or does this forum come off to others as a self-pity party?

I can just imagine the SNS activating at full-speed in the reader with a flood of thoughts and feelings storming over, BUT before you become despondent from this post (because it is your choice) let me finish what I must say. And believe me, it will be brief.

I have navigated this forum for some time now prior to registering and couldn't help but notice the repetitive pitiful threads one after another.

Seriously, why is EVERY bad choice, regret, mistake, etc. all blamed on AD/HD? This make me question what planet I wake up and live on. I mean, what the hell happened to individual responsibility for EVERY choice you make of EVERY second you are alive. It is disheartening to know their are masses of people that continually fail to recognize what is thought to be a fundamental principle of being alive.

The melodrama and self-pity on this forum is profound, and what doesn't help this forum is that the apathy shared amongst new members and the older members.

Again, before you think you need to retaliate understand first this isn't an attack to people who suffer from AD/HD. I, too, suffer from it (ADD-I) and recently discovered it to be one issue that has been indirectly affecting me for quite some time, but dammit I don't throw a melodramatic, self-pity party.

What this post comes down to is people need to start accepting the choices they have made for their life. For some I bet it took a long time and many obstacles to come to the realization and qualified medical diagnosis that you have AD/HD.

But you know what? It is YOUR fault you didn't know what was afflicting you sooner. You could have started that long, arduous journey way back when and you didn't. You allowed your life to become moldy and stale by choosing despair over possibilities.

Meanwhile you are still wallowing in pity that your life isn't where you want it to be, your life is perpetually fleeting from you but you have become to ignorant to see otherwise. Instead you choose to be melodramatic and pitiful by posting such on an internet forum.

Well you know what? Shut the hell up and get away from the computer. Get off your *** and make your life what you want it to be. Get over your self, realize your problems are waiting for YOU to get over them, not the opposite. Your problems are waiting for YOU to take back control, YOU don't have to accept them as a part of YOUR life.

Do you understand how self-defeating that is?

All you can do is accept what has been and move on. Move on with action to the next moment and all moments that follow then with soon enough the cascade of moments will become something better. An unknown something better is better than beating your self like a dead horse.

The only reason you cannot attain the life you want is YOU. You and only you possess the intent to create your path and the medication is only a compass to a different direction/destination. That's that.

I must say, I do not see self pity on these threads.

I see relief from others, some realizing for the first time ever, that they aren't alone, or weird .. and that they aren't "just" bad people with bad habits and negative character flaws. the problems are then justified. "this isn't who I am, it's a disorder" can be self assuring and also can be very self defeating. i find that most people seem to feel they ARE the ADD, and probably do feel they can have control over it once it's not seen as some sort of barrier. embrace, accept, decide, move on.

and, your rant is going to offend someone. not me, but someone.

Rant

There's a log out button on the top right of your screen. Have a wonderful day! :D

i also must add, that people come here and perhaps appear to exhibit signs of self pity - but think, where else can they complain? non-adders tend to think we're JUST lazy. it's not hard, you're just lazy. they come here and they rant, because they know everyone here understands.

this is a place of support. ADDers spend enough time talking down to themselves, thinking they're lazy, knowing they could do better, etc. most probably hear it in their minds day in and day out. they don't need others to tell them the same things.

Actually, no. I have only seen a couple of posts that seemed like cries of self pity, as a whole this place is quite supportive.

I sought treatment 20 years ago and have had prozac thrown at me by 4 diff docs and one threw in some wellbutrin for good measure. I knew something was wrong, just not what. I depended on physicians and their training to help me. It has only been in the last six months that my testing and diagnosis finally came out.

This forum is here to support and help each other, have some time with people who understand how you think, and to learn how to do things better than before, and maybe have a little fun.

Diagnosis for me was freedom from the bondage the add had on me. Not knowing "what was wrong with me" put me in a place of not knowing "how to do better". But I've lived this way for years, so change is not going to happen overnight.

Many of us have been told we could do better, we just don't want to. For years, and years we've been told that. If that was true, many of us wouldn't be here trying to find a way to get help.

Co-morbid disorders such as depression sometimes accompany ADD/ADHD, as does addiction to alcohol and other substances. Everyone who has ADD/ADHD can have their symptoms manifest differently.

I am diagnosed as ADD-inattentive, with comorbid dysthmia; my husband ADD combined, OCD, Alcoholism, and GAD.

i also must add, that people come here and perhaps appear to exhibit signs of self pity - but think, where else can they complain? non-adders tend to think we're JUST lazy. it's not hard, you're just lazy. they come here and they rant, because they know everyone here understands.

this is a place of support. ADDers spend enough time talking down to themselves, thinking they're lazy, knowing they could do better, etc. most probably hear it in their minds day in and day out. they don't need others to tell them the same things.

That's really exactly it. No one understands these issues for me in daily life, that's why I come here. Am i that focused on my ADD all day every day as I am on the forum? No, of course not.

So, Mori, maybe you're jumping to the conclusion that what you see on the forum is exactly how people are 24/7 even off the forum?

I see a lot more relief than pity, from a bunch of people that have gotten their act together and are getting better.

It's really easy to close a browser if you don't like what you see. It's even easier to not join a forum that you think is pitiful.

Seriously, why is EVERY bad choice, regret, mistake, etc. all blamed on AD/HD? This make me question what planet I wake up and live on. I mean, what the hell happened to individual responsibility for EVERY choice you make of EVERY second you are alive. It is disheartening to know their are masses of people that continually fail to recognize what is thought to be a fundamental principle of being alive.

The melodrama and self-pity on this forum is profound, and what doesn't help this forum is that the apathy shared amongst new members and the older members.

i didn't read any other replies i just had to answer, so sorry if im being redundant.

i do agree with taking responsibility for our own thoughts action etc... as i am constantly saying to people i choose to tell i don't want add to be an excuse, and i am pro-activly doing everything i can to make my life easier despite having add... but i think you have to understand there is almost a helpless component that comes with add, whether it being internal feelings or externally. as hard as i am trying to do things right and notice when my add symptoms may get the best of me... i can't help help them so much of the time. if i could CHOOSE to not make the same mistake at work again, i wouldn't! i do take responsibility for my actions, but it becomes extremely frustrating when you don't even know half the time you screwing up until after the fact!

maybe im blind to it, but i don't see overwhelming self pity and melodrama. i see people in their low times and me being one of them have vented and posted a seemingly pity party for myself. but the fact of the matter is we come here to vent because the people on this forum are overwhelmingly ( now see the irony here) positive. most of us don't have anywhere to go and vent where others can truly understand, and we know we can get positive reinforcements to help us through our hard times!!!

also, a large symptom of add is a feeling of a low/ inaccurate view of yourself and not being able to see your accomplishments despite what you have done throughout your life...

im sorry but i am thoroughly offended... if no one else will say it i will. this forum has helped me in so many ways and i am so happy i found it. would your post be different or more understanding if we were all alcoholic anonymous??? or if we were all paralyzed from the neck down?? would you tell them to just get up deal with it and get over it??? no of course not. because you can see their ailments and struggles. just because you may not see it or understand it doesn't mean you can come on here and tell us to just "get over it" it's people like you why this forum is created in the first place!!!

why don't you get over your ignorance and just DEAL WITH IT!!!

It's really easy to close a browser if you don't like what you see. It's even easier to not join a forum that you think is pitiful.

you always have something smart to say!!!

I really think there's a big difference between self pity and looking to get the support you need to make a better life for yourself.

There is some of that (self pity) here, but mostly we're a support group for each other and many people need that to continue moving forward.

you always have something smart to say!!!

Well, thanks :o I've heard something close to that all my life, but there's usually been another syllable right after "smart" :D

Wait, was that self pity? OH the WOE. :: puts back of hand on forehead and exhibits signs of great angst ::

I just .... felt the need to say.... something.
Eventhough MyK covered pretty much everything.

you know? I don't really know that many people here yet, but ive the intuition to know its a tight-knit community with those that participate, and you, sir. do not.

You with all 3 of your posts come here. Unarmed. uneducated about the forum, and it's users with no regard as to who you may be hurting, or deterring from talking.
how..... dare you, man, what the hell is wrong with you?
on a lighter note:
Everyone is really f'n happy that you seem to be doing better with (ADD-I) than everyone else.

self-pity party?5 years ago majority opinion was that ADD was a disorder which needed to be eradicated here
- turns out that we just needed to know that we weren't mad.

I'd say more pity of nonADD ways.

Not ADDer self-pity.

We've had several posters bring up the same thing about this board being one big pity party. I, like the others disagree with your assessment.

Granted, there are some of us who cannot move past the pain, and choose to remain there. And despite the support and encouragement they recieve, are determined not to take action.

This is a supportive community, and most of us come here for just that. We come to seek understanding for things we might have a challenge with that others may not. I think those who frequently come here to post can easily recognize legitmate pain and self defeating behaviour. We are all too familar with the obstacles and hurdles that come with ADHD.

If your intention was to help and motivate others, I'd say you missed your mark.

Everyone is really f'n happy that you seem to be doing better with (ADD-I) than everyone else.

Someone tell Freddie that my sig is dangerously close to being changed.

5 years ago majority opinion was that ADD was a disorder which needed to be eradicated here
- turns out that we just needed to know that we weren't mad.
Exactly.

Dear Mori,

Welcome to the forum! I was totally not offended by your post! Why? Who cares? It's your opinion. Your entitled. And please feel free to express the same about my posts. Take what you like and leave the rest.

It is interesting though that you kept coming back to read more. Maybe there is something here that you need?

I come because it helps me learn a little bit more about myself. I often get validation. And sometimes, heaven forbid, I come & I .... ***** & moan!!

I am very grateful to have a place like this to go to and express myself. I am also happy just to read some of the posts. If I don't like what I read, I just move on.

Hopefully you'll find some worth in some of what you read and it will help you with the management of your own ADD symptoms.

Everyone is really f'n happy that you seem to be doing better with (ADD-I) than everyone else.

LOL..

You know, I was thinking the exact same thing! How do you have ADHD, even for a few minutes, and come away with compassion as deep as a puddle? :p How do you endure the beating on your self esteem day after day, year after year, and then suddenly decide it was bought on by one's self? :confused:

Sorry, I suppose I should excercise more compassion and understanding but today isn't it! :p

Welcome to the forum! I was totally not offended by your post! Why? Who cares? It's your opinion. Your entitled.

i have to agree with you that it is this persons opinion and they are allowed to say whatever they want... my only issue with this particular post was it felt a bit of an attack... as if i can just change my brain chemistry and stop whatever negative behaviors i have..

i suppose i could have taken the higher ground and made my point in a way that wasn't so crass. but this was one time i felt i had to just get be (a little too) honest. i am happy to see so many of you eloquently respectfully disagree and get your point across. this is the perfect example as to why we are so misunderstood, and what a wonderful way to represent who we are as people with ad/hd, add.

im wondering where the reply is from the original poster???? i wouldn't mind hearing a follow through or rebuttal!!!

im wondering where the reply is from the original poster???? i wouldn't mind hearing a follow through

Hee, hee .... I'm hoping Mori will write back too!! I think secretly, in the deep, deep crevices of his heart, he really loves us all!!! :D

That last post really wasn't sarcasm...(well, maybe a little)....but I really think there is alot good stuff in this forum if he pokes around!

Memento,
That was a well structured and organized post. No mis-spelings or blatant grammatical errors. You appear to be of moderate to high intelligence...

Guess that's why I'm bewildered as to the reason you would do something so stupid as to introduce yourself by basically attacking the entire forum. Doesn't make sense.

For the most part, I agree with your ideas of personal responsibility, accountability, and the integrity one should have when dealing with personal issues. However, you seem to forget that the lessons we remember the most, the one's that really stick with us, are the one's we learn on our own.

No amount of putting people down for who they are is going to be received well, nor will anybody hear what you have to say. You can't order someone to change, they have to do it themselves.

Support people, lead by example, inspire them, be the change you want.... instead of writing some pity-party post about everybody else writing pity-party posts (<---which isn't true, anyway).

Memento,
That was a well structured and organized post. No mis-spelings or blatant grammatical errors. You appear to be of moderate to high intelligence...

Guess that's why I'm bewildered as to the reason you would do something so stupid as to introduce yourself by basically attacking the entire forum. Doesn't make sense.

For the most part, I agree with your ideas of personal responsibility, accountability, and the integrity one should have when dealing with personal issues. However, you seem to forget that the lessons we remember the most, the one's that really stick with us, are the one's we learn on our own.

No amount of putting people down for who they are is going to be received well, nor will anybody hear what you have to say. You can't order someone to change, they have to do it themselves.

Support people, lead by example, inspire them, be the change you want.... instead of writing some pity-party post about everybody else writing pity-party posts (<---which isn't true, anyway).
That's a more eloquent way of saying how I feel about it, but didn't bother to write. Glad someone did. :)

But you know what? It is YOUR fault you didn't know what was afflicting you sooner. You could have started that long, arduous journey way back when and you didn't. You allowed your life to become moldy and stale by choosing despair over possibilities.Ok, I'm sorry but that's just a steaming load of crap, to put it lightly.

I, and many others here, were misdiagnosed or simply missed by docs for years before receiving a proper diagnosis, by no fault of our own. It is unfair to attack people saying they were just lazy for not finding out sooner and preferred to wander around knowing something was wrong but choosing to do nothing. That's simply not accurate for what I believe to be the majority of people here.

I've been trying for years to piece together what 'n all was causing my obvious imbalances and such. Like 12 years. After a ton of docs, trying a lot of different meds, and the advancement of the ways of thinking in the medical community, I have finally found my proper balance. Just because I was unable to jump to something I had no way of knowing from the very beginning, particularly because my symptoms were not considered indicative of or serious enough to constitute my conditions in the eyes of the medical community, and I had many problems as a result, does not mean it's my fault I didn't know what was afflicting me sooner.

I could use the example of the hypothyroidism in my family. I've had symptoms for years but because my levels weren't considered low enough by the standards of the time, I went untreated despite regular testing and many doctors. Now that things have changed and docs are looking at what is "normal" or too low differently, my father and I are finally receiving the treatment we need, and have probably needed for years.

Is it our fault we weren't able to receive that treatment sooner? Was the resulting depression, fatigue, weight gain, and hair loss OUR FAULT? The symptoms were beyond our control and the diagnosis was beyond our control.

This would mirror the way my ADD diagnosis went as well and would seem to mirror a lot of people's experiences here.


While I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion so your generalizations about the mood of the board are yours to have, I think you grossly misstated things on the part I mentioned abouve. And that's not just an opinion I disagree with, I believe that statement is simply untrue.

or does this forum come off to others as a self-pity party?I hadn't noticed! :eek: Does this mean my medication is working too well? :cool:


And believe me, it will be brief.We'll let Lunacie be the judge of that! :p

I have navigated this forum for some time now prior to registering and couldn't help but notice the repetitive pitiful threads one after another.Depression clouds our judgment.

Seriously, why is EVERY bad choice, regret, mistake, etc. all blamed on AD/HD? This make me question what planet I wake up and live on. I mean, what the hell happened to individual responsibility for EVERY choice you make of EVERY second you are alive. It is disheartening to know their are masses of people that continually fail to recognize what is thought to be a fundamental principle of being alive.Masses?

The melodrama and self-pity on this forum is profound, and what doesn't help this forum is that the apathy shared amongst new members and the older members.This could use a rewrite for clarity - happens to me all the time.

Again, before you think you need to retaliate understand first this isn't an attack to people who suffer from AD/HD. I, too, suffer from it (ADD-I) and recently discovered it to be one issue that has been indirectly affecting me for quite some time, but god dammit I don't throw a melodramatic, self-pity party.My ADHD has always affected me directly. Come to think of it, most people I know are directly affected by their ADHD.

What this post comes down to is people need to start accepting the choices they have made for their life. For some I bet it took a long time and many obstacles to come to the realization and qualified medical diagnosis that you have AD/HD.My daughter lives in Ontario and is having a terrible time trying to get a referral for assessment. Can you recommend someone?

But you know what? It is YOUR fault you didn't know what was afflicting you sooner. You could have started that long, arduous journey way back when and you didn't. You allowed your life to become moldy and stale by choosing despair over possibilities.Blaming the victim? A lot of us were abused as children and have had to work through bullying behavior.

Meanwhile you are still wallowing in pity that your life isn't where you want it to be, your life is perpetually fleeting from you but you have become to ignorant to see otherwise. Instead you choose to be melodramatic and pitiful by posting such on an internet forum.Welcome to our nightmare.

Well you know what? Shut the hell up and get away from the computer.And miss this? Not on your life, bud.

better than beating your self like a dead horse.Why bother when we have others who are happy to do it?

The only reason you cannot attain the life you want is YOU. You and only you possess the intent to create your path and the medication is only a compass to a different direction/destination. That's that.I'm guessing fifteen?

it's people like this, that are making it hard for myself and others to get the help they need.

after hearing from my own best friend tonight "i don't think you have ADD", what the heck? let's just hear all the negative stuff straight from someone who has it? WHY NOT!?!? sounds like soooo much fun.

scuse me.

Someone tell Freddie that my sig is dangerously close to being changed.



Do it man, I dare you, and so does freddie.

Do it man, I dare you, and so does freddie.

I mentioned it to Freddie, and he said a bunch of stuff about the abyss, and women, something about religion's place in the world and he kept trying to sound all "German" by talking about some übermensch thingy. Finally i dropped it.

You just can't argue with a dead philosopher.

self pleasure

You, sir, strike me as the kind of person who would sit down in a sauna and complain about the heat. Talking about our problems is the very reason this place exists! We come here because we can't exactly wax lyrical about our disorders to our coworkers or friends.

By posting here, we are trying to deal with our problems. Even if what we say sometimes sounds self-piteous, it is an attempt to better ourselves. We can't get over our problems by ignoring the things we feel sorry about! It is ironic that you attack us for doing the very thing you say we should be doing. And we are not just helping ourselves here. We are also trying to help others, which is more than you can say for yourself.

The internet is a big place. Why do you feel the need to come here and explain how much better you are than us? Perhaps you are the one that needs to get over your self-pity? Also, chosing a name that translates to "remember we're all going to die" does not exactly scream "I'm pity-free!".

PS, that's a neat trick you have there -- disclaiming that it's an attack before attacking? That would be a bit like me saying "honestly, I don't mean to attack your intelligence, but you are about as sharp as a beach ball". But I would never say anything like that :D

That would be a bit like me saying "honestly, I don't mean to attack your intelligence, but you are about as sharp as a beach ball". But I would never say anything like that :D

Wait a minute.....I see what you did there! :D

Just to quote a younger generation(not that I am too old) "WHATEVER"! Mori!
Being self expressive is a right..we all deserve..if you disapprove than just don't read it.
I am new here, but have been welcomed, and treated very respectful.
Everyone deals with daily occurences differently and thats what makes each of us an individual.

I'm surprised that even an ADD forum has trolls! I thought they all stayed in Playstation 3 forums or something :)

Wow!

I'm new to posting and interacting here too, but Memento Mori ... it's hard for me to read your post and not think to myself that you're nothing but a poser - an adhd-denier just looking to stir things up.

Well, you have ... good work!

Personally, I lived the first 37 years of my life with undiagnosed adhd. And BELIEVE ME ... it wasn't from a lack of working on things during those 37 years. Far from it!

I have yet to meet a person with adhd who believes that it's a crutch, or worse, a debilitating disease that causes all the bad things in their life to happen. On the contrary ... I find people relieved with the knowledge to overcome their obsticles.

Every person that walks the planet has now and again, what you broadly label as a "pity party". Every person that walks the planet struggles with things, has bouts of insecurity, and frustrations about life. And the crazy, whacky, UNBELIEVEABLE thing ... is that most people turn to their peer group, those who would understand the most, to help resolve those issues.

When I have a business problem, I turn to others in my business. Make sense? So if having an adhd problem, wouldn't it then make sense to turn to others with adhd?

Funny thing is ... I came into the forum today to share a struggle, or shall I now say, to have a pity party. Being that I don't see adhd as an excuse for anything, nor do I place responsibility for my life on anyone else's shoulders other than my own, would I be better off keeping my struggle to myself?

Maybe you think I should add a good-old, self-talk beat-down to boot! Afterall ... we agree that everything in my life is indeed my responsibility ...

I've changed my mind ... nevermind the sharing ... it's time for me to CRACK THE WHIP!!!

self pity- this has been bothering me since yesterday -
- it's important,
I think -

- ADDers are intense -
- we burn people when
we're on fire (we're often of fire) -

- when we're on a downer
- we self-annhilate
- not -
- I don't think that we're actually even capable of self-pity
(is what I'm getting at here).

We *know*
- the meaning of 'dull'

boredom
- fear thereof
perpetual motion
~our trigger~

- the thought of self-pity -???-
(== bemoaning the deck we were dealt
-without-
any attempt to move on)

just not us -

- if there's no escape
- we'll just plain cut off own limbs to 'feel'
~alive ~

not whimper -

heck !
- even the thought
bores me.

The science bit

If you'd like the biological basis to this idea
- it's simply that

- our evolutionary ascent has been intertwined with a tussle between

endorphins (cf. morphine) -> working against <- dopamine (cf. cocaine)

As we know - dexedrine falls into the right hand side of this dual -
and as we also know - we're taking drugs to bolster the right hand side (dopamine,amphetamine) of this balancing act -

- lift the right -
- and the left must follow -

- lift the left -
- and the right must play catch-up -

that's the deal
- a mind defining reciprocation -

- whereby the unidirectional nature of evolution (my signature) - absolutely
requires the tussle to edge ever higher -
(- incidentally -
the reason why the Tree of Knowledge was also the tree of good and evil).

Hold onto the idea of 'what is evil ?'
- and you'll see meaning -
'evil' is an entirely subjective construct to species 'man with mind'.

- and the left must follow -This translates to more pain -

---meaning---

if we're on a serious downer - we would not self pity -
we'd self {-harm,-mutilate,-annhilate} -

self pity (even the thought) makes me want to gouge out my eyes
(The Pixies -> Fight club (the pattern's there))

self pity
- so very very dull.

The patten which we have observed over the last 30 or 40 years in the Western World has been of the rise in 'darker'
pleasures -

- in horror becoming mainstream -
and similar other (as above) -

in pretty pretty boys and flouncing skirts no longer holding our fascination
- of John Travolta trading in Olivia Newton John for the altogether 'faster' Uma Thurman, and intra-cardiac drug injection -

- would never have happened in 'Grease'
- not even on
stage

... ... ... so these changes in culture (sub-culture becoming mainstream) explained away by stakes rising in our 'species-defining' paradigm -

- the pleasure/pain duel -

- so pleasure
- or at least one of the key biochemicals - is
dopamine ->
and POMC encodes
<- beta-endorphin
(an endocrine (or hormonal factor)).

So - I guess that I can dismiss your suggestion on the back of reasonably standard
neuro- / endocrin -ological ->- psychology -

- however, your question then takes on other meaning.

Why would a newbie ADDer be rude to other ADDers
- especially using 'self-pity' as his charge ?

The answer'd be either

(i) Because you're not an ADDer

or

(ii) Because you're bored and know that we'll stimulate you by reacting to your insults -
'pleasure' and 'pain'
- after all

(is yours a cry for painful stimulation ?)

I think that if we're willing to examine the macabre fascination our species appears to have with pain - that we might begin to understand the drive towards the M in S & M -
- and perhaps realise that the taboo which we have placed on the exploration of the nature of our attraction to pain
(the actual reason why some actively seek pain)
- may be seen to have been counter-productive in our quest to understand the human condition.

--- dunno'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEh2N5hmPVM

I can't take your suggestion seriously; we've a few problems -

but we're just not dull
- not even close.

Qu'est-ce que vous cherchez? Indeed.

- I don't think that we're actually even capable of self-pity

This crystalises something that I noticed a long time ago. Anytime I start get into a funk and feel bad for myself, I almost instantly bounce back. Like, I could be utterly depressed, and then BAM, the next morning I'm just normal.

I wondered for the longest time how my friends could maintain bad feelings for so long. Then when I was finally diagnosed, my erratic mood made so much sense... viewed through the frame of ADHD, it's just persistent boredom with the status-quo.

But it's a two-way street. I am rarely really happy for more than a day or two. I've never been interested in a specific member of the opposite sex for more than a couple of days. Between that and social awkwardness, by the time I'm ready to make a move, I've lost interest in making the move!

It's like, "oh, I feel bad, I wish I wasn't so... hmm, I wonder how flies can land upside-down?".

But I digress, navel-gazing is not the focus of this thread. We are supposed to be making fun of someone who is attacking us for navel-gazing. :rolleyes:

Qu'est-ce que vous cherchez? Indeed.


les évangiles du mal ...?...

as ... ...productive in our quest to understand the human condition.

I could be utterly depressed, and then BAM ... ...

- we bounce from extreme to extreme -


but there's an end in sight :-)

- as Agent Smith and Neo shoot higher into the air locked in combat -
- they're about to find that they're both far above the Earth's atmosphere -
- instantaneously before they both die through asphyxiation -

- not at the hands of one another
(as such) -

- merely because they'd missed the whole point of how neither could exist without the other -

- and that victory for one in a competition which was fixed in stalemate -

could not be done,

was never the point,

was not an option.

If only the two of them had've popped down to the Oracle's for tea and biscuits -

- I'm sure that the three could have brainstormed collaboration upon much more pleasant life -
- at least more pleasant than the unpleasant death which I've just reworked their tussle into conclusion over.

And all for competition
- when what's there to win ?

Qu'est-ce que vous voulez gagner ?

(we're barely real :-) )

For what it's worth, I agree with Memento Mori on some things. I know this forum sees itself as a supportive community (which it is), but the dark side of a supportive community is a self-righteous mob. Everyone complains that they are tired of the herd mentality - until they find a herd with the same mentality.

I don't mean everyone here is full of self-pity and unwilling to accept personal responsibility for change - there is a lot of positive, intelligent discussion on these forums. I do think that there is a tendency to blame everything on ADD/ADHD. I'm referring to some of the posts about relationships, eating, drugs, housework, jobs, studying, etc. I don't know anybody who doesn't have problems with these things - ADHD or not.

Honestly, I think half the people I meet are ignorant, self-absorbed whiners - do you really think ADDers are different? Admittedly, we're generally a more interesting bunch, but just as self-centered.

I can't believe there are people living in the modern world, in the age of the computer, who still believe in baseless superstitions like 'free will'. Please tell me more about the magic force in your head that does not obey any laws of physics and deliberately rules over the mechanisms of your brain. I'm dying to meet it, or better yet see scientific evidence that it exists or a logical explanation for how it possibly ever could. :D

What makes your magic free will force do different things than other people's? Why do they seem to follow specific patterns of behaviour if at any given moment they can 'choose' to buck that trend? When things follow predictable patterns of behaviour it is because something in their design makes them that way... so your magic free will force can't have free will afterall, if it is controlled by its own design!

Even flat Earth theory makes more sense than that.

Good points, prtsimmons, but we need to remind ourselves that not everyone posting on ADDForums has ADHD or even really knows much about it.

I don't mean everyone here is full of self-pity and unwilling to accept personal responsibility for change - there is a lot of positive, intelligent discussion on these forums. I do think that there is a tendency to blame everything on ADD/ADHD. I'm referring to some of the posts about relationships, eating, drugs, housework, jobs, studying, etc. I don't know anybody who doesn't have problems with these things - ADHD or not.

Yes, but don't you think that the problems in my life I don't blame on ADD just might not come up in an ADD forum?

Let's say I have 10 problems. 2 are caused by ADD so that's 20%. On the ADD forum, I'm likely to put both those problems out there, and if I really feel good about a forum, maybe one of the other ones. So, now it's 2 out of 2 or 2 out of 3. Get a whole forum together like that and now if you didn't use your brain, you may think everyone blames every one of their problems on ADD.

Just no point in discussing issues I have with integrating a combined household and dealing with kids of different ages. Doesn't apply to this forum. Man that was long winded!

Honestly, I think half the people I meet are ignorant, self-absorbed whiners - do you really think ADDers are different? Admittedly, we're generally a more interesting bunch, but just as self-centered.

Never really met ADD people in person at least where we acknowledged the ADD, but I would imagine there are plenty of self centered people. Maybe in the undiagnosed or newly diagnosed though, less, because they tend to think they're losers or lazy, etc. In people who are comfortable with it, a tendency to focus on their good qualities though, so self-centered maybe.

Ignorant and whiners? Not really. I think we as a group put up with quite a lot before we start whining.

(we're barely real :-) )


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I am an avid believer in people emphasizing their positive traits, if the person who started this thread would look in the Misc. Treatments section you would see a thread for Positive Psychology that promotes that.

Stigma may be part of the mentality that sends the message of 'self-pity'. I think even then it is highly unlikely. The only negativity I see around here is the first post.

I am trying to do some research into online forum behavior and I hope I am not being rude but in my childhood development class we called this kind of behavior, attention seeking, it being infantile, rude judgmental and lacking any objectivity whatsoever and all and the only thing I could think of that this seems to suggest is here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) I hope I am not being rude but considering the nature of the first post I can't help but think there is some sort of bait here.

I happen to be a pretty happy guy who has some impairments that meds help me with so I can manage my life so to insist that I wallow in self-pity is not exactly polite, considerate and suggests that the original poster has no empathy for people who are seeking a place for support and understanding.

This is a support and information resources information community, right?

I am an avid believer in people emphasizing their positive traits, if the person who started this thread would look in the Misc. Treatments section you would see a thread for Positive Psychology that promotes that.

Stigma may be part of the mentality that sends the message of 'self-pity'. I think even then it is highly unlikely. The only negativity I see around here is the first post.

I am trying to do some research into online forum behavior and I hope I am not being rude but in my childhood development class we called this kind of behavior, attention seeking, it being infantile, rude judgmental and lacking any objectivity whatsoever and all and the only thing I could think of that this seems to suggest is here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet) I hope I am not being rude but considering the nature of the first post I can't help but think there is some sort of bait here.

I happen to be a pretty happy guy who has some impairments that meds help me with so I can manage my life so to insist that I wallow in self-pity is not exactly polite, considerate and suggests that the original poster has no empathy for people who are seeking a place for support and understanding.

This is a support and information resources information community, right?

Would you quit throwing yourself a pity party? Have some self respect and buckle down, it'll pass, everyone's that way! :p

your life isn't where you want it to be

make your life what you want it to be.

well put, well put. thanks, Mem. ;) WELL PUT EVERYONE

THIS is a FORUM for discussing and treating a common ailment.. just like any other, i suppose.. it's like going to a hospital when you are injured, you know?:) for most of us..

THIS forum participation may itself be a step of choice for us, not unlike a favorite magazine or food...

LIKE MOST places, there are going to be EXPERIENCED individuals making routine-like input around and into those places for as time requires them...

Mori, I must say that the positivity in your own life just absolutely radiates through your initial post in this thread. You are like a beacon of light in the darkness, here to illuminate all us pity seeking losers wallowing in our own filth of ADD induced problems. Perhaps you should share with us the things that have made your life such a positive experience that you are better than everyone else. :rolleyes:

I noticed that you've posted thrice, and so far 2 were basically suggestions about making the forum less cluttered by everyone's repeated posts on the same topics, and now you have gone out of your way to create something not often seen on here. Bravo! Your flaming post was certainly something different.;)

I certainly agree with some of what you said. You just presented it in such a negative way that you lost the meaning of the post in the hateful way in which you put it. I myself suggested a positive forum on here for inspiration, and I firmly believe in trying to better onesself and not to wallow in the problems that we face. However, I also see the need to have a place to come with those problems, as nobody else in day to day life seems to understand them or us. It keeps one sane to know that others have the same issues or feel the same way when everyone else around you looks at things so differently.

"But you know what? It is YOUR fault you didn't know what was afflicting you sooner. You could have started that long, arduous journey way back when and you didn't. You allowed your life to become moldy and stale by choosing despair over possibilities. "

You have no idea what you are talking about. I fought problems my whole life, and as a perfectionist I beat myself daily about them. I looked for answers but didn't know what I was even looking for. Many others have been misdiagnosed or just go through life thinking poorly of themselves because nobody has told them what the problem is yet. I fought my problems, but without knowing where they were coming from, I was fighting a battle I could not win. Now that I know what the problems are and where they come from, I can attack the cause moreso than the symptoms, and it will get better. I didn't start the journey until recently, at the age of 30, because I didn't know what the problem was, and frankly, my case is not as severe as some. There was no way for me to overcome them until I found out, and it was by chance that I even found out about ADD in the first place.

You just sound so angry and bitter. Perhaps if you made some better choices in life you wouldn't feel that way. After all, it is all in your control, right? Since you have such a wonderful life to lead out there, please follow your own advice and step away from the computer. It obviously doesn't make you happy in the least, as you seem to have come here only to complain, so go chase your happiness elsewhere. I don't know why you even came in the first place, since the site is poorly organized, we don't know what we are talking about, and it is nothing more than a melodrama. Who would want to be around that? Surely not you.:p

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For that youtube embed you should be punished.

For everything else you should be rewarded.

Then punished again for the embed.

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I'll second that. Do we have a 3rd?

That was horrendous. Just horrible.

I like to keep an open mind.. everyone is of course entitled to their own opinions.

And, while I did agree with alot of what you said in your post... I also couldn't help but feel ashamed.

It has been months, maybe even a year since I been back to these forums.. and, I only returned yesterday after feeling quite miserable.

Yes, I am aware that the problems in my life are MINE, yes I am aware of the fact that they wont solve themselves... yes, I am very aware that sitting around on in front of the computer is defeating, and yes I am beating a dead horse.

After reading your post you actually had me feeling ashamed. Ashamed that I "aired my dirty laundry" into a public forum......ashamed that I opened myself up and let strangers into my world of problems.... ashamed that instead fixing MY problems.. I wrote my problems down and FAILED to do anything about them.


I am very aware of the fact that I fail alot of the things I attempt to do.

Like another poster said, I didnt come here to have people tell me all the things I already know.

I came here for support, I came here to unburden my shoulders for at least the 5mins it took to write my thread. To relieve the stress and the tension of all the thoughts and emotions I bombard myself daily that, quite honestly are exactly the same things you wrote.


I dont know what you are trying to achieve with your thread.

If anything, your thread may sadly prevent other people from expressing themselves for fear of shame... the same shame that you inadvertently or purposely assaulted me with by starting this thread and insulting those people that according to you are throwing pity parties.

If it was meant to be inspirational, you really need to be a little more sensitive and change the tone of your post.

But you know what? It is YOUR fault you didn't know what was afflicting you sooner. You could have started that long, arduous journey way back when and you didn't. You allowed your life to become moldy and stale by choosing despair over possibilities.



The journey to a new and strange country can only begin if you know there even is a country to journey to.
Before I could not even remotely begin to realise what was going on. Many of the different things happening in my life did not even seem related.

And I do not wallow in self-pity. Even with all the trouble and the setbacks it is causing me, I still consider ADD a blessing and not a curse, and I would not have it otherwise.

Don't be ashamed of anything. Why be shamed by an unhappy person that is telling you to be happy? What could you possibly learn from such a person?

I like to keep an open mind.. everyone is of course entitled to their own opinions.

And, while I did agree with alot of what you said in your post... I also couldn't help but feel ashamed.

...

Don't give them that power- having the guts to look for support and community is nothing to be ashamed of.

he's not wearing any underpants

he's not wearing any underpantsI repeat: who in their right mind would want to miss this? :cool:

That was horrendous

cod piece (aye !)

That original post, sounded just like my mother or the friend I just booted out of my life. Self-rightious and narcisstic.

I am sure the poster got an incredible high off the whole thing. The poster hurt some member's feelings. The poster angered other members. The poster got attention, which is precisely what they wanted in the first place.

Taffy

Would you quit throwing yourself a pity party? Have some self respect and buckle down, it'll pass, everyone's that way! :p

Man, I can't help it. I guess I have to play the victim when I consider myself a happy guy or else I wouldn't fit in, you know? Memento Mori appears to be a happy person, we could Private Message each other and project our positivity to one another by talking trash about the pity party forum.

That's happiness. LOL :p

Or he/she could take the time to really browse the forums, by doing a search using the words such as "positive" or "success" and come up with something good. Chit Chat seems to be positive too, but that is just a suggestion to help a fellow member.

cod piece (aye !)

Word up (sucka' dee-jay)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKmtsN_gzMM

That original post, sounded just like my mother or the friend I just booted out of my life. Self-rightious and narcisstic.

I am sure the poster got an incredible high off the whole thing. The poster hurt some member's feelings. The poster angered other members. The poster got attention, which is precisely what they wanted in the first place.

Taffy

People like that will get depressed if they are ignored.

have you ever noticed that your mirrored sunglasses look as though they're drinking in the beauty of a large red cod piece gyrating in action at Hooters ?

(the warm up act) -

he's called Lola -

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Lola.

Matt S. must be back.:mad: Under that name, the rumors were true and I am freaked out now.

That's it, I am leaving again, that was the guy that made me too scared to join to begin with.

Intelligent, bipolar and narcissistic, the combination of hell.:eek::eek:

Ok.. the poster of course got what they wanted. To cause an uproar. Which .. by answering everyone has fed the need for attention.

Sickle.. don't be chased away.. just because of this. Trolls come..and trolls go. There are always going to be trolls in our life. We can stay strong ...and find new friends, who aren't out to hurt us with the words they use.

I have had many trolls in my life...and I've moved forward. It's just a part of growing upwards and outwards.

Let's find a new bridge to cross .. and leave the bad feelings and the trolls behind. :)

Whoever heard of a cod piece tying the room together?

It's an Oriental shag!

Eight - 8 - oh - ate.

As 4 Hooters - I go there 4 the delicious wings, not the hot n spicy fish. :D

I think even though the original poster was a troll, this thread will still help people. It has a lot of good info, and shows how the community reacts but doesn't overreact. Good stuff.

Now I remember! It wasn't Neddie and the Hooters, it was Hootie & the Blowfish!

It's an Oriental shag!

oh, I see -
A cod piece would rather get in the way.

Maybe if we could install a flip-top lid
- you know youknow youknow -


for when people want to

(whispering - yeah !)

;) yeah - yeahyeahyeah ! *I* know
no worries

sure - appreciated



:cool: watch :cool:

Now I remember! It wasn't Neddie and the Hooters, it was Hootie & the Blowfish!
Hootie Rocks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1tLzUlK4EI

Have we sufficiently taken this trolls thread off-topic yet?

I have yet to meet a person with adhd who believes that it's a crutch, or worse, a debilitating disease that causes all the bad things in their life to happen. On the contrary ... I find people relieved with the knowledge to overcome their obsticles.

i can't begin to tell you how much i agree with your comment!!!

Now I remember! It wasn't Neddie and the Hooters, it was Hootie & the Blowfish!

cod pieces may be removed, rotated and used as protective shields -
- this is how Hootie avoided succumbing to the blowfish on first contact
- shall we say ?

He won their respect and later they became very good friends; apparently their first song was an adaptation of a lullaby which Hootie used to sing to the fish people as they bobbed restlessly next to him in his specially modified water bed

- unable to sleep.

oh, I see -
A cod piece would rather get in the way.

Maybe if we could install a flip-top lid
- you know youknow youknow -


for when people want to

(whispering - yeah !)

;) yeah - yeahyeahyeah ! *I* know
no worries

sure - appreciated



:cool: watch :cool:


cod pieces may be removed, rotated and used as protective shields -
- this is how Hootie avoided succumbing to the blowfish on first contact
- shall we say ?

He won their respect and later they became very good friends; apparently their first song was an adaptation of a lullaby which Hootie used to sing to the fish people as they bobbed restlessly next to him in his specially modified water bed

- unable to sleep.
I'm going to have to put you on the ignore list. I'm obsessing about the fact that I can't understand your posts and seemingly everyone else can. It's giving me a complex! :)

Is there a Godwin's Law of Hootie?

there should be

Were there codpieces in Grafter's video? I was afraid to look.

Have we sufficiently taken this trolls thread off-topic yet?

ok
- back on topic then it is.

when the blow fish couldn't sleep, they often pitied themselves;
they didn't ever have ADD though
- weren't from around these parts.

Anyway
- that's it really -
only aliens to these fine shores self-pity

ADDers don't
we do 'stuff' -
generally weird stuff -

- but we get there in the end

itsa'da' joiny

you know - life -

sa'joiney

isn't it ?

just vaguely the right direction is fine -
it's a 1 in 2 -
- where intelligence reduces the odds down to guaranteed
cert.

or does this forum come off to others as a self-pity party?

I can just imagine the SNS activating at full-speed in the reader with a flood of thoughts and feelings storming over, BUT before you become despondent from this post (because it is your choice) let me finish what I must say. And believe me, it will be brief.

I have navigated this forum for some time now prior to registering and couldn't help but notice the repetitive pitiful threads one after another.

Seriously, why is EVERY bad choice, regret, mistake, etc. all blamed on AD/HD? This make me question what planet I wake up and live on. I mean, what the hell happened to individual responsibility for EVERY choice you make of EVERY second you are alive. It is disheartening to know their are masses of people that continually fail to recognize what is thought to be a fundamental principle of being alive.

The melodrama and self-pity on this forum is profound, and what doesn't help this forum is that the apathy shared amongst new members and the older members.

Again, before you think you need to retaliate understand first this isn't an attack to people who suffer from AD/HD. I, too, suffer from it (ADD-I) and recently discovered it to be one issue that has been indirectly affecting me for quite some time, but god dammit I don't throw a melodramatic, self-pity party.

What this post comes down to is people need to start accepting the choices they have made for their life. For some I bet it took a long time and many obstacles to come to the realization and qualified medical diagnosis that you have AD/HD.

But you know what? It is YOUR fault you didn't know what was afflicting you sooner. You could have started that long, arduous journey way back when and you didn't. You allowed your life to become moldy and stale by choosing despair over possibilities.

Meanwhile you are still wallowing in pity that your life isn't where you want it to be, your life is perpetually fleeting from you but you have become to ignorant to see otherwise. Instead you choose to be melodramatic and pitiful by posting such on an internet forum.

Well you know what? Shut the hell up and get away from the computer. Get off your *** and make your life what you want it to be. Get over your self, realize your problems are waiting for YOU to get over them, not the opposite. Your problems are waiting for YOU to take back control, YOU don't have to accept them as a part of YOUR life.

Do you understand how self-defeating that is?

All you can do is accept what has been and move on. Move on with action to the next moment and all moments that follow then with soon enough the cascade of moments will become something better. An unknown something better is better than beating your self like a dead horse.

The only reason you cannot attain the life you want is YOU. You and only you possess the intent to create your path and the medication is only a compass to a different direction/destination. That's that.

Hmmm...I actually read this last night and wanted to ruminate on it for some time before responding. I know if I didn't I would've responded more or less in a despondent manner as MM pointed out like many people already have. I actualy think that if you took MM's statement as a slam you associate yourself with the people he was referring to, rather than taking it as merely a statement of opinion.

Before I begin, I think a lot of the previous responses carry an ever greater tone of ignorance than MM's post. Why? Because the people that responded with the despondency MM predicted is now so with vengeance. So, what better are you for responding like that? As another ADD'er to another it's always best to refrain from the first impulse. Those are the ones that usually result in unneeded criticism.

I believe it was the visceral language in which MM employed that made the tone of the statement implicate a dismissal of things he/she may or may not even have knowledge of. In general people become defensive when someone else's knowledge clashes and contradicts their knowledge of it whether or not the origin is there or not.

Anyway, what do I think of MM's statement? A many, many things to be as honest and indecisive as I'm infamously known to be.

I guess I'll start with this...like MM, I, too, become sick and tired of people who simply don't think of themselves as more to make something more of themselves. The people who settle for contentment and never what they could've done. What most people (add & non-add) fail to understand is the loneliness that evolves and infects at the end every misspent day. Over time that can do a lot of damage to one's entire being, and even sometimes result in misdirected and misunderstood venting.

I think one of the points MM jarringly alluded to is that at this very moment is what you have control of, so make the best effort with this actions to learn from the past so you're not committing the same mistakes over and over. I also think MM was implying that the perceived pity/regret/melodrama can only be useful to when it ceases to motivate you to make things better for yourself right now.

Throughout the rest of MM's post there's definite unmentioned, profound amounts of variability in what could've been different for individuals. I would bet anything that each person MM was referring to wishes they would've done this or that better, but where would any of us be without wishful thinking.

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Maybe, at the very least MM's thread can and should give insight to why it's so difficult to treat ADD and unfortunately the other various mental illness' that pursue you at the perfect speed.

As far as the statement you made regarding medication, that's also highly variable. Some people respond immediately to the first prescribed medication, others it can take months even years to figure out what is best. With that can come even greater amounts of despair and delusion. Then the realization of other possibilities you speak of will take even longer to manifest themselves into the individuals everyday thought and perception. It's unfortuante that's the way it is, but try to understand that sometimes self-defeat and self-limit is unavoidable and necessary. I've been there, where you feel trapped by this overly constrictive mental reality that doesn't allow a simple move from one point to the next.

And my wishful thinking for MM is this, there's tremendous benefit and value in taking the time in trying to understand those who suffer more than you. Instead of comparing yourself to the one's that never learned the rules, the one's who are ready to be saved by a helping hand, the one's who maintain a sense of self despite bad luck following like a tail, the one's who wear their heartbreak on their sleeve, the one's who wake up every morning with a heartache that doesn't fade with time. If you cannot see and feel for them then you fail at your own gospel.

The universe is big, MM, and the belief we share for sure is the control over our actions, our selves. Unlike the despondent responders I have a feeling your post was meant to evoke the simplicity of personal responsibility, but that's a hard thing to perfect and more so harder to express. Just realize that not everyone has the ability to effortlessly attain the greater level of understanding you possess.

Ultimately, I believe that both happiness and suffering are the result of the choices an individual makes. It's just unfortunate that suffering always is the one that bakes the cake and eats it, too.That's life though, it sucks but get over it and eat some grapes.

Take a break, have a jazz

Allie


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Have we sufficiently taken this trolls thread off-topic yet?No. I love this one by Hootie & the Blowfish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V3YuBLI_r8

It's a deep sorrow as the words I've said are said time and time again in the echos of my mind, MM's post is that, one more day when that insistent voice that says I have control, it's all in my mind, lets let life take its course, I've acted stupidly until this day but tommorow it will be different, tommorow I will wake up a new person, put on my best face and just cope.

But then one more day passes, one more wasted day, I look at that sad post that I posted the day before, of the hope I felt, and see its folly, I read the pained replies and the anger, I've messed up once more and I won't even be able to show my face in this community which is there to help me.

But it wasn't me it was him who posted it!!!

It's in vain, I see the truth, it could just as easily have been me posting this post, on one of those hopeful days when the future is so clear and my life is just right, and I think, tommorow might be the first day of the rest of my life... :D

I'm going to have to put you on the ignore list. I'm obsessing about the fact that I can't understand posts and seemingly everyone else can. It's giving me a complex! :)Oh no, I have that, too.

I like to think of SB_UK as the forum's resident Joycean. It's all about punnage and intertextuality, and even if you don't understand the contents, you can just sit back and marvel at the way it's structured.

Also - damn you, Grafter! I'd wanted to post that Cameo vid.

Not fair.

Mr Memento,

I have been in this forum for about 2 weeks now and I have seen the melodrama and self pity that you mention but I can not say it is more "profound" than what we all see each day at school, at work or at home or what have you. In my perception (Isn't it great to have the right to have a perception?) this group is very well balanced and has great people.

I take my pills each day, feel well (No pity or drama) come to work and when my energy goes down I just come here to get some inspiration and go back to work. Once in a while one stumbles with comments like yours that can cause some people to become "despondent" (Not me, because is my choice, right?) Then I think for a bit what is the reason for such comment and if it serves me or not, and finally I decide to comment or not.

In this case I want to make a comment: I guess since you accept you have ADD-I and browse the ADD forums, is clear you are in the process to find your own answers. In such process one goes through different stages, many of them not pleasant and that's why we occasionally need to vent. I guess it's your time to vent and that's ok because this forum allows it. How cool is that?

I just want to say that I understand where you come from and the amount of suffering you have had in your life, having ADD-I (Just like me) I was really bittered by my struggle against the odds. But in spite of all, I took action, got treatment and I am here with this nice people, just like you are!

Good luck.

For some I bet it took a long time and many obstacles to come to the realization and qualified medical diagnosis that you have AD/HD.

But you know what? It is YOUR fault you didn't know what was afflicting you sooner. You could have started that long, arduous journey way back when and you didn't. You allowed your life to become moldy and stale by choosing despair over possibilities.


Its MY fault that I didn't realise I had ADHD earlier is it? Oh right, so it's nothing to do with the fact that it's barely heard of in the UK??
Dude, I only first heard of the term 'ADHD' last year and that was through pure luck! How am I supposed to consider a possibility when I don't know it exists hmmm???

... sets the characters and incidents of the Odyssey of Homer in modern Dublin and represents Odysseus (Ulysses) ...
~s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Joyce)~

that'd be the joiny (from earlier in this thread)
the 'joiney' of self-discovery

- pain required -
a goal
(to reach home)
pleasure too -

- the oldest story (it seems) -
from Homer through prophet and Joyce to ~now~

when Western and Eastern, Eastern and Western
religion and philosophy
- meet

with art and science too

- probably
best
to

listen :-)

~ meaning of life ~
~ meaning to life ~
~ meaning in life ~

imminent

[after this short commercial :-) break*]

* been a while coming
- idea$ well above its $tation

Is it just me

or do we need a new forum for this topic?

Is it just me

or do we need a new forum for this topic?Could we call it Sea World?

Could we call it Sea World?

Damn sea monkies......

never grow.

I was thinking something like The Bridge -- Cross at your own risk...

I was thinking something like The Bridge -- Cross at your own risk...Even better . . . A Bridge Over Troubled Waters. :p

Even better . . . A Bridge Over Troubled Waters. :p

I'm not sure how well those old hairy creatures can swim though. But then again... they could swim very well for all I know. :D

I'm not sure how well those old hairy creatures can swim though. :DOLD? :eek:

or does this forum come off to others as a self-pity party?

I think that it's mostly you, but there may be others like yourself that feel the same way.

I can just imagine the SNS activating at full-speed in the reader with a flood of thoughts and feelings storming over, BUT before you become despondent from this post (because it is your choice) let me finish what I must say. And believe me, it will be brief.

Let's not have room for independent thought on the concept of brief.

I have navigated this forum for some time now prior to registering and couldn't help but notice the repetitive pitiful threads one after another.

So what you're getting at is that you registered only to point this out?

Seriously, why is EVERY bad choice, regret, mistake, etc. all blamed on AD/HD?

I'd like to see evidence that this is true.

This make me question what planet I wake up and live on. I mean, what the hell happened to individual responsibility for EVERY choice you make of EVERY second you are alive.

I suppose you want us to pity you for having to live with us, right?

It is disheartening to know their are masses of people that continually fail to recognize what is thought to be a fundamental principle of being alive.

This is bordering on religion.

Again, before you think you need to retaliate understand first this isn't an attack to people who suffer from AD/HD. I, too, suffer from it (ADD-I) and recently discovered it to be one issue that has been indirectly affecting me for quite some time, but god dammit I don't throw a melodramatic, self-pity party.

We're sorry. (Let's have a pity-party for the OP.)

What this post comes down to is people need to start accepting the choices they have made for their life. For some I bet it took a long time and many obstacles to come to the realization and qualified medical diagnosis that you have AD/HD.

But you know what? It is YOUR fault you didn't know what was afflicting you sooner. You could have started that long, arduous journey way back when and you didn't. You allowed your life to become moldy and stale by choosing despair over possibilities.

Right. It's that easy. Time to go flap my arms because I don't like to rely on airplanes.

Meanwhile you are still wallowing in pity that your life isn't where you want it to be, your life is perpetually fleeting from you but you have become to ignorant to see otherwise. Instead you choose to be melodramatic and pitiful by posting such on an internet forum.

It's definitely all about choice. The poster chose to register here to point this out.

Well you know what? Shut the hell up and get away from the computer. Get off your *** and make your life what you want it to be. Get over your self, realize your problems are waiting for YOU to get over them, not the opposite. Your problems are waiting for YOU to take back control, YOU don't have to accept them as a part of YOUR life.

I've always had this problem where I can't live without oxygen and thus cannot live without it. I suppose I don't have to accept this, now do I?

Do you understand how self-defeating that is?

It's easier to feed off of oxygen than to try to separate myself from this barrier and die as a result.

All you can do is accept what has been and move on. Move on with action to the next moment and all moments that follow then with soon enough the cascade of moments will become something better. An unknown something better is better than beating your self like a dead horse.

I'll get working on a substitute for oxygen right away.

The only reason you cannot attain the life you want is YOU. You and only you possess the intent to create your path and the medication is only a compass to a different direction/destination. That's that.

Really? Yay! I'm going to live like a fish under the sea!

OLD? :eek:


I am mistaken. I do think they tend to be of the younger sort, but I think that species ages quickly.

I am mistaken. I do think they tend to be of the younger sort, but I think that species ages quickly.Indeed. They live hard.

Is Mori's 15 minutes up yet??? I'm booooored!!!

(Let's have a pity-party for the OP.)


Would that help you, FNCrazy? It might liven things up...
Or maybe it would be better to let this thread die quietly.

Would that help you, FNCrazy? It might liven things up...
Or maybe it would be better to let this thread die quietly.
Oooh, party! Oh wait, I am uncomfortable at parties.

Yeah, let's just let it die. Wait how did it get to the top? :)

Salem, I'm not far from you!

hahaha... you guys are so funny.

despite his/her original post (and i could add many adjective not necessarily explicit) use you imagination....i can't say how much i appreciate how we have all collectively adapted to the situation.

these are the qualities i admire in so many of you. ( which im sure most of us wish we had in ourselves.... but actually do, without realizing it!!!)

You really DO have to be medicated to follow this thread.

despite his/her original post (and i could add many adjective not necessarily explicit) use you imagination....i can't say how much i appreciate how we have all collectively adapted to the situation.

these are the qualities i admire in so many of you. ( which im sure most of us wish we had in ourselves.... but actually do, without realizing it!!!)

Trolls like possums can be fun if you poke them with a stick just right . . . .but don't do that with a skunk they spray smelly stuff



Even better . . . A Bridge Over Troubled Waters.

Bridge over trolled waters . . . . . that will keep us from being sued by that guy who sings bridge over troubled waters and darn it I can't think of his name -

yeah, can't follow much anymore. sorry :(

nother thread, nother time!

a [smelly] skunk

water

take it to the bridgeunderpantsthose old hairy creatures can swim though

underpants
- barely ???underpants come off -
- right?

Thread Summary

OP perp
1. smells bad
2. cogent explanation offered for the damage
- he's reeking
3. rational basis offered to end the damage
- he's wreaking
4. underlying motives (within underpants)
- in accordance with local environment
- re::eek: in ? 'nit

Conclusion

90 degree spin cycle
(numchakas)

which he will have for a while (similar to 'myachy carambas' (in principle)), however where sensitivity will return -
moreso than previously (in fact)
~ better (after) ~
whereupon he'll see that his question has garnered such generally negative reaction, because
community
- (inadvertently) wrecking, through reckless disregard for conclusion (above).

Leaving only formal introduction of Tammy's smelly skunk for HF's smell-free sop

- of course -
'before' and after 'images' of perp (MIA)

Memento mori bundo InActivation (for sunnier climes)

- dip ?
anyone ?


the blowfish people await.

Conclusion

90 degree spin cycle
(numchakas)

which he will have for a while (similar to 'myachy carambas' (in principle)), however where sensitivity will return -
moreso than previously (in fact)
~ better (after) ~
whereupon he'll see that his question has garnered such generally negative reaction, because
community
- (inadvertently) wrecking, through reckless disregard for conclusion (above).

Leaving only formal introduction of Tammy's smelly skunk for HF's smell-free sop

- of course -
'before' and after 'images' of perp (MIA)

Memento mori bundo InActivation (for sunnier climes)

- dip ?
anyone ?


the blowfish people await.

LMAO - do they the inactive blow fish people await with or with out smelly skunks in under pants? I mean every one loves company it just that some can tolerate the smell better than others

ou really DO have to be medicated to follow this thread.

Actually it made more scents to me after mine wore off :D

animal, vegetable or mineral ?

-/- -/- -/-

old hairy creatures which swimTime to go flap my arms because I don't like to rely on airplanesI'm going to live like a fish under the seawhat are you ?

Tom y knowledge
hu man - your he ... ... man ?

By the power vested in me - this is bordering on religionI'll have me a heap big soma that... ... ... In Hindu art, the god Soma was depicted as a bull or bird [or fish??] ... ... Zoroastrians were found to use Ephedra) (genus ... ... pokin' possum or smellin' skunk buttola ?

now now :-)Do you even know ??

Backwards or Forwards ?
Inside out ?
ohborderingmyonGod !!!religion
Who
are
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ADD (itself) is experiential perspective from near-distant Isles

- 'New Spirituality'

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I get very emotional about underpants, I would appreciate it if we didnt antagonize my obsession, I could end up in a fix.

Fixed under pants are more comfortable than broken ones - naturally the skunks may feel differently no one has gotten close enough to ask them except the blow fish people - and my blow fish is a bit rusty - I lost my oil can I think the tin man stole it. . .

Are we on topic yet? - Any one wined about any thing lately?

What goes best with skunks in under pants red or white wine?

Bridge over trolled waters . . . . . that will keep us from being sued by that guy who sings bridge over troubled waters and darn it I can't think of his name -

Simon & Garfunkel, FYI. :)

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where the link leads to

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where ~s (http://www.exoticindiaart.com/product/TF91/)~

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soma
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~s1 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=478986&postcount=24) ADDF [Tammy]~

~s2 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=479132&postcount=25) ADDF [HF]~

...turn (first) this way and then the
...................~rest~all backwards -
- where backwards is the new forwards

backwards
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all backwards

Variant Makes Dopamine Transporters Run Backwards : Study (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54459) (http://www.addforums.com/forums/images/misc/multipage.gif 1 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54459) 2 (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54459&page=2))
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backwards
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ADD

... ... rather gotten it backwards, haven't we ?

backwards - all
backwards -
(just as well though then)

~ since ~

backwards
(species-wide)

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~ our brand new day ~

..New Day Rising
...- Hüsker Dü -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c53K4d98w4Q

when we ourselves

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...............raelignewiospiritualityn

I got distracted back on the post about no underpants. LOL

Now what was that about a party. I didn't take my meds yesterday, and during my hyperfocus I baked 5 dozen peanut butter chocolate chips cookies in my new convection/toaster oven with the timer so they didn't burn. We can have cookies!!!

I have a boo-tiful troll picture I'd post, if I Knew how.

One part of the original post did annoy me (see my response on page 6!), but looking at it again, I do agree with a lot of the stuff Momento has said; I see a lot of people self-pitying on this forum and you're never gonna get anywhere in life doing that. It especially annoys me when people go on about ADHD being some kind of terrible disease and actually suggesting you shouldn't have children because you have it. Does my head in!

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Bridge over trolled waters . . . . . that will keep us from being sued by that guy who sings bridge over troubled waters and darn it I can't think of his name -That would be Simon and Garfunkel.

Fixed under pants are more comfortable than broken ones

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Numbers 5 and 6 are ok, but i think i will forgo the fixed underpants, if it's all the same to y'all.
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And SB_UK has undone yesterday's damage with that beautiful Hüsker Dü embed. What it lacked in codpieces it made up for in hidden underpants. If Bob was wearing any. Which he probably wasn't.

i dont think its fair to judge everyone on this forum just because add hasnt affected u as badly as others. Maybe u found out early enough in ur life to not have to have all the excess baggage of the past you haunting you every step u turn. Maybe you found out early enough for it not to affect you that much and ur diagnosis was simple and straightforward. Maybe your symptoms aren't as bad as others.

Regardless of your feelings on how others are handling their thoughts and feelings- we have the right to think and feel what we like. its the privilege in being an individual.

I found out when I was 24- when no doctor had mentioned it to me despite all the warning signs. Additionally apart from the USA other countries do not even recognise the status of add in adults. Because of that I have had to think of myself as the problem blame all past failures, bad choices and lack of judgement on myself. I have had a host of comorid disorders that are not so easy to get rid of, and now that I am getting better because of some tiny little pill which has got rid of an eating disorder that could have killed me, depression that made me want to end my life and try countless times, failures in university so many times I have a hard time thinking of myself as capable, a substance abuse problem (now rememdied but with the reminder that it killed my long-term boyfriend. I have trust issues from choosing bad boys who beat me up and friends who screwed me over because I was addicted to the drama and incapable of being still or attentive enough around normal people. Added to all this - i have the burden of knowing that my behaviour has hurt and devestated my family- but i am only now realising how my actions impact on others.

so maybe ur life is easily repairable. for others its not that simple and the road to a life is harder and requires emotional support. thats what this forum is for. u dont have to be here if u dont wanna

That would be Simon and Garfunkel.Sorry, redundant post. :o

Sorry, redundant post. :o
How DARE you! :D

Memento Mori, where are you? We've all been anxiously awaiting your response.:)

Memento Mori, where are you? We've all been anxiously awaiting your response.:)


JMVHO, but Troll's must have very busy lives. It must be hard work telling the whole world what is wrong them.

His name is Darius (don't call me Hootie) Rucker

Listen (in)JOY -

EXODUS = NEW BEGINNING(s)

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EXODUS = NEW BEGINNING(s)

New Beginning = Exodus?

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:D

(when i made my exodus from Colatown in 1998, there was no shortage of the three H's

Heat
Humidity
Hootie

:))

JMVHO, but Troll's must have very busy lives. It must be hard work telling the whole world what is wrong them.

It must be. Too bad for him that forum software doesn't use OpenID, then he wouldn't have to register for each forum which he decides to share his wisdom.

I don't feel or see this forum is a load of self pitting people.

I see and feel and hear love, friendship and support!! on this forum and it lifts me up ever time i come on.
and i never leave feeling sad or down or rejected, happy happy happy all the way.

It never ceases to amaze me what ADDF members can do with a troll thread - instead of making us angry like it is supposed to these things seem to bring us closer together - could it be because we are errr not neurotypical

It never ceases to amaze me what ADDF members can do with a troll thread - instead of making us angry like it is supposed to these things seem to bring us closer together - could it be because we are errr not neurotypical

Agreed, i love how this thread turned into a party. And not a party of the pity persuasion. How else can you fit underpants, codpieces, Hootie, more underpants, and Hüsker Dü into one thread?

Group Hug!

Agreed, i love how this thread turned into a party. And not a party of the pity persuasion. How else can you fit underpants, codpieces, Hootie, more underpants, and Hüsker Dü into one thread?

I totally miss EVERYTHING... I must have ADD or something :p

on-topic if you will
(ooo that was fun)

Memento mori Latin 'Remember that you are mortal'

so I went up to this really depressed bloke and said
'you know what
- pull yourself together man !'so he looks a