View Full Version : Don't give up on Desoxyn right away


merovingian
03-26-09, 07:39 PM
I recently received a prescription from my doctor for Desoxyn after simply asking for it after being on adderall for a month. My problems with Adderall had to do with increased anxiety at only low dosages (10mg twice daily) and I didn't want to have to be an some sort of benzo to mitigate the anxiety at higher dosages. So, I did my homework which led me to suggest to my doc that I try "the holy grail" of ADD medications and he agreed to give it a shot. I asked for the lowest available dosage to try it out at 5mg twice a day.

Usually when I try any sort of drug I start low and work my way up, for adderall for example I started with 1/4 a 10mg pill twice per day, then 1/2 the next and 3/4 on the third. Since I had read online that kids usually take between 20-25 daily that I was safe to try the whole 5mg on my first try. I experienced an unforced focus (as opposed to the forced focus of adderall) that was available to me as I tried to catch my flight on time. I got on the plane and I simply relaxed and dosed off. I had strange vivid dreams that would occasionally wake me up and cause a mild jerk or muscle tencing and then relax back to sleep. When waking after what seemed like a 2 hour nap which only lasted 45 min I was immediately alert and able to focus on the things that I planned to do while on the plane. As opposed to Adderall, the Desoxyn required more Discipline to remain focused but I was able to utilize the creativity that makes my Attention Deficit Condition such a gift in terms of being able to think outside the box. I would say that Adderall is certainly better for making completely mundane, boring, or repetitive tasks seem almost interesting but seems to detract from my creativity. Being on the Desoxyn during this period was much more productive for me over all. It's not that I was as focused at this light of a dose but as if time were dilated, as if the flight lasted 9 hours instead of 6 which can be either good or bad depending on the situation, I needed the extra time to get things done so it worked out. Sadly, I had a mild headache, one of the known side effects for some patients. This combined with the initial sleepy effect, the fact that I felt like my eyes were constantly too wide open, dry mouth and slightly too chatty brought me to the seemingly inevitable conclusion. What would be the perfect drug for me was to come with a series of side effects that would cripple any net benefit at a dosage high enough for me to rectify my issues with being able to focus. Despite the initial disappointment I decided to try again the next day at 1/4 a 5mg pill every hour for 4 hours until I felt side effects. Surprisingly only two side effects took a strong effect, complete loss of appetite and lack of desire to drink alcohol. The following day I took 1/2 of a 5mg pill right before I started eating breakfast and another half 2 hours later. 6 hours after the first pill I took a whole 5mg pill right as I started eating lunch. No side effects besides the loss of appetite and lack of desire to drink. I've been going strong for a week and things are working out very nicely. I'm about currently asking my doctor to start ramping up my dose to normal which I believe is 20-25mg per day increase from 10mg at a rate of 5mg per week.

The lesson I learned here is to ramp up to 5mg over the course of a few days and ask your doctor to allow you to ramp up your dosages to "normal" on a weekly basis in 5mg increments. I believe had I done this, it may have helped reduce the chances of side effects on the way up to a dosage that is able to deal with my condition. Hope this helps.

PhishHead
04-06-09, 05:30 PM
nice post. I liked it a lot and am very sensative to stims as well. I got a weird side effect of my testicles hanging real low and almost painfully on the left. Stopped but other than that major side effect was the est of all stims

currently getting OCD and depression/anxiety under control then going back to focus on add. Might give desoxyn another shot

merovingian
04-07-09, 06:13 AM
nice post. I liked it a lot and am very sensative to stims as well. I got a weird side effect of my testicles hanging real low and almost painfully on the left. Stopped but other than that major side effect was the est of all stims
Thank you! :) May I ask what dosage you were on and how long you took it before you stopped the treatment? Everyone is different it seems when it comes to which side-effects happen with which drug, I just found a slow introduction of the Desoxyn allowed my body to transition smoothly to the medication. I would be interested to see if your second shot at it yields a different result if you also take the extra slow approach.

PhishHead
04-13-09, 10:49 AM
I was taking 5 a day twice a day right off the bat. did it for a week straight before stopping.

tried 2.5with 2.5 of focalin about 2 months later. Same scrotal pain.

Now on 30 mg of cymbalta, 15 of buspar and its 2 more months later. had success last week mixing some old dextrostat with focalin. Like 1.25 dex 2.5 focalin at 2 hour intervals. No side effects.

about to try 1.25 desoxyn 1 mg of dextrostat(last known bottle) and about 2.5 focalin. will report back

Also, desoxyn made it harder to ejaculate as well at 5 mg and I suspect that is from the seratonin effects

merovingian
04-28-09, 01:34 PM
I was taking 5 a day twice a day right off the bat. did it for a week straight before stopping.

tried 2.5with 2.5 of focalin about 2 months later. Same scrotal pain.

Now on 30 mg of cymbalta, 15 of buspar and its 2 more months later. had success last week mixing some old dextrostat with focalin. Like 1.25 dex 2.5 focalin at 2 hour intervals. No side effects.

about to try 1.25 desoxyn 1 mg of dextrostat(last known bottle) and about 2.5 focalin. will report back

Also, desoxyn made it harder to ejaculate as well at 5 mg and I suspect that is from the seratonin effects
Wow, some interesting combo's there.

I would agree about the Desoxyn making it more difficult to ejaculate however the sex seems more stimulating, probably worth the trade IMO.

I can say that the apatite suppression is minimal after about a month for me and I really don't experience any other negative side effects at 30mg daily but I suppose everyone is different.

I'm interested to see how your latest combo works out, I certainly haven't dabbled in mixing my ADD meds but I can see how a cocktail could be more beneficial and efficient. I wonder if there should be any concern about mixing meds as I imagaine few research studies have been done on these various mixtures.

Yellow
05-19-09, 12:24 AM
do any of you, or do any of oyu know anyone on desoxyn who also is treated with an SNRI or SSRI?

PhishHead
07-28-09, 04:18 PM
I am currently on the SNRI cymbalta. Was on 30 mg/day with 30mg at 10mg 3 times per daybuspar per day for about three months buspar 6 months cymbalta

I started to feel apathetic, unmotivated, and my short term memory was going to crap(especially after adding a few bong rips to the cocktail)

I stopped the buspar. Backed down the Cymbalta to 20mg. Then OH SO slowly added in the desoxyn and a little dextrostat. Was taking 1.25 desoxyn 1.25 dex but then moved to 2.5 desoxyn and stayed with 1.25 dex AS NEEDED.

Taking desoxyn back in november at starting dose of 5 mg my left testicle immediately sunk 4 hours in and was PAINFUL. Funny thing is buspar did the same thing. But I backed way back on the dosage of that and stuck it out and worked it in until I was stable on it. THat is was led me to believe I could do it with desoxyn.

Dextrostat has an interesting side effect of doing the oppposite and tightening up my sroctum. It allows me to focus un the mundane as the original OP said he experienced with adderall. part of the reason I was taking that with the desoxyn was to combat the testicle side effect and it worked!

The desoxyn cymbalta combo is great(I take the cymbalata at bed time now). Desoxyn not only helps with focus but also with my desire and drive to start and complete tasks and just feel good doing things and moving through my day....but doesnt drive me into and OCD hyperfocused state like high dosages of dex do. If I have a lot of administrative type of work to complete I'll through a little dex in the mix.

I have recently read about " consequential aytypical add depression ". I really think THAT is what I have and a little OCD which also probably stems from the ADD.

THANK YOU ORIGINAL POSTER. I think I am finally on the correct track. Fingers are crossed and 2.5 weeks in and back on a stimulant