When I clicked on today and saw the "points and activity" bars under user names I was puzzled. When I found out what they meant by checking my own "vbulletin experience" on my profile I felt uneasy, spied upon, evaluated and publicly broadcasted.

Am I the only one who feels unnerved and "put off" by very specific numerical values and bar graphs associated with my membership?

To me this latest addition reeks of men in white lab coats tabulating each time the experimental rat works for food or bites at its own tail...

I can imagine that .. although I don't mind that much.
Though verily - it's ways are mighty subtle..

behold:

user 1:
Points: 2,536, Level: 30
Activity: 3%
Posts: 36
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

user 2:
Points: 3,339, Level: 24
Activity: 75%
Posts: 728
Thanks: 189
Thanked 204 Times in 134 Posts

:confused:, :o: :D !!

I'd like to see the forum mathematician pulling out her/his hair on trying to determine the function that is at work here.
how does that work?

Well, my take on it is that the webmaster may be able to assign points to activities or behavior that tickles his fancy.

When I clicked on today and saw the "points and activity" bars under user names I was puzzled. When I found out what they meant by checking my own "vbulletin experience" on my profile I felt uneasy, spied upon, evaluated and publicly broadcasted.

Am I the only one who feels unnerved and "put off" by very specific numerical values and bar graphs associated with my membership?

To me this latest addition reeks of men in white lab coats tabulating each time the experimental rat works for food or bites at its own tail...

I agree. I dislike this points/quantification thing they seem to be going for.

Well, my take on it is that the webmaster may be able to assign points to activities or behavior that tickles his fancy.

And how is that a good thing? I've not got any problems with the admins of this site, but I also don't hold them up on a pedestal. The purpose of this site is for like-minded people with ADHD to mingle and help each other out, not to brown-nose to some arbitrary leadership body.

To quote busyhermit from another thread:

I'm a bit embarrassed to bring it up, since everyone seems to love the "thank you's" - but since we're all being honest...I have to admit I find it very distracting. It's like...there's an element of competition now. I'm sorry - I know it's not intended that way. But I can't help it - I'm always looking at the thank you numbers and comparing. I feel as though my helpfulness is now being judged and rated. I admit, I'm ultra-sensitive to any kind of "performance ratings", but I can't help it. It bugs me... I can't help looking at it. Yeah, distracting.

No offense - I know it's meant to be a way to be nice to people. Still, just thought I'd voice my reaction in case anyone else feels the same way. Maybe it's just me.

Well, my take on it is that the webmaster may be able to assign points to activities or behavior that tickles his fancy.

Well, that tickles my imagination (hehe)

but that still does not make sense:

see above:
Points: 2,536, Level: 30
Points: 3,339, Level: 24
what can we conclude?

The more points you have, the lower your level. :cool:
That's the simplest one that fits the data.

The more points you have, the lower your level. :cool:
That's the simplest one that fits the data.
Yep, I was about to say that but Luthien beat me to it. It's inverted.... Lower level is better. So anyone a Level 1 yet?
:)

BTW the best recent feature I found was the real time post listings. (http://www.addforums.com/forums/vaispy.php)

... but I also don't hold them up on a pedestal

well, I do :)

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa65/wahwahrabbits/pedestal.jpg

thanks admins for all the work :)

The whole ranking thing, thanking thing, and activity levels freak me out, seem pretty useless and ego-centric.

I personally wish that I didn't have to see any of it.

I really don't like the new points thing under our names. It is distracting for one thing -- my eye is drawn to that instead of the message, and I also really don't like that big comparison between folks. It's like some members are better than others and that doesn't feel good. What new members have to offer may be just as valuable and having a small number implies that you're not as valuable around here. I really hope the powers that be don't decide to keep this one -- I really, really dislike it. It makes me uncomfortable and less likely to post or read here.

LOL. I made one post, my points went up, and my level dropped by 4.

thanks admins for all the work :)

And that's fair enough; they've invested a lot of time and effort here, which deserves respect.

LOL. I made one post, my points went up, and my level dropped by 4.
Wow! Good deduction.

RIEMANN, DALI, BARTOK: an eternal band of light
- explorations in virtual manifold ranking space and its properties

Postulate one: the number of points and the index number of the so-called "level" are inversely proportional

But we need to quantify. How many points?

-------------
but all silliness aside - I don't like it either, although it offers new possibilities for playing ..

Wow! Good deduction.

RIEMANN, DALI, BARTOK: an eternal band of light
- explorations in virtual manifold ranking space and its properties

Postulate one: the number of points and the index number of the so-called "level" are inversely proportional

But we need to quantify. How many points?

-------------
but all silliness aside - I don't like it either, although it offers new possibilities for playing ..

vBExperience
Awards: See all awards (http://www.addforums.com/forums/xperience.php?go=awards)
Points: 1,012
Level: 12 http://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/red_left.gifhttp://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/red.gifhttp://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/red_faded_right.gif
Level up: 13%
Points needed: 88 http://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/grey_left.gifhttp://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/grey.gifhttp://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/grey_faded_right.gif
Activity: 17% http://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/green_left.gifhttp://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/green.gifhttp://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/level/green_faded_right.gif Points for user
Sum: 239
Infractions: 0
Reputation: 105
Per day: 100
Socialgroups: 0
Friends: 21
Visitormessages: 14
Albumpictures: 0
Referrals: 0 Points for threads
Sum: 73
Threads: 16
Tags: 1
Votes: 0
Replies: 24
Views: 32
Stickies: 0 Points for posts
Sum: 700
Posts: 550
Attachments: 0
Thanks: 150

LOL..I posted and my points dropped WAY WAY down!!

LOL..I posted and my points dropped WAY WAY down!!

Postulate one: the number of points and the index number of the so-called "level" are inversely proportional

Postulate two: an increment of the number of posts results in a sharp decline in the number of points.

if we combine (1) and (2) we can therefore conclude:

First law of virtual manifold ranking space:
-- Posting pays :cool:

Postulate one: the number of points and the index number of the so-called "level" are inversely proportional

Postulate two: an increment of the number of posts results in a sharp decline in the number of points.

if we combine (1) and (2) we can therefore conclude:

First law of virtual manifold ranking space:
-- Posting pays :cool:
OMG!! L..can you put that in "Tracy talk" please:D

sheez..maybe I should stop posting :) will that work?

So what happens when you get to 0 points? It's all a bit strange really. Maybe its a trick to get us all unhinged, maybe someone is doing a paper on ADHD and social paranoia. Like we are in a reality show. It is a bit unnerving, enough of this judgemental crap in the real world. We need to feel safe here. It hasn't got my vote.

OMG!! L..can you put that in "Tracy talk" please:D

love to help .. but .. what is Tracy Talk - besides, eh, well, what you are doing :confused: ?

PS whatever it is, it'll have to wait - have to sleep .. 2 AM *again* sigh...

Maybe its a trick to get us all unhinged, maybe someone is doing a paper on ADHD and social paranoia
yeah. An Anti Adult Add Conspiracy ... an A.A.A.A.C :eek:

love to help .. but .. what is Tracy Talk - besides, eh, well, what you are doing :confused: ?

PS whatever it is, it'll have to wait - have to sleep .. 2 AM *again* sigh...

LOL..Tracy talk..simple:D

Here's the link to the vBulletin module - it explains it a bit more.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=171014


This mod will work with vBulletin 3.6.8 and vBulletin 3.7 or higher.

Description
vBExperience is an advanced level and activity system. It will calculate an activity and experience score for every user based on their activites on the forum. Now your users will see how their level is increasing by participating on your forum.

This mod was developed by me because I was never satisfied with the post count. Communities are not only defined by post count, they need much more parameters: Are the postings the user creates helpfull? Are his threads frequently read? Does the user participate on the community by posting pictures, attachments, leaving visitor messages, tagging threads? All this can be answered with this mod.

This is the first public release. I used this on my boards since vBulletin 3.5, converted it now to vBulletin 3.7 Beta 4 and released it to the public. Since 3.7.8 this modification can also be installed on vBulletin 3.6.8

For vBulletin 3.6.8 there is only reduced functionality because some new features like social groups, thread tagging, visitor messages and albums have been introduced initial in vBulletin 3.7

Really does not matter to me. There may be a way for the coding to be user determined as to whether the rankings show up. I know on another board they had there was a way to rate people on a scale of 1 to 5. The user could choose whether to participate or not.

I love my red haired yellow thingy :)

Thanks admin :)
(I actually think they gave it to me and miss pen by mistake LOL)

Looked at more of the rankings and see activity also plays into the equation. I would like to see the algorithm they are using. It appears so far the points are weighted over the activity. I need to look at the numbers more and see if I can figure out something.

it's all french to me and I don't think I like it (probably because I don't understand the significance of having it in the 1st place):confused::rolleyes: And yes, this is after I read the link to the vbulletin module thingy in this thread

Looked at more of the rankings and see activity also plays into the equation. I would like to see the algorithm they are using. It appears so far the points are weighted over the activity. I need to look at the numbers more and see if I can figure out something.
good idea:p
I'm a lazy lil thing
:D

good idea:p
I'm a lazy lil thing
:D
It's not really laziness is it? :):D

I don't like it. It's maths, so it's confusing to me. I don't understand what the numbers are supposed to signify. So I will just say...


ICK !

It doesn't really matter to me either way. I'm not here to look at numbers. I'm here to pass along what I've learned about ADHD over the last 8 years or so. I'll keep continuing to do so as long as someone asks for advice. Whether or not my situation can help anyone remains to be seen. But that is the sole purpose of my being here. Hope you're all having a good day!

To me this latest addition reeks of men in white lab coats tabulating each time the experimental rat works for food or bites at its own tail...

That's an interesting interpretation you have there. I never thought of that. The first thing I thought of was that maybe it was a contest or game since there are points involved. I thought that maybe the first person to reach 500,000, or 1,000,000 points might win some type of prize or something. :)

However, after reading your suspicions about all this, I decided to do a little detective work on my own after all the staff left for the day yesterday, and sure enough I found the secret lab with the men in white coats as you predicted.

I'm not exactly sure what those guys were doing in there, but it looked risky. I went ahead and snapped a picture with my cell phone camera just incase nobody believed me about what I saw (seen below).

IMO, it appears that they are working on a new device of somekind that perhaps might actually end up being a prize for the person who gets the most points, or perhaps it's somekind of back engineered technology that I should not have ever photographed.

I suspect the latter due to the fact that I was followed home last night by a strange black unmarked vehicle, and this morning on the school bus a couple of gentlemen dressed in black suits with white shirts told me, "now listen you, you're gonna forget all about that lab nonesense right now ya see, or else there's gonna be a rumble!"

Anyhoot, I decided to go ahead and report what I saw to everyone here, and just let the chips fall where they may. If I do turn up missing, then everyone will know who to blame. :)

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/images/upload/muppets-lab-beaker-shock.jpg



AIGF!

AIGF = All In Good Fun :cool:

Lars..where have you been??

That's an interesting interpretation you have there. I never thought of that. The first thing I thought of was that maybe it was a contest or game since there are points involved. I thought that maybe the first person to reach 500,000, or 1,000,000 points might win some type of prize or something. :)

However, after reading your suspicions about all this, I decided to do a little detective work on my own after all the staff left for the day yesterday, and sure enough I found the secret lab with the men in white coats as you predicted.

I'm not exactly sure what those guys were doing in there, but it looked risky. I went ahead and snapped a picture with my cell phone camera just incase nobody believed me about what I saw (seen below).

IMO, it appears that they are working on a new device of somekind that perhaps might actually end up being a prize for the person who gets the most points, or perhaps it's somekind of back engineered technology that I should not have ever photographed.

I suspect the latter due to the fact that I was followed home last night by a strange black unmarked vehicle, and this morning on the school bus a couple of gentlemen dressed in black suits with white shirts told me, "now listen you, you're gonna forget all about that lab nonesense right now ya see, or else there's gonna be a rumble!"

Anyhoot, I decided to go ahead and report what I saw to everyone here, and just let the chips fall where they may. If I do turn up missing, then everyone will know who to blame. :)

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/images/upload/muppets-lab-beaker-shock.jpg



AIGF!

AIGF = All In Good Fun :cool:

Lars..where have you been??

I have been very involved in school this semester. I will try and not be such a stranger. :o

I've missed everyone.

I have been very involved in school this semester. I will try and not be such a stranger. :o

I've missed everyone.

not as much as we missed you:o

I have been very involved in school this semester. I will try and not be such a stranger. :o

I've missed everyone.

Good to see you back and posting again.

I dont get it.

Points, calculation, ratings - too complicated for me, even after reading the explanation. Especially after reading the explanation.

"Points needed" - for WHAT?

I gotta say - What's the *point*? (groan)

Personally, I don't get it. I also find it a bit distracting.
*shrugs*

With all of the new features added, I have mixed feelings. I feel that the Thanks feature is nice. However, maybe it could be something that the user sees privately. That way, it doesn't seem like a competition.

As far as the bar things, I think that they are kind of well super competitive. I don't think they are right. If someone is new here, it doesn't mean that they have a less valuable opinion or experience, and no one should be gaging their idea of how valuable a post may be by thanked points, rep power, or colored bars.

I think these features are great for personal feedback though and kudos to all the people working with making them available.

I have to admit I don't like it either.
I'm feeling pressure to perform, and I don't do good under pressure.

...am I in the right forum? I thought this was for ADD not AD&D...

hey that would be kinda neat though, how about adding some virtual dice as well? we could have a huge multi-player dungeon adventure at the same time!

:)

Yes, I'm level 1 so you all must bow to me now...Just Kidding. I'm still just really confused by this whole thing. Other than being confused by it, I don't really care either way about it.

Yep, I was about to say that but Luthien beat me to it. It's inverted.... Lower level is better. So anyone a Level 1 yet?
:)

BTW the best recent feature I found was the real time post listings. (http://www.addforums.com/forums/vaispy.php)

Scratch that...I' level 100 not level 1...I told you it confused me!!!

I don't know what it all means, but it is pretty.

It bugs me too, the points thing.

I'd never talk smack about the site bc it's been a tremendous source of support for me, but if I just stumbled on it now, I'd be running for the hills. It doesn't exactly pump up the ego of the newly diagnosed to see all these rankings and measurements everywhere. And sorry, but it makes the site seem WAY too cliquish -- and there are quite enough cliques IRL.

The thank you button is a nice feature; someone suggested making it privately viewable only, which I think is a great idea. Otherwise, the rest of the stuff is alternately confusing and weirdly competitive. No offense.

How do you all really feel? ;)

Keep in mind there are going to be a lot of hacks / mods being tested out now that we have new software. That doesn't mean we will be keeping all or even the majority of them. Decisions on what stays and goes has everything to do with member input, system performance, and overall benefit to the community. What it doesn't have anything to do with is conspiracies, competitions, favoritism, etc.. That didn't even come to mind until someone brought it up here.

Also, if you have an issue with a mod that has been installed you can address it to me since I am the only staff member that is handling this.

Thanks,
David

David,

Is there a way to turn the feature off on your own individual viewing? It really distracts me.

Thanks,
Scattered

I still have not familiarized myself completely with the hack, but I don't thnk there is, though that would be a great suggestion for the hack author regardless of whether or not we keep it.

I don't really get it but it doesn't really bother me. Except I feel like such a loser since I don't have a little medal or tons of points...:D And because I am ADD and OCD, I will contantly check it and jude myself according to the results....

:D just kidding

Just posting after posting to a social group and adding some pictures to my album.

Will I rise up?

I think I went down.

Will I rise up?

I think I went down.LOL! I've been debating starting a blog, but I'm not sure the world is ready for that, yet. :D

A blog? That would seriously be negative points for me. I mean really, do you want to read my stream of conciousness while I stay on the site all do to increase my activity level?

Or would you prefer me rambling in concise little statements to forum posts. The other question is why would you want me on this site all day?

I like it. It provides a mental diversion whenever I get this message:
vBulletin Message
This forum requires that you wait 10 seconds between searches. Please try again in 8 seconds.Ooooooh, the irony of requiring an ADDer to wait....

I like it. It provides a mental diversion whenever I get this message:
Ooooooh, the irony of requiring an ADDer to wait....Especially when the only reason you are being asked to wait between searches is because you impatiently hit return twice!! :rolleyes:

How do you all really feel? ;)

Keep in mind there are going to be a lot of hacks / mods being tested out now that we have new software......
David, I think it does produce competition, and competition will produce division. You may even see a class distinction develop - those high scorers vs the new blood. Either way it's not good. The old award system was great - it was based on user input. There weren't too many awards given out, but just enough to make people feel they deserved it, (which they did). An automated system can be abused - people will find a way around the system. I don't see it adding much value to a flourishing support site - which is it's primary goal. If this was in a drummers forum - then yep go for it. But a support site should stay supporting.

But, anyway keep up the good work... keep up the site mods... I think people will find some that are really good, (like the thanks button), and some that aren't so good.

A blog? That would seriously be negative points for me. I mean really, do you want to read my stream of conciousness while I stay on the site all do to increase my activity level?

Or would you prefer me rambling in concise little statements to forum posts. The other question is why would you want me on this site all day?Wow, dude, that's pretty deep. :cool:

LOL! I've been debating starting a blog, but I'm not sure the world is ready for that, yet. :D
I've tried it before, and then forgot about it after about a week or so.... never to be updated again.

I've tried it before, and then forgot about it after about a week or so.... never to be updated again.That's like me and the social groups. I guess I'm so hooked on the feedback from the forums I forget about the new choices.

ok hi one and all i just clicked in to see this points thing....


what it is
what does it mean
anyone care to explain???

I think that POINTS sounds competitive.

Some people make lots of [less than helpful] posts, so they would get more points?

There must be a formula for calculating, but it does not interest me.

ok hi one and all i just clicked in to see this points thing....


what it is
what does it mean
anyone care to explain???

Not really. It is a mystery how it works and why it is there. It sure is distracting, I keep looking at the little bars. It doesn't seem to carry any weight of how special anyone is... Except Tracy H. cause she has a 100% activity level.:p

I think it sux the big one...

David :)

I don't care what you do as long as my cute yellow head with a red pill box hat stays :)
hehehe
please...

You ready to compete to keep it? :p

Anyone notice my results?

The "fix" may be in, but I think I need to fix it... :p

I guess I need to go see how the heck the scores are tabulated..

P.S. Whoever put the Tags for this thread... I'm still laughing.. heh "Pretty colors".. I could probably go back and see who made that reference before... But, well... I forgot what I was going to do...

That would be moi. David, funny you should mention your results. While reading this thread, I've had the strongest urge to post something like what a bunch of babies look at David's scores he's not complaining, but I didn't.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa65/wahwahrabbits/controls.jpg

Luthien, the system won't let me give you the reputation you so rightfully deserve so I had to tell you, you have outdone yourself!

Cpt. Scarlett is not listening to any music now.
Thanked 29023 times in 23 posts.
Romanticorner = Cats OK.
look at a Moose, together???

Oh, dear Lord! I've laughed so hard my bronchial tubes have gone into spasm. Brilliant!

How do you all really feel? ;)

Keep in mind there are going to be a lot of hacks / mods being tested out now that we have new software. That doesn't mean we will be keeping all or even the majority of them. Decisions on what stays and goes has everything to do with member input, system performance, and overall benefit to the community. What it doesn't have anything to do with is conspiracies, competitions, favoritism, etc.. That didn't even come to mind until someone brought it up here.

Also, if you have an issue with a mod that has been installed you can address it to me since I am the only staff member that is handling this.

Thanks,
David

Are you saying that the only views expressed in this thread are based on conspiracy theories? It seems to me that the majority opinion is against this mod for fairly logical reasons detached from conspiracy.

You can judge the reasoning behind our opinions all you want I guess, but it won't change our gut reaction of dislike. On a board dominated by people with ADHD, I would think intuition is fairly important.

What it doesn't have anything to do with is conspiracies, competitions, favoritism, etc.. That didn't even come to mind until someone brought it up here.

I think the conspiracy remark was meant in good humour .. unless I have missed something?

How do you all really feel? ;)

wellllll

I just don't see the point of those features. I can understand the rationale behind the little green dots reputation thing, but even there: I can imagine, and have witnessed here, that people that have a negative rep - a red dot - are giving really good advice. They might have totally deserved that negative rep - but that does not preclude that they can change their behaviour and become really valuable members.
Plus - even bad rep - or good rep - can be biased. If you happen to annoy someone who has a high amount of "rep power" - you're practically done for. Similarly, if you happen to please someone like that your status will go up - maybe more than deserved - who could say?

But - sometimes the ones that say things that no-one wants to hear can be the most important of all.
Galadriel: Even the smallest person can change the course of the future
(I dont mean that denigrating to people with negative rep points .. I hope it gets across)

What I mean is that this system - even the reputation system, will have a tendency to make the difference between people larger, and maybe significantly hamper people that want to shed the stigma of a negative period.

And that's just the rep dots. Now we got the thank-you totals .. that's another confirmation of the same thing. Not the Thank You in itself .. on an ADD forum, no-one is going to count someone's total thankyous :rolleyes: .. no, I mean the thankyou totals.
And the new green & orange sliders are going to add yet more discriminatory power to this system. And it has indeed the danger of creating an in-crowd, because the most settled members have the most power to pull others inside that are to their liking.

I'd really like to know one thing ... why?
What is the point of this? Are we not capable of judging the quality of a post by itself? Do we really need this system to gauge the weight of whatever the poster has to say?

A case in point comes to mind. Not on this forum. The Dutch forum that I am also on. A couple of months ago we got this new member. A real jerk. Incredible negative, sometimes nearly laughably so. We've been on the point of really taking him apart and ask him wtf he thought he was doing here .. and if he was going to change his ways or else, please leave.
But - for some reason - we didn't. We probably forgot to :o . And suddenly - something happened.
He was not standing up to the positive attitude of the rest of the members (they're awesome). All of a sudden he dropped his defensive defeatist's attitude and even became helpful and comforting to newcomers. I was really awe-struck by such a change.
I bet you this would not have happened if we'd had a system in place that basically renders existing differences permanent.

What Fuse says too here .. ADD people are sensitive, and as far as I know, definitely not group people. I agree that newcomers may be scared away by this.

You could - rightly so - ask me why I am complaining .. Im not doing so bad in this system, right?
I am not going to deny that there is part of me that absolutely loves receiving rep points and thanks. I've felt so out of place all my life that this actually does quite a lot to me. But most of it is pure chance: I happen to be inattentive, not-impulsive and a girl; I totally love being nice to people because being liked for how sweet I behave has always been a surrogate for a lack of real self-esteem. I don't know, in the end it may even be better to be a bit of a ***** - but I cant.
And guess what? My type of ADD is being rewarded. That of someone with lots of H and a history of conflict - less so.

OK - sorry for the long rambling. This has sort of been running round in circles all day ... and I'm glad I got it out.

I'm not saying that rep system in all it's manifestations is bad .. but I think that it is worth a good discussion at least.

ok hi one and all i just clicked in to see this points thing....


what it is
what does it mean
anyone care to explain???


Lol ok so i guess that was a NO!! pmsl

Luthien's post #67 encapsulates everything I feel about the points/activities/bar graphs. I'm glad to know keeping it is not etched in stone (I'm right about that, right? I hope?).

Abuse, as you observed, could simply come in the form of "pretty colour" tagging every thread (sorry imanapl :)). I do think it will hamper newcomers. I feel hampered as someone who has been here for a bit, to the point of not coming back. The automated aspect is bothersome to me because it's not based on quality of input (for example, I usually don't post unless I feel pretty strongly about an issue and I feel a particular point hasn't already been addressed). Rep points are based on real people evaluating the poster's reasoning.

And yes, the "conspiracy" part of my first post was meant in good humour.

However, having said that, when not medicated I do find the bars very distracting. I keep staring at them, expecting them to move, either slowly creep up in response to my telepathic urging* or start rocking n/ rolling like a stereo equalizer.


* just kidding about the telepathic urging part :)

LOL. I made one post, my points went up, and my level dropped by 4.Don't feel bad -- I made one post stating that I didn't like this new addition and my level dropped by 23!:eek:



And that's fair enough; they've invested a lot of time and effort here, which deserves respect.
Absolutely true! We've got great administrators and it's cool that David is always trying to improve things around here. In the process of improving things you have to try a few things that might not work as well as others.

One nice thing about the new orange and green lines -- this is the most posts I've ever read of David's! Nice to see you around in person! (Although I know you lurked around a lot before when I wasn't looking! ( ;

The amount of activity doesn’t really tell us much of importance except that when someone may not be feeling too good and could be posting erratically or asking for and receiving help. If that turns out to be the case the only thing this activity thing will do is point out two types of people the ones helping and the ones in trouble. I don’t think there are many people on here who would like attention drawn to them if they should find themselves struggling a bit. And I’m sure the ‘good Samaritans’ aren’t seeking attention either. I still think the length of time someone has been on a board is the best indication to the type of person they are. And the number of posts a person has is a good enough indication as to how active they are on the board.

I still don't get it. I can't figure out what exactly the level and activity mean, or how one gets whatever "score" they have. And yes, I did read the info thing, and I still don't get it.

I can see how people could feel like they are being judged, not that I personally feel that way. I didn't even remember about my reputation points until someone mentioned it here. :rolleyes:

I still say it's kinda distracting hanging out there right under the name in bright colors. *ugh* And I'm a NT! :p

As for thanks, it's not supposed to be about who can thank who the most, or who can get the most thanks. It's a way for members to pass along thanks without having to post something that's no more then just "Thanks."

i don't get it either...and as someone who's ADHD (y'know, impulsive, easily distracted, etc.), this board just has way too much going on for me now. i don't understand most of the mods, i'm confused, i feel judged and watched...

why not just institute a test? if you pass the test, then you can post. if not, you're out of luck. or, even better, you have to fill out an application to post...all applications will be reviewed by the moderators and posted on the board for all to read. if everyone votes you worthy, then you can join. if you have a bad day, or anything, then you are out. no understanding, no compassion, no help, you are just judged and executed. just like the real world.

that's what it feels like. more exclusion, more singling out, more patronizing. kind of like school was for me growing up.


i dunno. i'll check back in a few weeks; hopefully some of the stuff will be gone by then. what a shame :(. i really liked this board.

When I clicked on today and saw the "points and activity" bars under user names I was puzzled. When I found out what they meant by checking my own "vbulletin experience" on my profile I felt uneasy, spied upon, evaluated and publicly broadcasted.

Am I the only one who feels unnerved and "put off" by very specific numerical values and bar graphs associated with my membership?

To me this latest addition reeks of men in white lab coats tabulating each time the experimental rat works for food or bites at its own tail...

I think the greater danger lies in using the same name all over the web. If you do that, people who are severely addicted to the internet will recognize you. Lots of farkers have ADD ;)

/I'm eqt-
//world

I must say while I don't understand the need for the bar thingys, I have enjoyed this thread enormously!:p

Some very humorous, very intelligent and thought provoking posts, I am captivated!:D

So, if I'm to understand nearly everyone's opinion on this latest feature test...you hate it. I think that's clear. Thank you for everyone's input!

I would have thought a board that catered to ADDers would have a simple, easy to use and non distracting layout.

This site has more bells and whistles than a pinball machine.

User statistics image

Luthien... you've outdone yourself this time. LMAO.



A case in point comes to mind. Not on this forum. The Dutch forum that I am also on. A couple of months ago we got this new member. A real jerk. Incredible negative, sometimes nearly laughably so. We've been on the point of really taking him apart and ask him wtf he thought he was doing here .. and if he was going to change his ways or else, please leave.
But - for some reason - we didn't. We probably forgot to :o . And suddenly - something happened.
He was not standing up to the positive attitude of the rest of the members (they're awesome). All of a sudden he dropped his defensive defeatist's attitude and even became helpful and comforting to newcomers. I was really awe-struck by such a change.
I bet you this would not have happened if we'd had a system in place that basically renders existing differences permanent.

That's actually a really good point Luthien. This is primarily a support site, (information comes a very close second), and we have to be careful about each others 'quirks'.

We are a funny bunch of people and it's because we are having trouble that is the reason why most of us are here. As a group we have very high 'highs' and very low 'lows'. We've seen in the past people coming to head because of their disorder - we should be careful not to make mistakes people make due to their disorder an issue. Because that sorta goes against why this site is here. People are here because they find that this sort of thing isn't an issue here, but is an issue in the 'real world'.

The "offensive" modification has been deactivated.

I would have thought a board that catered to ADDers would have a simple, easy to use and non distracting layout.

This site has more bells and whistles than a pinball machine.
I think it's a good idea to try things out that make a site comfortable for the general population - so what the admins are doing is a good thing. Just give it time to settle down. Also, remember that it is a volunteer site, not a commercial site, (no ads don't forget!), so things do take longer than if there was a paid staff.

This site has more bells and whistles than a pinball machine.

I suppose we could have a plain-jane forums, just like all the others out there.

It is not Admin's intention to offend or upset anyone with the features of this website. Please accept our sincerest apologies if this has or does become the case.

Hey, you never know what's going to go with the crowd and what's not unless you have some one like David who is willing to play with all the new gadgets and put them out there for us to experience. The efforts are still appreciated. :-)

I suppose we could have a plain-jane forums, just like all the others out there.

It is not Admin's intention to offend or upset anyone with the features of this website. Please accept our sincerest apologies if this has or does become the case.

HA, I was just kidding. I am used to fark.com. The avatar photos, photo footers for every post, and AIM links in every post are a bit distracting. I am also having trouble finding my way around....

I like the site, I've read a couple of threads and everyone seems to post in a very well thought out manner. The quality of the discussions is very , very high. (have you read youtube comments lately?....yeesh..)

I am very easily distracted, that's all ;)

Hey, you never know what's going to go with the crowd and what's not unless you have some one like David who is willing to play with all the new gadgets and put them out there for us to experience. The efforts are still appreciated. :-)

Indeed. I know I wouldn't want to be the one to have to mess with that. I'd probably nuke the whole board. :)

I suppose we could have a plain-jane forums, just like all the others out there.They just weren't ready for it, big guy. Maybe next time.

Well, if I may offer some frank opinion. I enjoyed the option for reputation and activity, I found it to lend some merit to the posts and might even keep post whores from simply posting to get count up. I am appalled that it has been deactivated. It is sad that so many people are afraid of being judged. Frankly I am ****ed off that it has been removed and wish to let that known.

Cheers guys. Thanks for experimenting David! Don't let this thread prevent you from trying new stuff in the future. :S

[quote=TheBrainiac;568228]Well, if I may offer some frank opinion. I enjoyed the option for reputation and activity, I found it to lend some merit to the posts and might even keep post whores from simply posting to get count up. I am appalled that it has been deactivated. It is sad that so many people are afraid of being judged. Frankly I am ****ed off that it has been removed and wish to let that known.

Good luck :)

I liked it :)

I think I would have liked it better if the bars were smaller - the bars were distracting to me possibly because of their location or size. I didn't know what any of it meant any way {although thanks to Luthien I did finally find the vbexpereince but I still didn't understand it} so I figured most other members didn't either - that part didn't bother me - but the bars made the user panel kind of crowded.{IMHO}

I belong to a community where they have a point system the points generate a little differently but on the user control panel they have an option to turn the point system display off -

The points still accumulate it is just weather or not you want any one else to see them - the community has a vbulletin set up much like this one - they had a recent upgrade too . A posting in their guidelines dated the upgrade - to a bit before this one here - it would appear the point system was going on before hand though. . . [my point being - oh geez} oh , apparently this vbulletin up grade come with a variety of features and their owner and administration people are doing some of the same things they are over here - the only way for the folks running this site to know if some thing is going to be of interest to the membership is to give it a try for a day or so {I think they are doing three days} over there they are just now trying out the arcade {I learned I do not know how to play arcade games}

Well, if I may offer some frank opinion. I enjoyed the option for reputation and activity, I found it to lend some merit to the posts and might even keep post whores from simply posting to get count up. I am appalled that it has been deactivated . It is sad that so many people are afraid of being judged. Frankly I am ****ed off that it has been removed and wish to let that known.
Brainiac .. I dont understand this at all :confused:

- why did (only ?) this modification enable 'activity'?
- what merit did it lend to posts? Don't people's posts have their own intrinsic merit?
- what in the world are 'post whores' and how would displaying derived post statistics keep them from 'simply posting to get count up'?
- are you now really worse off then before yesterday?
- it is sad that people are afraid of being judged indeed .. but do you want to blame the victim? Why?
- why would you be banned because you give your opinion?
- why does giving an opinion turn us in whiny folks?
- we did give it a day didn't we?
- well - this forum might indeed not be such a good place if you really have a problem with the fact that the people here have (at least some) insecurity issues :( ... why did you come in here for then?

Cheers guys. Thanks for experimenting David! Don't let this thread prevent you from trying new stuff in the future. :S Quite agree.
I would love to see the Romanticorner realised :rolleyes: ...
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa65/wahwahrabbits/romanticorner.gif

Luthien, As always an insightful post.

Infinitely better response than I was going to make.

Absolutely no offence intended, just some information for future reference. I think the activity thing might have worked if it wasn’t so ‘in your face’. Points, rewards and merits should be discrete, there if someone is looking for them but not just stuck out there for everyone to see. It was like the bright lights at the fair. Sorry, a bit of an exaggeration. I know. I think it’s worth noting too that not many people with disorders are too keen on changes. It takes us long enough to get used to things as they are and then someone comes along and introduces some changes. Might be worth remembering for future experiments. Maybe a little warning leading up to any planned changes would help.

Well, if I may offer some frank opinion. I enjoyed the option for reputation and activity, I found it to lend some merit to the posts and might even keep post whores from simply posting to get count up. I am appalled that it has been deactivated . It is sad that so many people are afraid of being judged. Frankly I am ****ed off that it has been removed and wish to let that known.
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I dunno how to use this quote thingy properly - but the quote above was from Brainiac

From me, well I was captivated, but after reading that post, have found it to be disconcerting that someone would get so angry over some fairly innocent lively debate.

I liked it :) Of course. You were at 100% activity level :)

I certainly didn't expect this overwhelming response and reaction.

If I could give everyone who posted on this thread one hundred rep points I would. I tried yesterday but was electronically informed that I had exceeded my limit for a 24 hour period :D

Oh yeah, I had to "spread it around a bit" too...

The humour and honesty, both pro and con, on this thread has reaffirmed my faith that the internet is a place we can go to learn from each other. It has also made me realize how important anonymity and feeling safe is for frank exchange - something this site and its administrators have so meaningfully allowed.

I suppose we could have a plain-jane forums, just like all the others out there.

It is not Admin's intention to offend or upset anyone with the features of this website. Please accept our sincerest apologies if this has or does become the case.
A lot of the new modifications are great, Andrew! I love the thank you button and I also like being able to track what posts were helpful to others. Thanks for all you do to make this place great!

The "offensive" modification has been deactivated.

Thank you, one less (and unneeded) distraction. :woot:

I’m a little concerned about the work David must have put into that perhaps thinking that we would love it only to have it debated and then turned down. I seriously hope we haven‘t upset him. A lot of new stuff is coming along and board owners are keen to check it out. I’m on some boards like that and there have been occasions where things have simply been put in place, members not getting a say in the matter. I just want David to know how much we truly appreciate his efforts and say thank you for giving us the choice.

Id rather not respond to this in an inflammatory manner, it incensed me that it was removed as it provided some incentive for people to use some thought in their posts. A 'post *****' is someone who makes useless posts just to post something, I guess I misunderstood the idea behind the reputation and points, as I thought it was there to help people strive to achieve a good reputation, thus cutting down on junk posts. Either way, its frustrating the level of patronizing behavior on these boards.

Id rather not respond to this in an inflammatory manner, it incensed me that it was removed as it provided some incentive for people to use some thought in their posts. A 'post *****' is someone who makes useless posts just to post something, I guess I misunderstood the idea behind the reputation and points, as I thought it was there to help people strive to achieve a good reputation, thus cutting down on junk posts. Either way, its frustrating the level of patronizing behavior on these boards.

I thought that, on the whole, there were some honest questions raised and some honest reasons given for the reactions. We ADDers find that having our balance upset unnecessarily is disturbing to us, we find changes in general to be disturbing. Some changes are necessary, and in time we may find we appreciate them, but it's always nice to be asked for feedback before the changes are made permanent (which of course isn't always possible).

I always thought that it was people under the Pervasive Developmental Disorder umbrella who were more resistant to change than people with ADHD/ADD. Boredom is a killer for the kids I know with ADHD/ADD. Routine and structure are necessary, but we seek stimulation in new and wonderful things.

:(Sigh, Now I can't figure out the algorithm :(

Brainiac, I am sorry to read that this issue upset you so much. I also don't understand it. I feel the level of involvement and the thought put into posts here is actually amazing.

Either way, its frustrating the level of patronizing behavior on these boards. I'm sorry that's the impression you are getting of people on ADDForums. I have been a member for three years and I know other members will respect your feelings and listen to what you have to say. This is a large, active website and with people coming and going it is difficult to really get to know people unless you hang around for a while.

Addforums offers different things for different people. Some members are drawn to the serious debates that thrive here and we have some very good debaters on board, but because we all share neurological differences, we can get pretty passionate. What may be passionate for an ADHDer may appear to be hostility to someone else. Once you've been around here for a while, you get to know people. A good example of this is member Meadd823, who won't mind if I use her as an example. Meadd823 has an absolutely brilliant mind and loves to debate. Meadd823 also deals with dyslexia and sometimes that gets in the way of what she wants to say. People who don't know this, might get the wrong impression of her true ability and find themselves in way over their heads on occasion.

You also have to take into account the wide range of age groups on ADDForums. Someone who may seem like a hostile, take no prisoners kind of person may very well be some gray haired old lady who shoots from the hip because she possesses the confidence that comes with experience and knowledge and she doesn't have any more time to waste on foolishness. Some "older" members have spent a lifetime of underachievement, failure and confusion and are just beginning to adjust to living in the new skin that a diagnosis and treatment create. We have members who are young and searching for answers or are wise beyond their years. We need all of them here.

Some members just come here to be silly and hang out with people who share their sense of humor and they have no desire for serious or technical discussions or debate. It may seem like it's always the same people interacting with each other, but that doesn't mean it's a clique or a closed society. Some people visit ADDForums daily, some people drop in once in a while.

I hope you stick around and find your niche.

Some "older" members have spent a lifetime of underachievement, failure and confusion and are just beginning to adjust to living in the new skin that a diagnosis and treatment create.


And in many cases we may actually have some pretty good fixes or ways to cope with our experiences

And in many cases we may actually have some pretty good fixes or ways to cope with our experiencesAnd some of us have survived only through the grace of a higher power and a good gene pool. :D Looking good doesn't hurt either.

Now why did I smile when I read the bit about grey haired old ladies?!! :)

TheBrainiac, please reconsider. We all have buttons that can be pushed, be it unintentionally. Come and hang for awhile and get to know the people around here a bit better. Come and join in some of the games, they might seem silly but they are an important part of a board like this, giving people the chance to get to know each other outside their problems and down-days.

Absolutely not. It is just a hack like all the rest. Sure, some coding time goes into some of them when you have to make template modifications but it isn't a big deal. At the end of the day we are going to give everyone the community that they want, not just what an admins or staff want.

In the interim, there is going to be experimenting, testing, and reviewing of member feedback on many other hacks before we see the final result with the forums before (hopefully) the long period before we have to upgrade again to the next generation..

So, am I upset that we turned off the hack? Not a bit... Besides, I had one of the lowest "rankings"... Now, if I had the #1 slot I would fight tooth & nail to keep it... lol Just Kidding!

David


I’m a little concerned about the work David must have put into that perhaps thinking that we would love it only to have it debated and then turned down. I seriously hope we haven‘t upset him. A lot of new stuff is coming along and board owners are keen to check it out. I’m on some boards like that and there have been occasions where things have simply been put in place, members not getting a say in the matter. I just want David to know how much we truly appreciate his efforts and say thank you for giving us the choice.

:(Sigh, Now I can't figure out the algorithm :(

Here you go:


vBExperience 3.7 (aka xPerience)
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Created by Marius Czyz aka Phalynx.

This mod will work with vBulletin 3.6.8 and vBulletin 3.7 or higher.

Description
vBExperience is an advanced level and activity system. It will calculate an activity and experience score for every user based on their activites on the forum. Now your users will see how their level is increasing by participating on your forum.

This mod was developed by me because I was never satisfied with the post count. Communities are not only defined by post count, they need much more parameters: Are the postings the user creates helpfull? Are his threads frequently read? Does the user participate on the community by posting pictures, attachments, leaving visitor messages, tagging threads? All this can be answered with this mod.

This is the first public release. I used this on my boards since vBulletin 3.5, converted it now to vBulletin 3.7 Beta 4 and released it to the public. Since 3.7.8 this modification can also be installed on vBulletin 3.6.8

For vBulletin 3.6.8 there is only reduced functionality because some new features like social groups, thread tagging, visitor messages and albums have been introduced initial in vBulletin 3.7

Demo:
http://www.insidesupcom.de/forum.php?langid=1

Demo Profile:
http://www.insidesupcom.de/member.php?u=1&langid=1

Demo Rankings:
http://www.insidesupcom.de/xperience.php?langid=1

Demo Awards:
http://www.insidesupcom.de/xperience.php?go=awards&langid=1

There are mainly four things visible for the users: The users score, his level, his next level up in % and his activity in %.


Calculation of the score
Taken into calculation are these things:
Threads
- Created threads
- Thread views of own threads
- Thread replies of own threads
- Thread votes of own threads
- Thread tags (vBulletin 3.7)
- Replies to own threads
- Sticky threads

Posts
- Created posts
- Views on attachments

User
- Days since registration
- Referrals
- Received infractions
- Reputation
- Visitor messages on profiles (vBulletin 3.7)
- Members of own social groups (vBulletin 3.7)
- Albumpictures (vBulletin 3.7)
- Friends (vBulletin 3.7)

Misc
Additionally there is support for 3rd pary addons like "Post Thank You", "Links and Downloads Manager", "DownloadsII", "PhotoPost Gallery" and "Cyb Paypal Donate". You have to install these hacks for your own, vBExperience doesn't install nor touch these.


Calculation of the activity
The system calculates the activity by taking the average post count of the ten most active user and comparing it to own post count. This can be set to count only the last X days, f.e. 21 days (controlable via AdminCP) .


Awards
From 3.7.8 on there are three awards: Community, Posting, Activity, Helpful. Available in Gold, Silver and Bronze they show up special users. The awards are shown in Rankings and Profile. You can set them also to display in postbit near the username. There is a scheduled job running once a day (02:30h) to calculate them.


Rankings
Showing User, Level, Awards, Activity Points (experience, thread, post, user, misc) - sortable.


vBAdvanced
There are two vBAdvanced 3.0 XML modules: Most Active Users and Most Experienced Users. Import them via vBAdvanced AdminCP.


Settings
You can control how many points are given to every calculation. For example you can give many points for creating new threads but only a few for views of that thread. Setting a value to 0 will disable it.
Additionally, you can set ignore users (f.e. for bot users), forums (f.e. offtopic forums) and usergroup id's.


Levels
vBExperience works with defined levels and points. You need to import at least one of the three level products. Just test it what fit's your board:
vbexperience_level_1_small.xml - for small boards up to 3000 users
vbexperience_level_2_average.xml - for average boards with around 3000-6000 Members
vbexperience_level_3_big.xml - for boards which have more than 7000 members
vbexperience_level_4_huge.xml - if "big" is not big enough for you
vbexperience_level_5_very_large.xml - Huge is too small?
vbexperience_level_6_ultra.xml - Ultimate users and postings
vbexperience_level_7_crazy.xml - Either you or your users are crazy ;)

You can define the needed levels for your own - I've included an MS Excel Sheet with the raw data and also three XML Samples for small, average and big sites. Also, you have the possibility to decrease given points for e.g. posts and threads.
The XML files are generated via vBExperience_Level.xls, copied to a text editor, removed tabs and copied to XML. Using it that way you can define your own levels and also promotions. Just do some experiments with the XLS sheet. Currently only levels from 0 to 100 are supported.

Attention: Importing a changed level XML needs to recount the xperience points via maintenance tools. Running the cron is not enough.

It would be great to see more XML files - feel free to share them, I'll include them in future releases.


Promotion system
To motivate users to do more on your forum I created the promotion system. By reaching defined xperience points the user will be moved to another usergroup - where you can set graphics, shadows, highlighting, etc... What is interesting in combination with this: you can give the user more possibilities f.e. larger avatars or bigger PM box.
Please take care with this, as it currently changes the primary user group - you can lose your administrators group. This feature is disabled by default.


Impact on performance
vBExperience has been tested on smaller and also on some bigger sites. I know from boards with around 20k users running this mod smoothly - but I have currently no clue what is beyond that.
- vBExperience uses the "user" table to store it's informations, so no additional query is needed in postbit.
- On the Memberprofile one additional query is used to gather the statistics.
- Every 10 minute a cron is running to recalculate stats for users that created a post since the last cron. Only stats of currently active users are recalculated
- Every night two crons are running to recalculate the posts per day that is needed for the activity factor and the awards. This counts for all users, regardless they are active or not.


Installation
This product has additional files, is fully phrased and uses template hooks. No file changes or manual template edits needed. Two cron's are automatically added.
1. Upload all files from "upload" to your server, take care of the directory structure. Images must be uploaded in BINARY, PHP files in TEXT mode.
By using not the default style you should have in mind that you also must copy the images to the correct directory of the style, thats mostly under "/designs/" or "/styles/".
2. Import the main product "product_vbexperience3710.xml"
3. Import a level product "vbexperience_level_1_?.xml" (see above "Levels").
4. Tweak settings if required and manually recount the score for every user via maintenance

Upgrade Instructions
1. Copy ALL files from /upload/ to the server. Take care of the images, copy them to your style misc folder if you use a customized style
2. ReImport product_vbexperience3710.xml, allow overwrite
3. Revert ALL vBExperience templates
4. Run Maintenance Tools/Recount

Additional languages
vBExperience is beeing published with english phrases. Additionally, you can find the following languages in the installation:
\languages\deutsch\vbulletin-language-deutsch.xml - German
\languages\turkish\vbulletin-language-turkish.xml - Turkish
Installation: AdminCP, Languages & Phrases, Download / Upload Languages - Name the XML, Overwrite existing Language (don't be afraid, only custom phrases are imported), Set Ignore Language Version to Yes and Import.

If you defined your own language and you would mind to share - feel free to contact me. I'll include it in the next release.


Known Issues
- If the promotion system is enabled and your primary administrator group you will lose this. Set your administrator group as secondary or don't use this feature
- Ignore UsergroupID's is not fully implemented
- AdminCP not fully phrased

Troubleshooting
If there are no bars visible at the postbit, you don't have a fully vBulletin 3.6.8/3.7 compatible postbit/postbit_legacy template. You will need $template_hook[postbit_userinfo_left] - make sure it's there. Take a look at the origin 3.6.8/3.7 template to see where it should be.


Screenshots
I've attached a few screenshots:
vBExperience_Awards.JPG - Hall of Fame
vBExperience_Awards_Username.JPG - Username with Awards
vBExperience_Rankings.JPG - Rankings with new Awards
vBExperience_Profile_vBulletin 36.JPG - It adds a reduced memberblock to the vBulletin 3.6.8 profile
vBExperience_Profile_vBulletin 37.JPG - It adds a detailed memberblock to the new vBulletin 3.7 profile
vBExperience_Postbit.JPG - An overview of users score is visible in the postbit, Level up (blue bar) can be hide
vBExperience_Postbit_FullPopup.JPG - Popup on Username
vBExperience_Postbit_WithText_LeftAwards.JPG - Username prefixed with Awards and Bardescriptions
vBExperience_AdminCP_Stats.jpg - vBExperience menu and new level stats
vBExperience_Settings.JPG - Settings are done via AdminCP
vBExperience_Settings_Points.JPG - Every point provider can be configured individually


Credits for medal icons
FAMFAMFAM, http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/

Comments, suggestions, translations, bugs, etc... are very welcome! Support is only given to people who have clicked INSTALL.


History

3.7.10, 12th March 2008
- Added: Reworked Awards. Awards are now completely manageable by AdminCP. You can now disable, add new, delete and customize them.
- Removed Silver and Bronze awards as they undermined effect of the whole awardsystem
- Added: Option to select position in postbit
- Added: Link to Rankings in Popup
- Fixed: Compatibility with vBulletin 3.7 Beta 6
- Fixed: Compatibility with vBAdvanced CMPS Integration
- Fixed: Uncached templates in postbit
- Level products have now version number according to it's level
- Smaller fixes/changes


3.7.9, 7th March 2008
- Added overview of Awards: All Users with Awards on one place
- Added new xperience: Friends. A new setting has been introduced to control it
- Added Award: Helpful. This Award is using "Post Thanks", if available.
- Added three new level products: Very large, Ultra and Crazy
- Added two new postbit modes: As Popup, as Popup with full information
- Added Points and Level to Memberslist, configurable: None, Points, Level, Points and Level
- Username can now be attached or prefixed with awards. Valid only in postbit, profile, memberslist
- Level up in postbit can now be set as hidden to make the bars smaller
- "Ignore Usergroups" is now implemented
- Deleted users didn't appear now as ghost's in Ranking
- Recount is now also generating Awards
- Fixed a bug not calculating correct Post Thanks
- Smaller fixes/changes


For more see history.txt


And if anyone is curious, I never changed any of the settings from default..

Of course. You were at 100% activity level :)

I certainly didn't expect this overwhelming response and reaction.

If I could give everyone who posted on this thread one hundred rep points I would. I tried yesterday but was electronically informed that I had exceeded my limit for a 24 hour period :D

Oh yeah, I had to "spread it around a bit" too...

The humour and honesty, both pro and con, on this thread has reaffirmed my faith that the internet is a place we can go to learn from each other. It has also made me realize how important anonymity and feeling safe is for frank exchange - something this site and its administrators have so meaningfully allowed.
LOL..I remember when I started spreading reputation, and I got stopped like you did:D I still can't give points to certain members until I have "spread it to other members" so it's a fair system :D

Those pop up messages ~frustrate~ me NO END

... Besides, I had one of the lowest "rankings"... Now, if I had the #1 slot I would fight tooth & nail to keep it...
well, we can change that of course :cool:

*click* *click* *clickety* *clickclick* hmmm *click* *click* *clickclick* ahhh :)

So, am I upset that we turned off the hack? Not a bit... Besides, I had one of the lowest "rankings"... Now, if I had the #1 slot I would fight tooth & nail to keep it... lol Just Kidding


Ya could do a poll


Here you go:


Thanks!

originally posted by our resident APPLE :)
Some members just come here to be silly and hang out with people who share their sense of humor and they have no desire for serious or technical discussions or debate. It may seem like it's always the same people interacting with each other, but that doesn't mean it's a clique or a closed society.
that'd be me :)

since this hack is no longer part of ADDF, I closed this thread.