Ill start with the history, in the past i have abused and experimented with a wide variety of substances; that is nolonger part of my life. In the past when i tryed cocaine i found that it was very very mild didnt effect me much compaired to other people; i found i could easily tollerate relitivly high doses. More interestingly, as soon as the drug woreoff(within 40 minutes for me) i found no trouble sleeping and usualy found myself tired; with an effort i could also do a line of cocaine and then imidiately go to sleep.

Although im ashamed of it i one time i did experiment with methamphetamine. I found the high to be very boring, it did make me not want to eat, and stay awake(only for the 4 hours it effected me). I couldnt understand how people could become addicted to such a boring substance.

Relating to those two drugs, i never experianced a typical "crash" cocaine just wore off and i was bassline, maby slightly tired and hungry. with meth it wore off and i was imidiately tired and suffering from back cramps but other wise normal. Neither of these drugs caused any jaw clenshing, or teeth grinding.

Now heres where it gets interesting; ecstacy. The most psycologicaly devestating substance for me i ever did. The high would be extreme; but when i was peaking i would somtimes find myself having rapid mood swings. The worst experiance ive had ever is to bee very high on e but suddenly my mood swung from uttarly euphoric, to suicidaly depressive; this was happening while i could still feel the full blown effect of the drug. A couple other times when i did it, i experianced moodswings like that lasting 2-5 minutes through the duration of the drug experiance peak. The reason i totaly stoped doing e, even befor i stoped doing other drugs was beacuse the after effects lasted two weeks. My emotional state would be ruined; the initial hangover would last 2-3 days and i would barely be able to function, then for the remaining 2 weeks i would be quite depressed, and experianceing bissare moodswings. This is the only substance ive experianced jaw clenching on.

That is a past part of my life so no one here needs to worry about me. I am nolonger experimenting with dangerous drugs. For 2 years now i have been takeing medication for add. The first was ritalin, it mad me very anxious and irritable initialy; also giving me moodswings (it may have been causeing these, or simply exentuating an underlying mood disorder). The crashes off this drug were not fun, i would be completely unsocial, depressed, not want anyone to touch me or talk to me at the end of the day for the 2 hour period when it wore off. The problem was that i realy needed this drug beacuse it helped me so much in school, i was failing nearly every course pre-ritalin, and on honour roll the semester i started taking it. To counteract these symptoms i was put on risperidone, which helped level things out a bit. the mood swings went away, but i still crashed pretty bad come the end of the day. recently ritalin has not been helping me focus at all, even with an incressed dose; incressing the dose mearly brought all the undesirable side effect back full force.

Beacuse of ritalins ineffectiveness, not long ago my doctor decided to switch me to dexadrine. This is a wonder drug to me; it incresses my abbility to focus without any emotional side effects at all. I do not experiance the social anxiety ritalin gave me, instead it boosts my confidance in social situations. It makes me happyer, and all together feels much more clean then ritalin did. I dont crash at all off dexadrine, and dont tend to notice its worn off untill i realise i cant get a task done.

I have always been very interested in neurochemistry and the phamalogical action of psychotropic substances, i wanted to hear what other people though could be the cause of these unncommon reactions to stimulent drugs. Just so you know when i was "experimenting" i experianced typical reactions to every other substance i tryed exept marijuhana which would make me severely uncomfertable (possibaly beacuse it caused sensory tics), and highly paranoied; my thoughts would become chaotic and race in circles, i alse experianced full blown visual hallucinations from pot quite often.

sorry for my spelling, i dont have time to edit this post right now.

I don't know about the science, but I have had similar reactions to stimulants when I was in H.S. I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. Never used "e" or meth- Those weren't around back then. My experience with pot was a lot like yours.
I'm sure we're not the only ones with odd reactions.

Ditto what lostintranslation said. My un-reaction to several substances in the past unknowingly saved me.

In high school (eons ago) I used to wonder why my friends were "acting" as if black beauties sped them up, when I was cool as a cucumber???

I think its fairly easy to understand although I think most people refuse to accept with stimulants.

with any drug if a normal person takes it it probably has the opposite effect ie makes them worse, rather than a person who needs it becuase it corrects some deficiency.

low doses of stimulants for people who need it act in the opposite way to high dose for normal people, becuase the brain goes from being deficient with adhd, to normal at the right dose, then to over over supplied at recreational doses wich are much higher.

I was always surprised at how my social group seemed to have a habit of turning up at the hospital after an 'interesting' night whereas I just went to bed, got up and got on with it.

I used to think I had a superhuman tolerence to drugs...seems it was just the AD/HD brain being at a lower level of stimulation to begin with. And maybe because I had more mass. Or a combination.

I was given an 'E' once. My friend (who had 'acquired' it for me) seemed bemused since I went drowsy and crashed out on his couch.

the neurotransmitters with transporters which have 2 directions is the answer

MDMA -> SERT

AMPhetamine -> DAT

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamate

also.

More in a sec -

the system goes forwards and backwards -
- most are going forwards
--- runnin' up the hill is near enough (to explain away this idea)

we're ahead and are now going backwards
--- rollin' down the hill is near enough (to explain away this idea)

the meds which work on others
- to help them up -
have paradoxical effects on us because we're pushed in the wrong direction -

- kinda' like being hauled back up to the top of the hill as we're settling into a speedy descent -
jarring.

The brain has a wtf ! moment presumably - and finds itself as adult in school uniform replying 'present' at assembly.

Also, I have noticed that most "downer" type drugs, like OTC sleeping aids, make it so I can't sleep. But...I'm an alcoholic, and that seemed to work in a normal matter- meaning I got drunk if I drank too much, just like anyone else.

ooops !
on topic now

I reacted absolutely exactly this way also



---1---
... ritalin made me very anxious and irritable ...

---2---
... dexedrine. This is a wonder drug to me ...

---3---
... marijuana
- severely uncomfortable
- sensory tics
- highly paranoid
- full blown visual hallucinations

- by the way -

running [moving] around Cambridge and Amsterdam (for ---1--- and ---3--- were the cures

- had to move -
- had to move real fast -

movement - is the key to :-) 'running up that hill' from my first post on your thread.

running up that hill '''''''''->- 'ADHD'''''''->-
dreamin' down that hill '->- 'ADD-In'''->-


my first question on-site here and on another site was

Do ADD-Inattentives prefer dexedrine to ritalin -?-
and the converse

(I can't take ritalin)

solution approaching ... ...
:-)

<table bgcolor="#d0d0ff" border="1" width="400"><tbody><tr><td>peaches </td> <td>Benzedrine (amphetamine) tablets </td> </tr> <tr> <td>pineapple</td> <td>Heroin and Ritalin or amphetamine </td> </tr> <tr> <td>roses </td> <td>Benzedrine (amphetamine) tablets </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
- you know -
why can't these people just come up with new words ?

I'm just thinking -
- rough neighbourhoods / fruit- and veg- markets.

how about this ?

<table bgcolor="#d0d0ff" border="1" width="400"><tbody><tr><td>Benzedrine </td> <td>Benzedrine (amphetamine) tablets </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Heroin with Ritalin or Amphetamine</td> <td>Heroin and Ritalin or amphetamine </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Benzedrine </td> <td>Benzedrine (amphetamine) tablets </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
I don't think that the hoodlums who take amphetamine'd like it if I tidied up their vocabulary though -
- I wouldn't
- they'd probably 'smoke' me or something leaving me as has-been had-dock some place -
and
- all of this because of deep-felt belief in our collective's need for plain English.

Life's
just
not
fair.

:o
.
- try again -
.
on-topic
.
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.
ritalin'''''''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
ecstacy''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
cannabis''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
metamphetamine''-> uphill
.
LSD ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill (- I'm guessing also)
.
dexedrine '''''''''''''''''-> uphill and downhill
.
.
motion (uphill)
.
To have high synaptic levels of the Dopamine,Serotonin,Noradrenaline neuro/t triumviracy
(not intra-neuronally)
.
What's going on ?
.
Dynamic sampling and comparison of structure of one's own mind (reflected by our own EEG profile)
with the shape of a the 'moral Zeitgeist'
.
- we're looking for convergence -
- game over when we hit convergence -
- it's the 'checkpoint' which signifies change
.
cf. intimately converged webs
.
- where - we're pushing the bond formed between human beings -
- as follows
.
- from proximal to distal
.
mother-child...........[relationship 1 - cf. asexual]
mother-father.........[relationship 2 - cf. sexual]
extended family.......[relationship 3]
species..................[relationship 4 - cf. love described in religion]
.
So - for this process to occur
- we need -
-> convergence in wave-form <-
.
convergence
will feel pleasant
- chilled -
... ... real chill-out :-) zone
... [Teardrop,Massive Attack] ....
- and blimmin' about time too -
.
- because 'nothing is real and nothing to get hung about'
fruity (and not dexy :-)) pineapple and peach groves ..
.
....................... ... ... for ever ... ... ...
.
- so -
- a kinda' wave form which is generated by our own mind
- EEGs
.
cf. Hebbian learning
== tuning individual waveforms to one another
.
radio wave transmission from our own minds sent out into 'cavity' between
planetary electrical flow (below our feet)
and
magnetosphere
(the space between 'Heaven and Earth'
..
-> where radio waves simply bounce their way around the planet) <-
..
- the waves hitch a ride on carrier wave of principal mode of our planet's Schumann resonance
..
-> a frequency defined by the time taken for light to traverse Earth
..
We transmit and receive -
- convergence defines a collective set of models which are drawn from same basic class template -
..
- we are thereafter logically consistent with one another -
- child structures of one class model
.
'children united as one under God's dominion'
.
->- enforced moral consistency
.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.
ritalin'''''''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
ecstacy''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
cannabis''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
metamphetamine''-> uphill
.
LSD ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill (- I'm guessing also)
.
dexedrine '''''''''''''''''-> uphill and downhill
motion (uphill)
.
---1---
.
To have high synaptic levels of the Dopamine,Serotonin,Noradrenaline neuro/t triumviracy
(not intra-neuronally)
.
---2---
.
Exercise (motion) -> Emotion -> Thought [the big three]
- drive these processes
.
Thought <- local mind
- though 'mind' (original speciation) - only became possible when we gained the capacity to transmit and receive signals
- outside our own heads
.
cf. Radiohead
.
---3---
.
Thereafter then -
.
---(a)---
.
Transmit/receive -> 'radiohead'
.
oscillator describing the switch in tides
~~~exactly~~~like~~~the~~~sea~~~
.
->high->tide ->
<-low<-tide<-
.
-> an oscillation
.
in and out
(pattern of emergent structures)
.
oscillator
pulsate
pulsar
quasar
queasy
sea sick
tide
.
->high->tide ->
and
<-low<-tide<-
.
tide
:-) moon
.
---(b)---
.
Noise (endless chattering in our heads - sensitivity turns up the volume knob)
.
---(c)---
.
Multiple incompatible signals - with some more capable than others in catching it all
-> creativity
.
cf. Katherine Bush, Aerial.
~s (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=484335&postcount=1) ADDF~
.
The two pallidal nuclei and the two nigral (pars compacta and pars reticulata) parts constitute a high frequency autonomous pacemaker (see primate basal ganglia system)
== the oscillation
.
---(d)---
.
Thereby - we have the effect of knowledge increasing the battery in our radio receiver/transmitter (mind)
- increased sensitivity to chatter - and discord in chatter
- capacity to pick up the 'major' wave-forms
- the need to shift one's mind into the consensus view -
and to shift other nonsense views out of the mindfield
.
- otherwise mind minefield
.
- from previously
-> morality (intelligence) and societal constraints locked into an absolute confound -
.
we have the strength of certainty (large amplitude in wave form) from having a more logical world view in mind
- versus -
a parochial viewpoint (lesser amplitude wave form) (though held by the vast majority) -
[- rules for constructive interference apply]
the one which has permitted people to wage war
(man as animal)
.
Solution
.
- Physics - waves -
~simple~
.
Use constructive interference to up up up the strength of
man as human waveform (structure of mind) -
and swamp
man as animal waveform of (barely) mind.
.
cf.
The Internet as subservient to a far greater change from perspective :: man
- actually speeding up the capacity for us to communicate
- such that we can speed up the convergence process
.
in the stage which we are currently going through
- the final stages in convergence of minds of men under a single class model -
.
- point being that we thereafter move on
- and until we move on -
.
disorder of mind
--- continues ---
.
sweet !
- makes sense
.
(bit obvious all of this though)duh !!!
;)
.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.
ritalin'''''''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
ecstacy''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
cannabis''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
metamphetamine''-> uphill
.
LSD ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill (- I'm guessing also)
.
dexedrine '''''''''''''''''-> uphill and downhill
.
motion (uphill)
.
---1---
.
High synaptic levels of Dopamine,Serotonin,Noradrenaline
(peak at balanced mind) -
structure built - convergence
.
then
.
thought (downhill)
.
---2---
.
Just as physical motion has driven structural convergence between individual component parts (:-) people) of a species
- so -
one cog
(our motion on the planet)
has driven
construction of --- a structure --- within us which interfaces smoothly with
another cog
(motion of a class template for mind around the planet)
.
'another cog' completes its development as each of our individual structures converge (into a single structure)
->- our individual structures conforming to single template
(logical consistency then follows == 'enforced moral consistency')
.
However - also (and similarly) - structures complete their development -
snap into place
- as 'another cog' develops final formoverarching template
.
-<- perfect example of a thoroughly reciprocal ['another cog',structures] 'thing'.
---3---
.
Since one cog turns the other and the other turns the one
- and we've successfully built the 'other cog'
.
- so all change
- and we go backwards :-)
.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.
ritalin'''''''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
ecstacy''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
cannabis''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill
metamphetamine''-> uphill
.
LSD ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''-> uphill (- I'm guessing also)
.
dexedrine '''''''''''''''''-> uphill and downhill[/quote]
.
motion (uphill)
.
---1---
.
High synaptic levels of Dopamine,Serotonin,Noradrenaline
(peak at balanced mind) -
structure built - convergence
.
then
.
thought (downhill)
.
---2---
.
Electrical flow from feet -> through 'chakras' -> mind -> local mind [hippocampus] / global mind balanced [slow calcium wave of astrocyte (imagine moving exactly above - like tides of the sea)] -> (signal transmit)
.
---3---
.
And then the other way (signal receive) (noting that mind is required to be converged Local versus Global before this may occur).
Local isn't enough.
Balancing the mind (this whole process) may be considered the equivalent of fixing a persistently on water pipe in position to a bucket
- and then plugging the bucket so that the bucket doesn't leak
.
'fixing a persistently on water pipe in position to a bucket'
==
global mind <- thereby 'fixed'
.
'so that the bucket doesn't leak'
==
local mind <- thereby fixed under the architecture of the 'global mind'
.
where as above
.
- all leaks in bucket are fixed at exactly the moment that pipe is located in its 'final position'
- at least from the perspective of precursor emergent structures -
.
(~that is~
ignoring our future for a moment)
.
- the most bizarre rain has just started falling outside -
- ooo lightning
- it's kinda' like I imagine the monsoon to be (warm too)
- thunder also(sensed it also -
- just as Tammy mentioned we can) .

---4---
.
---3--- And then the other way (signal receive)
.
---(a)---
.
Schumann sends the astrocyte wave backwards
(glutamate neurotransmitter complies - mentioned yesterday on Zach326's thread :: drowning in a large canorbino'cannabinoids)
.
---(b)---
.
The astrocyte signal
- shunt in reverse -
then reverses down the hippocampus
.
- so we've retrograde motion of glutamate -
however though - we've the hippocampi as 2 metalevels -
they actually 'shift us around the corner'
- from one orthogonal space into another -
.
- in this case imagine the signal shifting from this kinda' plane
tree ->- adjacent tree
.
''''^''''''''''''^
'''^^'''->'''^^
''^^^'''''''^^^'
'^^^^'''''^^^^
''''|''''''''''''|''
.
into the crown of the tree (or cortex of the brain)
- through the hippocampus -
.
''''^''''''''''
'''^^'''''''''''''|'''
''^^^'''v''''
'^^^^''''''''
''''|''''''''''''''
..
.
so
.
->- astrocyte
.
..../
..v hippocampus
/
.
(((v))) cortex ............... imagine as a cauliflower
.
->- imagine as a cauliflower when you've overcome your revulsion at yet another pointless vegetable
- we can see that the signal is being transduced from the crown of the blandest vegetable in the Universe (apart from the similarly large yellow vegetable family (cats and bananas are affiliated members - and cauliflowers are a bit yellow -
- especially so in 'cauliflower cheese and turmeric surprise')
.
'large yellow vegetables, cats and bananas'
- which occupy much space and yet signify nothing
- nada
- zip
.
- speaking of which - the hippocampus is not a big yellow banana (Mr WikiPedia)
- and similarly A. Sea Parrot has nothing to offer us by way of erudition - on pharmacology of MDMA
OK ?
... ... so if we can just put that commonly held misconception to rest ?
.
... ... ... and why does MDMA want to be confused for NMDA :-) !!!

Is WikiPedia funded on treasure which the Wikipedian people found in a cove or cave ?
:: If ::
.
-(1)- It was pirate's treasure
-(2)- You discovered the treasure on the basis of instructions fed to you by A. C.(ey-faring) Parrot -
-(3)- And without which none of your mind-enriching activities could have been possible
.
- then and only then am I prepared to concede the point.
- but only if the Parrot is currently not a dead parrot
.
'.aye aye matey !.'
.
quark quark.
OK.??? WikiPsicato
.
'you grow up boy !!!'
'djou hear ???'
.
Do I look like I'm messin'?? just efffin' try it on willya'.
Figure of a squiffed up cauliflower cool as a cucumber from popping too many E(s) the night previously; he'd danced like Arch-Nemesis to Couch Potato
.
all
night
long
.
'whoopsy !' Broccoli Spears.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:3aF5BXUbzyEfnM:http://www.inkart.com/images/lineart/cauliflower.gif
.
and then leaning on a wall -
- and just - like
.
'so very very tired'
.
out like a light
.
just
like
that
.
..............man !

The Sea Parrots
and
HF's Sea Monkeys
are evolving
.
- OK - so -
.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:3aF5BXUbzyEfnM:http://www.inkart.com/images/lineart/cauliflower.gif
....................|
....................v
.
---(1)---
.
->- astrocyte
.
---(2)---
.
..../
..v hippocampus
/
.
---(3)---
.
(((|))) cortex ............... imagine you're a cauliflower
(((v)))
(((v)))
.
it's a bit strange,
but I like it -
(I do)
.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[[[and then down to the parathyroid for a reprise to]
->- astrocyte
.
->- a real one world species-wide connection to all other human
beings becomes possible -
through extension of the same basic process which a mother has
availed to her -
- in 'bonding' to baby
.
->- oxytocin
[posterior pituitary].
where
.
MDMA -> oxytocin
cf. magnetization -
the act of sweeping a magnet over a material and magnetizing it -
maternal polarity and child polarity must be 'opposite' to attract
(as in magnets)
.
-> bipolarity is all 'emergent structure thingies'
.
- 'Hebbian learning' implies a similarity between thought and structure of mind
- formation of self-/-complement
.
- 'Hebbian learning' is an extension of the 'mother-child' bond
- the bond exists outside of the bounds of the two physical structures -
of mother and baby -
.
- All that's needed
- is a procedure to extend the 'reach' of this bond -
.
- and the same basic mechanism underlying 'mother-child' pair bonding -
->-
leads to construction of a single structure for man
- canopy of mind
.
- A single structure within which all individuals of our one world species ~belong~
.
- in which each of us individually
we're kinda' the trees people with our own crowns (cortices) -
.
- each gaining benefit from, contributing our part to
.
the canopy
the canopy[safety of canopy][of rain forest][of mind]
the canopy[safety of canopy][of rain forest][of mind]
the canopy[safety of canopy][of rain forest][of mind]
... ... not made the link yet from neural to endocrine retrograde behaviour.
.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.
- so - rollin' down the hill
.
glutamate can run backwards (retrograde motion)
.
---Then--->
catching the hippocampus in reverse
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor
---(1)---
Activation of NMDA receptors requires binding of glutamtate
---(2)---
D-serine has also been found to co-agonize the NMDA receptor with even greater potency than glycine.
D-serine is produced by serine racemase in astrocyte cells ... ....
---Then--->
catching the cortex in reverse
==
Dopamine,Serotonin,Noradrenaline neuro/t triumviracycytosolic stores emptied into synapse(as above)
- and also with the DAT and SERT transporter re-uptake proteins running in reverse
.
Dexedrine promotes this process by acting on DAT
(Dexedrine (rollin' down the hill) opposes ritalin (running up the hill))
.
MDMA similarly promotes this process by acting on SERT
(MDMA (rollin' down the hill) opposes LSD (running up the hill))
.
---So---
The nervous system travels forwards and then shunts backwards
as does the
endocrine system travel forwards and then hit 'reverse'
.
- the shift from anterior [classical forwards] pituitary
->- to ->-
posterior pituitary
.
the P in HPA(-axis)
.
neuro- / endocrino- ==makes== psycho- psychottalott
like a shallotte -
- which incidentally could totally take out a medium-large pumpkin in unarmed combat
.
- tussle between Ascaris suum and Ascaris lumbricoides (parasitic dual explaining away
the Tree of 'Good and Evil' ->- 'Knowledge')
.
ascension through duality between
.
....pain........'.and..'''..pleasure
endorphins.. versus ..dopamine
.
'caught in the devil's bargain
about to get ourselves back to the garden'
.
knowledge -> vedanta (end of knowledge) -> 'back to the garden' (now-ish)
.
--- need to repeat this next section [from here to end] (not enough detail) ---

particuarly the following sections- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

(wiring the anterograde neural and hormonal systems together
wiring the retrograde neural and hormonal systems together

inclusion of evolution with immunological [-> particularly in relation to autoimmune disorder]
growth [-> particularly in relation to cancer] and metabolism [-> in relation to metabolic disorder]

Backtrack to Guanineod and MAdeninery
and connection to inosine
and thereafter to imidazole)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Endocannabinoid system
..
Cannabis: ('running up that hill')
---Neurogenesis in hippocampus
---Munchies (afterwards)
---Short term memory loss
.
- endogenous endocannabinoids bring us back down again -
same goes for MDMA
- both of these drugs
.
- whether exogenously -
when 'running up that hill' -
- or endogenously -
when 'rollin' down'
.
--- are doing the same thing (within their respective two contexts) ---
.
--- So ---
.
- here we have the crucial final duality in our evolutionary ascent
- the final duel between neuro- and endocrine -
'there can be only one -'
-> at level of hippocampus
- duality here leads to the product of their duel [energy] being fed into orthogonal space / plane of astrocytic slow calcium wave.

->- *However in reverse*
.
Hypothalamus
Wisdom is showing all the hallmarks of bringing with it a complete hypothalamic bypass.
.'Four F's'
(feeding,fighting,fleeing and ferting (fertility)<- this is exactly what we'd expect to lose, if we lose our physical,worldly desires
cf. bible
wisdom represents trading in one's desire for 'external' world stimulation
- and descent into more serene environment of mind
<- that's enlightenment

it's the freedom from dumb desires (like for MONEY) which have us believing that 'physical stuff' is 'important'
- should be acquired
- is a measure of the man
--- when none of this is true ---
- we imprison ourselves with stuff

- not a definition that all stuff is unimportant
only maybe 99.999 % of everything we can buy.

-> the key is neural stimulation

neural stim scores
vacuum cleaner == 0 <- sucks
guitar == billion '''''''''''''<- Wayne's World

POMC
..
beta-endorphin (opiates) -> pain versus pleasure
a,b,g- Melanocyte Stimulating Hormone -> neuromelanin
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
a,b,g- Melanocyte Stimulating Hormone -> neuromelanin
internal world people <- global mind,communication,gaia <- [out] <-> radio wave <-> gamma wave (the Hulk) (neuromelanin) (centre) <-> radio wave [out] -> people -> external world people
Radio ->- Infra-red ->- Visible ->- Ualtra-violet ->- X-ray ->- Gamma ray [ordered list - EM]
UV -> melanin
gamma -> neuromelanin

Deep internal pigmented areas
1 - red
2 - blue
3 - black
->- connection to parathyroid gland

(cannot be trapping UV-radiation (since deep - unlike on surface of skin) - must be storing energy from 'gamma')

So - the duality translates to evolution of

melanin [slow charge/discharge battery] [endocrine control system - slow]
versus
electrical flow through the central dopaminergic circuit [fast charge/discharge] [nervous control system - fast]

Hippocampus --- wikiP Boy's surface x-section picture
2 rotations possible
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

ACTH -> steroid [metabolic shift glucose -> fat] / immune
.
Parathyroid
.
NMDA,MDMA ->- Oxytocin [cf. images of Earth's magnetic field superimposed over 'little red riding hood']
.
Adrenals,Sex hormones
.
ACTH -> Adrenal effects -> Cortisol
-> increases ->
stress, depression, metabolic defects [glucose metabolism] and breakage in circadian rhythms
.
.
'''--- Aimee Mann ---
'life could be lovely
- could be just so great'.
.

i followed most of that
yet i have just one request.

pleae refrain from smoking dmt directly prior to posting a responce on the forum.:rolleyes:

kthanks.
:D

it can't possibly be healthy to think THAT much.

A lot of that was entirely unnecessary.

A lot of that was entirely unnecessary.

I really miss SBs posts like that. It takes a while to decode it all and some of it never sinks in. It was like a logic puzzle. They're actually pretty intense from a neurology standpoint just abstract.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply there wasn't anything good or informative about his post. It is just sometimes I'd like posts/articles/studies to be a little more succinct, in the essence of brevity.

I really miss SBs posts like that. It takes a while to decode it all and some of it never sinks in. It was like a logic puzzle. They're actually pretty intense from a neurology standpoint just abstract.

His account was suspended, so I'm not sure if he's still here.

Anyone know the reason for his suspension? Has he misbehaved before?

Now heres where it gets interesting; ecstacy. The most psycologicaly devestating substance for me i ever did. The high would be extreme; but when i was peaking i would somtimes find myself having rapid mood swings. The worst experiance ive had ever is to bee very high on e but suddenly my mood swung from uttarly euphoric, to suicidaly depressive; this was happening while i could still feel the full blown effect of the drug. A couple other times when i did it, i experianced moodswings like that lasting 2-5 minutes through the duration of the drug experiance peak. The reason i totaly stoped doing e, even befor i stoped doing other drugs was beacuse the after effects lasted two weeks. My emotional state would be ruined; the initial hangover would last 2-3 days and i would barely be able to function, then for the remaining 2 weeks i would be quite depressed, and experianceing bissare moodswings. This is the only substance ive experianced jaw clenching on.

He probably wont read this but thats a text book example of stimulant induced mania.

He probably wont read this but thats a text book example of stimulant induced mania.

Not necessarily indicative of a mood disorder, though.

Speaking for myself: I also get unusually strong effects from stimulants and I wouldn't say I fit the bill for the bipolar spectrum.