Hey guys. I borrowed a 10mg Adderall tablet (not the XR capsule) and took it yesterday morning around 8am to help study for a test that I had today. I have a pre-hire screening in 3 more days that will include a urine drug test.
I haven't taken any more Adderall since then.

Do you think I will pass the drug test?
There will have been 103 hours (4 days and 7 hours) since the time I have taken the last 10mg dose (this is the first time I have taken Adderall in about 8 months).

Also, how can I help to get it out of my system so it doesnt show up on the urine drug test?

Dave,

You may not find much help here with your question... I'll explain why.

Please correct me if I am wrong. My "assumption" from your post, your 1st and only post, is that you are not diagnosed with ADHD and you are not prescribed stimulant medication. I apologize in advance if I am wrong.<O:p
<O:p</O:p

Many of us here LEGITIMATELY need these medications to help correct chemical deficiencies and imbalances within our brains. These drugs offer us the opportunity to function in a world that has little understanding for our condition. In fact, many people refuse to believe in the existence of our problem.
<O:p</O:p

This is partially due to people like your self who, for personal gain and recreation, abuse the exact same drugs we desperately need just to function in a normal, and socially acceptable, manner. Everytime some jack-fuc* "borrows" some Adderall or Ritilan so that they can stay up all night "studying" it gives us a bad name, and hurts the perception that mnay people have regarding our disease.
<O:p</O:p

In the future, please just go to the corner and buy some speed the next time you need a "boost." That way, you only harm yourself instead of harming every person here that legitimately needs these drugs.

Shame on you, and shame on whoever let you "borrow" their Adderall.

Dave,

You may not find much help here with your question... I'll explain why.

Please correct me if I am wrong. My "assumption" from your post, your 1st and only post, is that you are not diagnosed with ADHD and you are not prescribed stimulant medication. I apologize in advance if I am wrong.<O:p
<O:p</O:p

Many of us here LEGITIMATELY need these medications to help correct chemical deficiencies and imbalances within our brains. These drugs offer us the opportunity to function in a world that has little understanding for our condition. In fact, many people refuse to believe in the existence of our problem.
<O:p</O:p

This is partially due to people like your self who, for personal gain and recreation, abuse the exact same drugs we desperately need just to function in a normal, and socially acceptable, manner. Everytime some jack-fuc* "borrows" some Adderall or Ritilan so that they can stay up all night "studying" it gives us a bad name, and hurts the perception that mnay people have regarding our disease.
<O:p</O:p

In the future, please just go to the corner and buy some speed the next time you need a "boost." That way, you only harm yourself instead of harming every person here that legitimately needs these drugs.

Shame on you, and shame on whoever let you "borrow" their Adderall.

Thanks for the reply big Graft.
Does anybody mature have any helpful replies?? Thanks

Thanks for the reply big Graft.
Does anybody mature have any helpful replies?? Thanks

Depends on what your definition of mature is.:confused:

Thanks for the reply big Graft.
Does anybody mature have any helpful replies?? Thanks

Have you been diagnosed with any condition that supports the use of stimulant prescription drugs?

OK, now you have got my attention.

For the record, Grafter's reply to you was very mature. Maybe a little on the harsh side, but right on the money. If you do not have a prescription for a med. then you should not be taking it. furthermore, giving the doc a bogus story to get a script is just the same.

To answer your original question, why I'm even bothering I don't know, Amphetamine can give you a positive result on urine tests for aprox. 5 days.

If you think you have ADHD, then get tested and get your meds from the doc. If you do not have ADHD, and your taking Adderall just because you can, then you are the one that needs to get mature.

Have you been diagnosed with any condition that supports the use of stimulant prescription drugs?

If you re-read my original post, then your current post is irrelevant. But since it might require too much work for you to scroll up, the answer is NO I DONT. I obtained it and used it. End of story, no ethical issues need arise to answer my original question.

I asked about the urine drug test that I have coming up and gave the amount of time between my ingestion and when my test is.
Anybody who can answer that?? Thanks in advance.

I don't need to re-read your post. It's obvious that I understood it correctly.

I can't help you.

Good luck on your new job.

I think your drug test will certainly be positive, from my experience..

Hey guys. I borrowed a 10mg Adderall tablet (not the XR capsule) and took it yesterday morning around 8am to help study for a test that I had today. I have a pre-hire screening in 3 more days that will include a urine drug test.
I haven't taken any more Adderall since then.

Do you think I will pass the drug test?
There will have been 103 hours (4 days and 7 hours) since the time I have taken the last 10mg dose (this is the first time I have taken Adderall in about 8 months).

Also, how can I help to get it out of my system so it doesnt show up on the urine drug test?

As a fellow druggie, amphetamines usually stay in your system from 2-4 days. Drink plenty of water if you want to try to flush it out a little quicker.

In the future, please just go to the corner and buy some speed the next time you need a "boost." That way, you only harm yourself instead of harming every person here that legitimately needs these drugs.

So you would rather him go out and buy unregulated methampthetamine which has no real consistency in dose or purity and is manufactured using god knows what. Personally I would rather have him pop a little adderall then to go fully destroying his body with street meth.

Now I will agree with you on him abusing medication for his own selfish needs is stupid. In all reality he most likely didn't need the medication at all. I think collage students need to stop ****ing partying and study when they are supposed to.

This also boils down to the real question though, are educational institutions overloading the students with too much work? Is are modern day society to blame, teaching bad work ethic and telling everyone they can cure there problems with a pill.

I don't know where I'm going with this, I thought I was on the verge of a revelation but I lost it.

So you would rather him go out and buy unregulated methampthetamine which has no real consistency in dose or purity and is manufactured using god knows what. Personally I would rather have him pop a little adderall then to go fully destroying his body with street meth.

How do I say this without sounding like a hard-***? In a word: Yes. He can go out and get his drugs out on the street like the rest of the real addicts. Just like I did for 20 years before I finally hit my bottom... and then cleaned up and found out I was ADHD.

Whether he has an 8-ball or a bottle of pills, he's in possession of a controlled substance and will face the same consequences if caught. Whether he is taking Adderral or crank, he has not been cleared by a physician to take them.

The only reason why these stimulant drugs are regulated and prescribed is because there is a legitimate need for them by certain individuals with chemical imbalances. Unfortunately, there are many people that don't believe we have a real need for these medications, and a lot of it has to do with these individuals, like Dave, that abuse them.

People like our friend Dave here make it that much harder for those of us that need these drugs to get them. At the same time his actions reinforce the negative perception many hold against ADHD and it management.

This also boils down to the real question though, are educational institutions overloading the students with too much work? Is are modern day society to blame, teaching bad work ethic and telling everyone they can cure there problems with a pill.


Are you serious? Too much work? Unless you're in Chem-E or something like that, I don't think so.

I'd like to pull out a favorite Zappa quote again.

"If you want to get laid, go to college. But if you want an education, go to the library."

Original Poster,

FYI: There are loads of substance abuse/user websites where you could have posed your question and been congenially given an answer. Try one of them next time you have this kind of question. Here, most members find such questions very offensive (as you've probably noticed).

Sincerely,
Sue

I agree with Grafter and the others - people who do not need ADD medications but decide to abuse them for their recreation make it harder for the rest of us who would rather be able to function without pills.

Why would any one in thier right mind want to take a pill to function if they can function without them????

Man I would give any thing to be able to get by without taking medications.


The reason for some of the harsh responses has nothing to do with maturity it has to do with perspective - many here have found treatment difficult because people do abuse the ADD medications some doctors are paranoid about prescribing it . Not only is the member who wrote the initial post at fault the ADDer who gave them the medication is equally to blame - maybe this will serve as a reminder to those of us who are on medications - do not share your medications - tell your buddies to get their own drugs from a legit drug dealer {sarcasm intended}



o you would rather him go out and buy unregulated methampthetamine which has no real consistency in dose or purity and is manufactured using god knows what.

Yep that is what I would personally prefer he do - if he goes and buys himself some good old fashion bath tub speed then he isn't making obtaining treatment difficult for those like me who have ADD.

Why should I care if his drugs are pure - that isn't my problem. My ADD is my problem and people who abuse ADD medications make my life harder period end of story .

the answer is YES, .....in 3 days it should be out of your system. drink water.

for that information, I charge a small fee.
.............the rest of your lifetime, be free from drug dependence.

life is looooong when you make the wrong choices.

.....for the highest good of you and all the people who love you..
alll me and all these people want, is for you to be healthy and happy.

.......I agree with the others.

Don't give your life away under the bridge downtown.

.....please.



....this is my life, because i made the wrong choices..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZtszXnG11E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQOok6zO-CI

...understand?

a done bun can't be undone.


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Q: okay, i have been taking adderall ((dl-amphetamine) treatment for add people) but im not a.d.d. I just buy it off kids from school. I feel smarter, and can concentrate easily, so i take it on a daily basis. I just wanted to know if this will affect me since I'm not supposed to be taking it. It would be greatly appreciated if you could take the time to answer and email me back. thank you very much!
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A: One very important thing for you to know is that it is very likely a felony in your state to buy adderall (a schedule II substance) without a prescription. Be aware of the legal, school, and familial risks.

Adderall is a hybrid amphetamine composed of four different amphetamine salts which act on different time scales. As an amphetamine, it tends to have a classic amphetamine reaction in those people who do not have specific medical need for it. As dose increases, people are more likely experience a speedy effect, tend towards compulsive organization, will have difficulty sleeping, and at higher doses may experience jaw clenching and dehydration. Many people find the 'speedy' effect of drugs like adderall recreationally desirable, sometimes as a way to stay up, to allow for more energy, or to get caught up on work or cleaning that they have been procrastinating for some period of time.

In people who do have attention deficit disorder, adderal has somewhat different effects. It generally loses the sense of being a 'fun' thing to do, but is seen as an effective way to keep thoughts organized, stay on task, and accomplish things. Most ADD users of adderal or similar drugs develop little interest in overmedicating on a regular basis, although most know that an occasional extra 5 or 10 mg in the morning will give a bit of a speedy edge and perhaps make up for some slacking days, but tend to utilize this edge very rarely.

Because of your sense of how this amphetamine is affecting you, I would like to encourage you to check out the common symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder. There are many pages on the net that discuss symptoms, but here are a couple: About.com's ADHD Diagnosis Page to take a look at some of the diagnostic criteria for ADD. If you find that you fit this profile, despite your belief that you do not have ADD, a visit to a psychiatrist or neurologist may be in order to discuss the situation in more detail. It may be helpful to be honest with them about your discovery that ADD medications assist you with your daily work. (You should keep in mind, however, that drugs like Adderall are considered by the FDA to have a high profile for abuse on the street, and therefore in the USA are only available in 30-day prescriptions with no refills). Many physicians are wary of 'patients' showing up lookging for a script for amphetamines.

Currently (2001), ADD is a very popular diagnosis and many children and adults are prescribed stimulants as a treatment. One thing to keep in mind is that while some people very clearly fit the diagnosis of ADD, there are continuums of focus, attention, calm, et cetera along which everyone falls. Each of us moves along those continuums depending on time of day, day of week, week of the year, etc. Stress, diet, and sleep quality can radically affect one's ability to focus and concentrate and should be the first issues to explore when addressing attention problems.

Almost everyone wishes they could focus more than they can and has trouble staying consistently engaged in school, work, reading, and other activities. Proper dosages of stimulants work for many people in the short term to increase focus, but there are many pitfalls and problems associated with regular strong stimulant use. Many people do respond well to stimulants and they are used by millions of people to effectively manage symptoms of ADD.

The world's spiritual traditions and many mind-body practices (such as meditation, tai-chi, yoga, and the like) have as one of their primary goals to increase the ability to focus, concentrate, and relax. Meditation is taught by many traditions as one of the best ways to build the ability to concentrate over a lifetime. Anxiety and inability to focus are some of the most common complaints people have as they age and you might consider looking into a mind-body practice as an additional or alternate method of developing focus and clarity.

If after all of this you determine that you are certain that you do not have ADD, and just find the stimulant property of Adderall helpful, here are some things to watch out for: Any amphetamine can cause side effects such as loss of appetite, decrease in body weight, loss of sleep, and at higher doses increases in blood pressure, pulse rate, and tachycardia. Recreational users of amphetamines tend to find that tolerance develops over time. In some cases, recreational users get to a point where taking a sedative is necessary to counteract the amphetamine enough to sleep. If you find that you are experiencing any of these side effects regularly, or that you are finding it necessary to increase your daily dosage, you are likely to face future problems and should stop your self-medication.

There are many reasons to work with a physician when taking stimulants, not the least of which that if you procure a prescription for them you will not have to fear criminal prosecution for possession if you are caught with them during a traffic stop or other accidental contact with authorities. Another good reason for working with a physician or a non-amphetamine using partner is to help have an external check on your use. It is very easy with stimulants and other regular-use drugs to use more often than may be healthy and it is very difficult to be able to see this from the inside. Working with a buddy-system where someone else you trust has can give you feedback about your use will increase your ability to stay safe. One of the sayings among experienced psychoactive users is "don't fly without a co-pilot" and this applies to daily medication even more.

Remember to be careful in your explorations and to keep clear watch over your usage patterns and side effects. There is a reason that amphetamines are prescribed in such a restricted fashion, and if you choose to use them regularly without the watchful eye of a physician, you should check yourself, to the best of your knowledge and ability, for the same symptoms of abuse and developing tolerance that they would be watching for. Keep a journal of your experience to help track how it works for you, side effects, dosage, mood swings, ability to concentrate, etc.

I find this thread really interesting for a couple of reasons...
Grafter, I do agree that people who "abuse" adderall illegally hurt the rest of us who really need it.
However, the thread made me feel hypocritical about my own situation:
-- I have been on Adderall XR for almost four years. Because I am taking one year off before starting law school, my student insurance (that I, not my parents, was paying for) is no longer available.
--Because I am still officially a Permanent U.S. Resident (I am Canadian), it takes many months for any kind of paperwork to go through for assistance for one year. -- -- Because I am obviously not blessed with a lot of money (the reason for the year of work before grad school)-- I cannot afford the $300 per month that my prescription would now cost me.
-- Unfortunately, for the next couple of months I have to resort to "illegally" acquiring Adderall. I feel like a hypocrite judging the original poster in this thread for this reason.
-- However, it is not as though I decided to use Adderall of my own accord.

--.....Perhaps this is a post with a self-validating intent... but can I consider myself different from these so-called "junkies?" What I am doing is just as illegal. For that reason alone, I am beating myself up about it.
--.....Does it make it better that I am supposed to have my own prescription filled anyway?

While I love the United States (and I have chose to remain here for my lifetime, and to apply for citizenship), it is very confusing to try and understand how I could be put in such a situation.

On a side note, and to avoid certain replies:
--If I want to stay in the U.S., I cannot take advantage of the Canadian healthcare system.
-- Also, I am not arguing for universal healthcare, as I do not find it practicable in the U.S.
--...I guess my biggest source of confusion is the fact that because I do not have health insurance for the next 12 months or so, I cannot afford my medication. What if I had TB, or Diabetes...it is people like the original poster who make our illness more of a "fad" than a true condition.

--I guess I don't have any clear-cut questions in this post. I know that I am just confused in general, as I was unaware that I would be without insurance...

-- My biggest problem is that my doctor from my undergrad institution says that my medical records are confidential and belong to the university... she will not forward them to a Community Mental Health professional when I finally DO get an appointment. Any advice on how I should proceed?
.....Even though I am not in school, it does not make getting "everyday things" done any easier. I have been trying for the last couple of weeks, and as is typical, those movies to Blockbuster (for example) are still sitting on the front seat of my car...........

While I love the United States (and I have chose to remain here for my lifetime, and to apply for citizenship), it is very confusing to try and understand how I could be put in such a situation.

I won't get started on Government hypocrisy.... this is supposed to be an ADHD board.

-- Also, I am not arguing for universal healthcare, as I do not find it practicable in the U.S.

Everybody wants a free ride, don't they?

.....Even though I am not in school, it does not make getting "everyday things" done any easier. I have been trying for the last couple of weeks, and as is typical, those movies to Blockbuster (for example) are still sitting on the front seat of my car...........

Master Yoda says, "Do or do not; there is no try". If you have the time to write about movies in your car you can get up and return them, no?

re: #1

In defense of the original poster: Some ADDers are undiagnosed for DECADES -- and try their friend's pills or diet pills or cold pills and stuff.

They know they have a problem focusing but cannot figure out what is "wrong with them."


Not all of us had the LUXURY of being diagnosed or tested and treated as kids.

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BEFORE I JUDGE with a negative COMMENT:

[I]I would like to know --- WHY he took his friend's MEDS.

--...I guess my biggest source of confusion is the fact that because I do not have health insurance for the next 12 months or so, I cannot afford my medication. What if I had TB, or Diabetes...it is people like the original poster who make our illness more of a "fad" than a true condition.

bling76, I am sorry to hear about the predicament you find yourself in right now. I hope that eventually ADHD and it's treatment will looked upon with less cynicism and negativity. There are many on this Forum that are aiming at just that.

It's true, you could walk into a Community clinic and get condoms, methadone, or insulin with no problem... not so with stimulant medication for ADHD.

And every person that illegally uses our prescribed drugs for recreation/abuse is a black spot on our ability to trudge forward in proving our disease and showing that, when managed, ADDers are vital to our population. We offer new ideas, creative explanations, and abundant enthusiasm for that which we are passionate about.

-- My biggest problem is that my doctor from my undergrad institution says that my medical records are confidential and belong to the university... she will not forward them to a Community Mental Health professional when I finally DO get an appointment. Any advice on how I should proceed?

I don't know for sure. But the fact that they are YOUR records should indicate that you are entitled to them. Perhaps a consultation with a lawyer could help. Also, you paid for that coverage at the school. Those records should not be denied to you.

....Even though I am not in school, it does not make getting "everyday things" done any easier. I have been trying for the last couple of weeks, and as is typical, those movies to Blockbuster (for example) are still sitting on the front seat of my car...........

Thanks for the reminder, I've got two movies sitting on top of the TV that are two weeks late. And I'm medicated.

re: #1
In defense of the original poster: Some ADDers are undiagnosed for DECADES -- and try their friend's pills or diet pills or cold pills and stuff.
They know they have a problem focusing but cannot figure out what is "wrong with them."
Not all of us had the LUXURY of being diagnosed or tested and treated as kids.


Good point, that describes my life. But cigarettes, OTC vivarin, and truck-stop ephedrine (the last is NOT SAFE) aren't prescribed schedule II drugs. And most students nowadays are very well aware of the existence of ADHD (I don't remember hearing about it in grade school).

Trying to see both sides- but still condemning the abuse.

re: #1

In defense of the original poster: Some ADDers are undiagnosed for DECADES -- and try their friend's pills or diet pills or cold pills and stuff.

They know they have a problem focusing but cannot figure out what is "wrong with them."Sure. But the original poster also had plenty of opportunity to make that case. He didn't. It's pure speculation to believe that he is a poor soul who probably needs medication because of undiagnosed ADHD.

Not all of us had the LUXURY of being diagnosed or tested and treated as kids.

I was undiagnosed for 34 years. What LUXURY are you speaking of? My parents heard of this odd thing called ADD back in the 70's and said it seemed to fit me perfectly, but were unable to afford the testing at that time.

The fact that ADD diagnoses are less expensive now, and more attainable to those of us that need it isn't a LUXURY, it's progress.

Good point, that describes my life. But cigarettes, OTC vivarin, and truck-stop ephedrine (the last is NOT SAFE) aren't prescribed schedule II drugs. And most students nowadays are very well aware of the existence of ADHD (I don't remember hearing about it in grade school).

Trying to see both sides- but still condemning the abuse.

At the end of my addiction in 2004 I would wake up by taking 8 Vivarin (1600mg caffeine) and, believe it or not, take on average 2 BOTTLES of ephedrine. That's 120 tabs @ 40-60 mg each. Needless to say, it took a hell of a lot of alcohol in the evenings to come down from all that. This was a two year stint I developed over a twenty year period. I was told that I was lucky to be alive when I checked into detox. If I could get my hands on some meth, coke, or speed, I would.

All because I didn't have the LUXURY of being diagnosed as a kid.

I'm not going to apologize for being intolerant to the OP. I've lived both sides.

Dave has options I never had. I won't defend him hurting himself, and inadvertently me and every other person with ADHD.

I'm not going to apologize for being intolerant to the OP. I've lived both sides.

Dave has options I never had. I won't defend him hurting himself, and inadvertently me and every other person with ADHD.

BTW Grafter, I wasn't apologizing to or "defending" Dave at all. Just doing my usual yin/yang thing of looking from both directions- I play Devil's advocate when I get a chance. Dave is wrong, but there's also a (slim, doubtful) chance that he actually does have ADHD and doesn't know it. Remember, once upon a time you made a wrong choice by doing meth- just as illegal as what Dave's doing. You could use ADHD as an excuse, but lots of people with ADHD didn't get into meth (I'm also not condemning you).

How on Earth did you survive all that ephedrine? You must have the heart of a Rhinoceros or something.

BTW Grafter, I wasn't apologizing to or "defending" Dave at all. Just doing my usual ying/yang thing of looking from both directions- I play Devil's advocate when I get a chance. Dave is wrong, but there's also a (slim, doubtful) chance that he actually does have ADHD and doesn't know it.

How on Earth did you survive all that ephedrine? You must have the heart of a Rhinoceros or something.

I like to play Devil's advocate too! My wife hates me for it! :D

As far as the ephedrine, I really don't know.

I was told once that I've been given a second chance to fulfill an unknown purpose.

I can work that. :)

Remember, once upon a time you made a wrong choice by doing meth- just as illegal as what Dave's doing. You could use ADHD as an excuse, but lots of people with ADHD didn't get into meth (I'm also not condemning you).

Hey Post Editor! :D

By no means do I use ADHD as an excuse for my addiction. In retrospect, it simply sheds much light on why I felt the need to make the choices I did. I accept full responsibility for my choices, suffered the consequences for them, and continue to right the wrongs I have done.

Here we are back at the beginning again. If Dave chooses to take a stimulant, it is his decision. But by choosing our regulated and approved medication to do so, he is indirectly causing harm to those of us that desperately, legitimately, and legally need this medication. Also, if Dave were searching for help, he'd be able to find it. But he wasn't. He was trying to get away with an illegal activity. I pity him. I know what it's like to fear a positive drug test. It sucks.

Addicts are 100% selfish and don't think, or don't care, about the consequences of their actions, unless it effects them continuing to do whatever it is they want to do. It never occurred to our friend that him taking Adderall could affect everyone on this board. And he didn't care. Maybe he is aware now.

I suppose my abuse did affect each and every one of you. I apologize that my actions now cause you to purchase OTC Sudafed from behind the pharmacy counter.

I suppose my abuse did affect each and every one of you. I apologize that my actions now cause you to purchase OTC Sudafed from behind the pharmacy counter.

LOL Good one Grafter... Don't apologize to me

BTW I'm only using legally prescribed drugs and coffee...

To dave131 I have always said "To each his own" The only thing I find wierd is how do you "borrow" a pill? I have heard of buying, being given[rarely] ,stealing, etc. But never "borrowing" a pill? Being in college I would not go to a forum for people who take a medication that is prescibed for them and ask anything, especially asking a question because you "abused" a medicine they take for good reason. Being in college I would think you would have enough brains to look up how long a certain drug stays in your system BEFORE you take something and then go "Oh, I hope this does not show up in the UA you knew you were going to have ahead of time." I thought about, for a split second to look up the answer, then my brain kicked in and said H*** No! This kid that is in college should have enough brains to figure his own problem out. Next time, "Look before you leap."

I know where you're coming from Maurice. To me, it wasn't so much THE QUESTION dave123 asked that bothered me. It was that he would ask THIS PARTICULAR WEBSITE such a question. It felt like one big "Dis" to me.


Sue

I figure, a clenched fist can't recieve a gift.

.......I told him the answer...he opened up to receive the info..
while he was open, I shoved somemore in.

people are gonna do what they want, and he woulda just passed anyway, and not thought of me, and what i said if I had'nt.

In the future, please just go to the corner and buy some speed the next time you need a "boost." That way, you only harm yourself instead of harming every person here that legitimately needs these drugs.

On a technical note, 'speed' and 'Adderall' come up as the same thing on a drug test, so it's not like they can tell he's used Adderall.

I don't get the hostile tone many have posted with.

The OP may well just be using for recreational purposes but are we about censure and attitude or are we a group dedicated to helping all who turn up, however much of a dick they are?

Fair enough we don't want the place turning into an addicts drop in for advice (though google will lead them here anyway) but a little light leeway and altruism for anyone in distress is the humane way to react.

Yes I'm a sucker and I get rolled sometimes. But I'm happier that than being too cynical to help when I hear a call.