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07-03-08, 05:55 PM
*** Ignorance Alert Caution for people prone to heartburn.***

The article, as you can see, didn't involve a lot of research on ADHD meds, and the comments are uniformly annoying. One fellow asks, why not teach self control the old way -- with a good spanking?" Sheesh. --Ducky


Children's suicide attempts raise concerns about ADHD medication (


From Thursday's Globe and Mail

July 3, 2008 at 12:02 PM EDT

New questions are being raised about the safety of a drug used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder amid reports that more than 40 Canadian children have attempted suicide after taking it.

The issue highlights a long-brewing debate over the decision to prescribe powerful drugs to treat complex psychiatric problems among children.

"It does raise some concerns," said Roger McIntyre, head of the Mood Disorders Psychopharmacology Unit at Toronto's University Health Network.

"Childhood psychiatric disorders, I think, are an area [that] in and of itself remain a controversial topic."

Health Canada said it received 189 reports of adverse reactions associated with atomoxetine, sold under the name Strattera, from the time it was put on the market in February, 2005, to the end of last year.

The reports included 55 suicide attempts - 41 of which were among children aged 6 to 17, and 12 that were adults between 18 and 45. Ages were unavailable in two reports, according to information published by Health Canada in its quarterly publication on adverse drug reactions.

Of the 55 suicide attempts, one patient died, three had not yet recovered, and 29 had recovered. The outcome was unknown in 22 reports.

It is not the first time concern has been raised about Strattera, and other ADHD drugs. In September, 2005, just months after the drug was put on the Canadian market, Health Canada warned that the drug may trigger behavioural changes or increase the risk of self-harm. A year later, it issued a warning that all ADHD drugs may be associated with agitation, hallucinations and other psychiatric problems among children.

One expert said the problems associated with this category of drugs should prompt serious questions about the fact they are often prescribed to young people with ADHD.

"The drugging of children for attention-deficit disorders is very controversial," said Alan Cassels, a drug policy researcher at the University of Victoria. "You might say, 'Why is this being prescribed at all?' "

Another serious issue is the fact many parents, and even some doctors, may be unaware that certain drugs have been associated with problems, Mr. Cassels said. That's because such warnings are often not well publicized and may not reach the ears of parents who must make the crucial decision about whether to put their child on powerful medications.

"If you're a parent and your kid gets prescribed Strattera, do you know that drug comes with a risk of attempted suicide?" he said.

Many children may require medication to manage the symptoms of ADHD, according to Dr. McIntyre, who is also a psychiatry and pharmacology professor at the University of Toronto. But such disorders often coincide with other underlying psychiatric conditions that have not yet been recognized or diagnosed. As a result, ADHD medication could inadvertently trigger a suicidal reaction or other severe behavioural problems, he said.

It's important for parents to inform themselves about the risks of a particular drug so they can look for any warning signs, Mr. Cassels said.

Eli Lilly Canada, which makes Strattera, declined to provide a spokesperson to respond to questions yesterday. But the company provided a written statement saying that Strattera is not the only stimulant-type ADHD treatment that has been associated with behaviours related to suicide. The company said more than five million people worldwide have taken the drug since it was approved.

"Lilly continues to actively monitor and evaluate all new safety data sources as they become available, and will take prompt and appropriate action based on new findings in accordance with established risk-management principles," communications manager Jennifer Gordon said in a statement.

07-03-08, 06:05 PM
One fellow asks, why not teach self control the old way -- with a good spanking?"

That sums ups the problem on mankind in general . Failure to understand with a good dose of violence to compensate for ignorance.

07-04-08, 12:49 PM
Update -- I posted a comment to the article's comments area Thursday evening and it has not appeared, though twelve others have. The area is "partially moderated", so someone saw (and rejected?) my comment.

Question: who benefits from ADHD denialism?

Not me,


07-08-08, 12:56 PM
ADHD is the most common childhood mental health 'disorder'.

And we know that ADHD rarely 'travels alone' as a mental health issue.

I bet these stats are talking about young people with ADHD -- plus a WHOLE lot more going on...

07-08-08, 01:50 PM
*** Ignorance Alert Caution for people prone to heartburn.***

The article, as you can see, didn't involve a lot of research on ADHD meds, and the comments are uniformly annoying. One fellow asks, why not teach self control the old way

-- with a good spanking?" Sheesh. --Ducky

I read the article and the comments. Many of the comments just make me shake my head in despair. We have so far to go in educating people on the nature of ADHD. <Sigh>, we just have to keep on plugging.

A couple of thoughts on articles of this type. They never report the suicide attempt rate on the general population nor the attempt rate on unmedicated ADHD individuals. It would be useful in evaluating these claims.

Another thought, many of the side effects on the adhd medications have been long known such as children becoming more hyperactive when taking the medication. Hallucinations and other extreme reactions have also been know for a long time. Nothing new here. The problem is that parents are not advised to watch for this. All medications can have bad side effects on a few cases. Even aspirin can be deadly to some.

I really believe forums like this one play an important part in educating the public on adhd. It is for this reason I participate. Hope we help one or two and perhaps make their struggles a little easier. Hope abounds and tries to keep a little ahead of frustration.


07-17-08, 06:54 AM
Children's suicide attempts raise concerns about ADHD medicationIt's not the fault of the children.
It's not the fault of the medicine.

It's only the fault of the 'parents' - but not in the way we usually use this idea under current context ->-

All adults is better expression than 'parents' here -

- where all nonADD adults is even better

- though 'All adults' need be retained such that responsibility may be collectively shared by all people who're old enough to have their voices heard (and have not).

Adults are too ignorant to see that they are causing all of the problems in their kids
- because their precious commodity
-> MONEY <-
dirty ca$h is the problem
- and appears to have hidden itself in box labelled not negotiable.

The kids are 'good' -
- they're being crushed by the
--->---educational--->---conveyor--->---belt--->---to--->--- 'coca cola salesmen--->---'
thrives within our current society -

- So
- no !-
- point the finger straight back at those who attempt to duck blame -
and state categorically that the people who 'would blame' are killing the children -
- through incapacity to see that the de$ire for ca$h drives their younger generation's de$ire for sucking on a live, loaded, primed gun

--- where ---

the trigger makes a strangely alluring clickin' noise when gently flicked

[[[ listen ]]]

click click
[not too hard mind you] ... ... ...
click click click
click click cli... ..
........................ ... {{{oops}}}

- chalk up yet another (+1) to the figures on suicide -

'- hey ho!
the bean counters gain extra validation of their $alary,
as they chalk up another child's death to their
kind/criminally unkind'

Official Governmental figures define a
deep loathing for political corruption -
and the sole desire for people to be free from their own Governmental $-backed repression.

for any currency -> , euro, Yen
they're all the same.

07-17-08, 01:20 PM
I see some of the suicidality reports on drugs in children with antidepressants (I include Strattera here too because I have read it is called an SNRI and so isn't Effexor) to be a major case of diffusion of responsibility on the parents and medical professionals myself, SB_UK.

Not to deny that depression is partly a biochemical problem but depression can and usually does have other elements to it as well like abuse or neglect of some sort that isn't obvious (i.e. gaslighting, invalidation, emotional abuse/neglect etc.).

I don't doubt that AD's cause problems, I have never tried Strattera or AD's so I don't know from personal experience but there is usually more going on than just AD/HD or depression.