I've always been interested in the various symptoms and disorders that are found alongside ADD or ADHD (comorbids).

Some, such as depression are inherently intuitive, but others, such as restless legs syndrome, enuresis (bedwetting), dysgraphia (poor handwriting), are not so obvious.

Anyone have any "strange" symptoms they see alongside their ADD or ADHD that they would like to share or investigate?

Any thoughts as to why they are seen alongside ADD/ADHD?

Any thoughts as to why they are seen alongside ADD/ADHD?

Because those who just have the weird symptoms, but without a major psychological condition, or a mental disorder, do not see a shrink about them.

Here's something I found (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=1557471#id297396)on the relative freqency of comorbid symptoms to ADHD (scan down to the "ADHD and Comorbidity" section of the site).

Depression occurs in up to 45% of ADHD individuals (I had no idea it was that high), anxiety disorders up to 25%. Overall, it refers to up to 75% of ADHD'ers possibly having some other accompanying comorbid disorder.

Is it any wonder that finding a treatment plan that fits can be so difficult? It also says that conventional stimulant treatment can fail in up to 50% of the individuals with ADHD.

Check this out (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=1557471#id297396) if you're interested in the comorbid disorders to ADHD (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=1557471#id297396).

Synesthesia. I see music and tend to form really weird associations between certain ovjects or concepts. This, along with a mild speech delay, led me to believe I was autistic. It doesn't seem common among ADD-ers.

I'm probably dysgraphic. It's painful for me to write with a pen. A pencil is usually out of the question.

I have control issues like OCPD. I also lack internal awareness to a degree characteristic of Alexithymia.

Dysgraphia

It's proven that the things that makes ADD is very close to the that makes Dysgraphia (wherever they are in the brain), like neighbours. A doctor told me that. And the Dysgraphia is usually caused by Enlos Danlos (Or worse Enlos syndromes) syndrome. I got both ADD and Dysgraphia. The enlos means that you have less (Dont know the word in English but i try to explain it) "More elastic material" than "the material that keeps your hand steady" in your wrists (both hand and footwrists). To compensate for that, you must use your much more than usual and concentrate much harder. Wich leads to tireness in both body and brain.
You can test if you got some kind of Enlos Danlos by trying to touch your wrist with the thumb, you can of course use the other hand to push the thumb down. There is help for this tough, you can buy gloves that are attached to the wrists and helps to keep it up, just ask your local doctor.

I have toalked with some people on Forums.
And from what i have seen, people with ADD usually have an abnormal amount of Friends, as i do. And i have also noticed that people with ADD don't freeze as often as others, i myself wear a T-shirt and a shirt now and everyone thinks i am insane, but the truth is that i am only cold around my arms, i am almost sweety when i go out. Autumn in Sweden is pretty cold, around -1 - +1 degrees. Theres more people that are like this.

And i have also noticed that people with ADD don't freeze as often as others, i myself wear a T-shirt and a shirt now and everyone thinks i am insane, but the truth is that i am only cold around my arms, i am almost sweety when i go out. Autumn in Sweden is pretty cold, around -1 - +1 degrees. Theres more people that are like this.

Another surprise. I always thought that was just one of my own personal quirks. I almost always dress way too light for the weather or don't take a coat with me when the weather calls for it and I get hot real quickly. It's only when its windy or when there is a draft inside that I tend to get cold. I am a little guy after all.

Synesthesia is also something I have experienced, however instead of seeing music, I tend to "taste" music. I get this from certain intervals and key signatures, for example, a perfect fifth starting on F sharp/G flat produces a sort of metalic taste in my mouth. I don't think this has much to do with ADHD, however only other person that I have met who has absolute pitch also has ADHD, and has a similar experience in regards to synethesia. I have never exhibited symptoms of autism...

In regards to handwriting, my issue is that I write extremely "hard", in that I literally press down very hard when I write. I cannot use pencil lead smaller than .7 for this very reason. Because I have been writing in this fashion my whole life, my forearm muscles are quite large as I tend to flex my forearm when I write.

My writing can vary to relatively legible to entirely illegible. When I write music, I write a score for myself that is generally difficult for many people to read, then I make another more legible copy for the instrumentalists. Lately, I have been trying to score on the computer more, but it is still far quicker for me to write scores by hand...

My handwriting improves dramatically when on amphetamines, but it also seems to slow down my writing speed...

J.S Bach has some scores that can get messy. The one below is actually quite clear, some of his other manuscripts are more confusing...

http://www.njn.net/artsculture/starts/season07-08/images/2603/2603scheidelibraryscore.jpg
^^^The master at work!

I CAN'T BELEIVE IT! I also have taste synesthesia! (for words) - few believe me. One of my favorite daydreaming subjects - what taste does such & such a word have? and does it taste the same in French? (not always!) Apparently this is quite rare, most people w/ synesthesia see the alphabet or music in colors.
I thought it was music sometimes but it's just the song titles. for example we played "moonlight serenade" (glen miller) and the word serenade tastes like a kind of lemon sorbet I had once. -look I have GOT to get to bed almost 1:00 am here. send message if you want to discuss further...

You can test if you got some kind of Enlos Danlos by trying to touch your wrist with the thumb

Do you mean how close you can get your thumb to your wrist? Even when pushing it with my other hand it's still a good 4 inches away. My handwriting has always been a mess, unless I write really small- like the charting I used to do as a dental assistant. I can't write fast and be able to decipher it later.

I can't stand noise, hyperacusis, and am not great on being touched...I tried to get a massage once...I almost went through the roof! In fact I have many tactile sensory problems. I can't read the newspaper because I can't stand the feel. If I purchase something breakable at the store and they wrap it in newsprint I have to look the other way.
I have always hallucinated. I think I see something beautiful and complex but am disappointed when I look closer and find it is nothing much at all. I see people and faces a lot but it is not a paraniod thing.

Do you mean how close you can get your thumb to your wrist? Even when pushing it with my other hand it's still a good 4 inches away. My handwriting has always been a mess, unless I write really small- like the charting I used to do as a dental assistant. I can't write fast and be able to decipher it later.

I can upload a picture later, i can touch my wrist when i do it. But really, you should try to ask your doctor. Enlos Danlos is not rare at all, its very common actually.

The temperature thing is something I've seen in my nan, my mum and now myself. At the first hint of spring - say, a crisp day in mid-February - my mum would fling open the French windows and let the "fresh air" in, telling the rest of the family to just put on a jumper or something. I always put it down to her obesity (she started binge eating after she had to stop smoking) and her level of physical activity, but she tells me stories about her own mum doing the same thing when she was younger, and my nan is skinny as all get-out. I've decided I get the hyperactivity from her side of the family, and the nerves from my dad's. My own friends usually sit around in their coats for a bit when they come over, until I've sufficiently heated the room for them.

I've been told I have gorgeous handwriting myself, but I'm definitely seeing dysgraphia in some of the kids I tutor. Does medication help with that?

Also, touch has made me see colours in the past, but I'm not sure whether that qualifies as synaesthesia or just really good sex.

I'm actually always cold all the time LOL
I'm either cold or hot.
My hands/feet especially.

But it's weird, 'cause usually my body is fine, it's just the arms/hands/fingers/feet/toes.

Poor circulation LOL.

I have a stutter/speak too fast/get stuck, but that may be part of the ADHD, speaking too fast...

In terms of weird symptoms along with ADD I am dyslexic. Basically I'm a slow reader and often single symbols as well as syllables get mixed up. This turns out to be true for all four languages I know in varying degrees. Another weird symptom was having a very vivid and overactive imagination when i was a child, and having active memories from when i was still crawling. Last, but not least i have had lucid dreams for as long as i can remember.

I have a very vivid and overactive imagination, now and when I was a child too.

I see letters of the alphabet, as well as numbers, as having different colors.

I'm dyslexic.

I suffer from depression.

I have panic disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, and PTSD.

Enlos Danlos is not rare at all, its very common actually.

I had to look it up myself


What is EDS? (http://www.ehlers-danlos.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3&Itemid=5)

Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (EDS) is a heterogeneous group of heritable disorders of connective tissue, characterised by skin extensibility, joint hypermobility and tissue fragility. There are different types of EDS and these were reclassified into six major types in 1997 1 . They are classified according to signs and symptoms with each type running true in a family thus an individual with one type will not have a child with a different type.

EDS is known to affect both males and females of all races and ethnic backgrounds. The exact incidence is not known, but is estimated at 1 in 5000, however, it may be more common
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people with ADD don't freeze as often as othersI overheat - stream sweat especially when exercising or thinking -
the following day I have layers of crystallized salt in my formerly drenched exercise clothing

- maybe more noticeable though because I exercise in black.

I don't have much "imagination" ie storytelling but i have vivid memories from childhood back to I'm sure 3 yrs old, and "picture" scenarios vividly.
- ooh, vivid, now that tastes like vinegar and cake better! cool.

I don't know if it has anything to do with my ADD, but I don't freeze very often, and once in my teens I went barefooted in- and out doors for 18 months in a row.
When I moved to the city and winter came there, I had to put shoes back on, but only bc of the salt from the roads (ruined my feet like it does a dog's ;)).
When I lived in the countryside the year before, it wasn't a problem.
But like I said, I don't know if it's an ADD thing.

I have Enlos Danlos as well.

I almost never get physically ill, I seem to have a very good immune system, but it may be pure coincidence.

My handwriting is pretty nice as long as I practice it and the style is new to me. When I stop drawing the letters and start writing, that's where it seems to mess up.
But all in all, my handwriting is fine, nothing special about it.

I am pretty sensitive to sounds.
I think that may very well be related to my ADD.

I don't know if it's an ADD thing.

It's an ADD thing.

Hot / Cold is yet another of the dualities which characterize the evolution of life -
- if we scan through historical texts we observe a pattern of worship of the sun and moon -

hot and cold -

- imagine these as two alternating forces shifting AC electrical current from one side to another -
- imagine the movement of waves between high and low tide to assist thiat picture
(as you know - movement of the tides is a side-effect of the association between Earth and moon) -

- imagine the 'first this way and then that' motion of the waves as representative of the process of transduction of energy from celestial bodies into usable form by structures upon planet Earth.

Next - connect the bipolar nature of the tides -
high and low -

- with the bipolar nature of many structures upon which we profer understanding

- notably the bipolar mind -

and as we begin to see the connection -

- we begin to understand how life on Earth emerged.

Hot / Cold is representative of an increase in the acid / alkali
balance of man and woman -
with evolution
the pH range of (man - woman) has increased -

the male-female duality becomes a stronger chemical reaction -
as pH increases -

greater heat is produced -
- as we become

more
better

- a stronger life force -
greater will to live.

-*-

Simplifying all of the above -
imagine that evolution makes a more powerful engine and that the more powerful engine produces more heat.

However
- that the engine requires a more powerful reaction of more concentrated A and more concentrated B -
in order to work (to produce more energy) -
with heat as the outcome.

The effect of
more concentrated A + more concentrated B -> generation of more energy and generation of more heat as side-effect

However - the effect of increasing the concentration of the precursor reactants (A and B) prior to reaction -
also
serving to alter the basal metabolic rates of
REACTANT 1 -> individual (more concentrated A)
REACTANT 2 -> individual (more concentrated B)
(observable body temperature changes) in pre-duality duals
in pre-duality duals in (mental) development (nurture)
(a man and woman developing their minds prior to meeting one another)

and

developing an association or 'intimately converged web' which will serve to connect the two together
as one.
more concentrated A + more concentrated B -> generation of more energy and generation of more heat as side-effect

I am pretty sensitive to sounds.
I think that may very well be related to my ADD.

yes

also -

the better machine will have heightened sensitivity to stimuli -
-> reality more real.

Think of it as the human equivalent of
since
power = VI
- of increased power of a machine (man) being possible through increasing the current flowing through our CNS.

Increased current flowing within context of man
- representing the experiential perspective of increased sensitivity
to neuronal signal eliciting stimuli
such as sound.

Do you find yourself being startled more easily than most?
Do you feel that you've a heightened sense of pain relative to other people?

I also "run hot" so to speak, sweating easily and often.....it's rather embarrassing as my work requires physical exertion to a large degree, but within businesses or public buildings, or offices and such, so there I am soaked like I've gone on a marathon run after all I've do is work up abouve a drop ceiling for 5 minutes...
I've never tasted or seen letters or any of that, but do any of you have a problem with not knowing which way to go when you're walking and about to bump into an oncoming person? You know, I guess they must go to your left first, and then you also go to your left and "oops", so you go to your right, but they've already gone that way, so "err..." and then you figure you'll try left again only to find....."Oh, we're dancing!" "heheh...um...sorry.....excuse me." :confused: I hate this, it's very embarrassing. :mad: Oh, yeah, my handwriting is very child-like and scrawly, and constantly changing levels of legibiliy as well.

I haven't had a formal diagnosis, even of the ADHD, although there is no doubt in my mind - and my daughter has many of the same issues and one granddaughter has been diagnosed with ADHD (the other granddaughter has been diagnosed with Autism).

I believe I have dysgraphia and discalculia, have spent many years in a very depressed state (better now), hyperacusis. In fact I'm overly sensitive to many things, noise/sound and light, also to touch/texture. I am very picky about the clothing I wear, especially the shoes.

I seem to be forgetting something else...

In fact I'm overly sensitive to many things, noise/sound and
light,
also to touch/texture.
I am very picky about the clothing I wear,
especially the shoes.



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