View Full Version : Asperger's and ADHD


ADHDKylee
02-25-09, 05:14 PM
I am curious... I am diagnosed with combined type ADHD. But my grandma seems to think I have Asperger's as well. But I have read and heard that people can't have ADHD and Asperger's at the same time. Is this true? I do have some Asperger's traits... Would it be worth it to bring it up to my doctor the next time I see him?

I know, I ask a lot of questions.. I'm very curious about all this

netsavy006
02-25-09, 05:31 PM
It's possible to have Asperger's traits and have ADHD in my opinion. I've heard that you can't have a combination dx, but in my honest opinion (but I'm no medical professional) I don't see that as true. Due bring up your concerns with the doc and see what he/she has to say. Maybe you might have ADHD w/ Asperger traits.

ADHDKylee
02-25-09, 05:37 PM
It's possible to have Asperger's traits and have ADHD in my opinion. I've heard that you can't have a combination dx, but in my honest opinion (but I'm no medical professional) I don't see that as true. Due bring up your concerns with the doc and see what he/she has to say. Maybe you might have ADHD w/ Asperger traits.
All I know is that I am hyper, impulsive, and inattentive (ADHD) but I also have poor communication skills, very bad social skills, and obsess over subjects, interests, and little things, which is said to have to do with Asperger's. I don't see how any of those things contradict themselves though. I do know I don't want to be made fun of for yet another thing though

Lady Lark
02-25-09, 05:39 PM
I've herd that recently, but I've never heard why. I don't see why the two can't be comorbid conditions, and in fact my son is diagnosed with both.

ADHDKylee
02-25-09, 05:57 PM
I've herd that recently, but I've never heard why. I don't see why the two can't be comorbid conditions, and in fact my son is diagnosed with both.
Well I'd like to ask my doctor about it.. Because he thought I just had obsessive problems, bad comunication from my ADHD, and a social anxiety disorder but to my knowledge Asperger's are those three exact things

netsavy006
02-25-09, 06:14 PM
My mom says things like Autism, Asperger's, ADHD, and things of that nature, they all seem to fall under a spectrum and fall hand in hand. I know someone who has been dx'd differently by different professionals. One persion says it's ADHD, one says it's Asperger's, one says it's Autism, one says it's PDD-NOS, it's hard to tell what is "right" and what is "wrong"...

ADHDKylee
02-25-09, 06:24 PM
My mom says things like Autism, Asperger's, ADHD, and things of that nature, they all seem to fall under a spectrum and fall hand in hand. I know someone who has been dx'd differently by different professionals. One persion says it's ADHD, one says it's Asperger's, one says it's Autism, one says it's PDD-NOS, it's hard to tell what is "right" and what is "wrong"...
I believe they do.. The Autism Spectrum. I'm not sure ADHD does though. Is it hard for you, having Asperger's, btw?

sloppitty-sue
02-25-09, 06:41 PM
Kylee,

I am going to pose a question to you, but please know that my intention is not to make light or minimize your situation or concerns. I'm just asking it because it's the sort of reply I've recieved from my doctors on occasion, and I'm curious what your reply will be.

From your post:
All I know is that I am hyper, impulsive, and inattentive (ADHD) but I also have poor communication skills, very bad social skills, and obsess over subjects, interests, and little things, which is said to have to do with Asperger's. I don't see how any of those things contradict themselves though. I do know I don't want to be made fun of for yet another thing though

My question: Seeing as social anxiety, poor communication skills, and impulsiveness can all be symptoms of ADHD or Asperger's, I'm wondering what difference it makes to you what diagnostic label(s) are OR are NOT added to your file. I mean - why push for more labels when you already said that you do NOT want to be made fun of for yet another thing? Would adding an Aspergers dx change one's treatment all that much? (And I'm really IGNORANT about this, so perhaps it really WOULD make a huge difference.)

Hope I haven't offended you, Kylee. It is NOT my intention, AT ALL!

Sincerely,
Sue

ADHDKylee
02-25-09, 07:10 PM
Kylee,

I am going to pose a question to you, but please know that my intention is not to make light or minimize your situation or concerns. I'm just asking it because it's the sort of reply I've recieved from my doctors on occasion, and I'm curious what your reply will be.

From your post:

My question: Seeing as social anxiety, poor communication skills, and impulsiveness can all be symptoms of ADHD or Asperger's, I'm wondering what difference it makes to you what diagnostic label(s) are OR are NOT added to your file. I mean - why push for more labels when you already said that you do NOT want to be made fun of for yet another thing? Would adding an Aspergers dx change one's treatment all that much? (And I'm really IGNORANT about this, so perhaps it really WOULD make a huge difference.)

Hope I haven't offended you, Kylee. It is NOT my intention, AT ALL!

Sincerely,
Sue
I'm not offended at all.. That's actually a very good question which I will do my best to answer. I'm 15.. I don't like to be labelled or made fun of, but at the same time I like adults and teachers to understand me. ADHD somewhat explains some things about me, but not completely, amd my grandma thinks I have something else with it. I just want people to understand and accept me, but how can I explain to them what my strengths and weaknesses are so they can do that, when I don't fully know what it is that I have wrong? I just like putting a name to the issue at hand, so to speak. I hope that answered your question

netsavy006
02-25-09, 08:30 PM
I believe they do.. The Autism Spectrum. I'm not sure ADHD does though. Is it hard for you, having Asperger's, btw?

It's not hard having the Asperger's. It's the bipolar that I have that I think that complicates everything. Now that I'm back on my old medication (Zyprexa Zydis) I think things will get better and better...

ADHDKylee
02-25-09, 08:36 PM
It's not hard having the Asperger's. It's the bipolar that I have that I think that complicates everything. Now that I'm back on my old medication (Zyprexa Zydis) I think things will get better and better...
Really? Hm. I'd figure it wouldn't be something easy.

I hope things do get better for you with that.. Good luck.

netsavy006
02-25-09, 08:55 PM
Thanks. Zyprexa Zydis worked in the past and it's my 2nd attempt at it. (I stopped it in the past because of weight gain. I'm taking measures now to help prevent/reduce that). It will work again (at least that's how I feel)...

ADHDKylee
02-25-09, 09:03 PM
I really hope that it will work

netsavy006
02-25-09, 10:20 PM
Well tonight will be night 7 and I've been doing good so far.

ADHDKylee
02-26-09, 08:33 AM
I'm glad you're doing well with that so far.

ADDMagnet
03-27-09, 09:45 PM
All I know is that I am hyper, impulsive, and inattentive (ADHD) but I also have poor communication skills, very bad social skills, and obsess over subjects, interests, and little things, which is said to have to do with Asperger's. I don't see how any of those things contradict themselves though. I do know I don't want to be made fun of for yet another thing though

It is possible to have both ADHD and Asperger's. I'm not a doctor but my guess is that you do not have Asperger's or Autism. For one thing, people with Asperger's usually don't have the insight that you appear to have. Poor communication skills and social skills can be the ADHD, especially with the hyperactive/impulsive type of ADHD. As for obsessing over little things, that can also be OCD or OCPD, which is actually a medical condition and not truly a personality disorder. Or, it can just be hyperfocusing on something.

I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder, the cognitive type, so that means I worry over everything. That could be described as obsessing over what might happen. Fortunately, I take medication that helps greatly with my GAD.

roseblood
03-29-09, 09:44 AM
The reason the psychiatric department I've seen are taking an extra six weeks to come to a conclusion is that they're considering an autistic disorder instead of or alongside ADHD and had me do a neuropychiatric assessment. I met get sent to their Asperger's specialist if they still can't decide. Personally I don't believe I meet the DSM criteria for any particular PDD, though PDD-NOS, possibly. But clearly they aren't of the opinion that the two are mutually exclusive. I've read that AS children are much more likely to have ADHD than non-AS children, in fact.

In common with you I think at least one member of my family phrases their understanding of my behaviour in a way that suggests they've started to interpret it as autistic in origin, and they do seem to talk about those traits more than the ones that I think impair me the most (the ones more indicative of ADHD). I'm not so sure, I think she's just pathologising any aspect of my personality she doesn't understand or that is different from the norm. And this is the character witness who attended my psychiatric interview so she may have influenced their thoughts in that direction. Sometimes when people know there's something wrong with someone else they will interpret many things they'd usually think nothing of as symptomatic of something or other, and this has been shown to occur between doctors and inpatients even.

Also, back when I had severe social anxiety I know my behaviour must have appeared very autistic indeed, because I was trying so hard to suppress my personality that I didn't show any emotion or show signs of knowing other people's at all, spoke robotically, didn't initiate interactions or have even have any friends for a few years. That's something else to consider.

mctavish23
03-29-09, 09:01 PM
One of the best descriptions of how to differentiate between the 2 disorders is contained in

Barkley,R.A.,(2006). Attention Deficit-Hyperactivity Disorder : A Handbook for Diagnosis and Treatment ( 3rd Edition), New York : Guilford.

The symptoms definately overlap and it's a very difficult call to make.

For children/adolescents ( ages 6-18/19),which is the population I work with,

some of the defining characteristics of the Autistic Spectrum Disordered child are :

1) Perseveration ( peroccupation / obsession with restricted range of topics

(e.g., watching the same movie approx. 200x's in a row, or mentioning Pokeman'

in every single sentence/statement,etc.).

2) Unusual language ( overly formal or mature) i.e.,such as , "Shall We

Continue?" In other words, unexpected for their age.

Of course, the 2 most common characteristics are Poor Eye Contact & Poor Social &

Emotional Reciprocity (i.e., unable to pick up on non verbal cues & body language or

facial expressions)

With ADHD individuals, those last 2 can be displayed as artifacts of social anxiety, as

well as poor social skills.

Trouble transitioning is another characteristic as well. However, the ADHD child should

be easier to re-direct.

Lastly, as a general rule of thumb, the ADHD child will likely score higher on measures of

Inhibition (impulsivity).

As you can see, there are many overlaps and similarities.so it's a tough call.

One thing to pay attention to is that the use of any and all test scores for the sole

purpose of diagnosing ADHD is inappropriate.

Here's another excellent reference :


http://www.greatschools.net/pdfs/2200_7-barktran.pdf?

Good Luck.

tc

mctavish23

(Robert)

crazycat1990
04-22-09, 10:33 AM
Well I have Asperger's and on the day of my DX, I also bought up the ADHD traits and she said I could be referred for an assessment. I have also read that you can have both of them. I know someone who's younger brother has AS, ADHD, ODD and something else I think!
I think a lot of disorders overlap. My step-brother for example: some said he had autism, some said it was AS...the outcome was PDD-NOS and Dyslexia. But he also seems kind of ADHD, but I have read that some people with dyslexia often have ADHD traits.
Sometimes I think some traits can mask the other disorder. Like with me, because I find it hard with people I don't know, or feel awkward (both due to AS) I'll be really quiet, yet when I am with my friends I'll be hyper and chatty. When I'm drunk as well...it's like I don't have AS at all but severe ADHD :p
I know that my AS isn't the reason/cause for my ADHD traits so I don't see why, when I get my ADHD appointment, I won't be DX'd with it.
In fact, I want to be, because then I get a better understanding of who I am and why I act like I act, plus other people will have the benefit too. I guess that's why you want to find out about the AS? It's nice just knowing :)

Klank
04-22-09, 03:33 PM
Yep thats pretty much what I was diagnosed with. I didn't even know what autism was until I went in to get an ADD test. The psych says "you don't have ADD but you have something". In the end he tells me all my symptoms are characteristic of autism. He says the autism was what was causing the ADD symptoms. He told me ADD meds work on 8/10 people with ADD but only 2/10 people with autism. Unfortunately I fall into the other 8/10 because Strattera didn't work and Ritalin works but not well. Half the time Ritalin makes matters worse. I don't want to break any of the forum rules here but I think I should share my findings. Although conventional ADD meds dont do **** for me opiates actually work. Opiates are only prescribed as painkillers but I have a feeling that opiates effect autistic people in a unique way. Stimulates them.

ADHDKylee
06-12-09, 02:02 AM
Well I have Asperger's and on the day of my DX, I also bought up the ADHD traits and she said I could be referred for an assessment. I have also read that you can have both of them. I know someone who's younger brother has AS, ADHD, ODD and something else I think!
I think a lot of disorders overlap. My step-brother for example: some said he had autism, some said it was AS...the outcome was PDD-NOS and Dyslexia. But he also seems kind of ADHD, but I have read that some people with dyslexia often have ADHD traits.
Sometimes I think some traits can mask the other disorder. Like with me, because I find it hard with people I don't know, or feel awkward (both due to AS) I'll be really quiet, yet when I am with my friends I'll be hyper and chatty. When I'm drunk as well...it's like I don't have AS at all but severe ADHD :p
I know that my AS isn't the reason/cause for my ADHD traits so I don't see why, when I get my ADHD appointment, I won't be DX'd with it.
In fact, I want to be, because then I get a better understanding of who I am and why I act like I act, plus other people will have the benefit too. I guess that's why you want to find out about the AS? It's nice just knowing :)That last part is exactly what I am like.. I am very shy and reserved when I don't know the person but very very hyper when I do. I actually failed a class due to such poor social skills, and it just so happens it was a class helping autistic kids.. The teacher gave my parents some information on Aspergers and my parents read it and looked at me and appologized. When I asked why, they said it was because everything except one or two things they read was totally me, and they should have realized it sooner. They're taking me to be tested for AS to see whether I have AS and ADHD or just one or the other.

daveddd
06-16-09, 11:51 PM
everyone with adhd who reads the dsm for aspergers thinks they have it

tudorose
06-19-09, 11:27 PM
Have a look at the Wrong Planet forums for Aspergers / ADHD. You may get more answers there.

Retromancer
06-20-09, 12:47 AM
So is there a personal characteristic that is counter-indicative of Aspergers i.e. a behavior or aptitude that would be impossible to have if you were in fact Aspergers?

This is not a rhetorical question. I do have such details as a delay in starting speech in my personal history. ( I started speaking when I was 2 years of age.) I have gone back and forth on the possibility of my being on the "spectrum".

roseblood
06-20-09, 04:12 PM
So is there a personal characteristic that is counter-indicative of Aspergers i.e. a behavior or aptitude that would be impossible to have if you were in fact Aspergers?

This is not a rhetorical question. I do have such details as a delay in starting speech in my personal history. ( I started speaking when I was 2 years of age.) I have gone back and forth on the possibility of my being on the "spectrum".
Well actually, a significant speech delay is one of the things that precludes an AS diagnosis under the DSM-IV (http://behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/asperger.htm).

If you met the other AS criteria or had signficant symptoms of other PDDs, but didn't meet the full criteria for any specific PDD, my understanding is you could be diagnosed with PDD-NOS.

Retromancer
06-20-09, 07:00 PM
I guess I have to remember that Aspergers does not equal high-functioning autism, huh? :)

Well actually, a significant speech delay is one of the things that precludes an AS diagnosis under the DSM-IV (http://behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/asperger.htm).

If you met the other AS criteria or had signficant symptoms of other PDDs, but didn't meet the full criteria for any specific PDD, my understanding is you could be diagnosed with PDD-NOS.

roseblood
06-23-09, 06:25 AM
I guess I have to remember that Aspergers does not equal high-functioning autism, huh? :)
Yup, that's all. :)

ADHDKylee
06-24-09, 03:15 PM
So is there a personal characteristic that is counter-indicative of Aspergers i.e. a behavior or aptitude that would be impossible to have if you were in fact Aspergers?

This is not a rhetorical question. I do have such details as a delay in starting speech in my personal history. ( I started speaking when I was 2 years of age.) I have gone back and forth on the possibility of my being on the "spectrum".I really have no idea, seeing as I am not a doctor. As far as I do know, Asperger's does require you to not have speech delays in order to get a diagnosis although I could very well be wrong.

I do agree that probably a lot of people with ADHD think they have Asperger's, I'm just not willing to go through a whole other thing with my doctor if it isn't possible. Oh well.