Hollyduck says: Scrambling for dollars, deciding which bills can wait and which must be paid, always living in low-level anxiety with too many demands on too few resources -- this is a common problem for ADHDers. So this article on a 2007 book taking a new look at the dynamics of poverty really caught my attention. This is also getting a lot of discussion in the blogosphere. "The Persistence of Poverty: Why the Economics of the Well-Off Can't Help the Poor," Charles Karelis, Harvard University Press, 2007
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The sting of poverty
What bees and dented cars can teach about what it means to be poor - and the flaws of economics

By Drake Bennett | March 30, 2008

IMAGINE GETTING A bee sting; then imagine getting six more. You are now in a position to think about what it means to be poor, according to Charles Karelis, a philosopher and former president of Colgate University.

In the community of people dedicated to analyzing poverty, one of the sharpest debates is over why some poor people act in ways that ensure their continued indigence. Compared with the middle class or the wealthy, the poor are disproportionately likely to drop out of school, to have children while in their teens, to abuse drugs, to commit crimes, to not save when extra money comes their way, to not work.

To an economist, this is irrational behavior... a poor person, having little money, would seem to have the strongest incentive to subscribe to the Puritan work ethic...

Karelis, a professor at George Washington University, [argues that] traditional economics just doesn't apply to the poor. When we're poor, Karelis argues, our economic worldview is shaped by deprivation, and we see the world around us not in terms of goods to be consumed but as problems to be alleviated. This is where the bee stings come in: A person with one bee sting is highly motivated to get it treated. But a person with multiple bee stings does not have much incentive to get one sting treated, because the others will still throb. The more of a painful or undesirable thing one has ...the less likely one is to do anything about any one problem. Poverty is less a matter of having few goods than having lots of problems.

Poverty and wealth, by this logic, don't just fall along a continuum the way hot and cold or short and tall do. They are instead fundamentally different experiences...people stop thinking in terms of goods and start thinking in terms of problems, and that shift has enormous consequences. Perhaps because economists, by and large, are well-off, he suggests, they've failed to see the shift at all.

If Karelis is right, antipoverty initiatives championed all along the ideological spectrum are unlikely to work... It also means, Karelis argues, that at one level economists and poverty experts will have to reconsider scarcity, one of the most basic ideas in economics.

"It's Econ 101 that's to blame," Karelis says. "It's created this tired, phony debate about what causes poverty."

In challenging decades of poverty research, Karelis draws on some economic data and some sociological research. But, more than that, he makes his case as a philosopher, arguing by analogy and induction. This approach means that he remains relatively unknown, even among poverty researchers. The book in which he laid out his argument, "The Persistence of Poverty: Why the Economics of the Well-Off Can't Help the Poor," wasn't widely read when it was published last year.

[...]

The economist's term for the idea Karelis takes issue with is the law of diminishing marginal utility. In brief, it means the more we have of something, the less any additional unit of that thing means to us. It undergirds, among other things, how the US government taxes people. We assume that taking $40,000 in taxes from Warren Buffett will be a lot less onerous to him than to an elementary school teacher, because he has so much more to begin with.

In many cases, Karelis says, diminishing marginal utility certainly does apply... But the logic flips when we are dealing with privation rather than plenty...

If, for example, our car has several dents on it, and then we get one more, we're far less likely to get that one fixed than if the car was pristine before. If we have a sink full of dishes, the prospect of washing a few of them is much more daunting than if there are only a few in the sink to begin with. Karelis's name for goods that reduce or salve these sort of burdens is "relievers."

Karelis argues that being poor is defined by having to deal with a multitude of problems: One doesn't have enough money to pay rent or car insurance or credit card bills or day care or sometimes even food. Even if one works hard enough to pay off half of those costs, some fairly imposing ones still remain, which creates a large disincentive to bestir oneself to work at all.

"The core of the problem has not been self-discipline or a lack of opportunity," Karelis says. "My argument is that the cause of poverty has been poverty."

The upshot of this for policy makers, Karelis believes, is that they don't need to fret so much about the fragility of the work ethic among the poor. In recent decades, experts and policy makers all along the ideological spectrum have worried that the more aid the government gives the poor, the less likely they are to work to provide for themselves. David Ellwood, an economist and the dean of Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, has called this "the helping conundrum." It was this concern that drove the Clinton administration's welfare reform efforts.

But, according to Karelis, that argument is exactly backward. Reducing the number of economic hardships that the poor have to deal with actually make them more, not less, likely to work...

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The whole Boston Globe article is here (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/03/30/the_sting_of_poverty?mode=PF):
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/03/30/the_sting_of_poverty?mode=PF

thanks -
:-)

"It's Econ 101 that's to blame," Karelis says. "It's created this tired, phony debate about what causes poverty."

- this is exactly the problem -


thanks -
thought I was going mad there for a while.

... an ADD forum edges towards the all important point of the nature of the problem of environment in a *contextual* disorder

Reference:: ADDF:meadd823
thread - 'ADD is a contextual disorder'

Solution

---1---
Identify the problem within our environment

Identification of the problem
desire for money, capitalism, corporate culture, abuse of poor, failure to consider morality in corporate strategy

---2---
Correct the problem

... ... won't be hard if most people are like us - we don't have anything of any $worth$

Correction to the problem is simple- all that is necessary is the following train of logic

---1---
The solution to the problem relies on the idea of neural stimulation
- people are happy when people are having fun
- money is not necessary

---2---
Fun and meet the basic physiological needs of our species.

---3---
( ~ btw ~
we have a good definition for fun
:-)
also )

--
I once read that just under HALF of people chronically on social assistance ('welfare') have UNDIAGNOSED Learning Disabilities (incl. AD/HD).

To me, LD/ADHD is an invisible Disability that leads to hatred, persecution and blaming of the poor.

(And ofcourse, poor adults cannot often afford Assessment and Testing. :S)

--

The wealthy and middle class will never understand how/why the poor become and stay poor.

They cite things that 'look like self sabotage' on the surface, w/o understanding the deeper levels (aka Six Sigma style) of "why this is (or isn't) happening".

--

e.g. The example of 'teen parenthood'

Social Conservatives say that it is self-defeating to have children too young, and that it ensnares people into poverty.

While it IS (and looks) true...

Teens become parents by DEFAULT, not INTENTION (for starters). This is a function of 'not having control over one's life/fate/future/body'.

You have to have (a) power and (b) self esteem, to plan strategically against not having children. (Some females become pregnant unintentionally and w/o consent, too. Lack of sex ed doesn't help!)

--

re: judging poverty and misery in other countries

People (Westerners) also do not understand why SO MANY African Girls & Women 'get HIV' and 'have too many babies that wind up as starving babies'.

For starters, they are assuming that this population [often illiterate and unable to get education/good paying work -- b/c they are GIRLS] have any power over their lives and bodies...

People here do not understand the EXTREME SEXISM that pervades those cultures. When a girl grows up oppressed, she becomes an oppressed mother of oppressed children. This creates angry, vindictive sons. Sadly these boys/young men, tend to 'identify' with the dominant culture of sexism, and go become unwitting abusers/oppressors themselves. [This is how psychopaths can get made, too, incidentally. Africa [and the world] has had its share of psycho-dictators created due to growing up under such oppression and adversity.]

In African countries, for example, school is often NOT FREE. IF you do not have $800/yr in School Fees, your child does not go to school...

The misery continues.

--

In North America, why do kids drop out of school? Often b/c of problems like LDs, but also b/c of problems like dysfunction in the home. You can't learn in an unsafe or unstable home.

I left HS due to being in an unstable home.

Kids LITERALLY can't learn if there is no food or upheaval or if they are unable to trust their parent's judgement or their parents have mental or work problems that compromise stability.

The only solutions that I see are female empowerment (of mothers) so they can raise more successful kids.


The entitled just don't get it. And never will.

To an economist ...

economics cannot be anything other than a definition of true worth -
and needs therefore to be allied to quality -

is quality a component of economics ?
law ? or politics ?

nope

I know quality in artist, teacher and scientist though -

sorry

but we've gotten things backwards

precedent does that

the oldest
- as we evolve

- the most enshrined

- and actually the root

- the specific
underlying
:-)problem - which need be pulled.

arbuthnot
yes - wilberforce

did you ever think we'd end up here ?

no - wilberforce


talk about systems !

The question is: Is it serious???

Economicsubjectivity.. Yes, some probably aren't very well-off!! That means, the already well-off, do not need to focus on soley amassing, but sharing . . .

What we need, working on that..

female empowerment ---1---
The solution to the problem relies on the idea of neural stimulation
- people are happy when people are having fun
- money is not necessary

---2---
Fun and meet the basic physiological needs of our species.People don' trust the poor, I suppose..

thinking in terms of goods and start thinking in terms of problemsAs we enter in-to the realm of games, the mind.. :D

we just need to realise that the we in 'we' -
- is a ragtag bag o'nerves

and we've a growing central nervous battery in our heads which in return for dreams - places ever greater demand on our capacitance for elvish orculations (abstract mental gymnastics)

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~s ource (http://nerve.bsd.uchicago.edu/med98a.htm)~

Much of our understanding of the ionic mechanisms responsible for the initiation and propagation of the action potential (AP) comes from studies on the squid giant axon by A. L. Hodgkin and A. F. Huxley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Huxley) in 1952. The giant axon has a diameter in excess of 0.5 mm, allowing the introduction of electrodes and change of solutions in the internal medium. These studies have general relevance because the properties of the squid axon are very similar to non-myelinated nerves in other invertebrates and vertebrates, including man.
The Capacitance and Resistance of the membrane.
The plasma membrane is made of a molecular lipid bilayer. Inserted in this bilayer, there are membrane proteins that have the important function of transporting materials across the membrane.
The lipid bilayer acts like an insulator separating two conducting media: the external medium of the axon and the internal medium or axoplasm.

This geometry constitutes an electric capacitorwhere the two conducting plates are the ionic media and the membrane is the dielectric.

The capacitance c of a capacitor increases with the area of the plates and decreases with the separation between the plates according to the the relation.
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and we've a growing central nervous battery in our heads which in return for dreams - places ever greater demand on our capacitance for elvish orculations (abstract mental gymnastics)

elves orculatin' on real imaginary orthogonal bars -
an image of transparent complexity to notionally virtualize
- within balanced stabilite/ of the internal milieu

man, I haven't ever driven a nice new car, lived on property I owned, been to the dentist in 20 years... its not that I have a lot of dents in the car. its that I don't have enough resources to even fix one of them.rich people and people with financial security are blind

Being in the midst of the job search I can testify to the soundness of Professor Karelis position. I find my efforts lagging due to the fact that most likely any job I will be getting in the near term will merely stabilize me in my present muddle. It's not likely that any job I would get would make my life significantly better. And knowing that my life would improve is what I need to motivate myself.

If my stance goes against orthodox economic logic and displays a lack of the work ethic, well all I can say is "tough ****e"...

the only reason the poor majority do not unite and revolt against their wage slave masters, is because subconsciously they still Believe that they may possbly one day BE the rich. this is not only impossible but self-defeating, because those who are hurt the most by hoarding of resources are now, somehow, the ones defending the rich's right to hoard and steal.[think of all the working poor who fear "socialized medicine" but who can't afford health insurance!]

they still Believe that they may possbly one day BE the rich.break this belief
and
we are there

the belief is easily broken by simply looking menacingly at the neurone -

and how it got itself here -
(into head of adder)

after hundreds of millions of years of meandering all over the shop.

what was it thinking?

- so -

think 2 wobbly jellies next to one another
think zero friction
think zero energy loss
think black body radiation

then doink one so it wobbles irregularly towards the other

wibble wobble

and that is the basis to a fair society

duh !!

:-)

I forget the statistics, but personally know of people who were only one or two paychecks away from homelessness and if it can happen to them . . . There is a female vet in Vancouver, B.C. who donates her time to a free vet clinic for the poor. She reasons that for people who are already destitute, that pet becomes priceless to their very existence. I'm sure there are people who saw the feature on the news who couldn't conceive of owning a pet if you couldn't afford to care for it.

Thanks Hollyduck for starting a wonderful thread.

Thanks Hollyduck for starting a wonderful thread.

my wife had treatment of three visits to a dentist which came to most of her salary for a month
we were told how good a person he was - because he works for a couple of weeks for free in Africa

sure - it's better than nothing -

but does 'charity' ever count if the charity does not lead to change -
- and does not impact on the charity giver.

Thinkin' of famous parables

google [rich,poor,money,[his]]

The parable illustrates a theme common to several of [his] parables: the treatment of the least of society is the true measure of piety.

[his] -> term omitted (not hard to guess)
(as per forum guidelines)

Treatment in this sense involves remedying the situation
- and not maintaining it.

Here's ADDF::Ian's signature
- it is meant to tie into ADDF::qinkin's comments (in his post) above -
and the bit in this colour (directly above) -

Samuel Johnson
'the measure of a man is how well he treats another who can do him no good whatsoever'

~btw~ (importantly)

no good whatsoever
doesn't mean
'will hurt' -
means
'will neither hurt nor pleasure'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Johnson
Samuel Johnson
1709 – 1784
often referred to simply as Dr Johnson
is one of England's best known literary figures:an essayist, biographer,
poet, lexicographer and a critic of English Literature.

poet, lexicographer and a critic of English Literature.

poet, lexicographer and a critic of English Literature

poet, lexicographer and a critic of English Literature

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poet, lexicographer and a critic of English Literature
poet, lexicographer and a critic of English Literature
poet, lexicographer and a critic of English Literature

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... ... ... because we create our own reality using language


(expression of the common model - a structured body of knowledge which language gives voice too)

job -> carpenter -> door frame specialist
emploi -> charpentier -> porte
arbeit -> Bob Zimmermann -> tu..r

from

- so -

think 2 wobbly jellies next to one another
think zero friction
think zero energy loss
think black body radiation
... ... then doink one so it wobbles irregularly towards the other
wibble wobble

- and then sets the other moving -
each point where one part of one touching another -
- setting in place a chain ripple -
- whereby - there's a comedy apparently irregular pattern of action-reaction
in these multi-modally quiverin' juxtaposed jelly mountains.

== SID


But I also have something called Sensory Integration Disorder and I can only wear soft t-shirts and that type of thing. ADHD and SID are two different things, I just happen to have them both.
SID can also make a person extremely sensitive to noises or lights or smells, anything that affects any of the senses.

== opening the doors of perception

brings an understanding of the true motivations of man by uncovering the experiential perspective of man looking through eyes of with evolving neural mass (mind) -
under twin motivations -
- the known (instinctive) pull of the past (weaker) -
- alongside -
the new (more powerful) - though appearing weaker (through non-comprehending) (misunderstanding) pull into the future

... ... how can we be sure of any drive which is not yet instinctually appealing ?

We can't trust our instincts -
need to use our mind
-> good (non-judgemental) science

-> see (David) Bohm dialogue (in wikipedia)

->->->- and that is the basis to a fair society
(understanding ourselves)
really not so hard
to
do
(just) - ( holds breath ) - Imagine - ( the possibilities ) -
of above us only sky
not
glass ceiling
of strait and parochially narrow
bell jar

reference::
~2 paraphrases~

ADDF:meadd823
not fear
not diversity
but fear of diversity is the problem
- an incorrect solution to a deeply-held basic instinctive drive -
representing the fear of change
== 'social impulse'

explanation

ADDF::Stabile
'Social impulse - represents the force which holds us all together - but which need be broken -
- when we move to a better structure
- and then re-formed'

We resist breakage of the social bond (the social impulse) -
- though it need break when the (another context) -> social impulse becomes to great to stand -
- shakes the social bond (old social structure apart) ->
ans so this conservatism (reticence to change) (establishment thinking) (force to maintain order)
- has its place

though must know its place -
- and graciously concede when shown to be excess to requirements
- no longer needed -
- and worse still ->- the problem

our society is sick -
- because of anachronistic establishment structure

money (banking,corporate policy) infecting legal policy infecting government affecting economic policy
-<-
zero doubt
that's the problem

And where the social impulse need be seen as an impulse in any energy containing structure -
- of course life represents only a small subset of energetic containing structures

(eg waves, particles of physics and elements of chemistry)

- in effect [an example]
holding carbon together as a bunch of protons and electrons -
and breaking -
- and reforming as carbon chains into an allotrope -
such as diamond.

Diamond and gold are just pretty cool aspects of nature -
- not some weapon to push under other peoples' noses
- to make them jealous.


... ... simply fuels jealousy
... and keeps us from moving on -

the majesty of the very moment in nature when gold was formed
- lost -

-> to pouring gasoline and igniting
to fanning the plames

to fuelling animal greed

http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/supernova-halo.jpg

'to drinking gasoline to quench a thirst
until there's nothing
there

left at all'

suzanne vega
'knight moves'

"They cite things that 'look like self sabotage' on the surface, w/o understanding the deeper levels (aka Six Sigma style) of "why this is (or isn't) happening"."

You just rang a bell with that.

All my life "self sabotage" is what I thought I was doing. I didn't understand it, but it happened every time, leaving me with an inexplicable datum that needed explaining.

Psychiatric subconscious motivations? A need to fail? A female fear of success threatening men around me with my competence leading to having no boyfriends?

No! No stupid subconscious need to fail! Just this suboptimal brain of mine, cutting out when its most needed like an old car with a bad fuel pump. Nobody says the car has a subconscious need to stall. (Although I used to be certain it had a quite conscious need to aggravate me.)

This is part of why I am ALWAYS suspicious when somebody blames something on the subconscious.

Ducky

quote=HollyA female fear of success threatening men around me with my competence leading to having no boyfriends?
If it helps here's my version :A male certainty that success is currently impossible with my incompetence in defeating this argument leading to profound unhappiness in my wife (no money).
So my incompetence in defeating this argument :
see ADDF thread::'cau$e of ADD'
summary post #137 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=569301&postcount=137)
--- addressed at Holly ---

If I'm allowed :-)
I read your words to suggest your upset at the way you're made to feel by men who react adversely to your success - as if to push you back into conforming to the submissive female role -
or at least any female role where men are not made to feel submissive.

So - I believe that this is related to mating behaviour -
the first mating behaviour involves male power over female.

--- addressed at Holly --- ends

In my case though - I'm suggesting that there's a reaction to the unfair treatment of woman by man -
- which addresses the core problem -
the core problem being inequality between man and woman.

Here's an example from nature :

wikiP/Lioness
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lioness) The lioness has been recognized, however, as the pinnacle of hunting prowess from the earliest of human writings and graphic representations. The lionesses are the hunters for their pride and execute their skills with precision and complex teamwork.

And here's how this pans out in human society

Council of women world leaders
(http://www.womenworldleaders.org/) The Council of Women World Leaders is a network of current and former women presidents and prime ministers.

The Council currently has 36 Members.

However - and taken from geometry -
- there is a problem

The pattern of evolution is for evolutionary ascent to occur using the following pattern

(1) < Male > invasiveness on ( Female )
(2) ( Female community ) defeat of < Male > unfairness
and then counter duality

The pattern is of evolution through - in effect - balancing and imbalancing a 'quality'

So -
- in your post - you describe the male attack on female, and then female retaliation -
however I'm describing the next stage -

since the battles for duality described on the physical layer -
are essentially meaningless -
because the point was never physical power over another (can describe more if you like).

(1) < Male > invasiveness on ( Female )
(2) ( Female community ) defeat of < Male > unfairness
and then counter duality
The counter duality used in (2) - relates to an aspect of multi-tasking
and
after the first cycle through of (1) and (2) -
- we repeat - though not on the physical -
instead on the mental layer.

So - the invasiveness on the physical layer - is the power of man over physical woman.
Invasiveness - the second time around - relates to invading the mind of woman - conquering the models of reality which woman has in mind -
for better models of reality.
Man has a tendency to invade - though cannot keep ahold ('bank' gains)

(btw - I'm only using classical man : woman arguments here -
to avoid complication -
the complication resides in the mental layer being physical layer independent - hence male and female homosexuality (anyway))

--- OK ---
So -
in my reply - I'm describing a problem with both the male approach to woman (first and foremost) -
though next in the female retaliation to male
- which although necessary -
has run its course

because the physical layer itself has ceased to be important.

OK - so now I need to give more personal details -
I am only on this forum for one reason (as described in
'cau$e of ADD'
above) -

quite simply -

I believe that the development of mind will kill us unless there's a radical change in society -
- I cannot work for money (and I'm :-) not lazy) -
- because money itself is wrong.

The phrase for an absolute incapacity to perform a task in the workplace is
ADDF::Stabile
'enforced moral consistency'

... ... not laziness - I can work for 72 hours without sleeping or eating (well once anyway :-) )

- it's because I can't find the need for any current structure -
I can replace the purpose of every currently performed task of work -
with a better alternative -
(better meaning higher quality)
- and all by ripping the greedy soul out of our societally enforced desire to make money - and replacing the 'competitive' model with a 'collaborative' model in its place.

I have a thread entitled
'competititon versus collaboration'
in 'general ADD' from a year ???ago??? (giving more details)

In more detail (then)
- one cannot earn money (currently) - without contributing to supporting a fundamentally corrupt system
-though- (importantly)
one cannot not earn money - and so
(simply)
I'd like to suggest that
(if the mental pain which I'm currently feeling is anything to go by)
-then-
- that we'd better get our house into order

because I won't be the first or last to have this problem

- simply put -
intelligence and money (as currently corruptly used) are absolutely confounding -
and even thinking about solving this problem (unlike any other problem) - leaves me feeling queasy -
- because this is a problem which I cannot force through with thought, other forum members and wikipedia open

- we're not talking about some interesting problem for deconvolution -
we're talking about the only problem which need be tackled
-> ripping out a deeply defined corrupt heart to the ways (the measure of success) in our current society

There is hope (if society changes)

~s ource (http://www.mdx.ac.uk/WWW/STUDY/xpla0.htm)~

Chapter 4 Wealth, poverty, and virtue
... ... simple and moderate desires which follow reason, and are under the guidance of mind and true opinion, are to be found only in a few, and those the educated.

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Here's the first version of the post -
it may offer a slightly different slant
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Mine is a male certainty that there is
no such thing
as success
(in our current context)
- where
in our current context
is used (here) - to represent the accumulation of anything 'physical' for oneself - and choosing to not share it with others
== the (desire for the) trapping$ of wealth

-> in a society where most individuals pursue their own personal greed over community-wide benefit.

(I'll define true 'success' if you like -
where 'true' means the 'success' which we should be striving towards at this stage in our evolution;
suffice it to say (though) that the nature of how success should be seen is the absolute opposite of the current characterization our society has for success)

The bit in this style and colour
- simply relates to man turning away from physical stimulation and chasing mental stimulation - no physical world item is of any worth - and as long as we chase physical wealth
- we'll fall.

I can't be successful - because we cannot survive without money and we cannot earn money.

why can't we survive without money ?
Because just keeping one's head above water requires money.

why can't we earn money?
Because fundamental corruption within the system - means that people who cheat will be able to cheat themselves into positions of power over others.

The nature of morality - is that people who are not moral - are less constrained in their behaviour than those who're more moral -
- and so the more moral cannot fight back.

--- ps Holly ---
I really like your style -
you should write more
(you remind me of ADDF::Mijahe)

Man !
... ... ... I write too much.

So - here it is again (shorter form)the way you feel and the way that I feel
(neither of us very happy)
may be explained by one process (the evolutionary process defined under a single and very specific repeating geometric iteration)

once we see this - we can work towards happiness - because we understand the true nature of our own unhappiness

the solution to our problems arise - when we can bring the world up to a level in which all of our species do not need to worry about their physiological (physical needs) (physical abstraction layer) needs and education (mental abstraction layer - 'higher') is freely available
(by the way - the internet is enough
- along with a few imaginative chappies to deliver the information (education) (mind dependent) to others - in a happy fun way (which assures learning)))

thereafter we kiss goodbye to the physical world (which is an illusion anyhow
-> but don't worry about that little bit yet (it's not as scary or LSD-induced an idea as it sounds))

and become happy in the mental -> spiritual evolutionary sublayers representing evolution of mind
(and please don't worry about the word 'spirituality' - it's just a freakily abused word on account of it being new -
- and so not tightly defined -
see it instead as a chemical bond of comradery between people).

chemical bond of comradery

....http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:LZFewnSGK8ctEM:http://www.abcteach.com/paper/images/childc7.gif

.......is kinda' -> it <-

SB_UK:

I cut to the chase -- I am not saying that I really felt I needed to be unsuccessful in order to have boyfriends.

Or that I really wanted to self-sabotage.

But that these concepts were put forward by culture, literature or those around me, and I considered whether they might be accurate, in order to be able to explain my failures which didn't have acceptable explanations otherwise.

ADHD makes me reconsider that a lot of concepts (self sabotage and laziness, among others) might not actually exist at all, apart from being the effects of "minimal brain damage".

It's no help to explain magnetism by saying, "The God of Iron makes it happen". To me, that's sort of what the idea of the subconscious does -- makes people stop looking.

Ducky
proud of her new avatar

quote=hollyduck;570566

I cut to the chase -- I am not saying that I really felt I needed to be unsuccessful in order to have boyfriends.

isn't it more a case that being successful causes a response in men -
which results in you feeling that your success is not well taken?

Or that I really wanted to self-sabotage.

if we want success and boyfriends - then the nature of the reaction - is that either way will feel like self sabotage.
Either success without man or man without success.
I'm suggesting that the male reaction is an evolutionary legacy - and is false
and
that 'success' is not understood - and so chasing classical '$ucce$$' - brings zero reward.

But that these concepts were put forward by culture, literature or those around me, and I considered whether they might be accurate, in order to be able to explain my failures which didn't have acceptable explanations otherwise.

literature defines our mindscape -
and enforces the behaviours described herein - of abuse of man on woman and then woman on man
- these are part of the process -
the political party which takes government and which is overthrown
- and then that new party - which subsequently loses
(the only difference is that evolution gets us some place -
from a world with first life to :-) (many years later)
->
ADDer)

ADHD makes me reconsider that a lot of concepts (self sabotage and laziness, among others) might not actually exist at all, apart from being the effects of "minimal brain damage".

They don't exist as diseases - they exist as healthy physiological responses to a diseased society -
- as a response to a diseased society - to change it -
so that we (ourselves) - can evolve higher.
Society
- community -
- evolution is the point here -
we observe evolution of neurone -> man
and then man -> society
(where man is like atom of physics which subsequently finds home within chemical element)

It's no help to explain magnetism by saying, "The God of Iron makes it happen". To me, that's sort of what the idea of the subconscious does -- makes people stop looking.

What if someone said it's the God of Iron - and you can't see him or her -
however - if you examine all of the following locations -
you'll see a structure which repeats -
which really really really really shouldn't repeat in a random world.
You'll look
- and you'll see the structure
- and you'll then be able to infer things - from having an idea of the pattern which defines our universe.

The first example which I saw of this pattern was of
carbon -> trigonal graphite -> tetrahedral diamond -> icosahedral fullerene

1d -> 3d->4d->13d -> 1'd

d dimensional

and then immediately thereafter
- repetition of the icosahedron as the basic stage in the virus -
the icosahedral virus.

- everything involves a simple geometric process -
and before discounting the idea -
it'd help
(before I'm shouted at again)

- if you realise that this idea is very novel
- and completely overturns the perspective which we have on the Universe (and all constituents)

(and actually is really really obvious
- after the initial shock at not having seen it :-) before
~btw~
I didn't notice the pattern either
:-) )

... ... the existence of a pattern
but What does that quotation above ~actually~ mean?

it means that we can use the model (the basis of maths and physics has always been to develop and test models) -
- in the study of life -

there's a pattern.

One pattern.

And it repeats over and over - and from it are we instantiated.

Of particular note - is the instantiation of mind.

It helps to realise that the mind represents us -
- and that the mind is only a relatively recent construct

(~ 50 thousand years old in a 5 - 20 billion year Universe)

- so don't trust anyone -
why should you?
(I wouldn't)
have a look at the structure -
- and then observe its appearance all over.

Why is this basic idea important ?

define what's important and this idea will answer all of your questions
- here're the first three which pop to mind -
which can be answered (now)

and I think most'd consider the answers to these questions as being of vital necessity to the collective people of planet Earth.

question 1]
Describe the process for generating electricity using nuclear fusion so that we can ALL (no exceptions) be given free power

question 2]
Define happiness (and how I (where I == anybody and everybody) can be happy) ?

question 3]
Does god exist?

---no problem--- solutions to those three -

and plenty more

:-)

the beauty is that these ideas are now out there -
can't be patented and
will hopefully set this world free of voluntary incarceration to the bullies who would not relinquish control.

Personally - if I could find a bully-free minimum wage environment to pay the bills -
I'd publish the answers to every question that man currently strives for

man $trives only for himself - dirty ignorant self-centred motivation

personally - I'd publish the answers to every question that man currently strives for on the internet
so that no patents could thereafter be filed by the nonsense people of this world -
who haven't realised that the knee bone is connected to the leg bone.

happy happy that thought makes me :-)
- ripping the balls off all of those impotent guys who're after a fast buck.

There is no control
(in the sense that those who control us believe) -

we were created.

didn' know that stuff, hmm.. :)

is it the money we work for??? or the potential some paper brings to the table.. becoming, we mus, millionaires against hunger..

== opening the doors of perception chemical bond of comraderyHuxley's Brave New World.

Word=-World.. hmmm..

oldneword*^*^worlden

+++++

family lineage--treee which supports the birds.. life cycle,we are part

birds,
like leaves,
go back,
to be upon,
dos' trees

from natureself-sabotage.what in common??? self.

success should be seen is the absolute opposite of the current characterization our society has for success)the mind is only a relatively recent construct :confused: I dunno, the whole universe seems to have one, if you really reflect.. self, to supra-self.. seeing the mutual<->influences

I do agree,
self-strives to be supra-self,
the only right intention for self.

floatation ,
becoming ever more attractive proposition

There is no control
(in the sense that those who control us believe)

here's the sorta' thing

quote=_;569975
The capacitance c of a capacitor increases with the area of the plates and decreases with the separation between the plates
/quote

evolution to greater space-filling efficiency
- the tremendous pattern of bifurcation - and elevation of surface are : volume ratio -
which links the pattern in increased associativity
interface between individual neurones
- within the brain (a larger single structure - formed from community of collaborating neurones)

sure apparent 'competition' occurs

but very importantly

the competition isn't for the benefit of the individual neurone or strain of neurones
(neurones are separated into larger groupings called nuclei
->-
~eg~ red nucleus)

instead competition is viewed as improvement in the function of the u..ber structure -
the individual selves 'fighting' for supremacy don't matter unless the brain sees net benefit

what does net benefit mean from perspective evolutionary process over brain -
- increased surface area : volume ratio

improved space-filling capacity
- a better battery

more efficient energy containing structure
- evolution to (geometrically-defined) complexity

where the two stages are

(i) evolve new characteristic -> 'speciation stage'
speciation is not restricted to 'biology'
chemical species exist
- similarly strain is not restricted to stand-alone prokaryote -
and the usage here is of community of neurone -
which cannot exist outside of their
'social' context ->- the brain

(ii) use new characteristic until a specific geometrical structure (shape) is formed

So -

-> increased surface area : volume ratio
as in evolution of a better central nervous battery

The capacitance c of a capacitor increases with the area of the plates and decreases with the separation between the plates

is essentially ->-

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:SPgn8Es5OYQcpM:http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/02/13/23281302.jpg
google - alveoli (from within)

a shared geometry - only one pattern

google - alveoli (from without)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KkNc3lRaxCXn4M:http://oac.med.jhmi.edu/res_phys/Encyclopedia/Alveoli/AlveoliDrawing.GIF


(now think envelopes - as in mitochondria and cristal :-) structures)

a shared geometry - only one pattern

--- where the pattern has inside and outside ---

and where we cannot see the two shapes -
simultaneously
convex and concave

... as in ...

->- this sorta' thing ->-

face candlestick face

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:XtU2v2GO6ijizM:http://gamil.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/r2c2-large.jpg

and where our (this) incapacity (in our visual acuity (system)) explains why 'stuff' doesn't appear so regular -

- that is -

convex and concave images invisible simultaneously -
- different structures of different stages of different heights of evolutionary ascent -
at different stages of the two stages
speciation (evolutionary event) and physiological processes leading to next event

- so -

nerve -> brain (evolution) -> to increased efficiency of space-filling using one technique (physiological cranking the hande of some novel evolutionary character)
- until very specific new structure is formed

structure (generic) formed when

roots -> + -> tree trunk -> + -> crown of tree form
->
the basic shape


increased efficiency of space-filling using one technique -
seen (to demonstrate) in the fine superstructure of the lung (the increased surface area:volume ration of the capillary : alveolar interface
->-

The capacitance c of a capacitor increases with the area of the plates
The capacitance c of a capacitor increases with the area of the plates

The capacitancec of a capacitor increases with the area of the plates


where examination of the internal and external aspects reflect -
- in effect the -

< convex >
and
( concave )

perspectives
(which we cannot appreciate in any single shape at the same time)

- and where the simple geometric nature of nature is (as it must be) -
seen
everywhere

---eg---
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KkNc3lRaxCXn4M:http://oac.med.jhmi.edu/res_phys/Encyclopedia/Alveoli/AlveoliDrawing.GIF
roots -> + -> tree trunk -> + -> crown of tree form
->
the basic shape

->- ->- ->-

... ... noting ... ...

presence of 4 trees tied together
and dangling upside down (above)

->-

http://www.hookedontatouage.com/pics/Grapes_Vine_Faux.jpg


... ... ... a shared geometry - only one pattern

---------------- there need be only one

---------------the end of physics
-------------------- (in a nice way)---
-------------the end of knowledge

didn' know that stuff, hmm.. :)


just can't get the image of these next two undisputed heavyweight studmuffins

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:7rjRCFcLmBTxrM:http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/9/95/Andrew_huxley_trinity.png http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:4aDdK8tiFw_h5M:http://www.badastronomy.com/pix/bablog/2007/Sir_Patrick_Moore.jpg

- out in their '50s droptop (music bangin' hard)
- cruisin' down Regent's Street searching for
anime


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:EjaIPksb2W0JfM:http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/a/animeparadise.jpg http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:tWJaD9a7GeohPM:http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i89/Rei_sama/Anime%2520girls/origianl_skirt9685410.jpg http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:5bjZraDarcowBM:http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1383/758835013_d198ff2b4e_b.jpg http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:S7gpQ8OEqXEJDM:http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/BW_Roronoa_Zoro/Anime/1177144531101.jpghttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:2zxCNuNgPUFGKM:http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/a/areflectionbabe.jpg

outta'
my (mighty fine)
erudite
head

dirty old men !!!
:-)

so ~qk~

---a---n---y---

comments ???


:p;):p:p;):p

---ps---

qk

Regent's Street
is in downtown Cambridge

think Manhattan with a blackhead

and then lose Manhattan

~*~

(are you there?)

couldn't've drawn them betters.. lol:p i prefer apple-butter w/my ummm! butnway..:D

context context=yaow=virtual Regent Street:cool:

What is the Reality like, SB??

a shared geometry - only one pattern

what does net benefit mean from perspective evolutionary process over brain -
- increased surface area : volume ratio

improved space-filling capacity
- a better battery

more efficient energy containing structure
- evolution to (geometrically-defined) complexity

:)by golly ejaculating blossoms of complexity

What is the Reality like, SB??
:)by golly ejaculating blossoms of complexity


ejaculating blossoms of complexity

( exactly )


:-)

ejaculating blossoms of complexity

---1---
reality is trinity

---2---
trinity a spinning duality in 2 of the 3 axes

---3--
imagine two identical Moebius strips - and flip one
o > spin >
o

o < spin <
o

---4---
merge

o.o
o.o

---5---
the motion of these two duals - results in spin of the single shape -
o.o
o.o

---6--
Imagine a spinning butterly
O|O
O|O
where | is the central channel through the butterfly

---7---
This is the same shape as the rotating torus (doughnut) - when viewed from above
- the combination of
o.o
o.o

generates one spin state in the child structure

whereas

o.o
o.o

generates the other

---8---
meaning that the child structures of the first duality -
generate the child structures which can make up the second duality -
by the same process

this means that the process'd be like

Darth Vader + Mrs Skywalker
->-
Luke + Leia
->-
next generation male and female geometries

- where the point is to increase complexity by actually fusing all of the two parental structure complexities into the child structure.

So

Darth Vader + Mrs Skywalker
->-
[Luke] + [Leia]
->-
next generation [male] and [female] geometries

- so increased scrambling -
- oncreased variability (regression to the mean -> normalization -
generating variability by enforcing a normal continuous distribution)

See RA Fisher (1918) on ADDF previously
monogenic disorder (2 states) contains less information (less variable) (less information to encode) (less variability)
than a
quantitative (normally distributed) trait.

It's important that we see the difference between variability -
regression to the mean -
increased complexity - using this more widely used definition

and evolution to complexity -
reflecting the a completely different process -
the process of making it through an evolutionary speciation event -

See
The two meanings of complexity
below.

so

evolutionary speciation event 1
->
new evolutionary character 1
->
optimal usage of character 1
->
evolutionary speciation event 2
->
new evolutionary character 2
->
optimal usage of character 2
->
evolutionary speciation event 3
->
new evolutionary character 3
->
optimal usage of character 3
---etc---

However we cannot mandate
->
evolutionary speciation event 3
or at least species wide benefits from event 3 character
---until---
->
optimal usage of character 1
has regressed to the mean -
demonstrates a fair and equitable normal distribution

why?
The equivalent of the following argument

proton + electrons
->
carbon
->
diamond

How can we arrive at diamond ?
---unlesss---

(i) our protons and electrons are not wonky
- and so will not support the added wonkful stress

(ii) importantly -> we know that carbon's kinda' keen for making the leap to diamond

The two meanings of complexity
optimal usage of character 1
->
regression to the mean -
generating a normal distribution
- adding great variability into a system - so that the essential characteristic is shared
mix it up so there are no pedigrees

So - complexity in this stage
optimal usage of character 1
->

so
the species can move collectively towards
->
evolutionary speciation event 3

- where complexity is the standard usage on ADDF -
of the onion structure of 'things'
gaining an extra layer
an actual evolutionary event -
conferring an additional layer upon the pre-existing structure.

---9---


---6--
Imagine a spinning butterly
O|O
O|O
where | is the central channel through the butterfly

---7---
This is the same shape as the rotating torus (doughnut) - when viewed from above
- the combination of
o.o
o.o

generates one spin state in the child structure

whereas

o.o
o.o

generates the other


the butterfly is the spinning red in
media player vizualization 'plenoptic:spyro'
- the centre flanking the lorentzian butterfly from
photobucketi/ADDF::Luthien
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/flugufrelsarinn.gif)only the top layer of (parts around | and _ are shown)
o|o
.._
o.o

is seen.

The whole butterfly is seen in this heart from
ADDF:Marytza
photobucket/ADDF::Marytza ++ (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/ADDFMarytza.jpg)

and the image above of intimately converged webs illustrated by Marytza -
the translation into a dynamic image thanks to Luthien
and its concordance with discworld (Terry Pratchett)
- thanks to ADDF::Mijahe
(as a dynamic process)

brings us back to in my pants - where we find this process drawn -
from direct experimental observation

- image taken from CERN and the Story of Mathematics (both referenced elsewhere)
photobucket/Stabile and CERN (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/Stabile.gif)
particularly evident in the three images above
ii(ii)ii to ii(i)ii

Why is any of the above of any importance to this thread


1.If it's true (which it is)
- and we generalize everything (with energetic content) - to a pattern
then

2.We can use the pattern to put 'stuff' into order -
by that I mean - we can define the mechanism by which (maybe missing stages)

wave -> quantum -> subatomic particles -> particle -> element -> geological structure -> life -> mind -> social structure

3.We'll be able to show that there has to be a certain social structure -
based on every piece of knowledge which has ever been accrued -
and that this social structure -

(in the previous example) - of

Hi
you're through to A.Slob -
can I (burppp!)
help you?

evolutionary speciation event 1 ->
new evolutionary character 1 ->
optimal usage of character 1
->
evolutionary speciation event 2->
new evolutionary character 2 ->
optimal usage of character 2
->
evolutionary speciation event 3->
new evolutionary character 3->
optimal usage of character 3

new evolutionary character 1 (dopamine level I) (physical)
->
new evolutionary character 2 (dopamine level II (mental)
->
new evolutionary character 3 (dopamine level III) (spiritual)

or that we don't get to evolve unless we observe
regression to the mean in the physical level
(level I)
-> a fair distribution of wealth
maximum variability in the system
a strong foundation

continuous normal distribution without obscene blips in either direction.

money drives corruption - it's bad.

an even playing field -
and not the cruddy economics of keeping the poor in their place

reference:
Swiss banks and Swiss NGOs and Swiss election campaigns
in
'Cau$e of Money' on 'General ADD'

because it's not right
and physical wealth is unimportant
and we're not greedy prionful apes from dining on the live brains of our fellow man -

I mean come on !

legacy establishments are enshrining the incarceration of man -
- by worshipping stupid stupid money

not

dope

mine mine mine

not dopamean

but dopamine as our stairway to heaven -
level I retired -
III beckons

and all that stands in our way

are the $ powerful - understanding this argument and relinquishing (the tough part) power -

will it happen ?

yes -

will it happen painlessly

dunno' -

not my call -
guess it's down to strength of moral outrage.

pattern

( dual 1

) dual 2

()
(the torus or doughnut which spins) -> _


So we have the idea of a spinning doughnut -
a doughnut with a belt

a spinning doughnut with a belt -

this kinda shape

-(-)-

where - the child structure is this bit - the belt
- - -

- and where the spin is in that axis - and so - if we imagine that this image is of the classical
x to the right
y up the screen
z into the screen

- then the child structure (belt)
represents the spin of a ring in the z plane -
and where the ring is formed from -

-> see the Lorentzian butterfly (faintly presented) -
on this image -
image
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/flugufrelsarinn.gif)the two trains in dual through the centre -
- give way to the Lorentzian butterfly

Here's the switch from that Lorentzian butterfly -
to a more stark representation of it -
The Ring
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/TheRing.gif)as ring (cross section through ring)

The Lorentzian butterfly (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/purely-academic.gif) seen within The Ring (above)
and the nature of time (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/tick-follows-tock.gif)

- time is dependent on the evolutionary status of the mind -
the status of the onion whose eyes we observe reality through

Next

Trinity represents duality parent forming child forming one parent (the parents and the child are rings - with specific spin state)-(-)-


the spin state of the child - defines on meeting its dual -
whereafter this duality takes on the role of parents on their own child structure

(although on a higher level -
if we're talking an evolutionary event
- rather than physiological process of learning how to use an evolutionary character)


so

()

and
---

are

(i) all rings
(ii) all have spin state

---------------------
---tangent---

eg this from this thread

http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/supernova-halo.jpg

-(-)-

where we've a great look at the child structure - - -
and so can't really see the orthogonal duality (relative to - - -)
(
and
)

(in effect - it's round the bend)

we can only see one 3d space with clarity.

and where through the orthogonal duality
- parents -
(
and
)

have the black hole running through their centre - their power -> |
-(-|-)-

- examination of the image shows three parts

---- ----->- is obvious - the really bright ring

() ------->- is the less obvious - though still discernible shimmer in the middle (purple blue)

| -------->- is the dark bit running through the centre in the less obvious purple blue bit above


---tangent--- ENDS
---------------------

and so are essentially the same -
from the important perspective that they can enter and leave the same one process for evolutionary growth

a ring enters the process - a ring leaves

the same geometry with different energetic content

this basic idea unites

(i) string theory
(ii) the standard stuff
(iii) second law of thermodynamics with a take on energetic distribution (entropy, enthalpy)
(iv) chaos theory (fractals) (supersymmetry) and the other take on chaos and order

So - infinity collapses into a bounded structure -
one process predominates -
fundamental duality of convex/concave ->

explaining bilateria
- the nature of the symmetry of life

symmetry of left and right sides of brain
-> as everted opposites (three dimensional opposites)

reference ::
ADDF::zach 326

- the nature of the neanderthal and cro-magnon skull being eversions of one another - turn one inside out and get the other

similar principle with man and woman -
- most notable if you look in your pants and then on the internet for the contents of the pants in the gender which you are currently signed up to

(one sticks in and the other sticks out)

- and then the shimmer of the basic pattern of stability

spin left spin right
with intermediate switch between the two -

- last encountered in the white and opaque structures of Candida albicans -
the groin itchy phantom menace.

sorry
forgot to save post-edit
can this post be kept ?
-------------------------

pattern

( dual 1

) dual 2

()

(the torus or doughnut which spins)
->
_


So we have the idea of a spinning doughnut -
a doughnut with a belt

a spinning doughnut with a belt -

this kinda shape

-(-)-

where - the child structure is this bit - the belt

- - -

- and where the spin is in that axis - and so - if we imagine that this image is of the classical
x to the right
y up the screen
z into the screen

- then the child structure (belt)
represents the spin of a ring in the z plane -
and where the ring is formed from -

-> see the Lorentzian butterfly (faintly presented) -
on this image -
image
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/flugufrelsarinn.gif)the two trains in dual through the centre -
- give way to the Lorentzian butterfly

Here's the switch from that Lorentzian butterfly -
to a more stark representation of it -
The Ring
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/TheRing.gif)as ring (cross section through ring)

The Lorentzian butterfly (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/purely-academic.gif) seen within The Ring (above)
and the nature of time (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/tick-follows-tock.gif)

- time is dependent on the evolutionary status of the mind -
the status of the onion whose eyes we observe reality through

Next

Trinity represents duality parent forming child forming one parent (the parents and the child are rings - with specific spin state)

-(-)-

the spin state of the child - defines on meeting its dual -
whereafter this duality takes on the role of parents on their own child structure

(although on a higher level -
if we're talking an evolutionary event
- rather than physiological process of learning how to use an evolutionary character)

so

()

and

---

are

(i) all rings
(ii) have spin state (with meaning defined only after meeting its dual)

---------------------
---tangent---
---------------------

eg this from an earlier post in this thread

http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/supernova-halo.jpg

-(-)-

where we've a great look at the child structure - - -
and so can't really see the orthogonal duality (relative to - - -)
(
and
)

(in effect - it's round the bend)

we can only see one 3d space with clarity.

and where through the orthogonal duality
- parents -
(
and
)

have the black hole running through their centre - their power -> |
-(-|-)-

- examination of the image shows three parts

---- ----->- is obvious - the really bright ring

() ------->- is the less obvious - though still discernible shimmer in the middle (purple blue)

| -------->- is the dark bit running through the centre in the less obvious purple blue bit above


---------------------
---tangent--- ENDS
---------------------

and so are essentially the same -
from the important perspective that they can enter and leave the same one process for evolutionary growth

a ring enters the process
- a ring leaves

the same geometry with different energetic content

this basic idea unites

(i) string theory
(ii) the standard stuff
(iii) second law of thermodynamics with a take on energetic distribution (entropy, enthalpy)
(iv) chaos theory (fractals) (supersymmetry) and the other take on chaos and order

So - infinity collapses into a bounded structure -
one process predominates -
fundamental duality of convex/concave ->

explaining bilateria
- the nature of the symmetry of life

symmetry of left and right sides of brain
-> as everted opposites (three dimensional opposites)

:: reference ::
ADDF::zach 326

- the nature of the neanderthal and cro-magnon skull being eversions of one another - turn one inside out and get the other

similar principle with man and woman -
- most notable if you look in your pants and then on the internet for the contents of the pants in the gender which you are currently signed up to

(one sticks in and the other sticks out)

- and then the shimmer of the basic pattern of stability

spin left spin right
with intermediate switch between the two -

- last encountered in the white and opaque structures of Candida albicans -
the groin itchy phantom menace.

And also

The child ring -
when examined in cross section
- is seen to itself be composed of duality -

that is that the child ring -
contains a left and right side -
which are in effect dualities

->-

eyes.gif (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/eyes.gif)

The dualities will only evolve - when these two duals are juxtaposed -

supercoiled - so

( ) <-

cross section at position <- through the 3d ring (doughnut) above

o o

where the two 'cross sectional rings' are moving in opposite directions because it is derived from the spinning
( ) <-

(from just above)

So - how de we make o o approach one another if drawn from ( ) <-

I guess the answer is
(see DNA supercoiling from previously on ADDF)

if we Moebius supercoil the ring (and so - not to scale) - if we perform the following
twist
( )
to
()
()
()
()
()

thereby
o-> <-o approach one another

prior to approaching sufficiently closely to become the
blue -> black -> two red stream single entity
or intimately converged webs of emergence
- the two red streams are most clearly visible (in the centre) (the parents - merged)
~s~ amplified reality (excerpted from the image above)

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/flugufrelsarinn-1.gif

black gap
to
blue streams (the blue streams can't be made out as two separate streams - which they are)
are also visible at the bottom of the picture.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Circular_DNA_Supercoiling.png/180px-Circular_DNA_Supercoiling.png

the pattern becomes -
kinda like winding up an elastic band -
but whereby the relaxation stage winds up the opposing strand -

and so -
the pattern becomes

->- not to scale (for simplicity of postman)

( ) -< twist in continuous string
twist ->-
( )
( )
twist ->-
( )
( )
( )
twist ->-
( )
( )
( )
( )

whereby relaxation in red leads to contraction in blue

( ) ____unwinding blue by turning at this point by 180 degrees \ _ >
( )


leads to
( ) -<- winding here
()____unwinding blue by turning at this point by 180 degrees \ _ >
( )

whereby

._. -<- at this point the unwinding reverses direction
( )
( )
( )
( )

and hence we have a pulse -

from pole to pole

._. pole
( )
( )
( )
( )
( )
( )
( )
( ) to pole

whereby the perpetual twist - untwist
manifests the spin of the object -
spin + and spin -

duality is of the same object -
- essentially moving in opposition

the convex and concave representations of the same species -
defined as moving towards and away from some independent observer
combining

->- hence doppler shifts of blue and red

-> observer effects

the concave and convex images of the same object moving either away or towards us -
- then represent eversions of one another -
- and these combine to give us an evolved entity

speciation

and

evolution up to the next stage

->-

as an object generates an eversion of itself
and then
binds to itself

as expression of the evolution of energy --
-- using this one basic rule.

... ... ... with bloody too many smeggin' perspectives

(haven't even tried a sneaky look up its

but

- whatever - it was always going to be deceptively complex -
or is that simply complex
or deceptively simply complex ???

or was it ???

but ... ...

beautiful

but

wise man say ya but
ya but

ya but

:-)

( )-->--( )
( )-->--( )
( )-->--( )
( )-->--( )
( )-->--( )
turned inside out
- plain coloured layer to assist
-> ( and )
reflect the inside of the shape -
not visible from the outside

( ))-->--(( )
(( )-->--( ))
( ))-->--(( )
(( )-->--( ))
( ))-->--(( )
if we imagine that the shape on the left is of a series of tennis balls with holes drilled into top and bottom -
and then stuck together

... ... the ( )) represents a blue and red line on the outside of the tennis ball -
and the ) represents a line on the inside of the tennis ball -
not observable from the outside.

- then the shape to the right
- can be seen to be the shape on the left
'pulled inside out' from the inside

Observer is outside on the left -
and inside on the image in the right (the everted (relative to the first) - turned inside out (relative to the first) image).

why is this important ?


( )-->--( )
( )-->--( )
( )-->--( )
( )-->--( )
( )-->--( )

caterpillars -> butterflies

(post to be completed later)

when I work out
why this is important ???

Suspicion
(this idea is a little difficult to vizualize)(actually may be the basis to the idea of
cosmic mind f...
(rhymes with duck)
:-) )

feels as though we're in a world in which our mind (sensory stream from external reality) is everts inside out - outside in - inside out
with fixed periodicity

- in line with the eversion events which're occurring in all processes (the eversion - is fundamental to energetic evolution
-> 'the end of physics'

- in the world around us.

(but in a nice way)

This image is going to hurt -
imagine all emergent structures everting inside out
outside in

to a pulsatility related to the evolutionary status (number of layers on the onion)

whereby
- the more evolved -
the slower the relative pulsatility

--- aside --- --- aside ---
it's why we can actually see the pulsatility (unaided) in the pulsar -
it's slow enough to be observed

whereas less evolved bipolar structures like atoms -
switch too quickly -

- not really surprising -
our model of the atom features a swirling electron cloud which is traversing a fixed path around the central nucleus with statistical probability -

the Bohr
s
p
d
f
electron orbital paths
- which're filled dependent on position of chemical element in the periodic table.
--- aside --- --- aside --- ends

imagine all emergent structures everting inside out
outside in
in a Universal context where all structures are undergoing this basic process

and in which the mind is also
(the observer - with information from external reality streamin' using this freaky input)

and correction of our view on reality -
occurs when we correct our models of reality -
for this fundamental nature of observer's data stream
(mind of the observer)

and thereafter

stuff will fall into place

maybe

[ quick run !!! ]

:-)

~s (http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/celldivision/images/metaphase.gif) under image properties ~

http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/celldivision/images/metaphase.gif

---1---
The model (DNA) for the surrounding cell in this metaphase spread -
- may be drawn as follows

- a hierarchical model - which defines a sequential series of steps from which DNA template (model)
leads to container vessel.
The hierarchical (sequential) model (DNA template) seeks to optimise its protective outer container.

This sounds just like a hierarchical model (class model) -
a container vessel which is used as stock for people -
- and into which people add knowledge
- for others to access

---1b---

> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
>
- representing 4 chromosomes.

---2---
Taking just 1 chromosome -
we have

|\|/|
|/|\|

two cones arrayed head to head.

- the cones are in red and blue.

---3---
Except there aren't two -
there's simply one everting from side to side

|\|/|
|/|\|
|\|/|
|/|\|
|\|/|
|/|\|
|\|/|
|/|\|
|\|/|
|/|\|

---4---

this'll
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <

be a representation -
then
of

4 people's minds -
hanging off a shared model
whereby eversion permits mixing
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <
> | <

- this is the orthogonal model
class model
meta model
in meta phase

the differential model of people with mind
- a link between all people - a single line of communication between all members of our species

seen as our individual minds

evert in and out -
the commonality of eversion in emergent energetic structures

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

switching indiscriminantly between
the genomic model or (template)
of an organism (eg man with mind) and
the class model or (template)
of an organism (man with mind)

- we see that proper alignment of chromosomal dualities along a line pre-empts division ... ... ... ... ... ...
(unfinished)

:-)

to be continued ... ... ...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-(-)-

-(-|-)-



==

http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/celldivision/images/metaphase.gif

==
o_____

o....>|<
o....>|<
o-----------------------o
o....>|<
o....>|<
o_____

==

,,,,,,,,,,,,-(-|-)-

-(-|-)-

Okay, I think i'll shove in, here too, perhaps to comically relieve??

I like this, so maybe adding some more variety can help it to grow.:o

(don' know, if others already to this, but highlight what you read)

don' know what to say, really, 'cept cooooll.. =)

- a link between all people - a single line of communication between all members of our species

seen as our individual minds
:)

comically
highlights
where Cambridge precision scientific

..............highlights
...........................highlights
..........highlights
...................highlights

........................;).

need Cambridge sillybilly arty

..............footlights
...........................footlights
..........footlights
...................footlights

........................:mad:


. . . . . . . . .http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Rr3R_uGIS0U8jM:http://www.trendyprincess.com/photogallery/CHM-GLD11%2520MASKS.jpg


to ensure that one

gets the girl,
grows hair in the netherlands
and

learns the 'ying tong song' from tangerines 1 with peach defects.reference ::
1 ADDF::crazy~feet

Acknowledgements
Father Christmas

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so everyone's a (smeggin') critic now!

quote=qinkin;571472
where
highlights ;).
need
footlights.:mad:


. . . . . . . . .http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Rr3R_uGIS0U8jM:http://www.trendyprincess.com/photogallery/CHM-GLD11%2520MASKS.jpg

A tennis ball
.........._._
..................\ -> back surface (posterior) of tennis ball (hidden behind anterior)
.........|........|.....
.|......|........|
.|......|_._._. -> cross section through centre of tennis ball
..\
....\._._ -> front (anterior) surface of tennis ball (looking straight at it)


............. . . . . . .. . . . . . .. ...\
. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . ....<)........|
. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . ..........(>..|
. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . ...._
. .. . . . . .. . . . . . . . .../..\
. . . . . . . ..|.<)...(>
. . . . . . . ...............|
. . . . . . . ..|..___.....
..........(>
.|.<)
.|..\_/
. \

----1-------2-------3-------

---1---
convex (motion towards -> the shape extends towards us at the equator)
smiling face on outside of tennis ball (observable only - externally)

---2---
precursor face on central plane of the tennis ball (observable from only within)
(effectively hidden)

---3---
convex (motion towards -> the shape extends towards us at the equator)
the frowning face is observable (as above internally)

--- Next ---

imagine the frowning face examined from the external aspect

---(i)---We'll see the eversion - in the eyes
(> <)
I can see the eversion in my wifes' eyes (particularly left)

(more to follow)

---(ii)---
This leads into the eversion which ADDF::Tracy has (other context -
though unsurprisingly -
- the same
in her feet)
and also in Karl Pribram's wife (author)

---(iii)---
The famous images of -
a great artist seeing through the grand illusion (of mind).

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:-wV-sFlQXv-DGM:http://www.nzine.co.nz/images/articles/picasso_lg.jpg

and

(A)
> invasive (pointy heads)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:nOv3VXy0DTcbPM:http://www.whispawillowkennels.com/images/german%2520shepherd%2520male%2520Tyson%2520stacked %2520-%2520whispawillowkennels.jpg

(B)
( duality (I call these squidgy heads just before being kicked :p)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KfymILFA-MbHWM:http://www.pugs.nl/images/pug0507.jpg


->-

(C)
> invasive attraction for female concave dualities (within tribe, and then outside of tribe)
and then outside of species

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:SpdS2LMEOWKTKM:http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2007/cat_show/cat_show_01.jpg

~aka~

good for nothing
- deeply deserving of a sound bite upon their fullsome round and hairy seats of boingyness.

how does an honest convex structure say no a flighty concave sprite ?
-<- rhetorical
(we must all bear our demons with grace)

-*-

note to self

(and bite the big round boingy things when no-one's looking)

Sin ! Feyn menn Schwingers

Sin
like the knobbly wind

???

"for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles"

Julian Seymour 'Butts' Schwinger posited a phenomenon of electron-positron pairs (whilst watching a rather rude film) known as the Schwinger effect.
:eek:

dirty old man !'quit with the bangin' mighty Feyn !'

http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:y0wkV9e6FIQJ:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Feynmann_Diagram_Coulomb.svg/300px-Feynmann_Diagram_Coulomb.svg.png

' boing boing boing !
canny' help it Schwing bro'

'Sinner - any advice for Feyn boi ?'

'A song ?'

'Kickin' boom shakka lakka'

'Pick a song
- Mighty'


{pause}


http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/feynman.jpg

........DOE !

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/tomonaga.jpg

.....(AHA) a deer ???

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/schwinger.jpg

(HMMM) A? FeM?ALE DeeR?

'Schwing dude'

'yeah Sinner mon'

'(sad face) didny work Schwing'

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:9Sz6Gph8ZpXw3M:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Feynman-Diagram.svg/800px-Feynman-Diagram.svg.png

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QGFqYjCOf9dkWM:http://www.fauskes.net/media/pgftikzexamples/PNG/feynman-diagram.png

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:cNz-g031CrrIEM:http://www-sldnt.slac.stanford.edu/alr/images/photon_exch.jpg

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:uXZxhWcOWgL0_M:http://plus.maths.org/issue21/features/strings/feynman1.gif

boom shakka lakka
lakka boom

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:cNz-g031CrrIEM:http://www-sldnt.slac.stanford.edu/alr/images/photon_exch.jpg

boom

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yPpnme0JJOhngM:http://homepage.mac.com/stevepur/physics/matter/matter41.gif

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZH5cTi13243PyM:http://www.pd.infn.it/%7Edorigo/zzdecay.jpg

(he's off again)

:-)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QGFqYjCOf9dkWM:http://www.fauskes.net/media/pgftikzexamples/PNG/feynman-diagram.png

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:cNz-g031CrrIEM:http://www-sldnt.slac.stanford.edu/alr/images/photon_exch.jpg


dubstar
disgraceful
'not so manic now'

Okay, I think i'll shove in, here too, perhaps to comically relieve??
I like this, so maybe adding some more variety can help it to grow.:o
(don' know, if others already to this, but highlight what you read)
don' know what to say, really, 'cept cooooll.. =)
:)


highlights

and now for the real :-) post

---1---
reference :: ADDF::nova


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/-gaia--1.gif

---2---
as in high light

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:SrwoBITZdcCSoM:http://serc.carleton.edu/images/usingdata/nasaimages/sun-illustration2.gif

---3---
thrown in a high and low light (doughnut holes) (in green)

http://www.ivy-rose.co.uk/Topics/Cell_Structures/Metaphase_cIvyRose.jpg


---4---

_ _ _ _ _ o
|
| -> 90 degree angle separating two planes in three dimensions
| -> orthogonal ------------orthogonal--------orthogonal-----
|
o

_ _ _ _ _(((:))))
|
|
|
|
o

---*---

dualling parrats
in meta phase-ic
orthogonal hot n' spacey action

'in the blue corner
Percy'
'and in the red corner
Pecker'
'let the penis fencing commence'
orthogonal
duality

---\ /

- meta -

---/ \
para?gonal virtue al duality ???



\_/
---
/_\

<- reality (eversion)

> | <

==

>| <
> |<
> | <
> | <
> | <
-> a pulse in the Lorentzian butterfly

==

(i)
from previously

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/tick-follows-tock.gif

(ii)
from previously
http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/sb_camsci/th_PlusMinus.gif

(overlaid phage and omega-3 fatty acid structures)

ding ding !
context:boxing
dong dong !
context:bonobo
ding;) dong:p !
context:bonbon

:-)

Next post
geometric eversion using only the 'karma sutra'

muahahahahaaa !

muahahahahaaaaaa !!!

muuu !

muuuuuu !!!

miaowww !!!

on yer way

fluffsThe Pete Tong lecture series
<table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" width="90%"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="50">
</td> <td valign="middle" width="450"> "The career of a young theoretical physicist consists of treating the harmonic oscillator in ever-increasing levels of abstraction." -- Sidney Coleman.
</td> <td valign="top">
</td></tr></tbody></table>from

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:MWjOFPNOM04-fM:http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/dt281/qft/cern.jpeg

The harmonic oscillator is
( where a picture >=1000<=8 character words )

...:p............;)...

...:p;)...boink

...:p............;)...

boink.......:p;)...

...:p............;)...

you feel the abstraction (baby) ?put duality at the core of our Universe

and

whadd' ???

??? dya'

??? expect ??? ... boink

The Sting of Poverty
-- a new look at privation economics


why are there problems in the world?

Ans:

because these people -> o-|<


have something that these people want
.
.........................................|
.........................................v

.........................................o
.............................................|
..........................................--
..............................................^
where everything that
...
...o
.....|
...--.........and.........o-|<
..^
...
are fighting for is shown in red
...
...
...() this -> x .................x <- that
.....|...............................this ->x
...--.........and.........()-|< are fighting for is shown in red
..^...................this -> x
and that -> x
not forgetting this ------------------> x
...
...
and where none of that and only this matters
x marks the spot
...
...
..(x)
.....|
...--.........and.........(x)-|< are fighting for is shown in red
..^...
...
and where the next obvious question'd be
... ... ... and so why are we doing this ?
...
...
....................$ £ E Y
...................us for what we really are
...
..................................bad
...
[ doesn't even begin to
...
... begin to
...
... ... begin to cover it ]

---1---
wars start when people want something proddable (a sausage, pool of black liquid, lump of gold or llama)

---2---
why don't people become warmongers with age, intelligence and wisdom ?
Alfred Nobel - scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, author and pacifist

---3---
why do rich people give away all of their money ?
Warren Buffett is also a noted philanthropist and in 2006, he announced a plan to give away his entire fortune to charity.
... ... ... Next post
:-)
or ??? thereabouts
Un-/-Happy NeuroT versus endocrine hormones
(and the effect of the environment on happiness)

including (first thoughts)

b-endorphin [morphine class]
dopamine [cocaine class]

serotonin [light/dark cycle]
melatonin

oxytocin [HPA - Hypothalamic Pituitary Axis]
prolactin

thyroid hormone [speed/slow]

noradrenaline [sympathetic/parasympathetic Nervous system]
acetylcholine

testosterone [steroid hormone]
oestrogen/progesterone

cool post sb :)
so everyone's a (smeggin') critic now!

quote=qinkin;571472
where
highlights ;).
need
footlights.:mad:


. . . . . . . . .http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Rr3R_uGIS0U8jM:http://www.trendyprincess.com/photogallery/CHM-GLD11%2520MASKS.jpg

A tennis ball
.........._._
..................\ -> back surface (posterior) of tennis ball (hidden behind anterior)
.........|........|.....
.|......|........|
.|......|_._._. -> cross section through centre of tennis ball
..\
....\._._ -> front (anterior) surface of tennis ball (looking straight at it)


............. . . . . . .. . . . . . .. ...\
. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . ....<)........|
. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . ..........(>..|
. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . ...._
. .. . . . . .. . . . . . . . .../..\
. . . . . . . ..|.<)...(>
. . . . . . . ...............|
. . . . . . . ..|..___.....
..........(>
.|.<)
.|..\_/
. \

----1-------2-------3-------

---1---
convex (motion towards -> the shape extends towards us at the equator)
smiling face on outside of tennis ball (observable only - externally)

---2---
precursor face on central plane of the tennis ball (observable from only within)
(effectively hidden)

---3---
convex (motion towards -> the shape extends towards us at the equator)
the frowning face is observable (as above internally)

--- Next ---

imagine the frowning face examined from the external aspect

---(i)---We'll see the eversion - in the eyes
(> <)
I can see the eversion in my wifes' eyes (particularly left)

(more to follow)

---(ii)---
This leads into the eversion which ADDF::Tracy has (other context -
though unsurprisingly -
- the same
in her feet)
and also in Karl Pribram's wife (author)

---(iii)---
The famous images of -
a great artist seeing through the grand illusion (of mind).

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:-wV-sFlQXv-DGM:http://www.nzine.co.nz/images/articles/picasso_lg.jpg

and

(A)
> invasive (pointy heads)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:nOv3VXy0DTcbPM:http://www.whispawillowkennels.com/images/german%2520shepherd%2520male%2520Tyson%2520stacked %2520-%2520whispawillowkennels.jpg

(B)
( duality (I call these squidgy heads just before being kicked :p)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KfymILFA-MbHWM:http://www.pugs.nl/images/pug0507.jpg


->-

(C)
> invasive attraction for female concave dualities (within tribe, and then outside of tribe)
and then outside of species

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:SpdS2LMEOWKTKM:http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2007/cat_show/cat_show_01.jpg

~aka~


how does an honest convex structure say no a flighty concave sprite ?
-<- rhetorical
(we must all bear our demons with grace)

-*-

note to self

(and bite the big round boingy things when no-one's looking)

Sin ! Feyn menn Schwingers

Sin
like the knobbly wind

???

"for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles"

Julian Seymour 'Butts' Schwinger posited a phenomenon of electron-positron pairs (whilst watching a rather rude film) known as the Schwinger effect.
:eek:

'quit with the bangin' mighty Feyn !'

http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:y0wkV9e6FIQJ:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Feynmann_Diagram_Coulomb.svg/300px-Feynmann_Diagram_Coulomb.svg.png

' boing boing boing !
canny' help it Schwing bro'

'Sinner - any advice for Feyn boi ?'

'A song ?'

'Kickin' boom shakka lakka'

'Pick a song
- Mighty'


{pause}


http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/feynman.jpg

........DOE !

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/tomonaga.jpg

.....(AHA) a deer ???

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/schwinger.jpg

(HMMM) A? FeM?ALE DeeR?

'Schwing dude'

'yeah Sinner mon'

'(sad face) didny work Schwing'

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:9Sz6Gph8ZpXw3M:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Feynman-Diagram.svg/800px-Feynman-Diagram.svg.png

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QGFqYjCOf9dkWM:http://www.fauskes.net/media/pgftikzexamples/PNG/feynman-diagram.png

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:cNz-g031CrrIEM:http://www-sldnt.slac.stanford.edu/alr/images/photon_exch.jpg

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:uXZxhWcOWgL0_M:http://plus.maths.org/issue21/features/strings/feynman1.gif

boom shakka lakka
lakka boom

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:cNz-g031CrrIEM:http://www-sldnt.slac.stanford.edu/alr/images/photon_exch.jpg

boom

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yPpnme0JJOhngM:http://homepage.mac.com/stevepur/physics/matter/matter41.gif

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZH5cTi13243PyM:http://www.pd.infn.it/%7Edorigo/zzdecay.jpg

(he's off again)

:-)

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context = yaow = virtual Regent Street :cool:

demsa' daa rules

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--- there is only virtual ---

iii++ Hills Road

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikachu
... ... ...that Pikachu forage for berries. In lieu of climbing trees,[6] they use small electrical bolts to release the berries from the tree, roasting them at the same time. For already fallen berries they use their electricity to roast and tenderize them. They are said to store electricity in their cheeks,[4] and by simply squeezing them they can discharge sparks, bolts, or other forms of electricity.


pi~QK~aaa!

dirty reality is a dirty illusion
it's all internal


once in -
who wants in into that other
dirty
false external
internal
legacy
rrreality?

nobody

Pikachu are often found in forests,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-diamond_3-0">[4]</sup> plains, and occasionally near mountains, islands, and electrical sources (such as power plants), on most continents throughout the world.seriously!!!:D

did yousay pi?? yum for sizzled berry pie?? nah, chocolate nut! ermpumpkin -->:p

ahyes, hmrmrmr.. pika-choo! bless me

deprivation economics!? peace