have had "brain fog" for as long as I can remember...it just didn't have a name. For the last six years or so, I have been using Strattera (60 mg once daily) with a 50-60% success rate. I never knew what it felt like not to be in a fog until I was diagnosed with ADHD and treated for it. The meds take away the fog, but only if used consistently, and it still shows up every once in a while when I am overworked. As of yet no total cure that I know of...just glad(and sad) there are those of you that can relate. Don't know if it will ever fully go away, but I know how devastating and uncontrollable the feeling is. Advice: find something that relieves it(you will know in a very short time...should be night and day) and stick with it, change dosing as needed, and follow up with someone on it. Hope that helps!!

ps- Never smoked for any extended period of time.