Alright ive been taking adderall xr 20mg for the month of March, but then had to discontinue it because my parents don't believe in ADD.

When you go to a doctor, and ask for a comparison between ADDERALL and VYVANESE, will he/she say that vyvanese can cause severe sideffects such as mood swings increased suicidal thoughts and all that bullcrap just like ADDERALL?

Because the thing with closeminded people, my parents, they only look at the sideffects and say, "Hey you could die on this med! Why not live with ADD rather than die?" Despite taking Adderall and how it helped me, they still would prefer to tell me that suicide is just psychological and fake along with all my ADD symptoms. Would doctors say that vyvanese is really severe or more along the lines of smooth with almost no sideffects?

My personal experience over the past couple of weeks transitioning from Vyvanse 70mg once a day to Adderall 30mg X 2 is that Adderall makes me a lot more aggressive...I literally wanted to run straight through the wall in rage last night to get my neighbors to shut up cause it was like 5am and I hadn't been to bed yet. It was the type of rage that I felt in my muscles like I HAD to do it...there was no other choice. Luckily for me I live with a very loving boyfriend who managed to keep me from doing anything. Vyvanse was never that bad for me, but it had a bigger toll on my other emotions...sadness, crying, psycotically chipper...It's how I got my Bipolar II diagnoses.

Everyone has different experiences and honestly the side effects just give the majority/worst case scenerio...I try not to look at them because it messes with my anxiety. (Which reminded me my OCD was alot worse on the Vyvanse than it is with the Adderall...but the Adderall isn't providing me the coverage the Vyvanse did either....so I've got an incomplete opinion)

My mother has the same ideals about adhd/suicide or anything else psychological...I just happen to have the luxury of looking at my mom and saying Hey...I would rather live 20 years being happy than 40 years of pure misery and disappointment.Alright ive been taking adderall xr 20mg for the month of March, but then had to discontinue it because my parents don't believe in ADD.

When you go to a doctor, and ask for a comparison between ADDERALL and VYVANESE, will he/she say that vyvanese can cause severe sideffects such as mood swings increased suicidal thoughts and all that bullcrap just like ADDERALL?

Because the thing with closeminded people, my parents, they only look at the sideffects and say, "Hey you could die on this med! Why not live with ADD rather than die?" Despite taking Adderall and how it helped me, they still would prefer to tell me that suicide is just psychological and fake along with all my ADD symptoms. Would doctors say that vyvanese is really severe or more along the lines of smooth with almost no sideffects?

Oh so it is garunteed that we are all going to die by 50 from heart attacks because of these stimulants... sweet. Thats okay, I don't think I'll be alive in 2009...

Alright ive been taking adderall xr 20mg for the month of March, but then had to discontinue it because my parents don't believe in ADD.

When you go to a doctor, and ask for a comparison between ADDERALL and VYVANESE, will he/she say that vyvanese can cause severe sideffects such as mood swings increased suicidal thoughts and all that bullcrap just like ADDERALL?

Because the thing with closeminded people, my parents, they only look at the sideffects and say, "Hey you could die on this med! Why not live with ADD rather than die?" Despite taking Adderall and how it helped me, they still would prefer to tell me that suicide is just psychological and fake along with all my ADD symptoms. Would doctors say that vyvanese is really severe or more along the lines of smooth with almost no sideffects?

All stimulant based treatments have that labeled as a warning by the FDA. The FDA, in this case, goes a bit over board in my opinion with the warnings and it's schedule placment (II). Here is some info to clarify.



A 15 member advisory committee recommended (by a vote of 8-7) to the FDA that a black box be added to the labeling of stimulants used to treat ADHD. Concern about serious cardiovascular side effects is mainly due to the report of a small number of sudden deaths in kids and adults who were taking stimulants.

The biggest problem with this proposal is … There is no good scientific evidence that incidence of these very serious events is any greater in patients taking stimulants than in the general population.



A reanalysis of all the facts last year by the FDA found no convincing evidence of serious risk.



We have 70 years of research and clinical experience with stimulants. Taken under medical supervision, any risk of serious side effects is extremely small. I feel confident that Shire, McNeil, and other pharmaceutical companies that market stimulant medications will keep us informed of any new information or cause for concern. In the meantime, I continue to believe these medications are safe.

Hmm your prob either rolling your eyes at the info in red or are comforted by it. I can see both sides: make money and not tell of serious condition that may develop or risk being sued for way more than you might have made.

Also note its not like the drugs being used vary in a huge way (Desooxn may be the exception with the methyl molecule added) and they have been studied/used for quite a bit of time.

If your parents are that concerned they should be willing to do some research into the subject and not just go with what the media puts out. Although their beliefs, unacceptance of the condition, and refusing treatment for you (provided your underage) is their right as american citizens. If they are willing to do some research, good, if not good luck dealing with your condition and please avoid the illegal route of self medicating as you may cause more harm than good. :cool:

References:

http://www.askdrjones.com/2006/02/15/no-cause-for-alarm-adhd-meds-have-long-record-of-safety/

http://www.shire.com/shire/NewsAndMedia/PressReleases/showShirePress.jsp?ref=528&tn=3&m1=8&m2=13

self-medicating is the bomb tho! I mean its either that or wishing you were dead... no wait you want to be dead anyway because you are a failure using d.r.u.g.s.

self-medicating is the bomb tho! I mean its either that or wishing you were dead... no wait you want to be dead anyway because you are a failure using d.r.u.g.s.

You mistook what I said and it seems your assuming I'm speaking against it with no experience. Not going in to a personal matter, it is something I wouldn't personally recommend and being diagnosed earlier might have helped it avoid it all.

Enjoy the info below:



Does treatment of ADHD with stimulants increase the risk of substance abuse?

This question has been extensively researched by Dr. Wilens and Dr. Biederman at Harvard Medical School Department of Psychiatry. There were two significant findings.

First - Untreated ADHD doubles the risk of alcohol and/or recreational drug abuse.

Second - Treatment of ADHD with stimulants cuts the risk in half, equal to the general population.

As with other measures of functioning medical treatment of ADHD doesn't eliminate problems but levels the playing field.

I don't shun those who do use illegal drugs but those who do them, not for a high or recreationally, but to solve a medical problem that could have solved ealier is sad.

This should clarify for you (even if I mistook your response).

Reference: http://www.askdrjones.com/2005/12/10/stimulants-and-drug-abuse/

Naw I'm just entertaining myself, I know what you meant. Peace bro. no worries.

Whne my daughter was put Vyvanese, my doc told me it is more like adderal than the other meds but lasts longer and with less side effects. Melissa

My doctor told me that Vyvanse is a lot less "severe" than Adderall-XR...
He made it seem like Adderall has far worse side effects, and that Vyvanse is a lot smoother and less intense.

:rolleyes:

But he also said that, for the first two weeks on Vyvanse, I should expect some side effects like: mood swings, stomach pain, insomnia, decreased appetite, weight loss, etc... but all of that should fade after the first couple weeks.

:confused:

I don't know. I've heard a lot more complaints about Vyvanse than Adderall...so I'm actually scared to try it. Adderall-XR didn't produce any undesirable side effects for me, so I trust it... but Vyvanse is still pretty new, so I'm a little uncertain. :(


I think it's safe to say that ALL stimulants have potential side effects... you just have to find what works best for you.

:confused:

Damn, its just that its so annoying having my parents tamper with my medication...they tried to make me believe that the entire time I was taking adderall i was taking a placebo pill when it was full of amphetamines dispite what they said.

Just so damn frustrated at every day life, can't be the equality of a normal being which basically forces me into escaping problems with weed, LSD(which i have never tried) or alcohol. My arguments with my parents have gotten so bad that I left 2 holes in the wall because of how they disbelieve almost all mental disorders. Other than that I tried to overdose on IRON from centrimax but taking 20 pills of that did not work effectively.

My parents have never "believed in ADD" either... I wasn't diagnosed until last year, and I'm 22. :rolleyes: My mom didn't really believe that I had ADHD until she started working for a doctor who specializes in ADHD in children. I think he's the one who's helped her understand the problems that it can really cause...even in adulthood. My college experience has been a freaking disaster, and now I think she understands why.

my parents, they only look at the sideffects and say, "Hey you could die on this med! Why not live with ADD rather than die?"
^Yeah, my mom is overly cautious, too. (Actually, so am I.) Taking medication really makes me nervous... I'm kind of a health nut, so I hate the idea of trying to fix myself with drugs. But eventually, after everything has fallen apart, you reach a point where you have to ask yourself whether it's worth it to spend your life struggling. (Personally, I would rather be efficient, happy, and productive for a solid 50 years than live to be 90 and spend my entire life struggling to get by.)


Hopefully you can convince your parents that it's a real condition, and that you'd be better off giving medication another shot. You should just tell them that you can always stop taking it, but you just want to give it a trial run to see if it helps.

...Or maybe you should go to a psychiatrist who can explain to them that it does exist.

Good luck!! :)

Bad experience with psychiatrist= bad view towards psychiatrists in my mom's perspective. Basically some insurance people came to her work, told her that 'psychiatrists are trying just to take ur money, dont go to them." When I say narrow minded, trust me, there is no shot in hell that my parents will believe in ADD even if u gave them 93424924725258247 worth of cash.

What I'm thinking is, if I don't bring straight A's next quarter on my report cards and if i don't get a score above 1700 points on the SAT(logic and reasoning exam- got a bad score previously), then I will stop bugging them with ADD. Its a little extreme, but I've got a lot of drive when I can use it properly.

Bad experience with psychiatrist= bad view towards psychiatrists in my mom's perspective. Basically some insurance people came to her work, told her that 'psychiatrists are trying just to take ur money, dont go to them." When I say narrow minded, trust me, there is no shot in hell that my parents will believe in ADD even if u gave them 93424924725258247 worth of cash.

Scientologist followers? :p

Hate to hear that man, if your old enough you can go to a doc without their consent and be seen, diagnosed, and treated. Sure its a back handed method but it will help you overall. I'd do it :cool: