View Full Version : Do I have Aspergers and ADD?


cuam
03-11-09, 03:36 AM
Hello, I am 17 years old and have been obsessing the last few weeks over if I actually have Aspergers as well as ADD. At the moment I am not comfortable going to a doctor for a diagnosis just yet, so for now I'd just like to see what some people here think. :) I feel at the moment that Inattentive ADD with Avoid Personality Disorder would best describe me but there are other symptoms which seem to fall outside of them which a diagnosis of Aspergers would fit.

I will go through my symptoms or lack of by addressing a list of symptoms associated with Aspergers to help you form an opinion.

Interests: I have many interests but I can often spend hours reading about my interests on the internet. My lack of attention span means I don't do it consecutively but every time I go on a computer I might look up something to do with one of my interests. My interests can also be immature and imaginative, eg if I am playing a sports game on the computer I pretend that I am one of the players.

Routine and Change: Usually I prefer to keep things how they are but I would say that I hate things being the same all the time, I like things to be different, I get bored with the same routine over and over again. However I do have a problem with listening to a song repeatedly over and over again.

Understanding of humor: I pretty much understand every joke I hear, I often am the first person to get it but also quite often I get it a couple seconds after everyone. I also think I have a much larger sense of humour then most people, I laugh at alot of things.

Understanding of Facial Expressions/Social Cues: Never have any problems here, I would say this area is a strength.

Understanding of People's Intentions: I'm very good at knowing why people do things and what they are thinking.

Motor Problems/Coordination/Sport: I really enjoy sport and am good at it especially balls sports and sports which involve running. eg. rugby, soccer, cricket, tennis etc

Social Recipocrity: I am a good listener in conversations but I have problems sharing my experiences or opinions with other people, I always worry that people don't care about what I have to say or that if I try to say it, it won't come out correctly and I will look like an idiot but I am also quite a private person and don't have this instantaneous need to tell other people things about myself. I am not confident with small talk. As for my interest in other people's conversations I often do care and am interested but quite often I don't give a rats.

Eye Contact: Don't have any problems initiating eye contact unless it's with some girl I like or someone who is higher then me socially but when I do I still find it a little uncomfortable keeping it more then 15-20 seconds. It used to me worse when I was a kid but since then I've just learned to keep proper eye contact. Also if I am looking at somebody and I'm not looking at them then they make contact with me then I immediately avert my gaze.

Facial Expressions/Emotion: Once I was told that I dont' smile but I pretty much fixed that and now smile all the time, I admit that often it is forced but when I am laughing at a joke or communicating with someone I am able to smile easily without thinking about it. Before I used to be embarrassed about showing emotion and so I would often try and block my smiles. To some extent I still feel uncomfortable showing emotion, I worry about what other people think.

Verbal Skills: I seem to be unable to fluently retell events or stories, I often get it out of sequence or I can't think of words or lose my train of thought. I feel this could be related to Auditory Processing Disorder which is common amongst people with Aspergers but I think it's common with ADD people as well.

Echolalia: Now I believe this is a problem which is very common in people with aspergers as well as Tourettes. They repeat themselves or others. I think my experience may be a little different though, I remember when I was 15 I used to repeat the last couple of words of my sentence in a whisper. Like this with the whispered part in italics "I think I might go to the park...the park" I think I did it just to check to see if what I was saying was right, I used to even more then I do now lack confidence in what I say.

Selfishness: Can be quite self centered and unwilling to share but once I do share I feel better and feel glad that I did. I do not lack empathy but still for some reason I have problems sharing.

Other: I keep moving my leg all the time when I am sitting down, I see other people do it but not quite as much as me.
I have tried the Rdos Aspergers quiz where I have been getting scores consistently a score of around 90-100/200 and classified as neurotypical whereas most people with Aspergers seem to get over 135/200 I also tried the Wired test, apparently over 80% of people with Aspergers get scores of over 32/50 and most neurotypical people get 16.5, I got 20. However, I think for both tests my ADD traits made my scores higher.

I believe that if I don't have aspergers then I would have a great amount of disorders. ADD, OCD, ASPD, APD, Tourettes and possibly SID, seems a little implausible to have that many disorders doesn't it? This is really frustrating not knowing.

Thanks for reading.

PinkRoxy
03-11-09, 04:33 AM
IMO I would say mostly you would probably have ADD, or the inattentive type, apparently some of the autism symptoms are similar the same as ADD but there are some differences.
But if you really need to know then by all means I would go and see a specialist about it.

I mean this in the nicest way possible please dont be offended anyone. I find autism or autism spectrums to have a very high talent in their special interests which usually include numbers or computers as an ADD/ADHD person are more likely appear ditzy and not so good at things all round. autism spectrums are more geeky with great memories as ADD/ADHD arent that great at school work or memory. They both have bad social skills as the autism spectrum doesnt really care if they have friends as the ADD/ADHD wishes they had friends.

But hey I could be wrong I can only experience the ADD side of things so by all means if anyone needs to question or comment what I said then go ahead.

PinkRoxy
03-11-09, 04:36 AM
Take this as an example: a child who is in love with learning to dance and wants to give it a go.

Aspergers syndrome: will take up dancing become their intense special interest and become very talented at it.

ADD/ADHD: will give dancing a go but find it hard and think they are not very good at it and may even give up if no support or encouragement is given as the child loses self confidence.

γ-quantum
03-11-09, 10:07 AM
yeah, id say you mostly sound ADD, too.

some doctor gave me the diagnosis of aspergers, but it wasnt even certified at the adhd clinic ive been diagnosed at, as its uncertain and could be from adhd as well. i have some very odd things that point towards it, though.

im same with the interests stuff and reading for hours about it on the internet; but i dont have many interests, just a few very special ones, and it really freaks me out if i cant do them.

also, if you change my world - and that can be a good thing as well, like going on holiday with my parents - i get feelings of deep depression and derealisation. the whole world becomes surreal, and i feel that i am not real and not alive anymore.

songs... i like to cut songs i like to a very short length, the middle bit, because i hate the intro / outro of a song. i then put it in an infinite loop and listen to the 40 second bit for ten hours straight. its comforting.

just some examples... *shrugs*

AbsentMindProf
03-11-09, 10:32 AM
Based on what you have written, it doesn't sound like Asperger syndrome to me. Most people with Asperger syndrome really don't like eye contact. They can do it but it feels really unnatural to them and they find it hard to listen to what you are saying and look at your face at the same time.

The interests tend to be more obsessive than what you describe. I have a son with Asperger syndrome and he would stay on the computer ALL DAY EVERY DAY if we let him. Many tend to give long monologues about their own interests and can seem not to notice the subtle signs that other people aren't interested. I've seen my son go on for 30 minutes nonstop and continue talking about his interest even after I've left the room.

The majority also have problems with fine and gross motor control, including motor planning. At 7 years old, for example, my son cannot button a shirt.

Many people with Asperger syndrome can read emotions from faces reasonably well but they tend to get confused in social situations. Even as adults, it's as though they don't understand the "unwritten rules" of social situations until someone explicitly tells them about it.

Lunacie
03-11-09, 12:13 PM
Taking this quiz might help you decide whether or not to have an evaluation done by a professional. There is a certain amount of overlap between ADHD and Autism/Asperger's, and one can certainly have both.

http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

cuam
03-12-09, 06:22 PM
Thanks for all your replies and opinions, I appreciate it :)

songs... i like to cut songs i like to a very short length, the middle bit, because i hate the intro / outro of a song. i then put it in an infinite loop and listen to the 40 second bit for ten hours straight. its comforting.
I'm quite similar, often I don't listen to a song the whole way through, I just listen to the chorus, get sick of it then go to the next song or listen to the chorus again a few times.

Aspergers syndrome: will take up dancing become their intense special interest and become very talented at it.

ADD/ADHD: will give dancing a go but find it hard and think they are not very good at it and may even give up if no support or encouragement is given as the child loses self confidence.
Yeah the 1st one can apply to me but the ADD describes me better.

They can do it but it feels really unnatural to them and they find it hard to listen to what you are saying and look at your face at the same time.
I think alot of people with ADD also experience that. I thought there was a thread here on that.

Taking this quiz might help you decide whether or not to have an evaluation done by a professional. There is a certain amount of overlap between ADHD and Autism/Asperger's, and one can certainly have both.
Yeah I came up neurotypical on that test.

ADHDTigger
03-12-09, 09:31 PM
This is very strange to me. I read this thread and went looking for the tests. To my great surprise, I come up as Aspergers or borderline on virtually all of them.

Aspergers would certainly explain a few things to me. For example, Absent Minded Prof could have been describing me exactly except that I can button things. Sometimes I find that difficult, but I can do it. I also can do extremely fine beadwork. The other side of that is that I am 46 not 7 and have done tons of work to make my hands do what I want them to.

Something to chat with my psychiatrist about, anyway.

AbsentMindProf
03-13-09, 06:11 AM
This is very strange to me. I read this thread and went looking for the tests. To my great surprise, I come up as Aspergers or borderline on virtually all of them.


There are lots of people with Aspergers that go undiagnosed until they are in adulthood. They are intelligent, highly capable people so they really don't come across to most people as if there is something terribly wrong with them. Mostly, they just seem "odd" to other people.

About 70% of people with Aspergers independently meet the diagnostic criteria for ADHD, so I suspect that there are lots of people on these boards with Asperger syndrome that don't know it. Even at age 7, most people think my (AS) son is normal but "quirky".

speedo
03-13-09, 06:24 PM
"Normal but quirky" is a pretty good layman's definition of AS.

Me :D

Sine
03-13-09, 10:02 PM
I grappled with this same question for a while. 5 years ago (at age 15) I was diagnosed with AS, but I didn't really take an interest in learning about the disorder until last year, and the DSM criteria and case studies didn't really match up with my traits. Recently I was re-evaluated by the same doctors and my diagnosis was switched to ADD-I. Here's a great article I found discussing the differences between the two:

http://www.yourlittleprofessor.com/adhd.html

sarek
03-14-09, 03:16 PM
I score pretty high on the all the online AS tests I have done. And the normal but quirky description certainly fits me well.
It is food for thought to be sure.

Fuse
06-04-09, 06:48 AM
Hello, I am 17 years old and have been obsessing the last few weeks over if I actually have Aspergers as well as ADD. At the moment I am not comfortable going to a doctor for a diagnosis just yet, so for now I'd just like to see what some people here think. :) I feel at the moment that Inattentive ADD with Avoid Personality Disorder would best describe me but there are other symptoms which seem to fall outside of them which a diagnosis of Aspergers would fit.

I will go through my symptoms or lack of by addressing a list of symptoms associated with Aspergers to help you form an opinion.

Interests: I have many interests but I can often spend hours reading about my interests on the internet. My lack of attention span means I don't do it consecutively but every time I go on a computer I might look up something to do with one of my interests. My interests can also be immature and imaginative, eg if I am playing a sports game on the computer I pretend that I am one of the players.

Routine and Change: Usually I prefer to keep things how they are but I would say that I hate things being the same all the time, I like things to be different, I get bored with the same routine over and over again. However I do have a problem with listening to a song repeatedly over and over again.

Understanding of humor: I pretty much understand every joke I hear, I often am the first person to get it but also quite often I get it a couple seconds after everyone. I also think I have a much larger sense of humour then most people, I laugh at alot of things.

Understanding of Facial Expressions/Social Cues: Never have any problems here, I would say this area is a strength.

Understanding of People's Intentions: I'm very good at knowing why people do things and what they are thinking.

Motor Problems/Coordination/Sport: I really enjoy sport and am good at it especially balls sports and sports which involve running. eg. rugby, soccer, cricket, tennis etc

Social Recipocrity: I am a good listener in conversations but I have problems sharing my experiences or opinions with other people, I always worry that people don't care about what I have to say or that if I try to say it, it won't come out correctly and I will look like an idiot but I am also quite a private person and don't have this instantaneous need to tell other people things about myself. I am not confident with small talk. As for my interest in other people's conversations I often do care and am interested but quite often I don't give a rats.

Eye Contact: Don't have any problems initiating eye contact unless it's with some girl I like or someone who is higher then me socially but when I do I still find it a little uncomfortable keeping it more then 15-20 seconds. It used to me worse when I was a kid but since then I've just learned to keep proper eye contact. Also if I am looking at somebody and I'm not looking at them then they make contact with me then I immediately avert my gaze.

Facial Expressions/Emotion: Once I was told that I dont' smile but I pretty much fixed that and now smile all the time, I admit that often it is forced but when I am laughing at a joke or communicating with someone I am able to smile easily without thinking about it. Before I used to be embarrassed about showing emotion and so I would often try and block my smiles. To some extent I still feel uncomfortable showing emotion, I worry about what other people think.

Verbal Skills: I seem to be unable to fluently retell events or stories, I often get it out of sequence or I can't think of words or lose my train of thought. I feel this could be related to Auditory Processing Disorder which is common amongst people with Aspergers but I think it's common with ADD people as well.

Echolalia: Now I believe this is a problem which is very common in people with aspergers as well as Tourettes. They repeat themselves or others. I think my experience may be a little different though, I remember when I was 15 I used to repeat the last couple of words of my sentence in a whisper. Like this with the whispered part in italics "I think I might go to the park...the park" I think I did it just to check to see if what I was saying was right, I used to even more then I do now lack confidence in what I say.

Selfishness: Can be quite self centered and unwilling to share but once I do share I feel better and feel glad that I did. I do not lack empathy but still for some reason I have problems sharing.

Other: I keep moving my leg all the time when I am sitting down, I see other people do it but not quite as much as me.
I have tried the Rdos Aspergers quiz where I have been getting scores consistently a score of around 90-100/200 and classified as neurotypical whereas most people with Aspergers seem to get over 135/200 I also tried the Wired test, apparently over 80% of people with Aspergers get scores of over 32/50 and most neurotypical people get 16.5, I got 20. However, I think for both tests my ADD traits made my scores higher.

I believe that if I don't have aspergers then I would have a great amount of disorders. ADD, OCD, ASPD, APD, Tourettes and possibly SID, seems a little implausible to have that many disorders doesn't it? This is really frustrating not knowing.

Thanks for reading.

Sounds extremely similar to me. I think we're just normal ADHD, but I have wondered about Asperger's myself.

Oh, I took that silly test thingo and got:

"Your Aspie score: 132 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 70 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie"

YOUR MUM IS VERY LIKELY AN ASPIE.

Hey, my picture looks like a rabbit:
http://www.rdos.net/eng/poly12b.php?p1=89&p2=64&p3=27&p4=93&p5=96&p6=71&p7=43&p8=65&p9=55&p10=61&p11=59&p12=44

Edit: on that other 'Wired' test you refer to I got 21/50 so whatevs.

γ-quantum
06-04-09, 12:17 PM
interesting test, Fuse, thanks!

lol... my results:

Your Aspie score: 163 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 37 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

LSAS-score: 88 of 144
You have severe social phobia

result pic thing: http://tinyurl.com/pzrbo3

lovely. :rolleyes:



LOL, then again, look at this test:
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv

Paranoid: High
Schizoid: High
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: High
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: High
Avoidant: High
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: High



uh... okay... i guess i just have every annormaly there is. :D
(saying: not sure how accurate those tests really are; often, even doctors are not accurate, so...)

Fuse
06-05-09, 03:26 AM
interesting test, Fuse, thanks!

lol... my results:

Your Aspie score: 163 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 37 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

LSAS-score: 88 of 144
You have severe social phobia

result pic thing: http://tinyurl.com/pzrbo3

lovely. :rolleyes:



LOL, then again, look at this test:
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv

Paranoid: High
Schizoid: High
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: High
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: High
Avoidant: High
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: High



uh... okay... i guess i just have every annormaly there is. :D
(saying: not sure how accurate those tests really are; often, even doctors are not accurate, so...)
Yeah, the thing is that if you've already got ADHD, these tests are reliable because of the overlap in symptoms. Anything like ADHD + depression, ADHD + anxiety, ADHD + social phobia could easily push you into the numbers for the ASD on these tests. That's why you'd need an actual psychiatrist to examine you to figure out for sure. Even then they'd be liable to miss things as you said.

Then again, your picture graph thingy does look somewhat convincing and you scored roughly the same as my friend who is an Aspie. :p

I got the following. I think it's an OK guide but way too exaggerated (in part because the test only offers binary choices). I wouldn't pay heed to anything other than 'very high'.

Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Very High
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Very High
Dependent: High
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

On that note I'm going to go look up what 'histrionic' and 'avoidant' personality disorders mean.

Edit: lol, I looked it up, and those disorders are pretty much the complete opposites of eachother. I wouldn't write the test off though, because I do actually have strong traits of both, paradoxical as that is. I would say I've developed histrionic traits as coping mechanisms for my avoidant personality, if that makes sense: I actively try to be more lively and sociable because I'm aware of my own social avoidance. So I'd say the avoidant indication is correct, but the histrionic one is not.

Bleep
06-07-09, 10:02 PM
just took the Aspie Quiz and got this result:

Final version
You have answered inconsistently on too many control-questions

lol

ADHDKylee
06-08-09, 12:20 AM
Well I was bored.. So I took that quiz thing on here (And no I have no idea of the OP has Aspergers.. I hate making assumptions because they could be wrong)

Thank you for filling out this questionnaire.

Your Aspie score: 182 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 27 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

What in the hey does this mean? :|

BehindTheSofa
08-16-09, 08:44 PM
About the Aspie and Wired AS tests - I know they are not diagnostic but would you say they were fairly reliable as a means of indicating if someone has AS, or are they completely off the mark?

The reason I ask is that the Aspie one said I was very likely, and the Wired one gave me a score of above the 32 mark indicator.

I've had a look at the DSM thing and I answer the criteria there too. The things that have drawn me to this is the eye contact, maintenance of friendships, and awareness of emotional cue (sorry, don't know how to explain that one, but you know, not being able to pick up the signals that others are giving you)

I am also mindful of something that was posted earlier about how having ADHD (check), OCD (check), anxiety (check) and depression (check) can skew the results. But should I mention this to my ADHD doc or GP, or will they just dismiss it?

Lady Lark
08-16-09, 11:20 PM
It's always helpful to mention what is going on, and what you think it could be to the doc. Good ones won't simply dismiss what you have to say out of hand, but at the same time just because you say I think I have X doesn't mean 1) you do, or 2) they think you do.