I have been off adderal for about 2 months, and Im still very tired.AM i ever going to be myself again? I use to take concerta before adderal and it worked very well but then when i went back to concerta i get this nasty feeling in my body and instead of helping me its done the total opposite . I'm getting really scared because college starts again in 2 months and i need to get a hold on this ADD. I'm going to my doctor on july 1st. I'm getting incredibly frustrated with this because nothing seems to work for me. My career is on the line at this moment and if that doesn't work out i will literally be devastated. I know none of you guys are doctors but i was wondering if anyone here has gone through, and if so what did you do to get better?


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Can you explain why you went off Adderall? Was it helping? Or not?

Even though you're tired.. do you get out and excercise? Are you drinking plenty of fluids? Eating properly?

Do you take any dietary supplements? vitamins? Sometimes anemia causes tiredness, too.

When was the last time you had a physical? It may be time to have some bloodwork, etc done.. along with a full physical. Make sure they do an EKG...to see what your heart is doing. Also have them check your thyroid. Sometimes underlying health problems are hidden when you're trying to get proper medication.

I'd also have an eye exam... if you haven't had one recently.

It was a battle for me to few the first 2 month, and out of the blue achieved brain chemistry balance, so greatfull i didn't give up, also you will have some tiredness for quite awhile after stopping as your brain needs to re-regulate. MED

Rdm3000 is taking wellbutrin now. I read a post of yours Rdm300 were you said bendryl works well with ADHD meds. I think you better get a second opinion on that. ADHD drugs boost histamine release and histamine aids wakefulness. First generation antihistamines would counter the effectiveness of ADHD meds.

I haven't been taking bendryl at all because none of my medications have been working. I have tried concerta which was a miracle druge for the longest time for me, and then went to a new doctor and they prescribed me adderal which worked for 2 months and I hit this wall of fatigue. Then I tried to go back to concerta, and it didn't work at all like it use to.Then I took a 30 day medication holiday and tried to go back on concerta and every time i took the medication i would get this really nasty inside and very tired. I have gone to the doctor and they are totally stumped because they cant find anything wrong with me. So there next try was anti depressants.So im on wellbutrion and have been on it for 14 days now and have not felt better at all. I really dont think i have depression but we will see. Has anyone gone through this before?

Also, I eat very healthy and go to the gym like a nazi. i use multi vitamin and get good sleep. During this semester I went through great deals of stress, probably the most I have ever gone through. One more thing i tried Dextro as well right after concerta wasn't working and still nothing.

If anyone has any advice i would love to hear, and i know you guys arent doctors.

when you say they found nothing wrong... did they do blood tests?

when you say they found nothing wrong... did they do blood tests?

Yeah they did a complete system check. :confused: All negative

Then sent me to alternative medicine.

Ok... I guess.. Just give it a little more time. Not sure what else to say.. if they've done blood tests and found nothing wrong.

Might want to journal how you're feeling each day, as well.

Yeah its been 3 months. I know theres nothing you can do but I tried waiting and thats not working.:) I need to do something or my life will drown.:(

Maybe a diet change... and some excercise.. ?

Did you say if you were taking a multi-vitamin?

Maybe a diet change... and some excercise.. ?

Did you say if you were taking a multi-vitamin?

Yeah i have a very tight regimen and i stick to it. Maybe i need a higher does?? I dont know. I get scared because i have read horror stories about adderal and how it stops working after a couple months when you keep raising the dosage. I don't want to crash mid semester like i did this semester

I suppose you could try a higher dose...at least for a bit..

Or maybe something else you're taking.. is negating your vitamins. How much Vitamin A are you getting?

I read recently that it helps Fibro patients, maybe it would help someone with ADD.

The reason I say this is because, Fibromyalgia is also caused by lack of serotonin. That is why I mentioned a diet change...or in addition to what you're already doing.

I suppose you could try a higher dose...at least for a bit..

Or maybe something else you're taking.. is negating your vitamins. How much Vitamin A are you getting?

I read recently that it helps Fibro patients, maybe it would help someone with ADD.

The reason I say this is because, Fibromyalgia is also caused by lack of serotonin. That is why I mentioned a diet change...or in addition to what you're already doing.

Not to be negative nanacy but I take a multivitamin that gives me 130% Vit A. Thanks for your help though i appreciate it.

I suppose you could try a higher dose...at least for a bit..

Or maybe something else you're taking.. is negating your vitamins. How much Vitamin A are you getting?

I read recently that it helps Fibro patients, maybe it would help someone with ADD.

The reason I say this is because, Fibromyalgia is also caused by lack of serotonin. That is why I mentioned a diet change...or in addition to what you're already doing.

oops............

k.... and it's ok. I can see why the doctor's are frustrated and you, as well.

I think i figured it out. Been up alright researching.

Stimulants - Adderall, Concerta, Cylert, Etc

"Stimulants such as Adderall (amphetamine), Concerta (methylphenidate), Cylert (pemoline), Dexedrine (dextroamphetamine sulfate), Focalin (dexmethylphenidate HCL), Metadate (methylphenidate), and Ritalin (methylphenidate) are use to increase adrenalin. They can be very helpful in increasing a person’s energy. But you may remember the saying “speed kills.” With the exception of Provigil, these medications are nothing more than various forms of amphetamines (“speed”). These drugs are incredibly hard on the adrenal glands. Long-term use can cause adrenal fatigue or burnout at least and full blown Addison’s Disease (adrenal failure) at worst".


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"Adrenal fatigue isn't an actual disease, so this entire discussion is pretty much pointless.

Your CNS doesn't "burnout" either.

Seriously, life would be a lot simpler if people stopped inventing fantasy illnesses and diagnosing themselves with them on the internet.

There are about 8 billion conditions that cause fatigue or mental impairment of some kind. Cortisol is very rarely to blame, and is in fact an anti-stress hormone. I would imagine sleep deprivation, depression, and hypothyroidism are the most common causes of "adrenal fatigue" hypochondria.

Your adrenal glands can produce ridiculous amounts of catecholamines all ****ing day long. Much like the Terminator, they never sleep, and they never stop. (except in extremely rare cases)

Sometimes what will happen is due to an extended hypodopaminergic state, the GR/MR receptor density in the pituitary gland increases, leading to your brain incorrectly sensing cortisol levels being higher than they are. This is IMO likely an adaptation of efficiency-- if the environment isn't challenging or requiring goal-directed behavior, then lowering catecholamine output slows the metabolism and increases efficiency. The problem with that being that after an extended period of diminished ACTH secretion by the pineal, the adrenal glands atrophy somewhat as another plastic response to increase efficiency, since they aren't being used much.

Sort of like sitting on your *** and watching your muscles atrophy. But all these adaptations are plastic and reverse with say, cortisone therapy.

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those with adrenal fatigue are told to lay off stims, why is that? is it just to prevent further CNS burnout, which results in adrenal fatigue,, or is cortisol really the source of the problem??

It's because adrenal fatigue is a fantasy illness invented by unemployed old ugly fat women on the internet who sit around and smoke pot, and eat tubs of chocolate ice cream all day, looking for an excuse for their behavior while talking about how unfair it is that men run everything and how they suspect their husband might be cheating on them while they hold their Wiccan circle rituals. Of course they wouldn't want stimulants... stimulants are something you use as a tool to give you energy and drive to confront your problems.

I mean, if you're going to diagnose yourself with a fantasy illness, why are you choosing one invented by stupid fat *****es? At least make up a manly one. Like, how about... EMASCULITIS-- a state of fatigue induced by the emasculation of society: ownership and training with weapons, a lack of battle, rape, pillage, burning things, taking slaves, killing things; crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women. A perfectly normal reaction to a man not enjoying the good things in life. How many mother****ing Vikings, pirates, ninjas or Samurai had "adrenal fatigue"? Yeah, 0. That's how many.

Cortisol does not directly affect the GR/MR density in the pituitary, it is controlled by DA.

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just resting does not help those with adrenal fatigue

It can, sort of ... if it prompts changes in behavior that encourages greater dopamine and cortisol release with activities or drugs.

But not really for the most part. Much like how after sitting on your *** and letting your muscles atrophy, lying on the couch isn't going to make them come back either. You've got to pump some ****ing iron.

Similarly, sitting on your *** and eating tubs of chocolate ice cream isn't going to make the dopamine+cortisol cometh and normalize your GR/MR receptor density, either. You've got to take drugs or do activities that pump up DA+C.

In studies on people with CFS, it was found that relatively intense exercise was actually the best treatment, leading to not only the best long-term results but the best reduction in acute symptoms.... despite the conventional stupid internet fat ***** "wisdom" of doing nothing and exercise worsening symptoms.

Resting is something you are allowed to do after: intense sex for at least 8 hours, many days of glorious battle and drinking the blood of your enemies, whipping your slaves, razing an enemy village, invading France, military training, a day of constructing or maintaining fortifications, earth, weapons, provisions, or vehicles; harvesting lumber with an axe or hand-held chainsaw (fags with vehicle-mounted chainsaws need not apply); killing a bear, velociraptor, zombie, or some combination thereof in melee combat; a good lynching; or standing guard for at least 48+ hours to ensure the safety of your comrades. Alternatively, it is also acceptable on the sabbath, but only if you're a jew.

Resting is NOT something you are allowed to do after: eating a tub of chocolate ice cream, holding any "Wiccan" function, cleaning the house, cooking food except as a military or lumberjack provisioner (or if you kill the animal yourself immediately beforehand), chatting on the internets, video gaming, watching TV, arms reduction talks, resting, sleeping, smoking pot, attending a rally or protest, writing a letter, using aromatherapy, pardoning a criminal, negotiating peace or a ceasefire, purchasing a Toyota Prius, marching in a gay pride parade (exception: hot lesbian chicks), calling or TXTing your BFF Jill, feeling sad, voicing your opinion on how to reduce gun violence, working to help Africa, feeling sorry for yourself, posting about your libido problems on M&M, or asking why people on the internets are so mean.

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That is why stimulants can lead to adrenal fatigue by first burning out youre CNS.
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Stimulants are a form of stimulation and also cause downregulation.

Not unless you take stupidly high neurotoxic doses they don't. Dopaminergic stims actually lower the GR/MR density in the pituitary, thus decreasing negative feedback and increasing ACTH responsiveness. Stimulants are an extremely effective treatment in the symptoms of atypical depression and PTSD which share this receptor density problem and decreased ACTH secretion issue.

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What are ways that you can avoid CNS burnout while working out everyday and using stims? Im looking for nootropics/supplements.
Is selegiline a good idea? can it lead to CNS burnout as well like other stims?

In moderation no stimulant will cause any symptoms you describe as "burnout" or "adrenal fatigue". They will with neurotoxic abuse dosages or if they destroy your sleep. That applies to any drug, selegiline, or even depressants like alcohol.

(the exception to this is sudden withdrawal from dopaminergics will lead to a hypodopaminergic state where there is not enough DA to keep the GR/MR receptor density in check)"

............for someone (myself) who has CFS and Fibromyalgia.. I may just take exception to this last post.

What about Vitamin B 12 supplements? You may have a vitamin B12 deficiency-which would cause you to be tired all the time. Go get some liquid vitamin B 12. I prefer the Brickers Lab B12 Blast with Folic Acid- it taste better then the rest- Since you have to keep it under your tongue for 30 seconds I think this is important.