This was the talk when I was growing up in the late 60's early 70's. Then we had a warming spell and the hysteria started. I have always been interested in weather and science. It totally astounds me people can claim various things with out proof. I know down under you folks had some really unusual weather last year.

This is really a good article to read.

The Full article can be found at The Australian news website
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html


Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008
THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com (http://www.spaceweather.com/), where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.

What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

newfdog,

"It totally astounds me people can claim various things without proof."

Oh dear, who upset you? :)

Personally I don't always need proof, or want it. Sometimes it's just enough for me to get through the day. Whether you like it or not, some people need to be left with their illusions because for some it may be all that is keeping them alive.

My father in law is obsessed with all of this. I keep telling him that whatever happens, happens. That worrying over it is only going to keep his ulcers coming back. I'm not going to sit and fret over it...I'm going to live life as it was intended to be lived.

The earth is on a cycle... as much as we are.. it has to go through it all....then start over again.

newfdog,

"It totally astounds me people can claim various things without proof."

Oh dear, who upset you? :)

Personally I don't always need proof, or want it. Sometimes it's just enough for me to get through the day. Whether you like it or not, some people need to be left with their illusions because for some it may be all that is keeping them alive.


No one really upset me, except here in the US we are bombarded by the media about Global Warming and the gloom and doom facing mankind.

I can understand your statement about illusions. I have had some bubbles of mine popped in the past

WOW! I cannot believe there's actually a group of people out there that sees so called 'global warming' for what it is.

My profs are constantly talking about global warming. It's funny to ask a few loaded questions and see them totally start floundering.

WOW! I cannot believe there's actually a group of people out there that sees so called 'global warming' for what it is.

My profs are constantly talking about global warming. It's funny to ask a few loaded questions and see them totally start floundering.

There are many more than you think!

Here is a website I goto everyday. Of course he is biased to the iceage theory, but he does give some really good links.
http://www.iceagenow.com/

You may get a few really good links to really get them back stepping. Let me know

Good stuff!


I just posted the article on another forum where a bunch of people believe in global warming. This should be interesting.

No one really upset me, except here in the US we are bombarded by the media about Global Warming and the gloom and doom facing mankind.

I can understand your statement about illusions. I have had some bubbles of mine popped in the past

I know what you mean about being bombarded by the media about Global Warming and other doom and gloom things. It's not that I'm burying my head in the sand, it's just that I can't do anything about these things so why should I worry about them when I have enough trouble just staying alive.

Sorry, feeling a bit crappy. I shouldn't post when I feel like this.

I hope it's true that it isn't as bad as they are trying to make out.

I totally agree with you Blue ROse. It bugs me how people seem to think that us humans are responsible for weather fluctuations when there has always been weather changes.

Rose, I understand where you are coming from. I get tired of gloom and doom stuff, no wonder so many people are cranky. I guess maybe thas why one of my favorite phrases now is "and your point is?" And no, Rose, that was NOT directed at you ;)

WOW! I cannot believe there's actually a group of people out there that sees so called 'global warming' for what it is.

My profs are constantly talking about global warming. It's funny to ask a few loaded questions and see them totally start floundering.

Count me in! It's so warm where I live, we're expecting a possibility of snow over the weekend and on Monday. I can't wait until this warming finally happens. ;)

If things ARE as bad as they are made out to be, there needs to be bigger changes.
I'm sick of all these little things that are supposed to help, like, use less plastic bags : / It's rubbish...if you want to make a difference, how 'bout BAN all plastic bags forever??

It's not up to us to do little things every day which might help a tiny bit, only a few people actually do it and so it's futile. Governments need to sort things out and take extreme measures to counter the damage to our world.

How 'bout replace ALL cars with ones that don't run on petrol?? BIG CHANGES!

Anyway, at the end of the day, there's not much you can do about it...so keep dreaming in the world of illusions where it's all good : D

-1--LE/AQ--- 0-30°
Common interpretation: ca. 10,500 BC to 8000 BC

The major event at this time was an ancient global warming
~s (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060705-noahs-ark_2.html)~
Bible scholars think that Noah built his ark somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago.

-2--CA/CA--- 30-60°
ca. 8126 BC and ended in ca. 5970 BC

or maybe
The major event at this time was an ancient global warming
~s (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060705-noahs-ark_2.html)~
Bible scholars think that Noah built his ark somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago.

-3--GE/SA--- 60-90°
ca. 5970 BC -> ca. 3814 BC

-4--TA/SC--- 90-120°
ca. 3814 BC -> ca. 1658 BC

-5--AR/LI--- 120-150°
ca. 1658 BC and ended in ca. AD 498

-6--PI/VI--- 150-180°
ca. AD 1 and ends in ca. AD 2150

-7--AQ/LE--- 180/0° ->-
ca. kinda now-ish and for a coupla' thousand years or so


AQ/LE
is
LE/AQ
backwards


so how about ~ 26,000 year (6 x ~2 x 2000 years) cycles of gradual
cold ->|-> hot ->|-> cold transitions

with

| -> half of the time we're moving away from a hot thing

* followed by

| -> half of the time we're moving towards a hot thing

where moving towards or away from may relate more to a kinda' 'objective' speed of the planet

importantly though there's a transition involved in both cases
~13000 years ago Noah's ark
|
v
thaw

and now

~13000 years after Noah's ark
|
v
the opposite of thaw

~by the way~

place an IMHO at all points where you feel the need to scream
'PROVE IT'
at me

and otherwise stated all material was obtained from wikiP

I love the cold.
I love Iceland.
I love snow.
I love mountains.
I hate heat.
I love breathing the air in Winter.
I love hairy animals.

I hate heat.

if any of this post :-) is true -
- might I be permitted to suggest that it's not actually my fault.

Snowballs.

~s (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VOtU0FzgFPUC&pg=PA10&dq=epicanthic+fold+snow&output=html&sig=f6FD27LCmIkw4Eh_oc5SVyFATbY)~
epicanthic fold

Heaven (that'd be)

chillin' in some cave +1 woman
and
the Internet

... ... ... an end to this current madness.

Some people buy clothes for the labels they carry.
Some people buy cars for the label they carry.

Some people bear labels

'automaton - please ridicule'

clothes,cars
meaningless

all that matters is within the mind
- our natural virtual reality generator

OK Then

Sounds like you did your research, who am I to question?:)

“Global Warming” is a misnomer. The correct term is “Global Climate Change”.
It took me ten seconds to find an article rebuking that maniac:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/24/2225980.htm?section=australia (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/24/2225980.htm?section=australia)
If you’re like me and want just the meaty points:


David Karoly from <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Melbourne</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType>'s <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Earth Sciences</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> is outraged.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
"This is not science. This is misinterpretation or misrepresentation and mis-communication of the factors that influence global temperature," he said.<o:p></o:p>
"It appears to be an opinion of Phil Chapman and he's welcome to his opinion, but in terms of climate variations and an approaching ice age, he is sadly misinformed.<o:p></o:p>
"Yes, the climate system did cool from January 2007 to January 2008 quite dramatically. That cooling was associated with changes in the ocean temperatures in the Pacific, a well known phenomenon, the El Nino to La Nina switch. It isn't unprecedented."<o:p></o:p>
But he says it is not due to sunspot activity.<o:p></o:p>
"Sunspot variations do not lead to the sorts of temperature variations seen from January 2007 to 2008," he said.<o:p></o:p>
"They don't lead to those large temperature variations, even on an 11-year sunspot cycle.<o:p></o:p>
"And so in terms of increasing greenhouse gases, we can also see that effect because the most recent La Nina, the current La Nina, is warmer than earlier La Nina episodes of the same strength.<o:p></o:p>

The FACTS remain, 90% of the worlds scientists believe that global climate change is caused by humans. If you don’t want to do anything about it, don’t. There’s no need to justify not doing anything though. Just say that you really don’t care.

I care.

~and~

I'm still getting a Corvette.

I have absolutely no idea about anything -
the voices however are generally quite opinionated.

:-)

-*-

this arrived yesterday -
++ has just given it to me

(a little stunned to find the answer so soon after wondering it out loud)

New Scientist 26 april 08 p14


eg ~s (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19826534.300-physicists-respond-to-dark-matter-discovery.html) here~
(not the entire story, not the picture)

In June the Earth moves through space around 30% faster than in December.

(the basis to our seasons - the UV light which drives plants to bloom relates to the speed of the planet transduced by cogs down into the structures of the planet)

- so the idea is that when we pedal our bicycle faster -
so do we travel quicker

we need to suck up the energy of a faster moving Earth -
- and we do this by having a Summer -

animals (come out of hibernation
and feel more alive)
and
plants (blossom, bloom)


sun -> orbits galactic centre at 232 km/s
earth -> orbits sun at 30 km/s


---ALSO---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age
26000 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
The Sun orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy at a distance of approximately 26,000 light-years from the galactic center,
->- light'd take 26 000 years to make the trip.

so if we observe Summer/Winter in relation to differences in speed of the Earth travelling around the sun
- what'd happen as the solar system itself rotated around galactic centre ?

naturally we'd see a regular pattern of alteration in speed of the planet -
- based around a cycle -
similar to Summer/Winter

- gradual changes just as seen in Summer and Winter -
though with a defined start and end point -
- which it feels to me as though the ADDer can sense

so if we observe Summer/Winter in relation to differences in speed of the Earth travelling around the sun
- what'd happen as the solar system itself rotated around galactic centre ?

- with the observation that speed of motion
relates to energy transduced into the object under scrutiny

->- in summer the planet moves 30% faster ->-
this relates to the interaction between sun and earth

and

and a rotation of 26000 years / 2 -> 13000 years

where 232/30 ~ 8
where Summer -> Winter represents maybe a 10 degree range

~s (http://www.ace.mmu.ac.uk/eae/Climate/Younger/Temperature_Patterns.html)~
Temperature Patterns Even during the winter, sunlight near the equator is strong and temperatures rarely fall below 25°C during any time of the year. This part of the world is called the tropics.


The coldest temperatures occur in the polar regions near the North and South Poles. Here, the Sun never rises very high above the horizon, even in summer, and in winter it is not seen at all, for up to six months. Temperatures for most of the year are below freezing and have been known to fall to below -80°C.


Temperatures in most other places in the world vary quite a lot between winter and summer. In parts of Russia and the United States for example, temperatures in summer can rise to 30°C, but fall to -30°C in winter.



In more temperate climates like the that of the British Isles, there is a difference between summer and winter but it is not as large. If we consider the average temperature of both day and night,



... ... the difference between average winter and average summer temperature in much of the British Isles is only 12°C.


~ca.~ -5°C -> +5°C

where 232/30 ~ 8
[I]where Summer -> Winter represents maybe a 10 degree range.

where ??? 8x5 == 40 ???

In parts of Russia and the United States for example, temperatures in summer can rise to 30°C, but fall to -30°C in winter.

I care.

~and~

I'm still getting a Corvette.

ROFL!!!!

We need more emoticons!!! *jumping up and down having a red fit*

The FACTS remain, 90% of the worlds scientists believe that global climate change is caused by humans. If you don’t want to do anything about it, don’t. There’s no need to justify not doing anything though. Just say that you really don’t care.

both camps are correct.

So -
imagine that you're holding an elastic band -
now gently pull it apart using both hands -
at some point something'll give and the elastic band'll fly into the air and land on the ground
- without any stored energy contained within.


elastic band
+energy
->
expands
+too much energy
->
pings
->
lands on the ground without any energy contained within

(what follows - a kinda' simplification to make the point)

elastic band (Earth's temperature or energetic level (see previous post - speed of planet))
+energy (from motion around the galactic centre - similar in principle to the sun)
->
expands
+too much energy (man contributes to this by pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere - it must stop immediately)
(water vapour crystallizes - water vapour is a greenhouse gas)
->
pings (triggers an Ice age)
->
lands on the ground without any energy contained within

(repeats the cycle)

kinetics of the emergent event

Thanks to ADDF::Stabile
a previous discussion here

roughly fixed -
the event itself though has a certain amount of wobble associated with its exact point (in time) of occurrence.
The point is that there's a cycle and we can alter the entry into the Ice Age by stopping greenhouse gas emission -
immediately -
- and thereafter we have time to alter our world so that the changes won't be particularly bad

- so - I've never really thought about any of this before -
- but the argument which I appear to be making is for an unconditional stop in production of greenhouse gases -
or we speed a transition which'll reflect a mass demise.

I've just fitted snow tyres to my bicycle :-)

- best think of something similar for your lil' red corvette
not so little
blue might be a better choice of colour


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:sNqCGrYNhBsB1M:http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/05/yeti_truck.jpg

::caution::

may dent yur 0-60

(might make it before Christmas if you start now -
units km/hr
'course)

duh!!!

miles/hr
->-
ha ha!!

60 miles/hr
no furrreakinn' way.

check out a 1 bhp stallion over the metal bucket :-)
- presumably the poop can be used as fuel.

-*-

Personally - I think that it's no more than we deserve (all of this) -
look at what man is doing to other man in the name of the profit motive.

Money is a formalization of the behaviour of Alzheimerous gorillas on PCP
(the drug)

not the Sony Corporation thing which features a game in which one drives around in a stolen red sportscar selling PCP

(jolly good game it is too)

:-)

I enjoyed reading all that. Might have to go over it again thought for it to sink in. But it does help someone like me to have it laid out and explained, the alternative being all the news reports and their one liner doom warnings making it sound like the world is coming to an end and that we are all too stupid in our material lives to do anything about it.

Good thread, newfdog. Thanks.

Things will change, but the world won't end. Yeah, water will rise, Florida will be the swamp that it should be again, crops will fail in some places, and flourish in others. But change is the very nature of life. Just because the past 200 years have been relatively stable doesn't mean it will be that way forever.

Aha, the old canard of the "ice age" versus "global warming". If the melting of Greenland's glaciers intensifies, it could shut down the thermohaline oceanic global conveyor belt, which will mean that the UK and Western Europe will no longer be as cozy in winter (the influx of cool fresh surface water could cause changes in density stratification and choke off the Gulf stream, among other effects). It might also produce droughts in the U.S. Midwest region, causing food prices to skyrocket. Africa's recurrent drought situation (a consequence of the ITCZ) will possibly get worse. As warming continues, the hydrological cycle will be more intense (more hurricanes, etc.). With the amount of carbon we're putting into the system, I doubt that an "Ice Age" will last very long. Past ice ages were caused by orbital forcing, and the CO2 increase was a kind of positive feedback effect. Basically, these orbital changes occur on cycles of ~23K (precession), ~41K (obliquity), and ~100K(eccentricity), otherwise known as the Milankovitch cycles. Our situation is the reverse, becuase we're changing the CO2 first, not the Earth's orbit. The situation is way more complicated than could ever be discussed on a forum. There are a lot of factors that are very uncertain, such as the amount of CH4 (methane) that will be put into the system throught the thawing/melting of permafrost, the creation of new wetlands (which produce CH4 via bacteria), and the release of sea floor methane hydrate deposits (quite a lot of carbon). Most importantly, the albedo effect could be changed by the rapid melting of ice sheets (which normally reflect radiation back into space). If you want to understand the basic theory behind climate change, you simply can't do so by watching the news or any other oil sponsored propaganda. Go to the library instead. I recommend articles and books by David Archer and James Hansen for starters. Also check out some of the skeptics who are actual scientists (and not just oil company consultants or paid amateur journalists). It's best to get an understanding of the basic science (climatology, meteorology, oceanography, chemistry, physics) and then delve into both sides of the literature. But most people aren't really that interested. Britney and Paris and Obama and Hillary are more interesting to Americans than a bunch of charts, graphs, and equations. Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but I feel the average person won't really care until things get beyond the point of no return.

I'd really like to know more about how China will fare. What will happen to their food supply? The bottom line is, when food, potable water, and fuel start running out, it won't take much to push us into WWIII. But why do we think we're any better than the trilobites or dinosaurs? They never invented atomic bombs or VX gas. Seriously, I don't think the human species itself is in much more danger than roaches or rats. Our intelligence combined with our capacity for ruthlessness and brutality makes us pretty resilient, don't you think? What's really at stake is the quality of life of billions of people, and not the survival of the species itself.

Just my 2 cents.

The world will end for a lot of people (consider future generations). I think that's where the humor lies. This planet is far better at sustaining itself than we give it credit for. Disase and disaster is the earth's antibody .

Ok, showing my ignorance here....

20 years ago when I was studying this stuff in college, even the professors at my little 92% Democrat, Kremlin-on-the-Crum college were still not sure that global warming was real, for the sole reason that our experience of climate on this planet is such a blip on the screen compared to what we know of historic climate change from multiple sources. But then a few years ago I thought that the data from the Antarctic ice core samples (looking, I believe, at the amount of African dust that settled in snow in Antarctica, because that tells us how dry Africa was, and that tells us something about climate) showed that the current global temperature increases were nowhere near even a single standard deviation off the norm. Aren't we witnessing an unprecedented rate of increase?

Maybe I'm stupid. That's just what I thought tipped it over the edge, even for my former professors (who were uncharacteristically politically incorrect for challenging the idea of global warming 20 years ago). Those reports kinda impressed me, anyway.

And don't get me wrong. The hubster's building a Triumph TR6 with 238 horses... I get that cars can be fun. Doesn't mean that you need that to be your daily driver, though...

I drive a VW (an old one). If I had my druthers (and it could fit all the horse gear plus four people) I'd get a Mini Cooper. I LOVE those little Mini Coopers. Plus theyz fun!

When dealing with one of the most complex systems we know of, gathering and interpreting the data required to make intelligent observations about our global climate is a massive effort. It's important to remember that no single study or test can prove or disprove the theories currently being considered. The best we can do is look at as much data as we can, evaluate it as reasonably as we can, and see how well those data fit the models that our theories predict.

It's also extremely important to remember that the study of global climate change concerns itself with long term change. A particularly cold winter or late spring does not invalidate the overall theory. If arctic ice formations grew for one season, it does not invalidate the overall theory. The system we are talking about is so massive that it is entirely reasonable for small changes within sections of that system to behave in a manner that is inconsistent with the whole.

That said, it is certain that very little good will come of our combustion based economies and their ever increasing pollution output. I am of the opinion that we are too late to be able to stop the major effects this will have on our lives and the lives of our children. Already China has passed the United States as the largest polluter and emitter of CO2 on the planet, and their growth rate is phenomenal. And because China has adopted a national mindset that polluting is their right as a developing country, a sort of twisted manifest destiny, they will not be slowing down any time soon.

Co2 is going to get worse yet when India starts selling more cars. I just read where they are rolling out a vehicle for around 2500.00 and they claim that makes it affordable for most families

In regards to the trends, yes a year or two of colder than normal dos not constitute a change. That said, depending on the data one uses, 1998 was the warmest on record and we have been cooling since, however we are still warmer today than the beginning of last century.

The sunspot activity also makes a certain amount of sense in the grand scheme of things. I guess the bottom line is there are so many variables it would be hard to forecast with any large degree of certainty now.

Now that I have said all that, in no way amd I saying we are not doing damage to the earth, there is no question we are and it needs to change whether the climate changes or not.

Oh yeah, wheat reserves in the US are at a 60 year low and rice is in short supply in asia

The Antarctic ice core samples have a timescale of about 800K years, and Greenland has a comparable 10^5 scale glacial record (it may be a bit shorter). As Sandy mentioned, aeolian dust from Africa is part of the evidence that can be obtained, and it can tell us about climate severity. Most of the temperature data actually comes from oxygen isotope fractionation studies. Oxygen 16 and 18 are evaporated and precipitated at different rates, and also exchange with water and CO2 at different rates dependent on temperature. The ratios of the isotopes in ice cores can be used to figure out temperatures, and also give some idea of ice volume and therefore sea level. In the past few decades, oxygen and carbon isotopes (C13 vs. C12) have been used to obtain temperature and CO2 concentration records from marine calcite deposits going back millions of years, to the time before the ice sheets developed (when Earth was in a much warmer state). We do know that the climate changes naturally, mostly as a result of orbital cycling and associated feedbacks. It is also known that greenhouse gases play a major role in warming episodes. Many people who debate climate change focus mainly on the gases and tend not to remember that we are also clear cutting forests, poisoning the sea with fertilizer runoff, expanding monoculture crops, and developing as much real estate as we can get our greedy little hands on. All of these things will impact the climate system.

http://www.lib.mcg.edu/edu/eshuphysio/program/section3/3ch3/3ch3img/page9.jpg

so Q'd be the global warming before the cooling to R

the

(ping
before the slack
before the tauten)

elastic band
cycle
(from above)

ooops

physio / section 3 / 3 ch 3 / 3 ch 3 img / page 3+3+ 3-1.jpg
(http://www.lib.mcg.edu/edu/eshuphysio/program/section3/3ch3/3ch3img/page8.jpg)
http://www.lib.mcg.edu/edu/eshuphysio/program/section3/3ch3/3ch3img/page8.jpg

physio / section 3 / 3 ch 3 / 3 ch 3 img / page 3+3+3 .jpg (http://www.lib.mcg.edu/edu/eshuphysio/program/section3/3ch3/3ch3img/page9.jpg)

http://www.lib.mcg.edu/edu/eshuphysio/program/section3/3ch3/3ch3img/page9.jpg

Milankovitch theories
(http://www.answers.com/topic/milankovitch-cycles?cat=technology)Not until "Variations in the earths orbit: pace...- - ..\./\./.. - - -...maker of the ice ages"
in Science (http://www.answers.com/topic/science-magazine-2), 1976,
did the theory attain its present state.

http://www.ynhh.org/cardiac/heart/interior_heart_anatomy.jpg

(-> <->

2 everted halves (left and right sides of heart) which together operate (a unitary duality of duals) - to generate the heart
- and which operates by pulsatile jolt of electrical current triggered from the sinoatrial node -
- the current flowing around the surface of the heart carrying muscular contraction.

The property of the heart reflects the structures behaviour to its pulsatile electrical burst -
- the heart beat

and

point of this post

(to link into the point above about the point at which an Ice age starts)

the heart beat - despite being pretty regular -
- has quite some wobble -
and a comparison of a 150 bpm versus 30 bpm heart -
'd show (strictly relatively speaking)
- markedly different values on the x axis (time in seconds) -
for the period between dip in base-line at 0mV and reaching tipping point at Q.

???maybe 1/2 a square below

-> 3 squares (plucked out of the air) -
-> given different usage of the heart by the chappy whose thoracic cavity houses the pump.

http://www.lib.mcg.edu/edu/eshuphysio/program/section3/3ch3/3ch3img/page9.jpg

point of this post

maybe 1/2 a square above
->
3 squares (plucked out of the air)
->
1/10th of a square (plucked out of the air)

... ... ... before the Ice age kicks off

where the onset relates to

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:YcplLRrlWihFOM:http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/73241668.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DViewImages%26k%3D2%26d% 3D17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A64CF3E5C04F8EEB29 26D5502F4A3FD04B

I have a deep hatred of all things oil,
of course including car
and maybe I now know why.

Life died to help you so too to, to do -
- sounds vaguely religious.

- any axis of evil is balanced on oil -

taking in this line

oil ->control-> money ->control-> government ->control-> law ->-control->- good people

so called evil is propped up by the

oil sector .-> financial sector..->.. political sector...->...legal sector

in effect money buys stuff -
there isn't any stuff (proddable) worth having though (only the mind matters) -
- and the mind is im->material

and so
- since there's nothing much worth having
- so -
money can only maintain its power by preventing us from opting out -
- by preventing access to basic needs unless we've plenty of money

money is now a stick
not a carrot

and the 4 sectors above are at the heart of the corruption in our society

A little more working out the pattern and

maybe 1/2 a square above
->
3 squares (plucked out of the air)
->
1/4
->
1/8
->
1/16th square ->->- given further pollution

A complete and unilateral stop to usage of all fossil fuels
:-)

if only for the pain that all of those stupid rich self-appointed powerful people will feel -
- the thought makes me smile

- immediate sequestration of the funds of all people who're currently bloated - from over indulgently profiteering from oil

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ksBTesrx1bff_M:http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/events-images/079_rice_tanker2050081722-8461.jpg
:-)

~s (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/events-images/079_rice_tanker2050081722-8461.jpg)~

conflict of interests ???

nah!

money can't buy you love -
can buy you plenty of hate

feel the hate dearies -

feel
the
hate

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/BodyPlanes.jpg/250px-BodyPlanes.jpg

these are perfect images of different perspectives on the brain
- also
frontal sagittal - shiva, third eye, opening

---ALSO---

coronal at the brain stem-
temporal lobe (as in epilepsy) == disc (below - as in accretion)

http://cass.ucsd.edu/public/tutorial/images/mw.jpg
tranverse from above the head
like looking down on a tree


---ALSO---

the central dopaminergic circuit hitting PFC

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Accretion_disk.jpg/180px-Accretion_disk.jpg

'... .... alternating strips of water running eastward or westward, a bit like parallel moving sidewalks'
[more notes below]

http://scrippsnews.ucsd.edu/img/scrippsnews/Lrg08_04_Uga_eqrec.jpg

north pole

|....................--<--
|....................\
|....................\-->--
|............................/
|....................--<--
|....................\
|....................\-->--
|............................/

south pole

north pole .....o
...................---
|...................|
|................../ \

south pole

http://www.maturespine.com/images/dermatomes.gif

the same pattern is observed when we compare the planet's
E-W W-E zig zagging currents -
and our own bodies.

- staring at these help to ground the idea

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oRJ1n7pSo7gJ:www.retail-alliance.com/Portals/0/FINGERPRINT.jpg

at ((((())))) ()

we
>-> >-<

into the thin eg green line along the front aspect of arm of man by dermatome above.

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[more notes]

newscientist/striped-currents-revealed-in-the-oceans (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19826524.700-mysterious-striped-currents-revealed-in-the-oceans.html?feedId=fundamentals_rss20)

'... ... ... but when the team analysed the data, it emerged that something else had been subtly influencing the buoys' paths. It turned out that there were alternating strips of water running eastward or westward, a bit like parallel moving sidewalks. Niiler recalls his reaction: "My God, we've never seen these before.'
~s~ scripps.ucsd.edu/ID=902
(http://scrippsnews.ucsd.edu/Releases/?releaseID=902)

http://scrippsnews.ucsd.edu/img/scrippsnews/Lrg08_04_Uga_eqrec.jpg

A worldwide crisscrossing pattern of ocean current striations has been revealed through measurements made by drifting buoys over a period of more than 20 years and through satellite readings of ocean velocity. Blue bands represent westward-flowing currents and red bands indicate eastward-flowing currents that move at roughly 1 centimeter per second. Image courtesy of Nikolai Maximenko, University of Hawaii.

place (hu)man and planet Earth


(_|_)
\_|_/
\_|_/
\_|_/
\_|_/
\_|_/

electrical circuit through centre of a 'coil'

(.) <- from above


->->- electrical flow if

\
opposing duals lead to motion
/

\
opposing duals lead to motion eg ->
/

and then the electricity ->- is seen to flow

..|
..^ ->- the classic tetrahedral pattern
..!
/ | \

2 duals -> a rotation
- with both duals - the 3 vectors defining a plane which the
orthogonal electrical flow may take (orthogonal to the plane)

..|
..^ ->- the classic tetrahedral pattern
..!
/ | \
x x x

x x x defines a plane -> ______
which defines the vector for
!
!
!

->-

!
!
!______

--- so ---

electrical flow everts from the planet through the 'southern/northern' lights into the magnetosphere

... ... to :-) be continued ... ...

1 -> <-2

->- ->- 3

... ... to :-) be continued ... ...

http://cass.ucsd.edu/public/tutorial/images/mw.jpg


http://www.cardcow.com/images/a-picturesque-old-water-wheel-during-indian-summer-more-topics-14244.jpg

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/lg/1/8/M-C--Escher-Waterfall-180590.jpg

round.

driven round.

driven round and round.

this thread has been temporarily closed. It will re-open at a later time, once it can be read through.

Thanks for your patience.