Is there a way we can see who chooses to give us negative points in our reputation?
I think if negative points are given, we have a right to know who left them.

It's rude to leave bad comments and not say who you are IMO.

I can appreciate the appeal of anonymity, but I think if you're going to give neg feedback then suck it up and wear your name with it.

I can appreciate the appeal of anonymity, but I think if you're going to give neg feedback then suck it up and wear your name with it.

True, i agree. If someone is gonna give negative feedback, then what purpose did it serve if nobody knows who, or even why it was done.

Maybe it was offensive, or rude. But how can we know about it, and even use that knowledge to prevent us from doing it again in the future. Perhaps we didnt know it was offensive, or perphaps a person just wanted to give negative feedbak for no apperant reason.

just my 2cents.

and I thought it was bad... when I just got the gray box when someone didn't know how to give points....it would be nice to see who is giving points of any kind, whether it's just good points or bad points.

Although... it might be more trouble than it's worth in the long run. Almost like running to Mommy screaming that someone hates me. Another problem at home, but I won't go into that.

I think you should be able to see both. Everyone likes to hear good things. and if you are going to say something negative the person should know. Not that I even have any points......:D

that seems fair,

you should know who left good or bad, who took the trouble to comment.

Totally agreed. Giving negative points without owning it is chicken sh*t, in my opinion. The one and only time I ever gave anyone a negative point, I signed it.

Sandy

Is there a way we can see who chooses to give us negative points in our reputation?
I think if negative points are given, we have a right to know who left them.

It's rude to leave bad comments and not say who you are IMO.

There was another thread about this not so long ago, but of course I don't remember which one it was. I seem to remember Andrew saying that there isn't any way to set it up so that we can see who left rep points - either negative or positive. It would mean more to me to be able to know who responded to me. So I still don't know who gave me the negative point from that discussion.

Well, I'm in the dark again. I just now figured out the whole reputation point thing. And I agree if someone leaves neg. it should say, it does on ebay! God I rhymed :). I had been just leaving the thank you for answers I thought were good etc.

You are an ADHD Forum with ADHD people....why would you start a thread like this which pretty much dares people to give you negative anonymous reps?

You are an ADHD Forum with ADHD people....why would you start a thread like this which pretty much dares people to give you negative anonymous reps?
that's rediculous..if that's your first though you don't have much faith in the other ADD'ers here...

Did it make you want to leave me negative points when you read the first post?

I think you should be able to see both. Everyone likes to hear good things. and if you are going to say something negative the person should know. Not that I even have any points......:D
yes you do :) I have given you lots and I can't give you any more unitl I have it around:p :D

I seem to remember Andrew saying that there isn't any way to set it up so that we can see who left rep points - either negative or positive..

you could simply type your name after the comment...if it's policy it'll be easy..if no name is left, it should be removed

eg

"I think your post are a waste of the mods time" Tracy H

Although i can understand everyone wanting to see who gave them negative points, there is also the argument that for it to be a fair and truely honest system, and if we want people to feel comfortable using things like the point system they need be able to do so without fear of retribution.

I wasn't aware of the point system before now but if i had a problem with someone and i felt comfortable expressing it i would say so in the thread at the time.

I think the point system should be abolished. Does anyone here read someone's post and then check the rep points to make sure its worth listening to? I certainly don't! I believe that it turns this forum into a popularity contest.

Although i can understand everyone wanting to see who gave them negative points, there is also the argument that for it to be a fair and truely honest system, and if we want people to feel comfortable using things like the point system they need be able to do so without fear of retribution.

Can fairness & honesty exists without transparency & accountability?

Within the veil of anonymity, abuse and sabotage of the system is available.

You are an ADHD Forum with ADHD people....why would you start a thread like this which pretty much dares people to give you negative anonymous reps?

Are you suggesting that ADD'ers are immature and would simply give neg rep for ****s & giggles?

My issue is not with me getting negative points. My gripe is a friend simply posted a reply in a thread I started in support, and the people who didn't like my original post obviously got annoyed that anyone would have the cheek to agree, and they gave them 2 negative rep points, simply for saying what they thought.

I think that was pathetic too. Why not just slap them on mine too??? I only got one.

Crikey, it was my issue and the petty readers left anonymous bad comments on the person who agreed with me...

and if what Tara suggested is how she thinks we all think..I guess I'm simply now
DARING you all to leave ME anonymous negative reputation, because you all have ADHD and know no better..and it's fun:p

http://www.addforums.com/forums/images/buttons/reputation.gif
It's like waving a red flag to a bull I guess
http://www.specificsoftware.com/images/redflag.gif

and if what Tara suggested is how she thinks we all think..I guess I'm simply now DARING you all to leave ME anonymous negative reputation, because you all have ADHD and know no better..and it's fun:p


I think Tara was just being silly, i don't think that one sentence can really be used to infer her feelings about the entire adhd population :P (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong tara)


And Driver. I will be honest here. If i had a problem with you, or Tracey, or any of the other forum regulars i would be scared to say anything to you guys about it. I may be chicken s**t like Sandy said but there, thats the truth.

Its not that i don't think you are all really nice and give great advice, because i really value this forum and the sense of community, however, it is very easy to get intimidated when someone starts getting heated.

What i meant by my last post was that if you want a person's rep points to be reflective of the opinion of the forum users as a whole then you need to make sure everyone will use them, otherwise its a biased opinion and a biased system.Only the people who are confident enough to put their name on the end will do so!

Also Driver i completely agree with you about the abuse and sabotage of the system and i am aware that in the sense of a forum what i talked about in the previous paragraph can't really exist with out abuse and sabotage. This is why i think the rep system should simply be abolished. Unless we have some sort of system whereby your reason for giving a negative, or positive point is assessed for validity there is no way we can really stop it.

Tracy, people are weird. Get used to it. :-)

The thread that Lunacie was referring to, Andrew actually came on board and stated that there is no way of us knowing who left the rep. Some of us mentioned it would be a nice touch to leave our names in the nice comment.

Andrew also stated that if anyone left a rep message that was rude, inflammatory, mean, or otherwise yucky, to let the admin know. THEY have the power to find out who the yucky one is.

I can not believe anyone left you a negative rep point.
People are weird, I need to get used to it.

In case people are wondering what the reputation system is, please check the FAQ link at the top of the forums, or click here: http://www.addforums.com/forums/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rep

And Driver. I will be honest here. If i had a problem with you, or Tracey, or any of the other forum regulars i would be scared to say anything to you guys about it. I may be chicken s**t like Sandy said but there, thats the truth.that's fair enough :) I can understand that totally. I try and avoid conflict at all costs. I just move right along, and the good thing is, I have a shocking memory, so it's soon forgotten anyway..

I just think if people have trouble with a post, leave their point, and their name, so we can go back and see how we offended/upset that person, and possibly it may prevent it from happening again...

I mean, how pathetic is this ....

The Phantom Repper 04-18-08 05:59 AM gives me a negative today because they can :)

LOL...crikey...LOL

I was half kidding...but come on...if somebody tells you not to do something...doesn't that make you want to do it?

I was half kidding...but come on...if somebody tells you not to do something...doesn't that make you want to do it?
Just because it makes me want to do, doesn't mean I will :p

The Phantom Repper? How creative! I wish I knew who it was so I could give them some rep points.

that would incite arguments though.

Negative feedback can be constructive.

I think it is better to keep the veil of anonymity, in case people would be too deterred by a bandwagon backlash on their opinions. More vocal and frequent posters can get small followings of people which can be prone to harassing anyone who might go against one of the entrenched forum superstars.

Leave it to moderators and administrators to sort out people maliciously abusing the negative feedback, while allowing it to continue as it is now. If people are artificially inhibited about critiquing others, the whole system should be considered broken.

I for one realize it's one's reputation on an online forum, and there are bigger things in life to stress about. :eek:

If some one uses the system unfairly PM administration the specifics - they do not know it is a problem unless they are told.

I do not think the system leaves one a choice as to weather or not your user name is viewable to the member you are giving points to - if Andrew says he can find out which member leaves what rep points then I would go to him with suspicion of possible abuse . . .if I am going to bother getting upset you can bet your boots i would be contacting the people who can help set the record straight -

Personally I can't please every one so the fact I annoy some is no real surprise but I am rarely trying to be offensive or rude {good thing too huh} -

I admit I give more credence to those who have the gonads to be up front and tell me in PM {or open post if it doesn't throw the thread off topic}


I haven't a problem being up front - if I think some one has been unjustly rude or mean I have more problems being overly direct.


No just because some one talks about giving negative points doesn't make me want to give them the accusation that I would be so childish simply because I have ADD , is another matter all together. I won't bother simply because your post is a reflection of who you are having little to nothing to do with me . . .

Personally I do all I can to avoid dealing in the negative - I use the rep system to give positive points - - the PM system for personal problems, the reply box for my thoughts. . .

I got some feedback that just reads - 'ignorant' I'm fairly sure who left it but there's no way I can find out for sure?

It's my only negative so far so I guess I can't complain too much :P I'd just like to know which part of my post was ignorant and why the person thinks it is.

http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=580352#post580352 <-- the 'ignorant' post :D

I got some feedback that just reads - 'ignorant' I'm fairly sure who left it but there's no way I can find out for sure?

It's my only negative so far so I guess I can't complain too much :P I'd just like to know which part of my post was ignorant and why the person thinks it is.

http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=580352#post580352 <-- the 'ignorant' post :D
It wasn't me :D

I know Trace thanks anyway though :D

If you receive an insulting comment in your feedback/rep points, please contact Admin.

If you receive an insulting comment in your feedback/rep points, please contact Admin.

I don't think the two negative reps I've gotten were insulting enough to get the admins involved. It's more like they have an opportunity to say something they believe is true without having to defend it. The last one I got was "not true" - heck, I don't even know which part of my post they are calling untrue?

I can't ask the person what they meant, and I can't discuss it with them. I still think the rep points suck because we don't know who left them.

I don't leave any myself because I just know I would forget to sign my name (it automatically says who left the comment on the other forum I visit), and if I want to leave something positive I just click on the "thanks" button.

I make a point of leaving my name ;)

Lunacie, I got that same one too! "not true" like somebody had a heyday with us non-pharm people again. The post was entirely true too, but probably not to their liking. Which point was it they thought was untrue? Ugh.

What classifies a comment as insulting? I hate to bother the admin, but stuff like that is insulting and slamming if they don't clarify more when they leave a message.

I don't like the rep system either. I think it's insulting our intelligence. We're intelligent enough to decide which posts we want to read. But since the rep system isn't going anywhere I think a good solution would be to leave it as an anonymous thing but require the repper to leave a comment. That way someone can give constructive criticism without fear of "retribution" and it would be harder to abuse the rep system if someone is required to leave a comment saying why they left a negative reputation.

what is a GREY rep point?

I don't like the rep system either. I think it's insulting our intelligence. We're intelligent enough to decide which posts we want to read. But since the rep system isn't going anywhere I think a good solution would be to leave it as an anonymous thing but require the repper to leave a comment. That way someone can give constructive criticism without fear of "retribution" and it would be harder to abuse the rep system if someone is required to leave a comment saying why they left a negative reputation.

The current system requires you to leave a comment for neg feedback; of course there is no way to determine if said feedback was constructive or not.

what is a GREY rep point?

Tracy, LadyLark was kind enough to ask this question here: :)

http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51039&highlight=rep

I'm wondering how many people really even use the feedback system, especially to gauge if they want to read someones post or not. I read all the post on whichever subject interest me or I go to realtime and read post that pop up. There are certain people that I just like what they write better as I either relate, they make me laugh (which I always need), or they give awsome advice. I do the thankyou thing. After finding out about this I looked at mine and it was positive "so far", I have never looked at someone elses though, I'll have to see how to do that. After this first post I started leaving positives but now forgot about it again! I just wondering if most even know it exists, take the time to find and look at their own, or look at anyone elses. I spend way too much time on this board but I am new and its just so supportive and very interesting. But that does bug me that people would use something like that to just be mean.

so..off to rep my grey repper :) LOL
thanks XsC :)
and ditto texas Miss :)

The grim repper has returned?

The grim repper has returned?

no :) I just got a funny-cool comment who left me rep points but it was grey..and I was confused ;)
I saw your link and now I know why ..

thanks SGG :D

one thing I read somewhere in the FAQ... sometimes you get the gray box if someone doesn't know how to use the rep points properly.

I try not to give negative rep points.. unless someone is being really offbase or abusive and rather than causing a big blowout..will let them know that way.
I suppose I could just report them instead... but that takes it to an all new territory.

Mary, if a newbie gives rep points ( + or - ) (it had better have been + SGG LOL)
they dont have enough reps themselves to give points, so they show as grey ;)

Thanks to XSC for that link and advice

ahhhhhhhhhhhh... then I've gotten 2 of those in the last month.. but didn't worry about them ... but that's me. Take the punches along with the hugs... ;) Life goes on! :)

In case you all are wondering, there is a FAQ section which details the REP system...as well as the now voluminous set of threads detailing how all this works.

The rep system is not going away, so please hand out rep points if you want (or not). Abusers of the system will be dealt with accordingly.

no :) I just got a funny-cool comment who left me rep points but it was grey..and I was confused ;)
I saw your link and now I know why ..

thanks SGG :D

Awwwww, I didn't have any rep power? I feel like the unpopular kid in school. I swear, it was a (+)rep. :D

The current system requires you to leave a comment for neg feedback; of course there is no way to determine if said feedback was constructive or not.
Oh, thanks. I didn't realize that. I left a positive point once without writing a comment so I just assumed that people could leave a negative point without a comment.

Scary, you can get more power by simply by giving rep to posts you like, which is a nice way to feel good, and help someone else feel good at the same time.

I think this sort of thing is an abuse of the rep system. This is one I will report, and I will report ever follow up one too :)

http://img.skitch.com/20080518-tn8a5muc139x1cbw4xt4qag43n.jpg
It's pointless....literally ..LOL...

I think if we are given no other option but to deal with a useless rep system (clearly speaking of my own opinion), then we should have the ability to find out who sent rude negatives without signing.

Then we can rally others into an angry mob and head out with torches and pitchforks and then... well I guess we could leave THEM a useless, pointless and stupid negative for even stevens.

However then we get another, and more mob action ensues, and then, we enlist the help of a hacker, find out who the hooligan is and send them a box with a dead dandelion in it.

Now if that doesn't strike fear in the heart of every hooligan and put a stop to the anonymous negative reps I don't know what will.

OR, Andrew and other mods could call it on account of 'poor sportsmanship' and do away with it. I can't help feel like it's become one of these things where the mods are saying "well we don't care what you think we CAN instill this system and WILL so na na na Na Na"...

From what I've seen, and honest to god I've given very little thought to it, the rep system as a whole, has a bad rep.

I'm sorry, but "how's that workin for you?"

Backatcha DeloresMelon.....LOL!

It all seems redundant to me.

First: we have the ability to actually respond to a post in the thread itself or start a new thread about the issue.

Second: we have the ability to send a PM or an email with a comment to the poster off-thread.

Third: we can click on the "Thank you for your post" button if we liked the post for any reason at all.

Fourth: we can send a message through the rep comment system, and from what I've been reading a lot of people don't give much merit to those comments since they are generally anonymous.



I asked in another thread if it would be possible to do away with the rep system and instead add a second button that would allow posters to simply click either the one that posts a "Thank you for your post/I agree with you" -or- "I disagree/What the heck were you thinking?" at the bottom of the posts.

Thank you to Frazzle for causing my recent enlightenment..... I could go about writing all the negatives I want, and signing anyone's name I want.

Unless the receiver of said negative reports it, no one will be the wiser that it was me.

Before anyone goes getting any ideas, I just sent my one and only, never to be sent again rep point to Frazzle just to see exactly how it worked.

If the rep system is something you insist on keeping, can it be written that the sender's name is automatically assigned? I'm sure that's been asked but like I said, I haven't spent much time dwelling on this.

How is that abuse? It's not like the person called you a rude or offensive name. So just because you don't like the comment it's abuse? This whole rep system is a pain!!! People get upset no matter what the comment left behind is. I just don't understand how this system benefits this community.

I think this sort of thing is an abuse of the rep system. This is one I will report, and I will report ever follow up one too :)

http://img.skitch.com/20080518-tn8a5muc139x1cbw4xt4qag43n.jpg
It's pointless....literally ..LOL...

The positive rep. points are great and do something to encourage participation, quality posts, etc.


If it's a general "I disagree with you" similar to the Thank You messages that appear on the screen, then perhaps the system could be set up to show either "Thanks, I agree/that was useful" or "What the heck were you thinking?" notes at the bottom of the posts.

Andrew? Is that possible?

Lunacie's idea makes sense to me. Especially for the impulsive or LD members you referred to: http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=592613&posted=1#post592613

We should be able to learn to handle criticism starting here on a friendly, supportive ADDF. :cool:

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Before this turns into an Admin-witch hunt, I hope those of you that have neglected to contact admin via private message understand that despite our inability to respond to each public complaint thread (ADDers here are vocal, for sure), we do listen to what our members tell us, and we do appreciate the feedback.

We strive to communicate announcements of changes to our systems when appropriate...and should additional changes be made to the reputation system, we'll make every attempt to share the details with you.