I got this in an email from my son. I thought it was worth sharing!

These are our rules! Please note....these are all numbered
"1" ON PURPOSE!

1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl.
If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it
down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving
it down.

1. Sunday = sports. It's like the full moon or the
changing of the tides. Let it be.

1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never
going to think of it that way.

1. Crying is blackmail.

1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one:
Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not
work! Just say it!

1. Yes, and No are perfectly acceptable answers to
almost every question.

1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help
solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.

1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a problem.
See a doctor.

1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In
fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days.

1. If you won't dress like the Victoria's Secret
girls, don't expect us to act like soap opera guys.

1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't
ask us.

1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways,
and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.

1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us
how you want it done.
Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just
do it yourself.

1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to
say during commercials..

1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions and
neither do we.

1. ALL men see in only ! 16 colors, like Windows default settings.
Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit.
We have no idea what mauve is.

1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that.

1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," we
will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying,
but it is just not worth the hassle.

1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to,
expect an answer you don't want to hear.

1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything
you wear is fine..... Really.

1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you
are prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the
shotgun formation, or monster trucks.

1. You have enough clothes.

1. You have too many shoes.

1. I am in shape. Round is a shape.

1. Thank you for reading this; Yes, I know, I have to
sleep on the couch tonight, but did you know men really don't mind that, it! 's like camping.

From a man who has been sleeping on the couch for the last 3 weeks, that rocked.

Grin

I loved it

Okeydoky, I will remember that.

1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one:
Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it!

OMG...that says it ALL!!!!

every newly engaged woman should get that list.

I never understood the whole toilet seat thing. I have to check it before I use it, why can’t she?

I have gotten this list in emails too....and although it is funny it is also trying to say that woman are to be seen and not heard and that all we do is worry about clothes and shoes. And i am sorry but some men in biblical times spent days and days lost in the desert (cant remember who now) but it just shows that even when needed men have never known how to ask for directions.

lmbo my hubby GETS the whole toilet seat thing NOW. Late one night I hear this inhuman scream and realize it's my husband and I go running thinking he was in the shower and had fallen. Well, he'd fallen all right. He has NO trouble what so ever leaving the seat in the down position nowaday's.

I received this email my self from no other then my husband and I found the copy he printed off to show his friend's at work my answer's.

1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl.
If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it
down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving
it down. (Darling dearest when YOU clean the toilet then YOU may decide the placement of the seat).

1. Sunday = sports. It's like the full moon or the
changing of the tides. Let it be. (I have NO issue with this as long as I'm not forced to watch re-run's and you hand the checkbook over without the look).

1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never
going to think of it that way. (Then tell me love why must we drive for hour's looking for the ever elusive "perfect" parking spot and why must we run full tilt to the nearest cash register.)

1. Crying is blackmail. (Would with-holding sex work better?)

1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one:
Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not
work! Just say it! (All right, for my birthday I want world peace if you cannot deliver that at least keep the children from killing each other for ONE day. And I want to feed all the children in the world if you can't deliver that either then just feed our's--direction's on how to run the stove are in the filing cabinet).

1. Yes, and No are perfectly acceptable answers to
almost every question. (then you understand perfectly when I say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?)

1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help
solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for. (Well, it's not like I'm going to go complaining about every little thing YOU do to YOU.)

1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a problem.
See a doctor. (A h**d on that last's less then 10 minutes is a problem, see a doctor.)

1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In
fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days. (Then why do you keep bringing up the phone bill?)

1. If you won't dress like the Victoria's Secret
girls, don't expect us to act like soap opera guys. (DEAL!!!!!!!!!)

1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't
ask us. (I only think I'm fat when you haven't slapped me on the behind when I walk by for over 24 hour's).

1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways,
and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one. (*jumps up and down excitedly* I'll call Melissa right away and tell her you said you'll take care of our's and her kid's while we shop on Sunday).

1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us
how you want it done.
Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just
do it yourself. (OK but please keep in mind the expense of the repairman after I tried to fix the washer myself).

1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to
say during commercials.. (AGREED, as long as you only say what you have to say on day's that do NOT end in Y)

1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions and
neither do we. (I understand, just remember I'm not a tow truck I don't push vehicle's out of muddy ditches.)

1. ALL men see in only ! 16 colors, like Windows default settings.
Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit.
We have no idea what mauve is. (What's a 6/8's wrench look like again?)

1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that. (ahhh I see, women have a rule like that with a twist. IF IT NEED'S SAID IT WILL BE SAID. I'm sure your friend's will remember that the next time they visit.)

1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," we
will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying,
but it is just not worth the hassle. (That is why I don't ask you what is wrong.)

1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to,
expect an answer you don't want to hear. (ARe you reading my thought's?)

1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything
you wear is fine..... Really. (Then next time I'm about to step out the door DO NOT ask me if I'm wearing THAT)

1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you
are prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the
shotgun formation, or monster trucks. (That's fine as long as your prepared to answer the same question over and over until your lying on the floor sobbing like a baby)

1. You have enough clothes. (And you have enough tool's)

1. You have too many shoes. (last count you were 3 pair's up on me)

1. I am in shape. Round is a shape. (Yes, it is shady in the summer and warm in the winter)

1. Thank you for reading this; Yes, I know, I have to
sleep on the couch tonight, but did you know men really don't mind that, it! 's like campin

Yes I do know you enjoy it...OOOOOO and darling dearest I have one other thing to add. Coming up behind a woman and grunting in her ear like a mad pig is not likely to have the desired effect.

I've added a few responses to the responses... for entertainment's sake. So lighten up Francis.


Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
I received this email my self from no other then my husband and I found the copy he printed off to show his friend's at work my answer's.

1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl.
If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it
down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving
it down. (Darling dearest when YOU clean the toilet then YOU may decide the placement of the seat).

Ok, a) it's a toilet. You cr*p in it. It doesn't need cleaning but maybe once a year. If it bothers you, you're welcome to wipe it off, but claiming that doing so gives you some authority over its use is ludicrous and bound to provoke a negative reaction.

And b) a mathematician worked the numbers, and found that the effort and time spent in raising and lowering the toilet seat was 25% higher when the man lowered it after using it each time due to sometimes having to raise it again if it was not used by a woman in the intervening time.

So if your man lowers it for you, count yourself lucky. If he doesn't, don't nag him over a relatively minor detail of life. Maybe instead think of all the blessings you enjoy- after all, there are people starving and dying in other parts of the world who'd love to have the use of a toilet even if they had to lower the seat.

Or maybe just consider the possibility that he's trying to hint that you need the exercise of raising and lowering the seat because the backs of your arms are beginning to get a little flabby...

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. Crying is blackmail. (Would with-holding sex work better?)

Yeah, that's a great idea. Because you're the only one on the planet I can get sex from.

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't
ask us. (I only think I'm fat when you haven't slapped me on the behind when I walk by for over 24 hour's).

I wouldn't get too excited about that, it's either just a target he can't miss, or he's trying to speed up your waddle as you pass in between him and the television... Or maybe he's fascinated by the ripples it creates, like in a pond...


Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never
going to think of it that way. (Then tell me love why must we drive for hour's looking for the ever elusive "perfect" parking spot and why must we run full tilt to the nearest cash register.)

You're right about this one- the seam running down the butt of your pants looks like it's about to explode, and emits little creaks and groans as you move, maybe we should park a little farther away so as to get in some exercise by walking just that little bit farther...

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't
ask us. (I only think I'm fat when you haven't slapped me on the behind when I walk by for over 24 hour's).

Ahhhhmmmm, we covered this, didn't we? In fact, I think when we go to the mall next time, maybe I should just back the car out of the garage and park in front of the house so we can walk the rest of the 5 miles...

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to
say during commercials.. (AGREED, as long as you only say what you have to say on day's that do NOT end in Y)

Fine. Sounds like a recipe for a happy marriage, as long as you do the same.

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions and
neither do we. (I understand, just remember I'm not a tow truck I don't push vehicle's out of muddy ditches)

Hmm, that's funny, you're BUILT like a tow truck...

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. ALL men see in only ! 16 colors, like Windows default settings.
Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit.
We have no idea what mauve is. (What's a 6/8's wrench look like again?)

It looks like a 3/4 wrench.

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us
how you want it done.
Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just
do it yourself. (OK but please keep in mind the expense of the repairman after I tried to fix the washer myself).

If you find yourself trying to give directions to someone on how to do something and having to use terms such as "dingus", "twisty thing", "grabby thing", "whatchamadoodle", "hooplipdingleplocker", "framistat", or "wingdangdoodle", you're making an idiot of yourself and annoying the person you're trying to "help". Stop it. The reason that you don't see guys doing this to each other is because that kind of behavior is nipped in the bud early by merciless mocking (or sometimes just by punching) of those who don't know what the heck they're talking about.

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one:
Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not
work! Just say it! (All right, for my birthday I want world peace if you cannot deliver that at least keep the children from killing each other for ONE day. And I want to feed all the children in the world if you can't deliver that either then just feed our's--direction's on how to run the stove are in the filing cabinet).

Pfft. You women think you're so superior in the communication department, and you don't even get the toilet seat thing...

BTW, it's fine with me if you want to go get a job and support the family, I'll happily stay home and not have to deal with office politics or sweat and grunt or whatever. Aw, you poor thing, you have to feed the children you begged us to have with you... Grow up, you sound like the little kid whining for a puppy and then not wanting to have to care for it...

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways,
and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one. (*jumps up and down excitedly* I'll call Melissa right away and tell her you said you'll take care of our's and her kid's while we shop on Sunday).

Did you forget to take your meds today or what?

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that. (ahhh I see, women have a rule like that with a twist. IF IT NEED'S SAID IT WILL BE SAID. I'm sure your friend's will remember that the next time they visit.)

Then apparently every stray thought that crosses your mind you consider to be of earth-shattering import. Have you talked to a doctor about this value judgement impairment you seem to have?

Originally posted by kat_in_mich
I have gotten this list in emails too....and although it is funny it is also trying to say that woman are to be seen and not heard and that all we do is worry about clothes and shoes. And i am sorry but some men in biblical times spent days and days lost in the desert (cant remember who now) but it just shows that even when needed men have never known how to ask for directions.

No, Kat, it's not saying that at all, it's saying that women talk a lot more than men, so percentage-wise, that means they talk about unimportant subjects a lot more than men.

Like my mom, who will hover over me as I try to work or do something and yammer on about absolutely NOTHING (I do love her, she's great, but jeez).

And that's the point. Not that you shouldn't speak at all, but that some women just go waaaay OVERBOARD with it...

I love my girlfriend for the fact that a lot of times when we're out we're just together, we don't have to be talking to enjoy our time with each other. There are times when we talk for hours, and times when we don't. It's an insecure person (at least from a guy's viewpoint) who has to talk ALL the time.

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Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't
ask us. (I only think I'm fat when you haven't slapped me on the behind when I walk by for over 24 hour's).
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I wouldn't get too excited about that, it's either just a target he can't miss, or he's trying to speed up your waddle as you pass in between him and the television... Or maybe he's fascinated by the ripples it creates, like in a pond...




Hey...I resemble that remark!



aforceforgood... I love your quote about the hemi w/ tranny problems!

I'm sure glad my husband has a better sense of humor then some here. We actually had a lot of fun with this email sending message's back and forth. My answer's were not directed to all men just little pokes at my husband and yes he sent some back but he wasn't openly cruel about it.

I was only trying to lighten the mood. The day I posted every single post I had read was upsetting and I hoped to bring laughter to some. Guess I was off the mark.

You were off the mark, and it's disturbing that you didn't even realize it.

Our society is permeated with male-bashing, television is rife with it (a largely female-run industry), but at least with this mass medium I can respond to it.

I was trying to be humorous, and I guess I let my tongue get a little sharp since some of your comments were so derisive and openly hostile towards men.

Seemed to me like turnabout was fair play, but then I guess we know women expect preferential treatment.

Case in point: your comment

"1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you
are prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the
shotgun formation, or monster trucks. (That's fine as long as your prepared to answer the same question over and over until your lying on the floor sobbing like a baby)"

which obviously means you'd punch or kick your husband or hurt him in some other way. I read that several times yesterday, and I don't recall the words "until your" being there. I read it several times because I couldn't believe you were so openly saying that you'd hurt your husband. So I suspect moderators have the ability to edit their own posts long after the rest of us who have a what, 60 minute time limit? If you misspoke or mistyped, fine, but please own up to it.

I reworded my post about giving directions several times (before posting) to make sure people wouldn't get the impression I was talking about hitting a woman. Consider the responses I'd have gotten if I hadn't.

But for some reason you consider your derisive and hostile comments are a-ok. Why is that?

OK first off just because I'm a moderator does NOT make me special or give me special treatment. Have you once considered that you read the post wrong? I have read post's several times and until someone pointed out key words found offense. I NEVER edited my post.

Another thing I pointed out was that was the reply I sent back to MY HUSBAND as a JOKE in which he sent replies back to my replies and yes we're still passing the same email back and forth, it's actually getting pretty long. My husband and I have alway's poked fun at each other's little quirks. I NEVER said it was directed toward the MALE population in general.

Now, I would NEVER hit, punch, kick, bite, slap, poke my husband. That was referring to ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER. i.e. Now what's the linebacker do again? answer--5 minute's later what's the linebacker do again? get MY drift. NEVER EVER will you hear me say it's OK for ANYONE in a relationship to use physical force to prove a point nor get your way.

And while we are on the issue of bashing the original post was not all that friendly toward's female's nor the answer's which I took as a joke and found no offense at. I found offense with your post because it was or at least seemed as if it were directed at ME.

Thank you and have a nice day.

I meant to include this in the previous post;

Also consider that while you and your husband may know (intellectually) that you are kidding with each other, but your children may not. I know you said that was in an email, but I would expect your behavior there to mirror your behavior in the real world...

I had a girlfriend a while back who had a 5-year old, and we would kid each other the same way, little digs intended as humor, and we both took it that way, until the kid asked with tears in his eyes why we were fighting all the time. We explained to him that we were only playing with each other and stopped that behavior immediately.

Because even if you're only kidding, it's usually funny because there's a grain of truth in it, and it's just not healthy for people to hear negative comments all the time... that's the sort of thing that can reverberate inside someone's head long afterward.

And our mental state largely consists of our "self talk", the ongoing conversation you have with yourself in your head.

I disagree with you on the tone of your own comments. Whereas the original post highlights the differences between males and females, and in some instances even gently deprecates males, yours lean toward hostility.

My purpose however, is not to have an argument with you over whether your comments are hostile or not, though I did take them as such. My purpose is to cause females to re-examine the preferential treatment they expect and their own attitudes and behavior towards men.

You know I could go on forever but I don't feel the urge nor the need to defend myself. While your calling me a male basher perhap's you should read other post's were my husband is mentioned. Many times over and over I clearly state that he is the most important and beautiful person in my life beside's my kid's. We find thing's like this funny because we are secure in our relationship and our love for each other.

So, this is were I smile and wink...your right...I'm wrong.

Ok, Personally I feel, the thread was all posted in fun, I hope:uhh:, and being the fun loving person that I know Futs is...she had a little fun too...giving the post another side...cause face it...there are always two sides to everything. BUT BUT BUT...it was not meant to offend men.

If someone is going to be easily defensive on the subject...then that person should not post a topic on it...cause in a forum everyone Male or Female is going to have their say.

So you're saying that because your INTENTIONS are not to offend, it is IMPOSSIBLE for your words to have conveyed a message other than what you intended, so you're not even going to consider the possibility?

Or maybe you're saying that because you've said mostly good things about your husband that it's ok to make a few hostile derisive comments now and then?

Would you apply the same yardstick to racial stereotyping? As long as you make mostly positive comments about a particular racial group then it's ok to make an offensive comment every now and then?

It's a nice cop-out to say that "I don't feel the urge nor the need to defend myself. (because I know I didn't mean anything by it)". It relieves you of having to do the mental work of coming up with a rationale for your words, and attempts to make it seem like I'm being oversensetive to your comments.

Apparently you're too intimidated by me to debate me fairly. So be it, I've made my point I think, and I can hardly expect you to not be defensive about your own indefensible comments.

If you have such a good sense of humor, then you should find this funny...

That's some sloppy, emotional thinking, but I guess I should expect that from a woman...

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!

:D Honestly yes the more this goes on the more kick I get out of it.

Maybe it's not normal for YOU to have a little fun with your mate. My husband and I just think the quirk's males and FEMALES have are entertaining. For instance it drives me crazy that he flips thru the channels a hundred miles an hour and it drives him crazy that when it comes to a clean house I'm like Hitler. EVERYONE has quirk's my point is you can either hold in that they irritate you until you blow up and blow them out of proportion or you can laugh about them and move on.

Now, when we joke about the quirk's it's a NICE way of saying hey this drives me nuts. Instead of getting in a fight about it we joke about it and work on it.

On weekend's and I say it's time to start cleaning my husband will jump up and yell "Hail Hitler" reminding me that if thing's aren't moved when dusting it's NOT going to kill anyone.

I'm trying to say this is MY relationship with MY husband and honestly I don't see how YOU could possibly find offense with what WE are comfortable with because it has no effect on YOUR life.

The point is I think we have finally come to agree to disagree.;)

p.s. I am very sorry that you took offense to my post; but, the point I'm trying to make is it was not directed toward's YOU or any other MALE in this forum. And I would feel bad if HE found offense with it and to be fair I have had him read it not your replies of course (he's a little on the defensive side) and he found it funny. HUMOR is how WE (my husband and I) deal with everyday life WE don't know another way.

Hey Force

I am going to side with the post was supposed to be fun.

I read it several times and chuckeled each and every time.

I did not find it to be male bashing or Im just not as sensitive as you.

You had some valid points, but maybe not in this paticular conversation as I took it all as good old fun .

your friend

Garry

:D Thank you Garry. I also acknowledge that I may have hurt Force's feeling's accidently and am sorry for that it was never my intention. I thought the original post was funny and a little bashy on women and felt I had the right to defend myself. I DO have a strange sense of humor luckily so does my husband that is probably why we get along so well.

Originally posted by Nucking_Futs
p.s. I am very sorry that you took offense to my post; but, the point I'm trying to make is it was not directed toward's YOU or any other MALE in this forum. And I would feel bad if HE found offense with it and to be fair I have had him read it not your replies of course (he's a little on the defensive side) and he found it funny. HUMOR is how WE (my husband and I) deal with everyday life WE don't know another way.

Hmmm, well, part of being married is not starting a fight unless you're sure it's really worth it... and it sounds like you can be a handful... I can understand your desire to take his comments at face value since they reinforce what you feel to be the truth, but just understand that that may not be the whole story... he may just be aware of your personality and your true underlying feelings (of not being that angry with men even while you're annoyed with a lot of things they do) and not want to undertake the task (he may feel it's not doable, or overly difficult for too little of a payoff) of pointing out how your comments convey an underlying animosity for men.

I understand it wasn't directed at me, even if it were, I couldn't care less about that, but I saw an opportunity to point out the bias women have which is so ingrained they don't even see it.

You felt the original post was bashy towards women, but your posts were for some reason above reproach. My frustration was entirely with trying to have a logical debate with an emotionally-oriented thinker who basically "cheated" in her responses by refusing to even discuss whether her posts were bashy towards men or to put forth some reasonable rationale as to why they were not.

This is a source of a lot of frustration for men, because when we try to discuss something rationally with women, a lot of the time we have started out the discussion in rational-land only to have to chase after the woman who retreats into emotional-land, where there is no right and wrong, other than how the woman "feels" about it, and the rules of that land are entirely in her favor (since she's the ruler of emotional-land, and the propagandized myth that men are emotionally retarded is largely accepted, so that if she can lure him onto her home turf, she's virtually assured of winning the argument, even if she has to cheat and end it by saying; "You just don't understand" and cry).

If the woman doesn't like it (whatever the "it" being discussed may be), then we're wrong, and no preponderance of evidence on the rational side of it will sway her.

You can see how this would be frustrating, can't you?

As for you feeling my responses were directed at you, I don't even know you, how could they be?

Ah yes, that's right, you FELT they were, so therefore MY responses were offensive.

Whereas yours were humorous. Check.

Interesting how the "male" posts were "female-bashing" even when they were derisive towards MEN (i.e., hints, colors, monster trucks, sports, fitness level, etc.) but YOUR comments (representing the female side) were above reproach.

I'd ask you again to explain the difference, but you likely have as little desire to continue this debate as I do, and we already know that the answer you'd give (if you deigned to give one at all) would be based on your feelings, now don't we?

I do appreciate your trying to apologize without taking any responsibility for offense and trying to make me entirely at fault for this controversial discussion, it made me smile and shake my head. It's female tactics 101. Nicely done.

Hmmm, well, part of being married is not starting a fight unless you're sure it's really worth it... and it sounds like you can be a handful... I can understand your desire to take his comments at face value since they reinforce what you feel to be the truth, but just understand that that may not be the whole story... he may just be aware of your personality and your true underlying feelings (of not being that angry with men even while you're annoyed with a lot of things they do) and not want to undertake the task (he may feel it's not doable, or overly difficult for too little of a payoff) of pointing out how your comments convey an underlying animosity for men.

My comment's convey an underlying animosity for men because the original post conveyed an uderlying animosity for women. Are you or have you ever been married?

I saw an opportunity to point out the bias women have which is so ingrained they don't even see it.

And your post nor the original post did NOT have one little bit of bias against women in them?

If the woman doesn't like it (whatever the "it" being discussed may be), then we're wrong, and no preponderance of evidence on the rational side of it will sway her.

I have seen no evidence that I have done anything wrong since you are the only one who has taken offense. I did apologize for that but will not apologize for my original post nor any other's after that because I honestly don't think I did anything wrong. No tear's here hon.

As for you feeling my responses were directed at you, I don't even know you, how could they be?

That's right you don't know me. You don't know my husband believe me if he were to angry about how we handle issue's he's definatly NOT the type to sit by quietly and let it go on. He's the get in your face type of guy. While I'm the "I'm sorry, it's all my fault" kind of girl. Well, my husband is working on that with me right now because that is not the kind of woman he want's to be married to. So, this is what you get...I guess you can thank him.

I'd ask you again to explain the difference, but you likely have as little desire to continue this debate as I do, and we already know that the answer you'd give (if you deigned to give one at all) would be based on your feelings, now don't we?

Your right I'm getting a little tired of this myself. So, you were offended. Other's were not, I apologized to you as far as I'm concerned it's OVER.

p.s. Your exactly right there is no difference in either post.

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just so i have my 2 cents in this....i dont see anything wrong with what futs has been saying and i am extremely offended by what aforceforgood has been saying...he pointed me out as well...and i dont appreciate it one bit.

Ok for some reason this whole thread is getting ugly and yes I'm a major contributor to the ugliness. So, unfortunatly I'm going to close the thread for now to allow a cool down period.