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lambertg
04-13-08, 10:13 AM
Hi there

Has anyone used Cogmed ? Has it worked? Have you seen any changes after using it?

FrazzleDazzle
04-13-08, 04:19 PM
Hi There! My son's neuropsych recommended it for him, and I have done some reading up on it, watching forum posts, and have talked to a couple of providers and participants. It has some solid research behind it, and it really looks promising in dealing with the the working memory part of the executive functions. It takes 5 weeks to complete. For the cost and the great results that most get from it, it looks VERY promising.

Right above your post, you will see a lineup of "tools." One of them is the search function with a triangle to the right of it. Click on that, and enter CogMed into the field. There have been a couple of threads on CogMed that you might find useful for your questions. If you need help with that, post right here, and welcome to the forums!

mlgift
07-18-08, 09:19 AM
My son (10) is in the middle of cogmed training now. He is making progress on the exercises, but I have not seen any changes in his behavior as of yet.

FrazzleDazzle
07-19-08, 09:00 PM
MLgift, CogMed affecting behaviour is a benefit of CogMed I'm not familiar with. What sorts of behaviour results are you and the provider looking for in your son, I'm curious.

How's he liking the work on it? Best of luck through the rest of the program! :-)

mlgift
07-28-08, 02:19 PM
The results of the program should include retaining instructions and information which would benefit our daily home life. (chores, etc.) Also, when school starts up again the whole ordeal of getting himself together should be easier. Everything seems to need to be repeated. Even the tasks that are required every single day. Having a board with "things to do" is helpful......if he remembers to look at the board. Any improvement will be worth it. We have a week left on the program. We are crossing our fingers.

FrazzleDazzle
07-28-08, 06:46 PM
Mlgift, those are things my son needs work with as well. I understand what you meant now by "behavior." Yes, those things are all part of working memory. I'm excited to hear how he does with those things post CogMed. I have heard many say that even during the program they are noticing help in those areas. Please excuse so many questions, but is your son benefitting from any improvements along the way?

Good for him for getting near the end. It's a tough haul, I'm very proud of your guy! :-)

kokopelli517
07-30-08, 06:02 PM
My daughter is in her first week of CogMed training. I am her "training assistant" which means I am with her through the training. One of the things her "coach" aka her psychiatrist told us to do was after the exercises make note of what she is doing in her head to remember, manipulate, and use the information she needs to to complete the tasks. If nothing else, already that has been eye opening regarding what kind of learner she is.

My daughter is what they call "gifted" however she has very similar issues as mlgift described. Directions are often lost, she misses class notes so has a hard time doing homework because she doesn't have the necessary "tools" to accomplish it. It's quite funny reading mlgift describe his/her childs behavior because he/she could be describing my daughter.

I will try to remember to post as we continue through the training as to her progress, etc.

Fingers crossed that it works as it's a LOT of cash to throw down if it doesn't!

FrazzleDazzle
07-30-08, 06:16 PM
Welcome to the boards Kokopelli! I hope the best for daughter (and you) during the program. Mlgift describes my son too! :-) Keep us posted on how she goes, good or bad at the end. Lots of us have spent lots 'o money on things that didn't work, so your updates will be very valuable either way. Thanks for sharing!

kokopelli517
07-30-08, 07:37 PM
Thanks for the welcome! I'll definitely keep you posted.

It's funny.......money really doesn't matter when it comes to trying to help your children, right?! I would eat ramen noodles for the rest of my life if it meant I might be able to help her just a little bit!

I'll keep you all posted.

:)

kokopelli517
08-11-08, 11:07 AM
OK.......so......my daughter just finished week 2 of cogmed training. According to the training page, she is improving which is good. I have not seen a change in daily life as yet, but didn't expect to so soon.

The novelty of the program is definitely wearing off for her.....the first week she actually looked forward to doing the exercises.....this past week it has been more of a chore. However, starting today different exercises will be "unlocked" and some of the ones she's been doing for two weeks will be gone so she is looking forward to the new exercises. I can say that is a real positive of the program. It isn't exactly the same every week so it's not a monotonous as it could be.

I'll keep you posted.

karl_marx
08-13-08, 10:49 AM
Also after you complete this is there any evidence that it will be permanent?

kokopelli517
08-14-08, 08:27 AM
Also after you complete this is there any evidence that it will be permanent?

The program has not been around long enough to show a "permanent" increase, however they do continue to follow the subjects and thus far it has been "permanent" with those in the original studies. I guess only time will tell.

karl_marx
08-15-08, 02:54 PM
Thanks for your post. I have one more question though, does it INCREASE your working memory or, does it just increase it's efficiency?

kokopelli517
08-22-08, 09:15 AM
Supposedly it actually increases you working memory. But I can't way for sure. Sorry.........I have a link that my daughters Dr. gave me to the actual research data (not the cogmed site) if I can find it I'll post it.

javahed
12-08-08, 11:34 AM
we have just finished 5 weeks of cogmed in virginia with my 9 yo son, in my opinion this was a total waste of $1500. It was "sold" to us a by a psych. Dr. Butnik from richmond. and I mean sold to us, it was apparent 15 min's in that this was the direction he was going. I asked for references and/or referrals from parents he had worked with that could pass along positive feedback, but none avail, due to "confidentiality" issues he said...but I can tell you if it worked for us, we would be more than happy to provide feedback to others. that was my first clue as to what we were getting into, but just as many of you have done I'm sure, we decided to try it, as we all do for our children, looking for that magic answer that might work. so, while annoying to my child for 5 weeks while he did this, and he did do it just as instructed, and did improve his "scores"...as anyone would, it's simply a memory game, I can confidently tell you it does not help behavior AT ALL! These guys are stealing from parents without any real success stories. Just look around the web, you will find nothing significant. Save your hard earned cash on this one!!

lostsoul
12-28-08, 06:31 AM
Hi, I'm about 2 days from finishing the Cogmed program. I am a 24 yr male and most of the students (with disabilities) in my university did this program.

They say that sometimes it can take months for you to notice some of the effects and improvements. I can't comment on that now, but for short term I did find it made a difference.

I was visually weak as stated in my assessment. This helped me a lot to focus in and concentrate better. Recognition of things such as grammar, spelling, etc... while reading has become better. I'm not sure about working memory. Things have improved but that might be because I'm able to concentrate better now. I do forget less things now in work or otherwise (saved me a few trips running back home lol).

It made a difference and is noticeable, but that difference isn't much. It might just take more time. My optometrist's son also did the program and he was very satisfied with it.

I hope this helps!

rek101
09-22-12, 10:47 AM
I tried it for a couple of sessions and it was 1. Insanely boring. I mean the exact same eight puzzles over and over again (I realize it isn't for fun, but it was boring to the point of unbearable). 2. Very stressful. I had flashbacks to doing what I was worst at during school (I realize that might mean it's targeting the right areas, but my coach was the husband of the psychologist and a real estate broker so this isn't the kind of person you want "coaching" you through a stressful time).

When I asked for references, I did check both of them and they both seemed very pleased that they did it. Strangely it didn't really help them with their primary life tasks, but more with little things like speaking more clearly or remembering names.

I don't think a program that helps you with peripheral (borderline novelty) tasks is worth 1500 dollars. Cogmed is for people already doing what they want to do functioning reasonably well who want to milk out a few extra questions on an SAT or remember their keys or be a bit calmer around his wife and kids.

Those are great things and important things; but they are not 1500 dollar things. They are 299 software things.


A NOTE ABOUT WORKING MEMORY TRAINING IMHO:

Working memory is a lot like RAM. It doesn't teach you to use the program or give you systems to learn how to learn the program, but when you have the right programs running, they run smoother. It's like good diet and exercise. It won't get you into medical school, but you'll be a lot more pleasant to be around and better off exercising. If you combine it with something your'e committed to like schooling or tutoring or your job, it maximizes your performance. If you're hoping it gets you to a level of performance that gets you a better grade or job, it's a horrible plan.

In other words, we should invest more money in tutoring from people familiar with helping us; not software. I don't think the psychologists help nearly as much as the tutors who sit with us or our kids one on one and really teach us how to learn when we learn differently. It's knowing how to learn and make progress that ADHD stops us from doing. When someone shows us a constructive way to direct our energy, we tend to do a fantastic job at following those steps.

I stopped doing cogmed because the woman who was pushing it was just pushing it too hard and not really acknowledging the importance of those other parts of the equation. She made it seem as important as tutoring. It simply isn't. I was so disturbed by how easily corrupted the average LD specialist can be by a new source of income, I just stopped trusting her. If I had more money or if I was in a different place, I'd revisit it, but this is like a 2 on the 1 to 10 scale of ways to improve your life. A tutor or coach is probably an 8. To put them in the same sentence is an insult to human potential.

ConcertaParent
09-22-12, 02:54 PM
The recent independent studies of brain training such as Cogmed have been disappointing. While all the brain training I've tried for my ADHD child such as Lumosity and AttenGo seems to have been a waste of time and/or money, at least I didn't waste $1,500.

The professionals that push interventions such as Cogmed, Fast ForWord, sensory integration training, chiropractic skull manipulation, hyperbaric oxygen chamber, etc. probably believe that they are of benefit to their desperate clients, but the independent studies show otherwise.
I stopped doing cogmed because the woman who was pushing it was just pushing it too hard and not really acknowledging the importance of those other parts of the equation. She made it seem as important as tutoring. It simply isn't. I was so disturbed by how easily corrupted the average LD specialist can be by a new source of income, I just stopped trusting her.

Xenophanes
09-24-12, 01:04 PM
The recent independent studies of brain training such as Cogmed have been disappointing. While all the brain training I've tried for my ADHD child such as Lumosity and AttenGo seems to have been a waste of time and/or money, at least I didn't waste $1,500.

The professionals that push interventions such as Cogmed, Fast ForWord, sensory integration training, chiropractic skull manipulation, hyperbaric oxygen chamber, etc. probably believe that they are of benefit to their desperate clients, but the independent studies show otherwise.

Got a link to these independent studies? I'd be interested.

Drewbacca
09-25-12, 01:48 AM
Got a link to these independent studies? I'd be interested.

This thread (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125254) would be a good start.

nicegrl
11-04-12, 08:14 PM
There are some serious problems with the research that Cogmed uses to promote its program. Before spending a lot of money on it, you may want to read an unbiased 2012 research article published by the American Psychological Association, which covers a variety of working memory training programs, including Cogmed. Here's the conclusion: "....the present literature provides insufficient evidence of its efficacy." Full article available at: http://www.psychology.gatech.edu/renglelab/Publications/2011/Shipstead_Psych%20Bul.pdf

DonSaintClair
11-29-12, 07:04 PM
Has anybody been able to get insurance that has mental health coverage to pay for CogMed?