I have an addictive personality so i need to stop before i depend on it.

i'm also AMAAAZINGLY high right now its like errrrrr walked in and i knew my parents saw my highness.

i need to stop it but erm anyone got some ideas? i've already alienated myself from alot of my friends but i just cant stop, weed just finds me, i dont need to search for it, i can goto the shed and an ounce or two of top quality stuff and take a tiny bit to get high because my dad smokes, i goto mates place and they've got weed, its bad, this herb just finds me!!

also i've gotten really good at crafting bongs, today it was a double chamber dual cone bong which got me ****ed up earliar. I make them so perfect they look neat and are sealed, its like its in my family as my dad smokes heavily.

one help is to find something to help distract you from it - take up a new hobby maybe... like mountain biking, bikram yoga, jogging, kayaking... something that excites you and you'll look forward to.

getting meds for your add helps too. that way your brain can get what it needs without you having to resort to herb.

also finding friends who know how to have fun & enjoy life without chemicals. I know that sounds crazy but there's people like that out there!

stay home for a couple of days, and dont try to buy any.

Does your Mom know that you and your Dad smoke pot?

It's important to stop. Other than being still illegal (it's not worth going to jail for), it causes brain damage. The debate on medical marajuana can be done in our Private Debate forum.

Calling AA is a good place to start. They can point you in the right direction for getting help to kick the habit.

Here is an online guide, on your side of the ocean.
http://www.nevdgp.org.au/info/adf/MarijuanaQuit.html

Most smokers I know do it out of boredom. You need something interesting to do.

I usually smoke once or twice a year...it's nice but the only times in my life I've smoked more often is when I was really bored.

Have you any kind of hobby or pursuit that you really like? Anything super interesting to do with yourself? Just sitting around a friend's house is gonna be boring, you gotta find some kind of thing to keep your mind occupied. Then you won't really want it as much, I bet.

Does your Mom know that you and your Dad smoke pot?

It's important to stop. Other than being still illegal (it's not worth going to jail for), it causes brain damage. The debate on medical marajuana can be done in our Private Debate forum.

Calling AA is a good place to start. They can point you in the right direction for getting help to kick the habit.

Here is an online guide, on your side of the ocean.
http://www.nevdgp.org.au/info/adf/MarijuanaQuit.html

Well the situation in australia is (in my state) we can have up to two plants and 30g of it dry before any charges will be laid. however i think people my age are excepted from that because it says people over 18 can have that.
My mum knows my dad smokes it, but i don't think they know i do it, i have come home pretty stoned alot recently being the holidays but i know it's bad for me cause it leaves my head screwed for at least a month.

Maybe if your Mom knows it will be a lightbulb going off for her...if Dad quits maybe son can quit, or you can quit together. Join a marathon or something. I don't know how old your Dad is, but I'm only 36 and losing brain cells all the time. I don't need to help it along.

Maybe it is time to write mom a letter, tell her basically what you told us. That you really want to stop but its tough, especially with dad keeping it on the property. Ask her for help and go from there.

Maybe it is time to write mom a letter, tell her basically what you told us. That you really want to stop but its tough, especially with dad keeping it on the property. Ask her for help and go from there.

They're not the sorta parents that i'd do that to. If i tell them the truth about anything they're angry / deny it if i accuse them of anything. so what i do is absolutely everything is a lie to them. and they think i listen to them when they talk because i always go 'yeah, yeah, yeah, nope, yeah, nope' because im really not listening.

I guess you're back to square one and finding a mentor/friends who can help with this. While you're young.
Then maybe you won't have a son who can't talk to you for the same reasons you can't talk to your parents.

I notice you said the word accuse, I was suggesting asking for help. There is a difference there. Also sometimes if you really want help, you have to face your parents anger. No one can go through life with out dissapointing or angering mom and dad.
But anyways, is there a teacher or something at school that might help? A google search might also find a local group or organization that can help.
Good luck.

How to? Just stop wanting the negative effects it brings. Get ****ed off at the negative effects... like massive brain fog, **** mem recall, etc

Well i have an appointment with a psychologist on friday, which reminds me im supposed to log my caffeine intake from the past week, crap i forgot. erm I dont get many negative effects except finishing sentences is hard sometimes. I only started smoking like two terms ago and i already make the best bongs according to alot of my mates. It always ends up i goto a mates place and they ask me to make the bong and i endup going i'll have one rip to test it then one goes into two and you know, i dont 'want' weed but it want's me, it just finds me wherever i go, i went on holidays once and got offered some dope, i dont ever have to ask for it, i dont ask for it.

the reason i aint telling the parents is mum drinks alot but is very very anti underage drinking (what a hypocrit, she woulda been hitting the booze at my age) and well at a party they accused me of having a beer (when really i got incredibly drunk at this party - and CAME HOME in that state) the next day i got screamed at basically all day for having a beer. whenever i go to a mates place its 'YOU WERE DRINKING WEREN'T YOU'.

Believe me there comes a time when its easy to stop.

When you start hating the way its making you be thats the time to stop. When you cant ignore the negative impact its having on you then thats the time to stop. When you cant look noone in the eye coz you think they can read your thoughts, when your hungry but you dont want to leave the house coz u dont want to be seen, when you look into the mirror and your face morphs into an alien and its like your tripping out from one cone then you know you have to stop coz your minds about to crack into a different space forever if your not careful.

Sometimes you can't get back the time you lose.

When you smoke time passes differently. Time is a balance thing. You full it doing something. The other people who arent smoking are passing time by doing something else. Some people can smoke and still be productive. Some people can smoke forever and still be productive. Other people have their phases. I had my phase where I was on this whole creative buz getting heaps of art done and then it turned all nasty in my head and just became something i did out of habit and it zapped me socially.

Just think about how you want to be spending your time because you cant get time back.

It's much easier to do something than to not do something - for example, not smoking weed is hard, but sucking on a hard candy every time you want a joint is not so hard. I would find some surrogate activity that you can substitute for smoking weed - i.e., make yourself a cup of tea, or chew some candy, or do 20 push-ups - and maybe you can get through the difficult period by distracting yourself.

Incidentally, if you are mixing tobacco with your pot, make sure you are not smoking for the nicotine buzz. THC-9 and CBD (active ingredients in marijuana) can cause psychological dependence but not physical addiction; nicotine, on the other hand, is extremely difficult to kick and it gives a powerful buzz. I only ask because in Eastern Canada and the U.K., people tend to mix tobacco with their pot. (Western Canada and the Northwest U.S.A. are more into pure, unadulterated pot.) I used to do this and it was *******' impossible to stop smoking - quitting tobacco is a lot harder than pot, and I didn't even realize I was hooked on nicotine.

(the ******* used to say f r i g g i n - I can't believe it censored that.)

Believe me there comes a time when its easy to stop.

When you start hating the way its making you be thats the time to stop. When you cant ignore the negative impact its having on you then thats the time to stop. When you cant look noone in the eye coz you think they can read your thoughts, when your hungry but you dont want to leave the house coz u dont want to be seen, when you look into the mirror and your face morphs into an alien and its like your tripping out from one cone then you know you have to stop coz your minds about to crack into a different space forever if your not careful.

Sometimes you can't get back the time you lose.

When you smoke time passes differently. Time is a balance thing. You full it doing something. The other people who arent smoking are passing time by doing something else. Some people can smoke and still be productive. Some people can smoke forever and still be productive. Other people have their phases. I had my phase where I was on this whole creative buz getting heaps of art done and then it turned all nasty in my head and just became something i did out of habit and it zapped me socially.

Just think about how you want to be spending your time because you cant get time back.

Hear Hear!

in Eastern Canada and the U.K., people tend to mix tobacco with their pot. (Western Canada and the Northwest U.S.A. are more into pure, unadulterated pot.)

That's a major generalisation. I've smoked with countless groups and none mix their weed. In fact, I've only ever talked to one person who has done that in their life. I would assume it depends what circles you get around in. (And I've been with several from different cities/towns)

Believe me there comes a time when its easy to stop.

When you start hating the way its making you be thats the time to stop. When you cant ignore the negative impact its having on you then thats the time to stop. When you cant look noone in the eye coz you think they can read your thoughts, when your hungry but you dont want to leave the house coz u dont want to be seen, when you look into the mirror and your face morphs into an alien and its like your tripping out from one cone then you know you have to stop coz your minds about to crack into a different space forever if your not careful.

Sometimes you can't get back the time you lose.

When you smoke time passes differently. Time is a balance thing. You full it doing something. The other people who arent smoking are passing time by doing something else. Some people can smoke and still be productive. Some people can smoke forever and still be productive. Other people have their phases. I had my phase where I was on this whole creative buz getting heaps of art done and then it turned all nasty in my head and just became something i did out of habit and it zapped me socially.

Just think about how you want to be spending your time because you cant get time back.

Illusive has it right.

It seems to me that your parents will catch you high or smoking eventually, so you either need to be up front with them and actually try to quit or smoke much less(and not on your property).

Just look back on what you do when you are high and evaluate if it really was such a good time. What seems like a great activity while high(like watching adult swim on tv or the like) usually doesn't seem so amazing when you wake up the next day.

If you have ADD, which I assume you do since you are on this forum, weed DOES NOT help focusing overall. For me, it keeps me from being so bored, but not as a result of increased concentration. Perhaps a proper medication would work better than bud.

If you really want to quit, you can.

Illusive has it right.

It seems to me that your parents will catch you high or smoking eventually, so you either need to be up front with them and actually try to quit or smoke much less(and not on your property).

Just look back on what you do when you are high and evaluate if it really was such a good time. What seems like a great activity while high(like watching adult swim on tv or the like) usually doesn't seem so amazing when you wake up the next day.

If you have ADD, which I assume you do since you are on this forum, weed DOES NOT help focusing overall. For me, it keeps me from being so bored, but not as a result of increased concentration. Perhaps a proper medication would work better than bud.

If you really want to quit, you can.

Initially my grades went up and everything was on the up, then it all went downhill (from epic fail to not fail).

I come home really ****ed up quite often and the parents are yet to accuse me of smoking. I'm trying to smoke less but that means sitting around playing xbox (not stoned) all day because all of my mates always get stoned and when i'm over i get offered a cone and go whats one cone gonna do and rip it. I like the odd spin actually, with menthol cigarettes mixed with weed, more weed than menthol but erm tobacco is horrid and i'll never ever smoke it (I don't smoke it anyway, although i've had a few cigars before, i dont smoke it on a regular basis/feel the need for a smoke).

perhaps if my mother believed i had adhd and not justify the reason that she likes to come in when i have a doctors appointment (she takes the doctors words and twists them to make me do stuff but i tell her to get ****ed) as 'oh i dont want the doctor diagnosing you with something you don't have', but thats alright i dont say anything when my mums there, but she is extremely nosy and the things she says imply that i'm faking adhd, although im about to get a referral to be tested for it and probably anxiety and depression (things i dont think weed caused, but made worse probably, when i was told what anxiety is i realised i've always had it).
Oh yeah also she always says 'i know what your going through and blah blah blah' which is a load of **** i say, because IT'S THEIR FAULT that i've had two psychologists say i'm 'disconnected' from the family and its their fault i take drugs (it's my choice to say yes at a mates place to have a few cones, i dont get peer pressured into it but its just fun).

well she may actually know how you feel, I mean she was young once and you said earlier I think maybe did some underage drinking? so she might be totally overcompensating by being nosy, irrational etc...
good intentions, but wrong approach. (very wrong) You should be going to your own dr appointments by now.
as for quitting look at some level it's screwing you up. I smoked a little very occasionally; had some when I was pregnant but hadn't found out I was pregnant yet. I fainted, hit my head on a counter and had to go to the hospital for stitiches. (i have never lied so much in my life as in that one evening!) so my point is chemically it's affecting you. I don't blame you though and I SO easily could have become addicted. but then as you see my life changed quickly...
I have absolutely no advice regarding how to quit, though.

do you have any dreams Johnny123?

anything you want to do with your life?

do you have any dreams Johnny123?

anything you want to do with your life?

when i think about it a million things rushes to my head at the same time at a good time when im about to attempt to get another nights sleep then wake up at the exact same time in the morning once again.

I don't know but since i'm ****ing school up badly because i've never had motivation to work and i know all the tricks to get out of doing work at school. I'm rather anxious about when the end of year reports arrive as my parents aren't forgiving, according to them i dont have any problems other than mild depression and they both 'know what it's like'.

Its a tough situation Johnny I wish there were easy answers for you. My folks always claimed to know what i was going through but they never have, its very VERY frustrating.

they speak to me like its my fault it all happened kinda, rather weird parents.

arghhh im tempted to get high, just to watch this video.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=M3iOROuTuMA&feature=channel

how do you fight the temptation? i cant be stuffed doing anything.

they speak to me like its my fault it all happened kinda, rather weird parents.

Many people think ADHD, depression, and other mental "disorders" are an excuse for laziness, underachievement, etc. Some folks think the same of learning disabilities.

I think your parents are thinking along these lines, unfortunately.

Many people think ADHD, depression, and other mental "disorders" are an excuse for laziness, underachievement, etc. Some folks think the same of learning disabilities.

I think your parents are thinking along these lines, unfortunately.

I stuck it to them today when my bloodtest i had recently came back with 100% perfect results, all my vitamin levels are at perfect levels (iron and other ones). and everything else is perfect except for some cholesterol thing is slightly higher than it should be (by 0.1 of something)

Start going to NA/AA meetings. I resisted this for years, part out of laziness, part out of self-delusion, part out of pride. Now, I'm six months clean for the first since my early adolescent days.

You may be thinking that you're not an addict. Maybe you're not, but since you can't seem to quit on your own you might as well get the help. The people in 12 steps meetings can help you negotiate all the pitfalls that come from trying to sober up. They can help you learn to live the good life and even non-addicts deserve to enjoy the good life. Use your problem as a catalyst to spurn self-growth.

One thing to keep in mind, marijuana does have an addictive process that includes withdrawal. Many pot-smokers are in denial about this. When someone's addicted to any other drug (be it heroin or caffeine), they will recognize the symptoms of withdrawal when they don't get their fix. When potheads experience withdrawal they tend to think of it as just the feeling of being sober. If you think that life sucks when you're sober, that sober life is full of anxiety and worry, then just remember that you probably haven't been 'sober' in years. Take one week off and notice how much better you feel after each day. Then realize that it will take much longer for you to get to true sobriety. Then get some help.

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I don't think they really know how you feel; I ended up regretting writing this, it looks like a bad advice column. My parents didn't understand a lot of things either.
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I just wanted to take back part of my last post :
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I don't think they really know how you feel; I ended up regretting writing this, it looks like a bad advice column. My parents didn't understand a lot of things either.
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Don't worry we all make mistakes, just i make too many according to mum. Arghhh i didnt realise i hate my own mother this much but i actually do. She knows i smoke dope i think cause she's like to me 'whenever you goto calums you drink and do other **** stuff' and then she went on about the dangers of drinking (she drinks heavily herself, not on a regular basis, its whenever she's near alcohol she drinks the whole bottle kinda thing)

i had the worst time stopping smoking pot. All my friends smoke all the time, and while they didn't care if i smoked with them or not, it's pretty damn hard to say no to free weed, especially when you can't see any immediate negative effects. I started getting medication for my ADD a few months ago, and suddenly I just didn't care about toking up anymore. my friends would call me up and say "hey, you wanna go on a blunt ride?" and I'd just go "nah man, i got homework to do." It was the weirdest thing the first time it happened. I never used to do homework, and I thought you'd have to be crazy to turn down a free toke session. The few times I have smoked up on my meds, I've gotten mad-crazy paranoia and social anxiety and it's just not enjoyable anymore.
maybe you could distract yourself by using your creative bong-making skills to make non-smoking related things. or try push-ups like prtsimmons suggested- my brother's been trying to quit toking and he says he just exercises and lifts weights and stuff whenever he wants to smoke a joint.

I have struggled with this for years now, with my longest time sober being 9 months. I think the hardest part for me is the replacing the time i spent smoking with hobby that i have interest in. Also since i smoke cigarettes i think that kinda pulls me back into old habits. For me i think i need to quit the cigarettes first, yes quit the legal government taxed substance that has been proven to have no positive benefits and proven to kill you.

Well before i get off topic, try thinking of quitting differently. Like not that you can never do it again, just not at that moment. I found that very helpful in the early stages of quitting. For me i have never been able to stop something just because people discouraged or punished me for doing it. Also the reason for quitting has got to be your own, although fear of being caught can help to intiate quitting but the desire to quit has to be yours.

Trying to put my addictive personality to good use.

Good Luck with your journey

i had the worst time stopping smoking pot. All my friends smoke all the time, and while they didn't care if i smoked with them or not, it's pretty damn hard to say no to free weed, especially when you can't see any immediate negative effects. I started getting medication for my ADD a few months ago, and suddenly I just didn't care about toking up anymore. my friends would call me up and say "hey, you wanna go on a blunt ride?" and I'd just go "nah man, i got homework to do." It was the weirdest thing the first time it happened. I never used to do homework, and I thought you'd have to be crazy to turn down a free toke session. The few times I have smoked up on my meds, I've gotten mad-crazy paranoia and social anxiety and it's just not enjoyable anymore.
maybe you could distract yourself by using your creative bong-making skills to make non-smoking related things. or try push-ups like prtsimmons suggested- my brother's been trying to quit toking and he says he just exercises and lifts weights and stuff whenever he wants to smoke a joint.
Hmmm the bad thing is i get left home alone ALOT and it's the holidays right now and theres a bunch of the most chronic strong weed i've ever touched in my life just sitting in the shed owned by my dad (actually i think he's slowing down his intake, or it's just so chronic that you dont smoke any and get done).

I have struggled with this for years now, with my longest time sober being 9 months. I think the hardest part for me is the replacing the time i spent smoking with hobby that i have interest in. Also since i smoke cigarettes i think that kinda pulls me back into old habits. For me i think i need to quit the cigarettes first, yes quit the legal government taxed substance that has been proven to have no positive benefits and proven to kill you.

Well before i get off topic, try thinking of quitting differently. Like not that you can never do it again, just not at that moment. I found that very helpful in the early stages of quitting. For me i have never been able to stop something just because people discouraged or punished me for doing it. Also the reason for quitting has got to be your own, although fear of being caught can help to intiate quitting but the desire to quit has to be yours.

Trying to put my addictive personality to good use.

Good Luck with your journey

My G.P. said that 'other doctors would look at putting me on a stimulant but i dont want to because you would have a chance at getting addicted' Smoking cigarettes, my experience with it wasn't that good, i used to have the odd spin but i didnt feel like smoking more as my lungs would be just dead, really really dead so i'm rather lucky nobody around me has said yes to buying me a pack when i've asked becuase i would of smoked them. I haven't had a smoke since originally posting this topic. I didnt get to tell him everything because that nosy mother of mine insisted on coming in because she wanted to see my blood test results, i hate her so much for that, i've always hated her.

I can relate to not wanting to be on stimulants, some of the side effects are difficult at times. I am concerned with addiction as well, Me being aware of my addictive personality and reluctance to change, has helped me. However i wouldn't take more then is prescribed in fact when starting out i struggled to take them consistantly. my first rx of 30 1a day pills took over 2 months. The second rx is what im on now and have only missed 1 day so far. The positive benifits start to become more apparent, for me it has been comprehension of what was said, focus and being aware of the foot too mouth insertions as they happen and sometimes before.

I can understand the frustration with Parents and there over barring approach too our struggles. As you age sometimes your perspective can change, i always felt that my parents werent there for me. They split up when i was 5, they both had household to support as well as providing for themselves and me. My mom would pay my brother and I 5$ to babysit eachother while she worked 3 parttime jobs and went to school fulltime to be able to provide the basics for the family. When i was going through it at the time i was very angry and disrespectful towards my mom and any authoritve figures. Today i look back and think, how did she manage to do as well as she did? would i have done the same if i was in her shoes? There is alot of guilt between the 2 of us, BUt Deep down i always new i was loved.

Maybe try taking some time and try to think or her perspective. Why is she so nousy? IS she trying to make you avoid some of the mistakes she has made in the past?
Do you have a HIstory of making good desicions yourself?

Im sure there are many more questions you can ask yourself to help you get a better idea of why she does the things that bother you.

I can relate to not wanting to be on stimulants, some of the side effects are difficult at times. I am concerned with addiction as well, Me being aware of my addictive personality and reluctance to change, has helped me. However i wouldn't take more then is prescribed in fact when starting out i struggled to take them consistantly. my first rx of 30 1a day pills took over 2 months. The second rx is what im on now and have only missed 1 day so far. The positive benifits start to become more apparent, for me it has been comprehension of what was said, focus and being aware of the foot too mouth insertions as they happen and sometimes before.

I can understand the frustration with Parents and there over barring approach too our struggles. As you age sometimes your perspective can change, i always felt that my parents werent there for me. They split up when i was 5, they both had household to support as well as providing for themselves and me. My mom would pay my brother and I 5$ to babysit eachother while she worked 3 parttime jobs and went to school fulltime to be able to provide the basics for the family. When i was going through it at the time i was very angry and disrespectful towards my mom and any authoritve figures. Today i look back and think, how did she manage to do as well as she did? would i have done the same if i was in her shoes? There is alot of guilt between the 2 of us, BUt Deep down i always new i was loved.

Maybe try taking some time and try to think or her perspective. Why is she so nousy? IS she trying to make you avoid some of the mistakes she has made in the past?
Do you have a HIstory of making good desicions yourself?

Im sure there are many more questions you can ask yourself to help you get a better idea of why she does the things that bother you.

my family has lots of drugs in it (not my immediate, but mainly cousins, uncles, etc). I'm beginning to think they all have the same problem.

maybe she was left to her own a lot and figures "if someone would have really laid down the law with me I wouldn't have made these mistakes".
Really you can overcompensate as a parent; my dad for example never showed anger, as he grew up in a home with conflicts; but this was actually unhealthy. my parents were extremely rigid about timing and schedules - as a result my son had NO structure for meals and bedtimes when he was little.
I wish she would just listen to you though...

maybe she was left to her own a lot and figures "if someone would have really laid down the law with me I wouldn't have made these mistakes".
Really you can overcompensate as a parent; my dad for example never showed anger, as he grew up in a home with conflicts; but this was actually unhealthy. my parents were extremely rigid about timing and schedules - as a result my son had NO structure for meals and bedtimes when he was little.
I wish she would just listen to you though...
she's starting to, i told her i feel better without this edronax **** in my system and she agreed. I think theres just a way you gotta say it to get into her (thick, no dought damaged by the amount she used to drink brain).

I just realised i've always done the exact opposite of what they told me to do. used to get scolded for watching southpark, and what did i do, watch it more and more and i'd watched the movie twice by the time i was 10. I cant stand southpark now but erm just using it as an example. They over react to stuff i do, it's really ****ed. i'm not paranoid because sometimes i'll take pictures of how my room was before i go out
and when i come back i take pictures before i touch anything and find that notes on my desk have been turned over, stuff has been shuffled around on my desk and picked through. They're the paranoid ones i say. mainly mum who now thinks i have no medical reason to be tired all the time (caffeine doesn't do the trick anymore, i need to take such a large doseage of it now it'll be killing me soon) and that i'm lazy because of that, i'm getting called lazy now. And it'd just seem awkward if i put an information sheet about adhd in front of her because she'd discount it as she always does (say something like 'no your just lazy and need to work').

Are you old enough to get a part time job? It would kill two birds with one stone...your Mom couldn't complain about you being lazy and you'd get out of the house and away from the weed. You're obviously pretty independent, the healthy response to that is to take a step away in regards to responsibilities. (I know, I sound like a parent, but actually I was thinking of when I was a teenager and my Dad made me get a job and start paying for stuff like driver's ed, clothes, etc.)

Are you old enough to get a part time job? It would kill two birds with one stone...your Mom couldn't complain about you being lazy and you'd get out of the house and away from the weed. You're obviously pretty independent, the healthy response to that is to take a step away in regards to responsibilities. (I know, I sound like a parent, but actually I was thinking of when I was a teenager and my Dad made me get a job and start paying for stuff like driver's ed, clothes, etc.)

I've had one since i was 13 :) I always always wanted to get a job when i was younger and managed to get a well paying job at the age of 13 (paid as much as people who are 16 get at 13). The downside is i always **** up and i've got a very very forgiving boss which probably isn't good as most bosses wont be like this one, this boss is just awesome fun to be around because he is absolutely hilarious.

This is bad, dad and one of my cousins are over at the back and the whole house absolutely REEKS of weed and my 4th coffee before 10am :) but it absolutely reeeeeks.

um, what's wrong with this picture? you should be searching their stuff for drugs!

um, what's wrong with this picture? you should be searching their stuff for drugs!
I already know where dad keeps his weed, seen at least 2 oz there at a time sometimes of the most chronic, strong non hydro weed i've ever seen, you need such a tiny amount of it to get too high to move.

Menthol ciggies and dope!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm gonna vommie!:):):):)

I was lucky, i smoked for ages but never got addicted, so when it started making me paranoid ('Don't open the door!') i just stopped, but you're a little weed addie. And for some people it really is a hardcore habit. It really messes with your mind and brain so i hope you can stop.

I'm sorry you're parents aren't being intelligent about ADD and helping and supporting you as they should be. Be angry about it but don't use it as an excuse to keep smoking, you're just doing yourself damage trying to make a point, which will probably fall on deaf ears anyway. And if you do give it up be super conscious of picking up another habit to replace it.

And wear clean underwear.:)

(But seriously, good luck.)

been clean for just about a week now and yeah feel fine, had a headache as i'm coming off an evil depressant called edronax (it doesn't deserve the term anti-).

That's great Johnny. I hope things continue to be a success for you. :)

That's great Johnny. I hope things continue to be a success for you. :)

the end of year reports came in and it's too funny, every comment is the same! 'lack of focus, easily distracted but has potential to do well'

Do your teachers have a clue?

Do your teachers have a clue?
I don't think so, I think they are on the same team as my parents, the 'your just lazy' team.

Last term i did wag alot though, to get out of assignments, it was so funny, my school found out but failed to notify my parents. or they might have and my parents havent confronted me, but i know they would.

It's important to stop. Other than being still illegal (it's not worth going to jail for), it causes brain damage. The debate on medical marajuana can be done in our Private Debate forum.

Uh, no it most certainly does not. You shouldn't spout off misinformation like that, especially when the opposite has been proven true. Marijuana has been proven to be neuroprotective (the opposite of causing brain damage), which is why it's being investigated as a treatment/cure for alzhiemers (since it's 99% more effective at treating alzhiemers than any medication on the market). I know that NIDA and a bunch of other extremely biased people have said marijuana kills brain cells, but harvard, yale, the institute of medicine, the journal of neurology, and literally hundreds of other reliable medical communities have PROVEN the opposite.

Anyways, here's how you quit...























Don't smoke pot anymore. It's really easy since it's not addictive and you won't get physical withdrawl when you don't smoke. Sure you might miss it, but no more than you would miss watching a tv show, or going to the movies. Just don't buy it anymore, and don't say yes if someone offers to smoke you out. It's really that simple. It's pot, it's not crack, it's not heroin, and it's not desoxyn (har har meth joke). Just don't smoke it anymore. If you can't say no to pot, than you simply have no will power.

My problem is it happens due of the moment. I dont set out to get weed, i dont have urges to smoke it, but i goto someones house and they all smoke billys and sometimes i can't resist it.

I dont buy weed, i leech.

I have smoked gunga and hash on and off between the age of 16 to 40.

I was a never a heavy user relative to people smoking daily morning afternoon and night.
Though I did have some periods of daily use but only a joint or two most often in the evening

I got through several trade qualifictions, then bored of these and ****ed off with being pushed around by uni degree people that had no idea beyond their book learning so I went to uni in my field and surprised my family friends and myself and ended up with a phd and publishing record. All while having the occaisonal binge of cannibis.

I will say the taste for it decreased as I have grown older, and the funny sociable side diminishes in my experience. Living in India and the Himalayas for several years has changed my attitude to it dramatically, not in a negative sense but that I see it as more a potential spiritual tool and to be used only in a spiritual context. As well as being a gift for certain medical conditions. being these situations I slowly lost my western youth perception from the 70's etc that it was a fun drug and a statement of rebellion to the terribly unjust system we all live in.

After early binges living in Nepal in the early 80's it seemed to slowly drop out of my life, or at least to a low use level, due I think to over exposure to cheap good gear I think (like the Dutch experience that is now coming through strong and significant, when it loses its rebellious and cool status with younger people and becomes mundane like alcohol coffee and tobacco, it actually becomes far less popular than those big legal 3 and rarely a problem.

However, up to the age 40 gunga still persisted as a weekend wind down drug in my life.

At age 40 this stopped not for any effort of will or visiting AA or finding religion or something. At this age I took salvia divinorum in a purely ethneogenic context and after 2 experiences with salvia after dusk in a quite dark and copmfortable space with a sitter, the gunga and tobacco just dropped out of my life for several years. The experience with salvia was intense but relatively short (chewing bitter fresh leaves) so one hour of intense experience and several days of afterglow. The inten=se phase was and still is hard to put in words. In using salvia I was not seeking a stop to grass or tobacco though, I was more curious of its effects and insights and this loss of addictions just happened like an unexpected byproduct.

No effort, just no desire for it in a habitual way anymore.

I broke this gunga fast after several years but not in a craving way. Now I still use cannibis once or twice a year (a bit like some practicing Hindus that drink bhang lassi once or twice a year at religious festivals like Shivarartri). However I have never smoked it since those 2 salvia experiences it is often mixed here with tobacco (particularly hash) and my taste for tobacco has turned to a nasuea (incidentally I am one who was physically addicted to tobacco due to pot and hash use as the doorway drug to this bigger nasty.

Incidentally, I have not used Salvia since this experience, and our stupid government as since made it illegal. I am a bit angry at those who made Salvia illegal which I primarily blame for idiots who used it stupidly, they did not treat it with respect it deserves. They treated it like alcohol, like some that posted idiot videos on youtube

I have since found much anecdotal evidence that many others have share this benefit from Salvia use in the right context. I would love to see some hard research on this It is reported by many as being a antiaddictive agent a bit like iboga and mescaline.

I am now at peace with pot, I still may use it, in the best possible way, and never more than once or twice a year. I dont seek it, but if it comes along and the situation is right where I can take some time out in nature, perhaps with a friend perhaps alone and I can have it prepared so to eat it. I may consider it? I may not? it is just not a problem anymore.

wow, what a cool story

thanks

i wish i had your problems... (directed at op)

Hi,
Really you gave a thought provoking story.I took initially some of the practices like gunja,cigarettes but now I am happy as I left the smoking habit completely.I strongly believe that any addiction can be reformed.

Don't smoke pot anymore. It's really easy since it's not addictive and you won't get physical withdrawl when you don't smoke. Sure you might miss it, but no more than you would miss watching a tv show, or going to the movies. Just don't buy it anymore, and don't say yes if someone offers to smoke you out. It's really that simple. It's pot, it's not crack, it's not heroin, and it's not desoxyn (har har meth joke). Just don't smoke it anymore. If you can't say no to pot, than you simply have no will power.Pot may not be physically addictive, but it most certainly can be mentally addictive. People with ADD can use it to 'self medicate' in a way - it helps slow down the brain and not worry as much at first. If you find something that helps you feel relatively 'normal' for the first time in your life, of course than can be ****ing addictive.

If you can't say no to pot you simply have no willpower? Wow dude, that's really helpful. People can find all sorts of things addictive and it doesn't help telling them they have no willpower. Some people find things more difficult than others and it's just not that simple. I found tobacco much easier to quit than pot.

Pot doesn't kill braincells or cause brain damage but it can have a whole heap of other effects that can be pretty nasty. I've seen people become withdrawn and depressed from smoking too much weed, they claimed 'it doesn't cause brain damage' but just like too much of anything - it can def. cause problems.

- Missing out on social stuff because you're too paranoid
- Never becoming good at anything because you're stoned all the time
- missing opportunities in life, employment, girlfriends/wife
+ lots more I can't think of right now

even the day after smoking weed senses are blunted and you often have residual effects.

All this stuff can happen when you smoke too much without you noticing it. You're in a hazy bubble and you just don't care. I'm not saying everyone is effected like this but a fair few bong heads I've known are like this - almost all of them to a certain extent.

Nice job on quitting Johnny, you should be proud of yourself.

The only pot smokers I've met that haven't had any problems caused by it are the ones who have a joint or two on the weekend, and keep it at that. For a harmless drug I've seen heaps of harm caused by its misuse. I still think it should probably be legal but there should me more education on the effects of smoking weed often.

Pot may not be physically addictive, but it most certainly can be mentally addictive. People with ADD can use it to 'self medicate' in a way - it helps slow down the brain and not worry as much at first. If you find something that helps you feel relatively 'normal' for the first time in your life, of course than can be ****ing addictive.

Pot can be addictive mentally, sure, but only in the same way that running every day is mentally addictive, or using the internet every day is mentally addictive. I make these comparisons because to compare the mentally addictive qualities of pot to those of other drugs (say, meth) would be to compare driving a ford with driving a lamborghini.


If you can't say no to pot you simply have no willpower? Wow dude, that's really helpful. People can find all sorts of things addictive and it doesn't help telling them they have no willpower. Some people find things more difficult than others and it's just not that simple. I found tobacco much easier to quit than pot.

Actually it is pretty helpful. You quit pot by not smoking pot and by saying no to pot. You won't have cravings like you would with a cigarette, and you won't have physical withdrawal symptoms like you would with an opiate. So aside from your unprovoked desire to smoke some herb every day because you enjoy the feeling, there is nothing keeping you from quitting it, and hence, it comes down to will power. If you can't say no to a drug when you're trying to stop taking it because you like the feeling you get from it, then you're a dolt who lets his feelings overrun his rationale.


Pot doesn't kill braincells or cause brain damage but it can have a whole heap of other effects that can be pretty nasty. I've seen people become withdrawn and depressed from smoking too much weed, they claimed 'it doesn't cause brain damage' but just like too much of anything - it can def. cause problems.

I've seen people get withdrawn and depressed from smoking weed too, but is it due to the weed itself, or to the situations you find yourself in when you smoke, which become cyclical and hard to break out of? For example, instead of going out with friends every day, you get high and play world of warcraft. Now when you aren't smoking weed, you don't have those friends to go out with anymore because you always blew them off, and thus, you don't go out and get depressed. Was it the weed directly that hurt your social life, or was it the lifestyle you chose to indulge in while high, which hurt your social life? I could say the same thing about sleeping too much. Causality does not imply causation, my friend.


- Missing out on social stuff because you're too paranoid
- Never becoming good at anything because you're stoned all the time
- missing opportunities in life, employment, girlfriends/wife
+ lots more I can't think of right now

-Plenty of people go out while they're high, this is ridiculous.
-If you're on any drug all the time some aspect of your life will become impaired, but I'll assume that pot smokers aren't high 24/7 and that they can learn to be good at something (see: GEICO CEO).
-Plenty of stoners have girlfriends, jobs, etc, because they don't let pot get in the way of any of those things. People who do let pot get in the way of their lives were probably going to end up like losers anyways because they don't know how to prioritize.
+ your memory seems to be impaired, are you high?


even the day after smoking weed senses are blunted and you often have residual effects.

I never did, neither did anyone I knew. I've never actually seen someone experience the mythical "pot hangover".



The only pot smokers I've met that haven't had any problems caused by it are the ones who have a joint or two on the weekend, and keep it at that. For a harmless drug I've seen heaps of harm caused by its misuse. I still think it should probably be legal but there should me more education on the effects of smoking weed often.

I agree with you that usage defines the type of user. ***removed by Moderator. *This forum is NOT to be used to offer tips, suggestions or recommendations on the use of illicit drugs, or the off-label use of licit medications.*

Pot can be addictive mentally, sure, but only in the same way that running every day is mentally addictive, or using the internet every day is mentally addictive. I make these comparisons because to compare the mentally addictive qualities of pot to those of other drugs (say, meth) would be to compare driving a ford with driving a lamborghini.Yes comparing it with other physically addictive drugs would be foolish.

Actually it is pretty helpful. You quit pot by not smoking pot and by saying no to pot. You won't have cravings like you would with a cigarette, and you won't have physical withdrawal symptoms like you would with an opiate. So aside from your unprovoked desire to smoke some herb every day because you enjoy the feeling, there is nothing keeping you from quitting it, and hence, it comes down to will power. If you can't say no to a drug when you're trying to stop taking it because you like the feeling you get from it, then you're a dolt who lets his feelings overrun his rationale.It's HUMAN to let feelings overrun your rationale sometimes. We can't be 100% logical all the time.

Other things can keep you from quitting. Some people rely on the effects of weed to go to sleep, to help them 'escape' from their problems or to help chill them out. These are all things some people have to deal with when quitting pot and they can complicate things.

I've quit pot. But I did find it hard because it was covering up other issues I had and when I suddenly stopped all these things came to the surface. You have to learn other ways to deal with this stuff - it's not right to rely on pot to solve your problems but it makes quitting hard if you've been doing this.

I've seen people get withdrawn and depressed from smoking weed too, but is it due to the weed itself, or to the situations you find yourself in when you smoke, which become cyclical and hard to break out of? For example, instead of going out with friends every day, you get high and play world of warcraft. Now when you aren't smoking weed, you don't have those friends to go out with any more because you always blew them off, and thus, you don't go out and get depressed. Was it the weed directly that hurt your social life, or was it the lifestyle you chose to indulge in while high, which hurt your social life? I could say the same thing about sleeping too much. Causality does not imply causation, my friend.It's the lifestyle they choose to indulge in while high. But would the exact same thing happen if this person had not been smoking weed? maybe. Yes you could say the exact same thing about sleeping too much.


-Plenty of people go out while they're high, this is ridiculous.
-If you're on any drug all the time some aspect of your life will become impaired, but I'll assume that pot smokers aren't high 24/7 and that they can learn to be good at something (see: GEICO CEO).
-Plenty of stoners have girlfriends, jobs, etc, because they don't let pot get in the way of any of those things. People who do let pot get in the way of their lives were probably going to end up like losers anyways because they don't know how to prioritise.
+ your memory seems to be impaired, are you high?I clearly said that pot won't effect everyone like this. ADDers have problems with prioritising. I let pot get in the way of my life, I'm not saying it's the drugs fault. I'm not a loser. I have a job, lots of friends, my own house and I'm currently studying.

No. I'm not high. I don't smoke pot anymore. I have noticed that my memory has not been as good after the years I used pot.

Some people can cope with smoking pot and some can't. IT's got nothing to do with being a dolt or a loser. Everyone has their weaknesses and mine was smoking weed. I found it very difficult to quit. I realise I over-did it and that was my fault, but that doesn't make me a dolt.

I never did, neither did anyone I knew. I've never actually seen someone experience the mythical "pot hangover".
That's fine. Lots of people can attest to the 'pot hangover' though. Especially if I smoked before bed, I found that it made me foggy for the whole next day. Maybe it was because I still had THC in my bloodstream? I don't know. But I know what I personally experienced.

I agree with you that usage defines the type of user. ... So long as you don't have a pre-existing mental disorder like schizophrenia that could possibly be triggered. I think smoking at young ages is probably harmful as well.

But yes, it's generally a safe drug and I'm all for legalising it.

I don't have any problems with people smoking weed, I don't think it's physically harmful apart from the smoking aspect ***removed by moderator***
I'm sure you have your weaknesses. Mine personally was smoking pot and having trouble with saying no. This doesn't make me a dolt or an idiot.

The main thing that ****ed me off was If you can't say no to pot, than you simply have no will power. I have willpower and I had trouble saying no to pot. Saying this doesn't help anyone, this is a support forum. Just because you might find something easy doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else. I really hate that attitude and it makes you come off as high-and-mighty (;)) and superior.

Again - I couldn't say no to pot sometimes, some people can't say no to pot. This doesn't 'simply' mean they have no willpower. You don't know these people or what situation they are in, how can you judge them and call them 'dolts'?

I probably overacted with my posts, you just hit a nerve with the no willpower thing. Plus the ...you're a dolt who lets his feelings overrun his rationale and ...were probably going to end up like losers anyways because they don't know how to prioritize.

It probably does come down to willpower in the end, for most - if you can't quit it's a lack of willpower...but not evidence of none.

Who knows maybe some people have certain brain chemistry that makes it harder for them to resist certain things like smoking pot? In that case it'd be kinda like someone telling an ADDer 'you just need to try harder' - maybe this stuff is biological rather than some sort of moral failing, in at least some cases.

I wrongly assumed you were one of those ridiculously pro-pot people. Who are only willing to see the good and none of the bad. I met this one guy who claimed smoking pot actually prevented lung cancer :)

I wrongly assumed you were one of those ridiculously pro-pot people. Who are only willing to see the good and none of the bad. I met this one guy who claimed smoking pot actually prevented lung cancer :)

Judging by that quote, I'm guessing you never actually looked into his claims...

I stopped smoking hashish after smoking it about everyday for a year. It eventually got to the point where it was one of the biggest parts of my life. Bigger than trying to take care of school, my problems, my hygiene, etc.
It took some time but finally I noticed how much I cared for smoking cannabis and not caring for much else. And thats when I stopped.
And now I haven't smoked for 4 months, and I feel much better..

I smoke weed also and I have found it is more for self medication thatn anything else. When I went to see my GP regarding my symptoms I explained to her that I smoke to calm myself down. I dont smoke it during the day, unless I get really frustrated, and only smoke it after work to wind the day down.

I do realise though that I need to stop smoking it though for my health, physically and mentally, but I am actually scared at the thought of going without for even a few days. I nearly got the sack the other day because of my symptoms and I fear the worst if I stop. When I get meds I will stop.

What other strateges do people use to wind down after a hard day, or if you get frustrated? How do you calm yourself down? I could maybe implement some and see if they help.

Judging by that quote, I'm guessing you never actually looked into his claims...

You're right I didn't.

I guessed that smoking something couldn't prevent lung cancer. My guess was under the assumption that inhaling smoke from burning plant matter is generally unhealthy. I'm not arrogant enough to say that I'm right without doing any research on it.

Do you have any information that states smoking cannabis prevents lung cancer?

Just did a quick search and it seems there's no proof that it does. One study says there's no link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer, another says that THC may be therapeutic in treating lung cancer - with mice they injected THC and tumours shrank by 50%, another says one joint may be as harmful as 5 cigarettes.

It's kinda hard to know which way it will go but it looks like THC itself might be beneficial. I think more study is needed on the subject before we conclude either way.

You're right I didn't.

I guessed that smoking something couldn't prevent lung cancer. My guess was under the assumption that inhaling smoke from burning plant matter is generally unhealthy. I'm not arrogant enough to say that I'm right without doing any research on it.

Do you have any information that states smoking cannabis prevents lung cancer?

Just did a quick search and it seems there's no proof that it does. One study says there's no link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer, another says that THC may be therapeutic in treating lung cancer - with mice they injected THC and tumours shrank by 50%, another says one joint may be as harmful as 5 cigarettes.

It's kinda hard to know which way it will go but it looks like THC itself might be beneficial. I think more study is needed on the subject before we conclude either way.

You're dead on the money. There is proof that smoking pot will not cause lung cancer, or any kind of cancer for that matter, and there is proof of a possible negative correlation between the two (which should be further investigated).

And yeah there have been studies that show THC and other cannabinoids to reduce tumor size in-vitro and in-vivo, but like I said about the other findings, this should be further investigated. If marijuana actually does turn out to treat cancer in humans, I doubt the route of delivery would make much of a difference. Once the pot gets into your system it can help treat the cancer. If smoking pot isn't related to cancer rates (which is proven now), and if pot is shown to treat cancer, then I would say it's safe to assume that smoking pot will treat cancer.

Since the inception of cigarettes, the majority of the population seems to believe that smoking anything causes lung cancer, which is why smoking cigarettes causes cancer. It seems reasonable that smoking anything could damage your lungs and even lead to cancer, since inhaling burned particulates is not good for you, but cancer is rarely (if ever) a result of the actual mechanisms of smoking. Yes, it's definitely not good to inhale smoke, it's perfectly fine to assume that and I would agree with you on that assumption. However, cancer from cigarettes does not come from the fact that you are inhaling smoke, but rather from inhaling radioactive chemicals which are found in the tobacco. Tobacco companies actually use radioactive fertilizer to grow their tobacco because it gives their tobacco a certain taste. It's the radioactive fertilizer that is responsible for the cancer rates associated with cigarettes, and not the act of smoking itself. If you were to eat a cigarette you would still end up with cancer, even though nothing was smoked. This is the same reason that using chewing tobacco will give you cancer too, even though you don't smoke it. If you look at the data, you'll see that cancer rates associated with tobacco use were actually very low up until the mid 1900's when companies switched to radioactive fertilizer, at which point the cancer rates shot waaaaay up. It's actually pretty interesting.

Anyways, bottom line: Is smoking bad for your lungs.. probably. Will smoking pot cause cancer... no. If smoking pot isn't associated with any rate of cancer (proven), and THC has been shown to treat cancer (proven), then is it safe to assume that smoking pot will also treat cancer... probably, but this should be further checked out, I'm just baseing my conclusion on the above logical syllogism. Should you be skeptical of what your average pro-pot hippy tells you... absolutely (and the same goes for what some guy named JeffPuffer tells you on an ADHD forum ;) )

one of my mates is in hospital, i dont know exactly why, all i know is he went crazy and **** after having a bong, and is really confused and **** now.

I hope your friend will be ok.

I hope your friend will be ok.
it's the second person ive heard of this year to have this happen to them.

Probably lased with something......(for editing reasons I will not elaborate)

Probably lased with something......(for editing reasons I will not elaborate)

I had a cone of the same stuff and it was normal.

the only bad thing was it is hydroponically grown and most of the time the only weed i smoke is naturally grown.

I have an addictive personality so i need to stop before i depend on it.

i'm also AMAAAZINGLY high right now its like errrrrr walked in and i knew my parents saw my highness.

i need to stop it but erm anyone got some ideas? i've already alienated myself from alot of my friends but i just cant stop, weed just finds me, i dont need to search for it, i can goto the shed and an ounce or two of top quality stuff and take a tiny bit to get high because my dad smokes, i goto mates place and they've got weed, its bad, this herb just finds me!!

also i've gotten really good at crafting bongs, today it was a double chamber dual cone bong which got me ****ed up earliar. I make them so perfect they look neat and are sealed, its like its in my family as my dad smokes heavily.

There was a saying here in the U.S. in the 80's.........JUST SAY NO!

They also showed an egg frying to represent your brain on drugs.
So I had a t-shirt that had a picture of a breakfast platter that said "this is your brain with a side of bacon and toast"

But seriously, just walk away (or run) when someone busts it out.
I would bail if it was around!

lately ive been using dope to get to sleep, it slows my head down and allows me to get a full night sleep. I wake up feeling energized and ready for the day (and in a positive mood). I have also been smoking naturally grown weed which is better than hydroponically grown weed.

lately ive been using dope to get to sleep, it slows my head down and allows me to get a full night sleep. I wake up feeling energized and ready for the day (and in a positive mood). I have also been smoking naturally grown weed which is better than hydroponically grown weed.


My counselor suggested some melatonin as an alternative to "self medicating" to achive sleep.

(haven't gotten any yet)

I get the same effects from chammomile-mint tea with honey (I mean my mind quieting down) and I'm trying meditation. The latter is difficult, but a mantra for a minute is better than nothing. Then I read until the book hits my face. There's got to be other ways of getting to sleep.

I get the same effects from chammomile-mint tea with honey (I mean my mind quieting down) and I'm trying meditation. The latter is difficult, but a mantra for a minute is better than nothing. Then I read until the book hits my face. There's got to be other ways of getting to sleep.
when you have a smoke your brain slows down which allows me to sleep. I don't want to try sleeping pills as i've heard horrible things about them. I used to be rolling around in my bed for hours with thoughts about everything running through my head, when i smoke it gets rid of those and i sleep great. I have been feeling happier lately since i've been getting sleep. Tea does help a little bit actually, sometimes i'll have a pot of tea and later on have a smoke and i sleep even better again.

I wake up in the morning in a happy mood and energized so much that i even forget my morning coffee! (although the caffeine comes in later during the day).

I also do it as a reward sorta thing, like i'm doing a history assignment now, written about 400 words so far tonight and afterwards i'm looking upto having a smoke, not every night though lol.

now to those who don't smoke, you probably should not start for many reasons like it's frowned upon (the people around you won't like it).You are also probably taking other drugs (i.e stimulant when dope is a depressant, as for me i'm not taking meds, if i ever do i would stop smoking).

It's important to stop. Other than being still illegal (it's not worth going to jail for), it causes brain damage. The debate on medical marajuana can be done in our Private Debate forum.


There is no evidence that marijuana kills brain cells. That is also NOT what makes you "high" when you imbibe marijuana. Marijuana affects the endocannibinoid system in the body. The high you feel from THC is similar to the high people feel from nicotine - which is due to brain receptor stimulation/inhibition. Unbeknown to most people, endo-cannibinoids are actually produced by the body in low amounts when the stress-relief system (endo-cannibinoid system) is triggered.

It is also not illegal everywhere in the world. Even in the U.S. the legality of marijuana differs between states.

As a side note, related to ADHD, there is evidence according to a Dr. Claudia Jenson that low doses of marijuana, ingested via snacks (meaning no smoke/heat related effects from smoking), is actually helping kids with ADHD.

Johnny123, if you are ADHD, you could be self-medicating with Marijuana. This is something I've done for years, and still continue to do occaisonally (I saw my Marijuana usage drop from multiple times daily to maybe once or twice a week when I got Diagnosed and prescribed Adderall XR). You just need to realize how to be mature about your usage of it. I too had the phases of being baked constantly, and with legality of it in your area it probably makes it easier to consume larger amounts.

Legal or not, I think that Marijuana could help people with ADHD if used in moderation, just like anything else. I've personally seen the benefits its had with my Combined-Type ADHD. I've also seen its pitfalls and the extreme downsides by people who abuse it majorly.


Also, as for your friend who went crazy after smoking - there is strong evidence that Marijuana (not sure if its specifically THC, or other cannabinoids in the Marijuana) can cause people with latent/unknown Schizophrenia to have delusional episodes, so watch out for that type of reaction. To be more specific, Marijuana is not known to CAUSE Schizophrenia, but produce adverse reactions in people who might be prone to Schizophrenia or already diagnosed with it.

Hope I don't get edited! This is my first post, and I'm just trying to throw in my two-cents on this subject.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cannabis_smoking&action=edit&section=21)] Lung cancer

There has never been a reported case of lung cancer attributable to cannabis, while of 5,400,000 people (worldwide) per year estimated to be killed by tobacco,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-10>[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_smoking#cite_note-10)</SUP> around a fifth died of lung cancer. This is primarily because when attribution to cancer is made, cannabis is never called into question. Tashkin et al, whose name is synonymous with studies of the negative effects of marijuana, published a study which showed no connection between marijuana use and cancer. Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer as well as 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and location. All were asked about their history with marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco. Surprisingly the results of the study showed no increased cancer risk with the use of marijuana. This contradicts earlier work, which showed that marijuana smoke contained carcinogens which could be as harmful as the ones in tobacco. One theory is that the THC in cannabis encourages aging cells to die before they can become cancerous. The study may even point towards less risk of cancer with marijuana use. Tashkin notes that he still believes marijuana is harmful but his study refutes the claim that it causes lung cancer.

Wikipedia

Tashkin’s team interviewed 1,212 cancer patients from the Los Angeles County Cancer Surveillance program, matched for age, gender, and neighborhood with 1,040 cancer-free controls. Marijuana use was measured in “joint years” (number of years smoked times number of joints per day). It turned out that increased marijuana use did not result in higher rates of lung and pharyngeal cancer (whereas tobacco smokers were at greater risk the more they smoked). Tobacco smokers who also smoked marijuana were at slightly lower risk of getting lung cancer than tobacco-only smokers.
These findings were not deemed worthy of publication in “NIDA Notes.” Tashkin reported them at the 2005 meeting of the International Cannabinoid Research Society and they were published in the October 2006 issue of Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention. Without a press release from NIDA calling attention to its significance, the assignment editors of America had no idea that “Marijuana Use and the Risk of Lung and Upper Aerodigestive Tract Cancers: Results of a Population-Based Case-Control Study” by Mia Hashibe1, Hal Morgenstern, Yan Cui, Donald P. Tashkin, Zuo-Feng Zhang, Wendy Cozen, Thomas M. Mack and Sander Greenland was a blockbuster story.

Tashkin originally believed cannabis to cause lung cancer - but proved himself wrong when he did his study.


http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n1106/a09.html

Tashkin’s team interviewed 1,212 cancer patients from the Los Angeles County Cancer Surveillance program, matched for age, gender, and neighborhood with 1,040 cancer-free controls. Marijuana use was measured in “joint years” (number of years smoked times number of joints per day). It turned out that increased marijuana use did not result in higher rates of lung and pharyngeal cancer (whereas tobacco smokers were at greater risk the more they smoked). Tobacco smokers who also smoked marijuana were at slightly lower risk of getting lung cancer than tobacco-only smokers.
These findings were not deemed worthy of publication in “NIDA Notes.” Tashkin reported them at the 2005 meeting of the International Cannabinoid Research Society and they were published in the October 2006 issue of Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention. Without a press release from NIDA calling attention to its significance, the assignment editors of America had no idea that “Marijuana Use and the Risk of Lung and Upper Aerodigestive Tract Cancers: Results of a Population-Based Case-Control Study” by Mia Hashibe1, Hal Morgenstern, Yan Cui, Donald P. Tashkin, Zuo-Feng Zhang, Wendy Cozen, Thomas M. Mack and Sander Greenland was a blockbuster story.

Tashkin originally believed cannabis to cause lung cancer - but proved himself wrong when he did his study.


http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n1106/a09.html


Great posts! I like to see people posting facts about Marijuana instead of the reefer-madness mentality that many people have.

To keep this on-topic, here is the video of Keith Olbermann interviewing Dr. Jensen on the topic of Medical Marijuana for Children and Adolescents with ADHD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrIdQR8yt88

Mariuana is NOT addictive. It is ALL in your little head.

Your half wrong and half right with that statement. Marijuana has not proven to be PHYSICALLY addicting, like other - harder drugs. Marijuana IS mentally addicting for alot of its users(Which is why you're half right with the "All in your head" comment - You could also say the same for ADHD, right?). Do some research, especially since you post on an ADHD forum. Adolescents with ADHD are 80% more likely to be substance abusers (mainly alcohol, marijuana and cocaine) when not treated properly or they go undiagnosed. Conversely, the rate of substance abuse (inculding abusing prescription ADHD Medications) is very low in those Adolescents/Adults who use prescribed medications in the correct manner.

Quit and watch were all your "friends are in 10 or 15 years. I can't believe 75 people spent time on this subject. From the appearance of your language skills try studying English. I hope you are not over twelve years old.

While the part about his friends may be true, there is no reason to bash or discourage a legitimate conversation based on someone's question. There is also no reason to abase the way someone types or presents their language. I've worked many jobs as an IT Professional for various Fortune 500 and some Fortune 100 companies. I deal with corporate/professional e-mails and digital communications on a daily basis. Johnny123's manner of delivering posts doesn't necessarily indicate he's a child, or needs to be scolded as such. I've seen many adults, refined speakers and great managers type the same exact way.


I thought forums and online communities (or communities in general) are designed to inspire hope and positive, insightful communication amongst its members.

I've stopped smoking now and things are tasting better, i'm a little more alert. but far out it was hard not having another toke, i had to stay out in the main room watching TV up late with the family, then i went straight to bed tired and managed not to toke.

I actually did throw my pipes off a bridge, like really i did. and both of my dealers that i used to buy from can't/don't deal anymore which is great as sometimes i get tempted to have just a little to make things more interesting. Yes it is all in my head, i didn't get a headache or feel like crap(when i stopped), i just REALLY FELT LIKE HAVING A TOKE(yes it was weird). but its good i'm not now as it seems cheap but boy does the cost of it add up!

I'm not sleeping as much now, i don't dream during the night at all now which is quite bad, but having school the next morning and going there half baked was kinda bad as i wouldn't learn anything (short term memory just kinda doesn't work when you've smoked, i've got my short term memory back now and can remember things better).

oh and usually i type pretty well (assignments for school) but on forums i just kinda mash the keyboard and type posts in 2 seconds.

[quote=Johnny123;672369]I have an addictive personality so i need to stop before i depend on it.

i'm also AMAAAZINGLY high right now its like errrrrr walked in and i knew my parents saw my highness.

i need to stop it but erm anyone got some ideas? i've already alienated myself from alot of my friends but i just cant stop, weed just finds me, i dont need to search for it, i can goto the shed and an ounce or two of top quality stuff and take a tiny bit to get high because my dad smokes, i goto mates place and they've got weed, its bad, this herb just finds me!!

Well "Johnny" GROW UP!!! at least ACT like a MAN. Mariuana is NOT addictive. It is ALL in your little head. Quit and watch were all your "friends are in 10 or 15 years. I can't believe 75 people spent time on this subject. From the appearance of your language skills try studying English. I hope you are not over twelve years old.

yeah, and ADHD does not exist either:rolleyes:. Marijuana is definitely psychologically addictive. Granted it is not physically.

Johnny123, if you are serious about wanting help to stop then I suggest you get in touch with Narcotics Annoymous or Alcoholics Annoymous. Both will be able to offer assistance. Otherwise keep doing what you are doing. When holding that porcupine gets painful enough you will eventually seek the help you need.

As for your parents, they are not why you smoke. You smoke because YOU pick up the dope and YOU burn it. If you want help contact AA or NA. Both are 12 step programs and both will be able to offer you assistance on how to deal with your drug problem IF YOU want help.

I just stopped in to visit this topic. Without really knowing the history of this thread on first appearances Maurice--you seem judgemental here.
I used to smoke. Found it kind of necessary to switch off negative responses to people like Maurice. and my parents old views of me. I find with the medications I am taking (prozac, buspar, and ritalin) I don't have the cravings that I used to have. Sure I'd like to imbibe but considering the consequences legal and physiological it's easy to resist.
Good luck my friend

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