Nearly the same, yet altogether different forms of communication. Concerning speaking, and actually getting across what you want to say, this requires correct timing and a bit of forethought, and sometimes we end up saying either too much or too little, or something so jumbled we don't know how it began so clearly as a thought and then made it's way to leaving the tip of the tongue as sounding more akin to being borderline retarded. Being more expressive verbally in writing obviously excuses the writer to consider more at length his/her points and opinions before addressing anything. Just thought I'd post, probably a dupicate topic about it somewhere anyway.

Yes. Definitely. I'm much less scattered in my writing, but most of my writing is done in a hyperfocused/hypomanic state, which helps on the organization.

Sandy.

Of course. Different levels. BUT, I can even express myself better inside my mind.

MUCH better in writing than paper...

Some can write well ... others can speak well ... some can read voraciously ... some can listen deeply ... and some can feel, think or understand profoundly. ADDers can do one or more of these things. Some can do so slowly, others fast.

Do what you do best, and try to learn the rest as much as you're able. :cool:


P.S. On a side note, the famed heart surgeon and inventor, Michael DeBakey, 99, recently said: "One of the rarest things we do is think. I don't know why people don't do it more often. It doesn't cost anything. Think about that." Esquire, 182 (Mar. 2008).

P.S.S. One other thread: http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49942

Yep, I am much better when I am not on the spot as well. I always get jumbled up while volunteering in class, when I call out the answers I speak smoother. You are not alone!

Yuppers! I so wish i could speak as easily as I write. Occasionally I get near to that when I feel totally safe and relaxed with the people I'm around. That's rare.
I'll throw you back to an old post of mine to answer this one:

"I love meaningful, interesting, even heated conversations in a group I rarely enter them because I can't keep up with the flow. My brain goes on slow-mo while I search the data banks for a response. By the time I come up with one, the topic has shifted and back into the banks I go. Or I respond to the past topic and throw the conversation off. Or I try and blurt out my thoughts -while they are cohesive-lightning fast. And usually follow it up with a nervous giggle. I wind up just feeling inadequate and usually keep quiet. I HATE to come accross as stupid. I'm very bright and have a lot to say but it needs to be on my time and people don't get it. I SO want to participate in meaningful socializing but my fear of appearing like an idiot causes me to withdraw. It's a painful paradox.:("<!-- / message -->

If only my mouth had a <-- Bk Sp button!

I'm terrible at expressing myself in writing or speaking. But I'm awesome in my own head! If only I could get it on paper the same way!...or if I can talk the same way. I'd love to write a book but I seem to write best in my head. Put it on paper and it sounds stupid.

totally get it :)
I long to be able to have meaningful conversations with people but when things get "serious" i usually make a silly joke or trivialize the situation without meaning to. Or if i get relaxed enough with someone i trust and are comfortable with (not many ppl) I take that long to work up the courage to say something and actually speak it out that the person i am talking to gets frustrated and goes away or has to keep asking me to say what is wrong or what i wanted to say which not only frustrates them but frustrates me as well. so if i actually find someone willing to listen to me and hold me while i talk (touch sensory issues major haha) then by the time i actually say anything interest is lost or frustration is high.
Writing is a semi issue due to holding pen too tightly because of brain trying to process things (any other ADDers get this?) but typing on the other hand :D
If im typing something I can have time to think about it and as im also a pretty quick typer i can keep up with whats going on in my head..and erase if necessary :D
As Uneek1 said "I'm terrible at expressing myself in writing or speaking. But I'm awesome in my own head!" amen to that
=]

I like writing when I want to express an idea.

I find that I get a dry mouth when I talk even a few words these days and so cannot talk without some discomfort (don't care enough to overcome the problem with gum).

Pictures are more satisfying than words -
though they take me forever.

I'm thinking that communication of ideas (definitely by linear language - but even maybe by the nonlinearity of written poetic expression)
are just too slow.

The problem - communication is two way -
- if even nonlinear poetry is barely effective in *two* - way communication

how could we develop an effective mechanism for conveying more information, quicker and without fear of information loss in transit?

Born in Glasgow in Scotland, I’m what is known as a Glaswegian and I talk like this…

Am offe tay the shope doon the street for a loaf a breed

Translate - I’m off to the shop down the street for a loaf of bread. :)

And I write like this…. I am a wonderful word-smith. I love word, I don’t like to talk. I’m very quiet and quite shy. I only really converse with family and very close friends. :)

Yes, absolutely. I write MUCH better than I can speak at this point. I only talk to the people I feel most comfortable talking to, and I don't even go out because I'm simply not comfortable talking with people I don't know the first thing about.

But writing on the 'net is really easy for me. I feel like I can 'speak' more articulately through hitting keys on the keyboard. I even try short stories about life in general, especially in people with mental illnesses, but I never seem to finish them because I get bored so easily.

I can def get my point across better in writing then in speaking. Its so incredibly frustrating wehn speaking and people not understanding what u are saying. Must be an ADD thing!

The wonderful thing about writing is that one can edit, and that there is time to do so. When speaking, whether it is just among friends, or in public, is that the "editor" has to be working "on the fly" I am not very good at that

I can formulate longer in my head before I write, this gives me an edge over speaking. I tend to speak before I think at times and often doesn't give the proper meaning.:o

I have always written just like i speak. If you were to read it, it's just like having a conversation. i do express myself better on paper.

Yes. Without a doubt.

I hate trying to communicate with one of my supervisors sometimes. I'm terrible at explaining and keep flubbing up. She's bugging me, asking, "So what's the question?" and that makes it worse! Definately can't communicate effictively! Other times she's cool. I just can't ask her questions where I have to explain.

This is a bit off topic, but do you guys assume. For example if someone is going to ask you question do you respond before the question is complete...sometimes my thoughts are so off, my answer sounds so dumb :(

This is a bit off topic, but do you guys assume. For example if someone is going to ask you question do you respond before the question is complete...sometimes my thoughts are so off, my answer sounds so dumb :(

This afternoon, I overheard my 4 year old talking to a computer program. "Blah, blah, blah. I know, I know." When it finally got to the interactive part, she realized that she had been talking over key information. Where in the world did she learn that?! :o

Nearly the same, yet altogether different forms of communication. Concerning speaking, and actually getting across what you want to say, this requires correct timing and a bit of forethought, and sometimes we end up saying either too much or too little, or something so jumbled we don't know how it began so clearly as a thought and then made it's way to leaving the tip of the tongue as sounding more akin to being borderline retarded. Being more expressive verbally in writing obviously excuses the writer to consider more at length his/her points and opinions before addressing anything. Just thought I'd post, probably a dupicate topic about it somewhere anyway.

I'm quite a bit better at writing than speaking, for most of the aforementioned reasons. I prefer e-mail over telephone conversations. Many seem to be the opposite, but my perspective may be biased by the fact that I don't use the hunt-and-peck method of typing. I also have fluency issues, such as word-finding issues, and reversing the order of words at times. E-mail also has the advantage in that it serves as it's own written record, so note taking is not necessary.

This is a bit off topic, but do you guys assume. For example if someone is going to ask you question do you respond before the question is complete...sometimes my thoughts are so off, my answer sounds so dumb :(
It's so easy to jump in and answer before the question is complete. I generally formulate the question as it's being asked, and don't always know I'm answering before the questions finished:o, I'm just glad that most times I'm aanswering correctly, but most people get upset for being interupted:o.

Nearly the same, yet altogether different forms of communication. Concerning speaking, and actually getting across what you want to say, this requires correct timing and a bit of forethought, and sometimes we end up saying either too much or too little, or something so jumbled we don't know how it began so clearly as a thought and then made it's way to leaving the tip of the tongue as sounding more akin to being borderline retarded. Being more expressive verbally in writing obviously excuses the writer to consider more at length his/her points and opinions before addressing anything. Just thought I'd post, probably a dupicate topic about it somewhere anyway.

very well put, thisisacomputer
I also feel like writing gives me a much needed working memory extension! :cool:
So then I can juggle my thoughts around .. park them .. pick them back up again .. puzzle them together .. well everything that does not work verbally. Verbally I am not a shadow of what I can express in writing.

ya I am the same way. The other day my dad told me I express myself so well in writing that I should write a book, i was like what?!?!?!1

hmm... got me inspired to maybe write a life story someday. :)

Yes. :)

I think, but may be wrong in thinking, that I am about equal with verbal and written word.

I'm so awful that I dread someone stopping me and asking for direction. My stock answer now is, "Sorry, I'm just visiting."

I'm much, MUCH better writing than verbalizing. Nobody ever understands what I say, but I find with writing, that I can get my point across much better and my facts are accurate.

I'm more comfortable with public speaking than I am with formal writing. I hate being critiqued by peers at work when I write reports, etc. I think it has something to do with professors who marked up my term papers in red all the time. I hate rewriting things over and over again.

I'm more comfortable with public speaking than I am with formal writing. I hate being critiqued by peers at work when I write reports, etc. I think it has something to do with professors who marked up my term papers in red all the time. I hate rewriting things over and over again.

..... public speaking. NO WAY... I freeze up and get hives. I was referring to being able to communicate with family.

My husband was in the army and away a lot. My long love letters kept my marriage going for twenty years. He left the army and we got divorced. :)

yes, absolutely

I write much better than I speak. Sometimes I have flashes of inspiration and exactly what I want to say comes out but those occasions are few and far between.

However, I do really well on papers involving concepts or creative writing or story writing...

I also tend to express myself better by writing...I'm almost useless at verbal communication.

Selena

Nearly the same, yet altogether different forms of communication. Concerning speaking, and actually getting across what you want to say, this requires correct timing and a bit of forethought, and sometimes we end up saying either too much or too little, or something so jumbled we don't know how it began so clearly as a thought and then made it's way to leaving the tip of the tongue as sounding more akin to being borderline retarded. Being more expressive verbally in writing obviously excuses the writer to consider more at length his/her points and opinions before addressing anything. Just thought I'd post, probably a dupicate topic about it somewhere anyway.

Most definitely! The words just seem to flow when I'm writing. I can even be eloquent at times. :) I do find it is easier to organize my thoughts when writing, sure. It is really much more than that, though. I feel as though I do my clearest thinking when writing. Words and ideas come to me in surplus, my vocabulary is strong and I can be as verbose or concise as the situation requires.

Orally, on the other hand... ugh! I am anything but eloquent. Answers elude me. Words escape me. Just chatting among friends, it is mostly small annoyances but in meetings or uncomfortable social settings, it can be very problematic. My mind frequently wanders while others are talking, especially when I'm not interested in the topic of discussion. There are few things worse than realizing the conversation has stopped, a response is expected from you yet you have no clue what an appropriate response might be. When I'm not involuntarily tuning people out, I have a hard time waiting for them to finish what they're saying. I often interrupt, usually a few beats after I've stopped paying attention, so what I butt in to say may or may not make sense. I frequently follow such an interruption with a question, only to realize the person has just said that very thing as soon as I hear the answer. :o I easily lose my train of thought, have trouble isolating a response when several are racing around my brain and at times have difficulty coming up with even the most common of words. All of these horrors, of course, result in The Dreaded Pause. Once that happens, its all downhill from there! Then the flushing, trembling, halting speech, sentence fragments and improperly used words begin. Sometimes, I'm able to keep my wits about me and coolly say, "I'm sorry, I've lost my train of thought. Where were we, again?" Usually not, though.

i definitely write better than i speak. Writing gives me time to think about what I am about to write. I can backspace any mistakes I make. Also using the internet allows me to google if i cant find the right word I am looking for.
When i talk. alot of the time I cant put what I am thinking into words. Its frustrating. So theres alot of ums and ahs. THo sometimes i find it easy to talk..thats usually when im just mucking around with friends and can say woteva. When i need an exact meaning or explanation about something esp if important then I struggle. I also cant find the right word to describe what Im thinking..often. Often I can be thinking something and in trying to explain it, describe something completly different. So i can come across as pretty dumb.

Hows goin it Mandy. Did I really say that? That was dumb. You'd figure I would have stopped doing that after 19 years of life. Uhh, 20.

Simply saying hello is fraught with danger, my 1-bit linguistic processor informs me. My mind hopefully requests 124652 and my mouth replies

0
0
1
0
1

My mouth is constructed for alienation and ideational constipation. It thrives on instilling fear in concept and abstraction. My tongues talent for destroying my minds would have any cult leader red with jealousy.

But written, the ideas do not need to fear. They may not come out in the same order, a participle may dangle, or a good idea might lose a verb. But they know the creator is there. Ever watching, pinky on backspace, pencil in mouth. In the three dimensional world of sound, the punchline is fated to be forever remembered as being out of place and late. But in the two dimensional world of the word, ideas know that the creator has sway, and that these two dimensional sentences are the closest anyone else will ever come to understanding their four dimensional world.

Mandy
But in the two dimensional world of the word in context of zero, dimensionless
gutterancid grunted utterances,
ideas know that the creator has sway, and that these two dimensional sentences may fly into other 2 4
8 16
32 64
2^n -dimensional spaces

- are -

the closest
~anyone~
else
will ever come to understanding their four dimensional world where

zero^1 == 0
....0^2 == 0
....0^3 == 0
....0^4 == 0

0^n =will=only=ever= no dimensional
==
zero informational

==

vacuous

space.

This only has anything in common with the topic in quite a tangential way.
But then again, tangents are all we have in common.

SB, I have been doing some scheming and dreaming about ADDers, and in refusing to accept it as a di$order, I wandered upon an idea that would place us at the forefront of at least one division.

If the bombs dont drop, and robots dont kill us all, ADDers would be the perfect pioneers of a virtual reality. If ever bits of ludicriously small amounts of metal and electricity allow for a complete externalization of the mind, internalization of the body, no one would be better suited to inhabit the place those bits allow.

The most brilliant NT would be able to live a life succesfully manipulating systems in a truly immersive virtual world. Kissing more virtual *** for more virtual dollars. Their need of a center of information to manipulate from A rock to wind a string around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SxO4jrimBU)

(Sorry for the video, nothing better I can find with the song)

But the ADDer understands the unimportance of any single system, and understands that information, knowledge, and ideas are nothing more than toys to stimulate the mind. And with every factoid, philosophy, and shade of chartruese no more than an impulse away, the creative capabilities of an ADD mind with pure information as its plaything would be astounding

Or maybe Im just
Wire dreaming
And the internet is nothing more than sewage
Pipe

And ADDers will forever want to Whistle in the Dark
Out first nature (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9NAA93Bdg&feature=related)

just prior to You(r)tube


Can ? somebody put this ->-

the creative capabilities of an ADD mind with pure information as its plaything would be astounding
under this ->-
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as in
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where the creative capabilities of an ADD mind with pure information as its plaything astounds
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:-)...

But the ADDer ... understands that information, knowledge, and ideas are nothing more than toys to stimulate the mind.


where nothing more is quite enough
and nothing less is not.

where nothing more is quite enough
and nothing less is not.

I couldnt say it better myself.

So, should I wait for computers or try and meditate myself into a potato?

Also, 16 posts with one of them under the banner is fine with me :D

How about

"With information as its plaything, the creations of the ADD mind can only astound"

Or is my rock getting the better of the string?

information -> -> -> fixed nervous circuit
information -> -> -> -> -> -> plastic nervous circuit
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (linear)
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (ADD)

information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (ADD)

information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (ADD)

information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (ADD)

information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->.... -> -> -> -(> mvind ) (ADD)
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->.... -> -> -> -(> m|ind ) (ADD)
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -..> -> -> -> mind (ADD)
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->.... -> -> -> -(> m|ind ) (ADD)

.................................................. .......fly, fly away little butterfly


:-)

information -> -> -> fixed nervous circuit
information -> -> -> -> -> -> plastic nervous circuit
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (linear)
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (ADD)

information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (ADD)

information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (ADD)

information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> mind (ADD)

information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->.... -> -> -> -(> mvind ) (ADD)
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->.... -> -> -> -(> m|ind ) (ADD)
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -..> -> -> -> mind (ADD)
information -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->.... -> -> -> -(> m|ind ) (ADD)

.................................................. .......fly, fly away little butterfly


:-)

ADD is genetics attempt to produce informational subsistence farmers :O

ADD is genetics attempt to produce informational subsistence farmers :O

~yes~

is the nerve cell defining its home (its external environment - our 'notional internal environment) -
- and then ensuring that its home (our context) is immune to external environmental fluctuations.

When I talk...I blurt things out and stick my foot in my mouth..then I do that horrible nervous laugh. When I write, at least I can erase or backspace, but my thoughts come out faster than I type, then I worry about I came off in the writing...!!!!! UG

Unfortunately, I happen to be very talkative and chatty....

Public Speaking, speaches, plays, toasts...It's totally different! It doesn't scare me or bother me at all!!

- and then ensuring that its home (our context) is immune to external environmental fluctuations.

This I think is our job. It seems alot of people on these forums have their ideational potential spent solving/worsening emotional/societal issues (no disrespect meant, I've sure had mine). If ADD is a useful genetic mutation, it wont do too well in its current situation, when pills force it out of us, and therapy simply puts us back on the $$treadmill$$.

How about an ADD commune. Get the ADHDers farming for food, and the ADDers pumping out fiction novels to cover the rest of our expenses. Have seminars/classes/lectures going all the time, try to get ideas across in a lively, visual, non-pressured kind of way, with people free to come and go as their focus allows. Institute creativity and caring as core cultural values. We can make the neurotypical slave children do the paperwork and deal with outsiders :p

I dont think motivation to support the community would be much of a problem when everyone around you shares the same gift as you.

Although a community filled with nothing but ADDers might just be the worlds biggest breeding ground for failure and hijinxs, but I doubt it :D

for failure

failure ?
success ?

only exist in nonADD world

and funnier still -
any passing alien'd suggest that if necessary to use these terms -
that the nonADDers of linear planet -
- have only gone and transposed 'em

doh!

problem is that the nonADDers knuckledraggers -
don't get to see this argument until they themselves become ADD

- lucky for us then -
that we hold the fundamental and most infectious meme -

- ready and willing to munch some nonADD

The logical viral meme
- an internet-borne virtual infection which confers ADD -

do you practice safe tex?
t
processing

:-)

vir ile
vir tual
vir al

...........-ly yours,

ADDF

Writing is a great form of expression. Sometimes I feel that I can be more creative in writing because of the fact that I have time to think about what I want to type. It just feels good to write and really get your point across in a creative manner.