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Addr68

08-17-09, 09:12 AM

Situational depression, brought on by....

I like to hear your story's that have brought on a situational depression.

I'll start by sharing mine...

I have been seeing many neurologist since last December. There is something wrong with my motor neurons. I have been out of work since December and the isolation, being tested for some really serious neuro/muscular diseases/disorders, has but me into a situational depression.

The docs are still testing me. It has been a long road. My daily routine has been a mess. I have an unoffical dx for Benign Cramp Fasciculation Syndrome. (dx of exclusion)

This is good in a way. (benign) For they were looking at ALS, MS and other bad boys. I believe this testing coupled with isolation and the pain associated with doing the most simple daily task..has brought on this situational depression. The pdoc and other neuro's have the same thought.

To boot. I had a cognitive test done..Well the skinny of the test, showed a cognitive disorder indicated in the frontotemporal region..left and right hempisphere. I do have scars (ischemia) in the brain. Pdoc believes I have something going on organically with my brian (CNS)

The test showed among other things, my motor skills are being affected.

They are not sure yet if there is a correlation with what the neuropsychologist findings are, and the findings of countless other neurologist. *Can we say a lot of scans, EMG's, NCS and blood work, spinal tap...

I have let the waiting "game" affect me... It's been a long journey.

Questions?

Is anyone else going through this type of depression?

Does anybody else here have Benign Cramp Fasciculation Syndrome?

There are 4 stages to this Syndrome.

Anybody have another stage of this Benign Syndrome?

How has it affected your daily routine?

I have found a few things that help.. I love to hear from others. :)

Btw: I found on another site...postings on living with and understanding Benign Cramp Fasciculation Syndrome and the other stages of this rare syndrome.

NORD Rare Disease Support Community - Inspire

http://www.inspire.com/groups/rare-disease/discussion/cramp-fasciculation-syndrome/

I see there is a sub-forum for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Looking for folks dealing with situational depression with one of the Benign Syndromes...but open of course from hearing from others dealing with "situational depression" brought on sudden life altering changes...be it medical, family, job etc...

Here is nice short article :)
'Situational Depression Brought On By Life':

http://www.articlesbase.com/health-articles/situational-depression-brought-on-by-life-62752.html

Thank you. May we all get through this. May we hang onto hope and not give up.

Turbochica

08-17-09, 10:26 AM

First of all, thanks for sharing with us what youhave/ are going through and someof what you are dealing with.
It is a long journey of tests dfoctor visits. Diagnosis and treatment for sure.
I am pleased to counted among your friends to walk beside you here during this journey.
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Situational Depression. Good topic indeed. I will come back when I have the time to write more, but wanted to say thanks for starting this thread.

Looking forward to good dialog about all that you mentioned

Thanks again for a great thread

Addr68

08-17-09, 11:36 AM

Thank you tChica :) You are a dear friend. You have been true and very supportive. My compliments.

I look forward to your next post :)

Aye, situational depression is a good topic..I believe many have experience this; can relate to this and we can help/support eachother.

Step by step, we can make it!

stef

08-18-09, 10:20 AM

Turbochica

08-19-09, 10:54 AM

DesertDave

08-19-09, 01:34 PM

Wow, that's a lot of testing going on. What started this series of testing?

And I apparently have situational depression, too. I've asked the 3 p-docs I've seen during my ADHD adventure if I were depressed and they said no. So I guess I'm not clinically depressed. The first one put it: "You're not depressed - just bummed out. They're not the same."

I won't go into my details, but this isn't the best time of my life. So yeah, I'm somewhat depressed. My current p-doc is trying to treat the resultant anxiety AND my ADHD.

Addr68

08-19-09, 06:29 PM

Hey DesertDave, Situational Depression oy , is a bummer. Your pdocs are treating you for the adhd and its "friend anxiety... I'm wishing the best for you..It is an adventure.

I too have a gen' anxiety companion to go with adhd. I have not see my pdoc yet for this situational depression..(will soon) but these neuro docs say, depression meds can still help with situational depression.
lol I one neuro tell me, "you can't reason yourself out of this bummer state" oy. So much for my ego lol.

Clinical depression and situational depression..may have different stripes..but darn it, a state of depression is still a state of depression.

I hope this time in your life dear sir, improves...Life can be like a ship on the high seas, I hoping for you, safe harbors to anchor in and a good wind to your sails, as life's journey meets each new horizon. May we have hope for what lays ahead.

Thanks for sharing a part of your journey DesertDave.

O' this BSFS, started in my legs.. i.e cramps and loss of balance..then progressed from there. oy .

Staying afloat,
Bry

Addr68

08-19-09, 06:38 PM

wow thank you for that; don't know what to say...
I suppose i did have a kind of situational depression once but maybe it was due to hormones (what is the official name of baby blues?)
but really nothing like this & I hope you're having a good day today...

The official name of "baby blues" is post patrum depression

Hey stef, thank you, one day at a time. I have a saying, "I'm one day away from returning to work"....

I 've heard of this 'baby blue', after delivery a baby.

Thank you tchica for your reply to this. :) I found a small artical from the mayo clinic on Postpartum depression:

http://mayoclinic.com/health/postpartum-depression/DS00546

The third page n that link under "causes" it says,
"Physical changes. After childbirth, a dramatic drop in estrogen and progesterone may contribute to postpartum depression. The hormones produced by your thyroid gland also may drop sharply — which can leave you feeling tired, sluggish and depressed. Changes in your blood volume, blood pressure, immune system and metabolism can lead to fatigue and mood swings."

The human body for all the good bad and ugly, seems to counter act and manifest interesting side affects.. That can be subtle and empact us in the most particular ways.

Today is a good day, a ray of hope. I started my treatment this afternoon. They put me on Keppra. Crossing fingers :)

Bry

Lunacie

08-19-09, 07:30 PM

Addr68

08-19-09, 08:38 PM

I've been dealing with depression off and on for the last 30+ years, mostly due to undiagnosed/untreated ADHD-I, general anxiety disorder, migraine disorder, and fibromyalgia.

My daughter has Fibromyalgia and also Fasciculation Syndrome due to a car crash she was in 6 years ago. This has also caused her to have varying levels of depression during this time.

For me, when the pain level is bad and prevents me from doing much of anything, that's when I get very depressed. In a way, just realizing that I am feeling depressed can help me to start thinking more positively and start feeling less depressed. I don't have health insurance to pay for expensive prescriptions to treat the migraines or the depression.

Hey Lunacie,

You know, I can relate to what you shared, regarding on and off depression with being un dx with adhd. I was dx'd a few years ago. I am 40. Its like you know something is different and you try to understand it..then start feeling bummed about it. For me, it was a relief, to be dx Adhd-combine type.

Same as finding out what in the world is going on with my nerves and muscles. It was very un-nerving (pun) to see Fasiculations and having those painful craps. They say there is no cure..but its not a death sentence. Thus, I smile more today from this news...

My former Mother-n-Law has fibromyalgia. I understand this to be like having the flu without having a flu; the pain and aches. I would see her holding her left arm to your chest and her face drupe.

I would see her on her 'good days' getting what she can get done, then we wouldnt see her for days after that.

I hope your good days are good days and those other days, may you find comfort...

Isnt it wacky to want to do soo much then, bam! we are hit by something out of our hands..and then depression knocks on our door. It is very frustrating.

I do like your attitude Lunacie :) In a way, just realizing that I am feeling depressed can help me to start thinking more positively and start feeling less depressed.

When I didnt have medical insurance years ago, I went to a free clinic. They help me with some meds. Do you think, one of these clinics can assist with antidepressants? I understand they network with the pharmaceutical companies..The med I was on was Neurontin (for a back surgery I had). It did not cost me a penny. This was a blessing.

Lunacie, your daughter has Fibromyalgia and also Fasciculation Syndrome due to a car crash she was in 6 years ago. How does she manage with her daily routines? Does she get those hands contractions...(locking of the hands) from picking up stuff or cooking/cleaning etc..

Thank you for sharing Lunacie. That postitve attitude you have Lunacie...today has given a fellow traveler, a smile. Thank you.

In all things, Bry ;)

novagal

08-19-09, 08:49 PM

I'm so glad you're sharing this, I think it can be a step in the right direction as far as coming to terms with what's going on in your life and I appreciate and respect the courage it takes to speak up about it.
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Situational depression is something that can effect anyone, and in my experience has been every bit as debilitating as chemical depression. Everyone is so different, events that might bring it on in one person might not have that effect in another, but that doesn't make it any less valid or real.

In my situation, it was a series of events and stressors that occurred over a relatively short amount of time, an eighteen month period. I was diagnosed with degenerative disc disease in my cervical and lumbar spine, fibromyalgia, a pituitary tumor (prolactinoma), ovarian tumor, and had two surgeries - ovary removed and gall bladder removed. My mom who had Parkinson's and was in a nursing home (she was quadriplegic because she'd fallen and broken her neck) died , my father had two heart surgeries and then died, as well as my grandmother and uncle. My husband was laid off three times due to downsizing - we couldn't afford COBRA so our insurance was all over the place. There's more, but you get the idea.

Funny thing was that it was being in charge of cleaning out my parents house (my childhood home) and getting it ready to sell that really sent me over the edge. It got so that I didn't want to leave my house, it felt like everytime I started to "breathe" again, something would hit me out of left field.

Needless to say I spiralled into a deep depression. The fact that control is only an illusion became glaringly evident. Many of the things that I'd seen as part of my identity were no longer a part of my life, and I had physical limitations that I'd not had before. The world seemed to be a very big, dark, scary place.

I learned that I needed to grieve every one of these losses. My life was suddenly going in a different direction than I had thought it was, and that was a loss to grieve too. If I didn't grieve these things, I could never come to a place of acceptance and move forward. I started on anti-depressants and went into therapy. It definitely helped enough at the beginning to keep me going, but the real growth took quite awhile.

One of the most helpful things my therapist told me was that there comes a time to not fight the feelings of depression. He suggested I write notes to myself that said "I'm in a depression, and that's okay. This is temporary, and I won't feel this way forever." It wasn't giving up, more like letting go. Positive thinking wasn't going to fix this one. I'd been judging and almost been shaming myself because I thought I "should" be able to get through this and not feel so hopeless. Once I could accept myself fully in the midst of feeling miserable, it seems I was better able to start working through things.

Things did get better, much much better. I got re-aquainted with myself, and began to accept and adapt to my limitations.

This year there was a very brief issue with my husband and his sobriety - and I totally went on a tailspin down the depression road. He got the help he needed immediately, and I headed straight back to alanon, but I initially fell apart and it's taken me almost three months to start coming out of it. I think I hoped that I'd be more prepared at this point for life's unexpected stressors, and I suppose in a big way I am, I just need to remember to cut myself a break.

ginniebean

08-19-09, 09:03 PM

Addr68

08-19-09, 09:19 PM

Novagal, You are a survivor and a fighter. Determined and a light on the cliff. I appreciate you very much and have much respect for you. You know I count you as a dear friend.

Thank you for opening up your thoughts and heart my dear friend. I can only imagine this pain and grief you have gone through. Yet you fought tooth and nail through it; even when depression hanging a dark cloak over you.

You swam at times up stream with all your strengh..with all your energy..even when being "hit" so many times...

My friend, when I say you are a light on a cliff..you are an inspiration, and example of one who overcomes the storms in life. Your light, your sharing of your journey...gives hope and encouragment to weary travelers on the high seas, looking for a safe harbor to anchor in, and find peace and understanding...We are blessed by your spirit my friend.

Novagal: One of the most helpful things my therapist told me was that there comes a time to not fight the feelings of depression. He suggested I write notes to myself that said "I'm in a depression, and that's okay. This is temporary, and I won't feel this way forever." It wasn't giving up, more like letting go. Positive thinking wasn't going to fix this one. I'd been judging and almost been shaming myself because I thought I "should" be able to get through this and not feel so hopeless. Once I could accept myself fully in the midst of feeling miserable, it seems I was better able to start working through things.

Things did get better, much much better. I got re-aquainted with myself, and began to accept and adapt to my limitations.

Amen!

Thank you SuperNovafriend. :) My compliments.

Bry

Addr68

08-19-09, 09:38 PM

I too am glad you're sharing about what you're going thru. Sometimes the simply act of sharing can help you see more clearly and not feel so isolated.

I assure you that the relationship between pain and physical limitation with depression is very common. When I worked as a massage therapist I would see people come in for all sorts of injuries, a common one was someone coming in with whiplash, what you'd notice was that as the months wore on the person became more and more noticably depressed.

I have had situational depression in my life with Post Partum Depression, tho I had no idea I was depressed because I wasn't sad just thought I was a bad person. It took several years to recover fully.

I hope you get some answers and hopefully some relief.

Thank you ginniebean :) Its a journey for sure. You mention the relationship between pain and physical limitation with depression is very common. I was blind to this for a long time.

Using an analogy of a carpetar, a carpetar is about to cut a plank of wood. He makes his cut marks..then begins to saw..along the way he notices he is way off his cut mark. But it wasnt noticable at first.

what you'd notice was that as the months wore on the person became more and more noticably depressed.

I see this as depression cutting into our plain of pain...we think we are ok..then along the way..we see something is not plum.

Excellant observation ginniebean.

ginniebean, how did you overcome your Post Partum Depression? I think you have a fantastic spirit about you! ;)

Thank you for sharing..and thank you for your well wishes.

Like the Greek heroes of old; when we feel wounded..we tend to descend into the depth of the earth..but will fight and raise once again into the light..ready and be rejuvenated. May our sails be trimmed to the good wind :)

Thank you :)

bry

Addr68

08-19-09, 11:27 PM

Here is a vid to a song called, Don't you cry by Kamelot

When I hear this song, I hear it in the first and second person.
Friends that are standing beside us.
Even remembering those that have gone on and they are in spirit, standing beside us.
Very soothing song..Peaceful :)

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stef

08-20-09, 04:39 AM

I forgot to add, my mom became actually clinically depressed after undergoing surgery (and unfortunately complications) once, she was in a psychiatric hospital for several weeks.

Addr68

08-20-09, 09:20 AM

I forgot to add, my mom became actually clinically depressed after undergoing surgery (and unfortunately complications) once, she was in a psychiatric hospital for several weeks.

Hey stef, I can only imagine the trama your mum went through that includes you and your family..seeing this unfold...with the surgery and the events that followed. It seems like events like this can 'snowball".. a life changer.. I hope all is well with her these days.
I remember reading somewhere on the forums, she has visited you in France.
I believe you also were in the states recently.
Thank you for sharing stef. My thoughts go out to you and your family.
Bry

stef

08-20-09, 09:49 AM

Lunacie

08-20-09, 09:56 AM

Hey Lunacie,

You know, I can relate to what you shared, regarding on and off depression with being un dx with adhd. I was dx'd a few years ago. I am 40. Its like you know something is different and you try to understand it..then start feeling bummed about it. For me, it was a relief, to be dx Adhd-combine type.

Same as finding out what in the world is going on with my nerves and muscles. It was very un-nerving (pun) to see Fasiculations and having those painful craps. They say there is no cure..but its not a death sentence. Thus, I smile more today from this news...

My former Mother-n-Law has fibromyalgia. I understand this to be like having the flu without having a flu; the pain and aches. I would see her holding her left arm to your chest and her face drupe.

I would see her on her 'good days' getting what she can get done, then we wouldnt see her for days after that.

I hope your good days are good days and those other days, may you find comfort...

Isnt it wacky to want to do soo much then, bam! we are hit by something out of our hands..and then depression knocks on our door. It is very frustrating.

I do like your attitude Lunacie :)

When I didnt have medical insurance years ago, I went to a free clinic. They help me with some meds. Do you think, one of these clinics can assist with antidepressants? I understand they network with the pharmaceutical companies..The med I was on was Neurontin (for a back surgery I had). It did not cost me a penny. This was a blessing.

Lunacie, your daughter has Fibromyalgia and also Fasciculation Syndrome due to a car crash she was in 6 years ago. How does she manage with her daily routines? Does she get those hands contractions...(locking of the hands) from picking up stuff or cooking/cleaning etc..

Thank you for sharing Lunacie. That postitve attitude you have Lunacie...today has given a fellow traveler, a smile. Thank you.

In all things, Bry ;)

Yeah, it was a huge relief for me when I first started learning about ADHD, been about 6 years ago. I totally knew then what was going on with me. In fact, the more I've learned about Autism for my youngest granddaughter, the more convinced I am that I have high-functioning Autism, possibly something along the lines of Asperger's. At this point I only have a diagnosis from our family therapist, not anything official, but the testing definately confirmed the ADHD-I.

The FibroMyalgia has been less troublesome for me for the last six years. Is that because I started taking Omega 3 supplements? Possibly. It does get worse from time to time - especially following a trauma such as dislocating my left knee, or breaking my right arm near the shoulder. But overall not as much achiness and tiredness as I used to have.

My daughter does indeed find it fascinating in a weird way to watch the nervse fasiculate along her arm. First the muscles would clench up and then her hands would have no gripping power or muscle control. She had to give us her chosen occupation of beautician because she couldn't hold the scissors steady or hold her arms up at shoulder level or higher for much of the day without great pain and muscle cramps and weakness.

For her the FM and the Fasciculation Syndrome isn't deadly either, but the damage to her spine through the neck could be. If she were ever in another car crash or did anything to whip her neck around she could end up a paraplegic, or dead.

I was going to one of those low-cost/free clinics last year for the migraine issues, and was treated horribly. The doctor I've been seeing could probably prescribe something for the depression if I decide I need something, and I think some of the anti-depressants are on the discount meds list through my pharmacist. Unfortunately my doctor doesn't treat chronic pain conditions such as migraine, and there aren't any discount meds on the list for migraine. When the weather is unstable like it's been this week, I'm just miserable and can't get anything done.

Addr68

08-20-09, 11:12 AM

how very kind of you!
actually this was way back in 1994 or 1995; it was in October and I believe she was ok by Thanksgiving. She went back on antidepressants again a couple of years ago, she takes a low dosage every day and they have done absolute wonders.

Stef, this is very good news.... a low dosage and it has done wonders :) I'm sure this is a great relief. *smiles*

Addr68

08-20-09, 12:14 PM

Yeah, it was a huge relief for me when I first started learning about ADHD, been about 6 years ago. I totally knew then what was going on with me. In fact, the more I've learned about Autism for my youngest granddaughter, the more convinced I am that I have high-functioning Autism, possibly something along the lines of Asperger's. At this point I only have a diagnosis from our family therapist, not anything official, but the testing definately confirmed the ADHD-I.

The FibroMyalgia has been less troublesome for me for the last six years. Is that because I started taking Omega 3 supplements? Possibly. It does get worse from time to time - especially following a trauma such as dislocating my left knee, or breaking my right arm near the shoulder. But overall not as much achiness and tiredness as I used to have.

My daughter does indeed find it fascinating in a weird way to watch the nervse fasiculate along her arm. First the muscles would clench up and then her hands would have no gripping power or muscle control. She had to give us her chosen occupation of beautician because she couldn't hold the scissors steady or hold her arms up at shoulder level or higher for much of the day without great pain and muscle cramps and weakness.

For her the FM and the Fasciculation Syndrome isn't deadly either, but the damage to her spine through the neck could be. If she were ever in another car crash or did anything to whip her neck around she could end up a paraplegic, or dead.

I was going to one of those low-cost/free clinics last year for the migraine issues, and was treated horribly. The doctor I've been seeing could probably prescribe something for the depression if I decide I need something, and I think some of the anti-depressants are on the discount meds list through my pharmacist. Unfortunately my doctor doesn't treat chronic pain conditions such as migraine, and there aren't any discount meds on the list for migraine. When the weather is unstable like it's been this week, I'm just miserable and can't get anything done.

Isnt it amazing to find an answer..to something we sense is happening to us..its like a heavyweight being lifted off our shoulders.

Shucks with that free clinic being the way they were to you...and prolly to others as well. I hope there can be a resolution for your migraines. I hear the med Phenergan helps with migraines..I'm not a pharmicist, but do recall a family member taking it..It's for nausea..but somehow it helps her with migraines.

Yes thank goodness, the generic med price is within reason.

I found generic klonopin, adderal tap, and keppra to be very reasonable. Matter-of-fact. My RX medical plan for generics is 20 dollars..but these generics are like 10 to 15 dollars..This is good news.

I cant take adderal for the time being. So I'm relying on some coping mechs..this helps to a certain degree. oy lol

My daughter does indeed find it fascinating in a weird way to watch the nervse fasiculate along her arm. First the muscles would clench up and then her hands would have no gripping power or muscle control. She had to give us her chosen occupation of beautician because she couldn't hold the scissors steady or hold her arms up at shoulder level or higher for much of the day without great pain and muscle cramps and weakness.

For her the FM and the Fasciculation Syndrome isn't deadly either, but the damage to her spine through the neck could be. If she were ever in another car crash or did anything to whip her neck around she could end up a paraplegic, or dead.

It is weird to watch the fasiculations..can be anoying to boot. Its when they turn into cramps that the pain starts. It reminds me of pop corn popping under the skin...

Yes the gripping power, is very limited. Now your daughter's symptoms stim from a cervical injury...Does she have stenosis/impingement on the spinal cord?

I can see why it would be hard to grip or even lift up arms, above the shoulders. I truely am sorry she is going through this.. she is in my thoughts!

My syndrome, from what the docs say is must likely from an antibody acting weird. Still being tested on this.

Still, weather BFS is from am injury or something else, its still a life altering event. I too wish your daughter peace and wellness Lunacie.

What I found that helps is using paper/plastic cups/plates..so when the grip is loose or contorts..I dont have to worry about dropping glass and hurting more... Does she find this helpful?

It sounds like her symptoms are mostly located in the upper region of the body... What helps with cramps is keeping the body warm...I have cramps all over my body..but mostly in the feet and legs.. I call those days my two sock days.. I will wear two socks on one foot..and use a heated throw blacket..seems if there is a temp change i.e moving body outside the cozy blankets..my muscles cramps happen.

Also limiting my movement and activities helps..Wish not to pay the piper later on..

When the cramps happen at night...while sleeping..dang it lol it's time to rustle out of the comforter and hit the floor..to push my foot down so as to release the locking calf cramp. This happens every night...sometimes within minutes after the first episode.

What I started doing is taking pictures of the dystonic contortions of the hands and toes..with my cell phone..so I can show the docs... This has helped in their evaluation.

You know, I have a friend who was in a car accident and has three or four of her cervical vertebrates fused.. Your daughter's symptoms sound like my friends. My friend was a paramedic..well, she cant do this anymore. She has found an outlet that has helped her, get out and be active. She coordinates year round for this festival. This has given her purpose and drive.. I am happy for her... she says on the day of the event..she is pooped and has the staff drive her around in the golf cart. That's my friend. Love her sillyness.

My thoughts to you and your Daughter Lunacie.. one day at time...we can do what we are limted to do..and may our outlook and spirit remain strong and positive...even in the darkess of times. It does suck..their is no hidding that fact...but darn it..we must live and not just exist. I'm putting my foot down..with two socks on ;)

Hope

Lunacie

08-20-09, 03:11 PM

Isnt it amazing to find an answer..to something we sense is happening to us..its like a heavyweight being lifted off our shoulders.

Shucks with that free clinic being the way they were to you...and prolly to others as well. I hope there can be a resolution for your migraines. I hear the med Phenergan helps with migraines..I'm not a pharmicist, but do recall a family member taking it..It's for nausea..but somehow it helps her with migraines.

Yes thank goodness, the generic med price is within reason.

I found generic klonopin, adderal tap, and keppra to be very reasonable. Matter-of-fact. My RX medical plan for generics is 20 dollars..but these generics are like 10 to 15 dollars..This is good news.

I cant take adderal for the time being. So I'm relying on some coping mechs..this helps to a certain degree. oy lol

It is weird to watch the fasiculations..can be anoying to boot. Its when they turn into cramps that the pain starts. It reminds me of pop corn popping under the skin...

Yes the gripping power, is very limited. Now your daughter's symptoms stim from a cervical injury...Does she have stenosis/impingement on the spinal cord?

I can see why it would be hard to grip or even lift up arms, above the shoulders. I truely am sorry she is going through this.. she is in my thoughts!

My syndrome, from what the docs say is must likely from an antibody acting weird. Still being tested on this.

Still, weather BFS is from am injury or something else, its still a life altering event. I too wish your daughter peace and wellness Lunacie.

What I found that helps is using paper/plastic cups/plates..so when the grip is loose or contorts..I dont have to worry about dropping glass and hurting more... Does she find this helpful?

It sounds like her symptoms are mostly located in the upper region of the body... What helps with cramps is keeping the body warm...I have cramps all over my body..but mostly in the feet and legs.. I call those days my two sock days.. I will wear two socks on one foot..and use a heated throw blacket..seems if there is a temp change i.e moving body outside the cozy blankets..my muscles cramps happen.

Also limiting my movement and activities helps..Wish not to pay the piper later on..

When the cramps happen at night...while sleeping..dang it lol it's time to rustle out of the comforter and hit the floor..to push my foot down so as to release the locking calf cramp. This happens every night...sometimes within minutes after the first episode.

What I started doing is taking pictures of the dystonic contortions of the hands and toes..with my cell phone..so I can show the docs... This has helped in their evaluation.

You know, I have a friend who was in a car accident and has three or four of her cervical vertebrates fused.. Your daughter's symptoms sound like my friends. My friend was a paramedic..well, she cant do this anymore. She has found an outlet that has helped her, get out and be active. She coordinates year round for this festival. This has given her purpose and drive.. I am happy for her... she says on the day of the event..she is pooped and has the staff drive her around in the golf cart. That's my friend. Love her sillyness.

My thoughts to you and your Daughter Lunacie.. one day at time...we can do what we are limted to do..and may our outlook and spirit remain strong and positive...even in the darkess of times. It does suck..their is no hidding that fact...but darn it..we must live and not just exist. I'm putting my foot down..with two socks on ;)

Hope

The State Board of Healing Arts is sorting out the business with the low cost clinic, and the doctor who was so incredibly rude and insensitive - not to mention basically kicking me out because he apparently believed me to be a drug seeker. So I'm leaving that up to them and not dragging that emotional weight around.

I'm not sure the fascia under my daughter's skin does the popping thing, mostly just the ripples I think. But her shoulder was popping quite a bit for the first few years after the crash and that was really worrisome for her, as well as making the surrounding muscles sore from trying to hold everything in place.

Because she had never had x-rays or ct scans of her neck before the car crash, we'll never know for sure but it seems that she was born with a couple of the vertebrae in her neck fused together. And as a result of the car crash a couple more have become fused. I don't remember exactly how many vertebrae there are in the neck area, but because of the fusion she has less than half of what most people have.

Of course all of this makes the muscles and fascia twitch and contract all the way down that side of her body, causing the leg cramps and other aches and pains. I really don't know how she manages to keep going. But she has to work to take care of her children. She divorced her hubby because he could not manage money and she was tired of the money worries. He helps when he can but he has Parkinson's and works as an over-the-road trucker so he can't be relied on for help during the week (and lately not on the weekends either). I do as much as I can.

Yes, we use plastic plates for the most part. We also have some Knorks to help with cutting and eating and she finds them useful. The hardest part is working with the 7 year old who has many Autism and Anxiety issues. Fortunately she seems to be outgrowing the tendency to throw herself on the floor and have a meltdown in a restaurant or a store. My daughter is completely unable to simply pick the child up and walk out to the car with her. The little one is getting some therapy and has come quite a ways in the last 6 months.

It's been very interesting talking with you about your own experience with Fasciatis. I really hadn't encountered anyone else who is dealing with this.

Addr68

08-20-09, 07:34 PM

The State Board of Healing Arts is sorting out the business with the low cost clinic, and the doctor who was so incredibly rude and insensitive - not to mention basically kicking me out because he apparently believed me to be a drug seeker. So I'm leaving that up to them and not dragging that emotional weight around.

I'm not sure the fascia under my daughter's skin does the popping thing, mostly just the ripples I think. But her shoulder was popping quite a bit for the first few years after the crash and that was really worrisome for her, as well as making the surrounding muscles sore from trying to hold everything in place.

Because she had never had x-rays or ct scans of her neck before the car crash, we'll never know for sure but it seems that she was born with a couple of the vertebrae in her neck fused together. And as a result of the car crash a couple more have become fused. I don't remember exactly how many vertebrae there are in the neck area, but because of the fusion she has less than half of what most people have.

Of course all of this makes the muscles and fascia twitch and contract all the way down that side of her body, causing the leg cramps and other aches and pains. I really don't know how she manages to keep going. But she has to work to take care of her children. She divorced her hubby because he could not manage money and she was tired of the money worries. He helps when he can but he has Parkinson's and works as an over-the-road trucker so he can't be relied on for help during the week (and lately not on the weekends either). I do as much as I can.

Yes, we use plastic plates for the most part. We also have some Knorks to help with cutting and eating and she finds them useful. The hardest part is working with the 7 year old who has many Autism and Anxiety issues. Fortunately she seems to be outgrowing the tendency to throw herself on the floor and have a meltdown in a restaurant or a store. My daughter is completely unable to simply pick the child up and walk out to the car with her. The little one is getting some therapy and has come quite a ways in the last 6 months.

It's been very interesting talking with you about your own experience with Fasciatis. I really hadn't encountered anyone else who is dealing with this.

Hey there Lunacie, I am with you, theres no need to drag emotional weight around. Good! That the state Board is envolved. Nice call on that Lunacie.

I think the "rolling" of th emuscles your daughter has is the same as what I was sharing, "pop corn popping" Two different ways to describe this unnerving appearance under our skin. oy

I'm glad the alternative use of plastic and :knorks" are helpful. I've dropped so many dishes, yepppers plastic and paper for now on.

What you shared about your Daughter, shows she has character and a strong will. This is very admirable traits. It's when we are knock by life, what we have inside shows through.. I'm sure she also learned these qualities from you Lunacie :D I rejoyce with you!

Sounds like your daughter might have an impediment in the cervical area of the neck. I think there are 7 cervical vertebrae. Have they mentioned peripheral neuropathy? I say this because its not isolated to the nerves that root out of the neck area. As you said, she gets cramps in the lower extremities.

It is good that she has your support Luniace. My mama, has been helping me out as well. Though I have no kids, I can only comprehend a small part of adding this to the mix. A child of hers also has Autism and Anxiety issues..

May there be relief and peace through this.

I too, have enjoyed talking to you :) I think your the first for me as well, you has personal knowledge of Fasciatis.

One day at a time and hoping for the best Lunacie :)

Hope

Lunacie

08-20-09, 08:54 PM

ginniebean

08-20-09, 10:05 PM

Thank you ginniebean :)
Using an analogy of a carpetar, a carpetar is about to cut a plank of wood. He makes his cut marks..then begins to saw..along the way he notices he is way off his cut mark. But it wasnt noticable at first.

You're so welcome Addr and I do sincerely hope things turn out well for you. Excellent analogy because it does creep up over time and can easily just not get noticed until gah! it's very noticable. I also think it has to do with not knowing when or if it will end. We can be resliant thru a lot of pain if we know there is an end to it, when it drags on that resiliance can falter.

ginniebean, how did you overcome your Post Partum Depression? I think you have a fantastic spirit about you! ;)

What a sweet thing to say and thank you. I've been trying more and more to reach out to people personally on these boards because as much as I post I have been quite shy about making friends. It's so nice to know when someone thinks well of you, make it easier too for me to reach out.
I almost did a post on this last night.

At the time I was a very young mom and I had a whole lot of pain from my childhood so I scouted out a councellor and I lucked out. I actually ended up with three! My dearest friend now and we still keep in touch years later as well as a Jesuit priest who married a former Carmelite Nun. These three individuals opened a lot of doors for me and it was seven years well spent.

It wasn't until after I had been in councelling for about a year that I went for a session and told my friend that I felt something very strange, not unpleasant, but I couldn't put my finger on it. It took about a week but I can still remember calling her and saying I figured it out! I feel happy!

It took a few more months for me to twig into the idea of depression, but only because I thought depression must mean that you are sad and you cry a lot. I had no other frame of reference, when I was finally informed that depression doesn't always look like that but sometimes it's lethergy, lack of meaning and a general blah I was actually angry.

I was angry with so many who I felt had wronged me by making all sorts of character judgements, but then, I did too and goodness knows I was sure used to that.

Like the Greek heroes of old; when we feel wounded..we tend to descend into the depth of the earth..but will fight and raise once again into the light..ready and be rejuvenated. May our sails be trimmed to the good wind :)

You are so welcome. There certainly is something to that archetypology. When the goddess Persephone ascends from Hades and delights in the springtime flowers that is a perfect analogy to the lifting of depression. It's like life comes alive again after existing in a barren wasteland. The cool thing is that having once been in those depths, like the goddess you can descend at will to accompany another. Hades was known for its wealth and like it or not, descent definitely can be an enriching experience.

Addr68

08-21-09, 02:51 PM

Ah shoot, I forgot the link for knorks, they are really cool. They were invented by a college student here in Kansas for eating pizza.

Here's the linkie... (http://www.kshs.org/cool/knorks.htm) and they come in a plastic version as well. I've seen them at Walgreens (and at the salon where I work).

And I was just telling my daughter about this conversation over supper and she agrees that sometimes the nerves do 'pop' just under her skin. She says things had been better lately but today, as she was doing two completely different jobs, she jammed the same finger twice because it didn't bend with the other fingers. This is why she had to give up the job with scissors and other sharp things. Although actually doing really fine work like manicures was the most difficult.

Hey Lunacie, Thank you for that link to the Knorks! I think I might get me some. They look like they will do a perfect job... Thank you :)

I can understand why with her hands/fingers distorting and jaming..that her loved profession would be hazardous... Is she still doing the manicures? It would seem this would be less discomforting with contortions...

Yes lol the "pop" under the skin. This is bonding in a way to know of someone else experiencing the same symptoms...though I pray we both get by this and our quality of life improves..

Hope

Addr68

08-21-09, 03:40 PM

You're so welcome Addr and I do sincerely hope things turn out well for you. Excellent analogy because it does creep up over time and can easily just not get noticed until gah! it's very noticable. I also think it has to do with not knowing when or if it will end. We can be resliant thru a lot of pain if we know there is an end to it, when it drags on that resiliance can falter.

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What a sweet thing to say and thank you. I've been trying more and more to reach out to people personally on these boards because as much as I post I have been quite shy about making friends. It's so nice to know when someone thinks well of you, make it easier too for me to reach out.
I almost did a post on this last night.

At the time I was a very young mom and I had a whole lot of pain from my childhood so I scouted out a councellor and I lucked out. I actually ended up with three! My dearest friend now and we still keep in touch years later as well as a Jesuit priest who married a former Carmelite Nun. These three individuals opened a lot of doors for me and it was seven years well spent.

It wasn't until after I had been in councelling for about a year that I went for a session and told my friend that I felt something very strange, not unpleasant, but I couldn't put my finger on it. It took about a week but I can still remember calling her and saying I figured it out! I feel happy!

It took a few more months for me to twig into the idea of depression, but only because I thought depression must mean that you are sad and you cry a lot. I had no other frame of reference, when I was finally informed that depression doesn't always look like that but sometimes it's lethergy, lack of meaning and a general blah I was actually angry.

I was angry with so many who I felt had wronged me by making all sorts of character judgements, but then, I did too and goodness knows I was sure used to that.

You are so welcome. There certainly is something to that archetypology. When the goddess Persephone ascends from Hades and delights in the springtime flowers that is a perfect analogy to the lifting of depression. It's like life comes alive again after existing in a barren wasteland. The cool thing is that having once been in those depths, like the goddess you can descend at will to accompany another. Hades was known for its wealth and like it or not, descent definitely can be an enriching experience.

Hey ginniebean, thank you, I too, hope things turn for the better. This is just a page in life...The book is still being written. :)

I also think it has to do with not knowing when or if it will end. We can be resliant thru a lot of pain if we know there is an end to it, when it drags on that resiliance can falter.

Excellent point! Any type of depression is very subtle..and can hit anyone..O yes, the phyical pain..we notice and muddle through it...then..like a fog bank, rolling in ..so does depression... like something unwanted, unsolicated...as we are dealing with the coping of the physical pain,,as you said, "resiliance can falter" This only compounds the situation... oy lol

I love your comparison analogy of the wounded warrior/person.

Very visual and true. Sometimes decending into hades, we can draw strength from within.. i.e remembering what life was like in the sun.. in the presence of the "springtime flowers". Lovely.

Once we battle our way to the surface..we are stronger from this experience..and perhaps more aware of the signs that lead us to this depth we just ascended from.

Hades was known for its wealth and like it or not, descent definitely can be an enriching experience

This is very empowering ginniebean. I am with you 100% Aye, this definitley can be an enriching experience.

May our eyes be open to the barren wasteland.... This kinda reminds me of the movie, 'What Dreams May Come'. The Mother in this movie sunked deep into depression with every loss...I remember Robin Williams character in this movie..after accepting his own condition..fought tooth and nail..to free his wife and to save her.

His Son actor Cuba Gooding Jr was with him at the gate of hell and said, "I will fight this battle with you" (paraphrased). That look in his eyes, said more than those words.

This reminds me of our friends and family and even strangers, who will go to hell and back to help. What joy there is in knowing we are not alone.. Kinda of an eye opener...We are all connected not only by the six degrees of seperation, but by the human spirit. We only need to release our control, and wow what dreams may come (true).

ginniebean, thank you for touching me and others with your spirit.

My dearest friend now and we still keep in touch years later as well as a Jesuit priest who married a former Carmelite Nun. These three individuals opened a lot of doors for me and it was seven years well spent.

You are following the spirit/heart of compassion like these three individuals.. :)

A dear friend sent me a movie clip. In this clip..two friends were talking...One friend was telling the other, about a man who fell into a hole. Two people walked by this person in the hole. The person in the whole asked for help..The two people at differnet times..said a few words then walk on.

Then a third person walked by and the man in the hole again asked for help. This third person...without words..jumped in the hole with the other guy. This man in the hole said, why did you do that? now your stuck in here as well." The third man said, "yes, but I been here before and I know the way out."

This speaks volumes of action and over words alone and someone who has been there..reaching out to help another person...I think, we could write many replys on this act of compassion. Amen!

I have this clip in my pm box. with permission from the friend who sent it to me..I will post it in this thread.

Hope, love and the giving of a caring heart...priceless :)

Turbochica

08-21-09, 03:55 PM

Wow what an amazing thread.
I am almost without words to express to those here who have shared part of their lives. Thanks to each of you. Thanks for opening up like you all have. WOW

Situational depression, yes I have experienced that I am sure. Two situations come to the fore front, well three.
The first one was when I had a miscarriage. That with all those hormones. I was very emotional at the time and LOL enjoyed watching the movie Titanic and having an amazing emotion ride that made the movie real intense - it was a great experience
A few months later I did get pregnant with my fourth and that was a joyous time :)
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The second time was when I was in nursing school. My life was totally stressed. I was going to school full time, working part time and with a family and my youngest having some learning issues at school. I felt like I was on a merry go round and wanted to get off it was all spinning to fast. Well. I ended up failing a course and was out of school and totally burnt out. I had nothing left to give. I was supposed to graduate that spring and felt I had let my family down by not doing that. I worked random shifts for an agency and then worked fulltime second shift, which gave me time to recoop from the burn out.

Most recently, when I lost my job last spring, that hit hard too. But honestly, the stress level with that job was high that maybe it was divine intervention to remove me from that situation.

These three are major shifts from what I thought was going to happen causing me to head in a completely different direction then I expected to go in. They all took the wind out of my sails- so to speak - and left me wondering what to do next.

This is a cursory glance overview and I think I will post this now.

Addr68

08-21-09, 04:16 PM

Addr68

08-21-09, 10:01 PM

Here is the vid I mention above...

My friend who shared this vid with me, mention:

"It speaks to the simple reality of how friends help one another through difficult times. (Josh has just spoken to a psychiatrist and has come out of denial about dealing with PTSD - but it's Leo's little story that says it all)"

Here is the vid....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJ6yqQRAQs&feature=player_embedded

Turbochica

08-22-09, 08:01 PM

My dear Friend ADDR68

Thanks for your encouraging words and comments.
Thanks for being a friend
Thanks for being you
Thanks for the blessing you are to me and others here in this thread.
Thanks for sharing your life
Thanks, my friend

Turbochica

08-23-09, 08:17 PM

Don't you cry by Kamelot
What a wonderful song and yes, very soothing and peaceful. Thanks for posting this :)

Addr68

08-23-09, 10:38 PM

Don't you cry by Kamelot
What a wonderful song and yes, very soothing and peaceful. Thanks for posting this :)

Thank you tchica :) That song speaks from deep within...and leaves a peceful easy feeling. I glad you like it.

Turbochica

08-24-09, 03:58 PM

Addr68

08-25-09, 05:56 PM

I found this link. I thought might be worth sharing here since it shares
the symptoms that can be experienced with situational depression.

http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_publications_trauma
here is the link
I also will cut and past some of the content here too

What you might feel

Though everyone is affected differently at different times, you may experience:

Numbness, inability to experience feelings, feelings of disconnectedness
Changing emotions such as shock, denial, guilt or self-blame
Extreme sadness, crying
Mood changes such as irritability, anxiousness, nervousness, pessimism or indifference
Inability to concentrate
Recurring memories or bad dreams about the event
Social withdrawal, isolation, strained personal relationships
Physical symptoms such as unexplained aches and pains, nausea, fatigue, loss of energy
Changes in eating habits or sleeping patterns
Increased consumption of alcohol

These feelings, a normal part of grieving and recovering from any trauma, are also symptoms
of situational or reactive depression. If these feelings persist for more than two weeks or begin
to interfere with your daily living, if you are abusing alcohol or illegal drugs, or if you have
thoughts of death or suicide, they are symptoms of a more serious episode of depression.
This is a heightened reaction to an abnormal situation, not a character flaw or sign
of personal weakness.

I thought this general information would be good to post here. to read the entire article go to the link.

I especially liked the statement at the bottom of the text which says:

This is a heightened reaction to an abnormal situation, not a character flaw or sign of personal weakness.

tChica, what a great article! Thank you for posting it; very good points in this article. You have hit a good view point on Situational Depression with:

This is a heightened reaction to an abnormal situation, not a character flaw or sign of personal weakness.

Life altering events hit us from out of now where. Hence the word "altering". Boy O' boy does it alter i.e mood...routine...etc... Just when you feel you have a grip on things, bam..you get smacked with situational depression. ginniebean touched on this in her post above.

Like you quoted, its not a character flaw or a sign of personal weakness. May that also be said to all types of depression i.e clinical, situational etc...

I also saw in that article you posted something that hit home for me:

Keep to your daily routine. Even if you don’t feel like it, do your best to eat balanced meals and get plenty of rest.

Yeppers, bulls eye on that one.

I've let my daily routine get out of wack. I wake up and before I know it, the sun is setting. Its basically get up..chat...play my pc games...then hit the couch for naps...(meds naps)

Being out of the work force, has change my routine radically.. i.e getting up every day at a certain time.....same with going to bed and we can fill in the "in betweens."

I see my family about once a week..I drive over there, when I can. My former job is around the corner from where I live..So from time to time, I drop in for a visit. I really dont get many visitors... I'm not sure if I have subconsciously isolated myself, or people don't like seeing others done for the count. Either way.. I have a better appreciation for others who may be limited and challenged by life altering events.

I posted a while ago on a thread about being lonely. I remember writing something along the lines of: "being lonely does not mean opening the door to despair"...Despair knocks taps...I have been tempted many times to open that door. But I'm choosing not to do this. That is not the company I wish to have ;) Amen.

I hold onto hope and I'm confident things will get better! That goes for all of us..Each of us are on a journey..We will have good days and the other days...But the sun still shines above the grey clouds :)

But you know what, even though there may be physical limits on what I can do...Perhaps I can leave my appartment and sit on the porch..start writing again, and *gasp* renew my once love for drawing.

Does anybody else with limitations that have altered your daily routine, find anything to pass the day that is constructive..."The in between" parts of the day?

tChica, you have been most instrumental to me in soo many ways. A lot of you guys/gals have. "We few, we band of brothers..."

Thank you all for the chats, phone calls, research..vid fest nights :D These mentioned are engaging and help with the isolation...but above all..yes above all..we are dear friends..we are family!

The chats, phone calls vid fest and research we do together, is done out of love comradery and the friendships we have with eachother.

One for all and all for one! Amen. :)

Turbochica

08-25-09, 06:15 PM

tChica, what a great article! Thank you for posting it; very good points in this article. You have hit a good view point on Situational Depression with:

Life altering events hit us from out of now where. Hence the word "altering". Boy O' boy does it alter i.e mood...routine...etc... Just when you feel you have a grip on things, bam..you get smacked with situational depression. ginniebean touched on this in her post above.

Like you quoted, its not a character flaw or a sign of personal weakness. May that also be said to all types of depression i.e clinical, situational etc...

I also saw in that article you posted something that hit home for me:

Yeppers, bulls eye on that one.

I've let my daily routine get out of wack. I wake up and before I know it, the sun is setting. Its basically get up..chat...play my pc games...then hit the couch for naps...(meds naps)

Being out of the work force, has change my routine radically.. i.e getting up every day at a certain time.....same with going to bed and we can fill in the "in betweens."

I too , am out of the work force except for a sporadic shift here and there when the agency calls me and yes that has changed my routines more then I care to admit. That's one of my goals when i get back to create a good routine and stick by it.
I have a love/hate relationship with routine but that's usually when I am trying to get back into more then anything. But really routine is good for me.

But you know what, even though there may be physical limits on what I can do...Perhaps I can leave my apartment and sit on the porch..start writing again, and *gasp* renew my once love for drawing.

I think those are great ideas! and very attainable ones that could potentially be VERY rewarding :)

Does anybody else with limitations that have altered your daily routine, find anything to pass the day that is constructive..."The in between" parts of the day?

good question :)

tChica, you have been most instrumental to me in soo many ways. A lot of you guys/gals have. "We few, we band of brothers..."

Thank you all for the chats, phone calls, research..vid fest nights :D These mentioned are engaging and help with the isolation...but above all..yes above all..we are dear friends..we are family!

The chats, phone calls vid fest and research we do together, is done out of love comradery and the friendships we have with eachother.

I agree we do have each other to band together and draw encouragement from, to found friendship, share laughs and tears.a safe harbor to dock in during the storms of life indeed.

One for all and all for one! Amen. :)

Amen and Amen!

SkepticSeraph

08-28-09, 10:44 AM

Turbochica

08-28-09, 11:31 AM

Welcome to the Forums ! I found the forums to be a great place to hang out, make new friends and get information that has helped me in many ways deal with life and my ADD.

you have been through alot:
no mom - ouch
absentee father basically - ouch again
leaving your friends and moving- tough indeed to lose these connections
a new school - and a different one prolly then you would pick
ridicule from classmates ( yes ignorant indeed)
and sophmore year (that was my personal worst year in high school):eek:

That is a huge amount of changes, and critical ones for you for anyone to process and adjust to. Thanks for sharing all this with us here. MY heart goes out to you during this time.

you said your depression starts with all this? is this your current situation right now? just checking I was not sure.

no wonder you feel as you say "rock hard and sealed unable to express emotion"

but at least your honest about where you are and see the issues that caused this... that's good indeed.

do you still have contact with your old friends, by phone email etc....?

My situational depression starts with growing up wuthout a mom and a father who is never home, hes worying about himself and paying little attention to the obvious fact of a hinderounce in attitude. I had to move to a new state and leave all my friends away. Arriving in wisconsin im enrolled in a catholic school were as to I am an agnostic who denounces christianity but with a good reason and argument, i get much ridecule from extremely ignorant classmates, sophmore year in high school rolls around, i begin my drug use.

As of now im rock hard and sealed almost unable to express emotion.

Addr68

08-28-09, 12:49 PM

My situational depression starts with growing up wuthout a mom and a father who is never home, hes worying about himself and paying little attention to the obvious fact of a hinderounce in attitude. I had to move to a new state and leave all my friends away. Arriving in wisconsin im enrolled in a catholic school were as to I am an agnostic who denounces christianity but with a good reason and argument, i get much ridecule from extremely ignorant classmates, sophmore year in high school rolls around, i begin my drug use.

As of now im rock hard and sealed almost unable to express emotion.

Hi SkepticSeraph, thank you for sharing your story and how this lead to your situational depression. I'm my case, I grew up without a father. I did have my mum and sister (still do)

My mum did the best she could do raising us. She only had a HS diploma. She work and came home to tend to us. I was becoming a "big boy" without a dad. So I turned to the streets..There was good and bad in it. Like anything in life.

If I'm hearing you correctly (pls correct me) as I grew up without a father, you had a father only. Your father worried alot and had an attitude that wasnt "pleasent"

More destructive in building loving relationship with you, where you I and others, would desire a constructive loving relationship, that fosters peace and security, wrapped in knowing we are loved and accepted. Not rejected.

Would that be accurate SkepticSeraph? You know, events in life, that alter our thinking and way of perceiving the world around us...they can come out of no where or sometimes we can see it unfold infront of us in bits even in chunks. This does bite big time!

Now its, what do we do. Do we allow our situation dominate over us? Or do we do the best we can do, to rise above it! :)

I like the idea of rising above it. Challenging? Yes. Takes time? Yes. Doable? Absolutley yes!

You mention another life altering event:

I had to move to a new state and leave all my friends away

I really hope the best with this new beginning, that this will be a new horizon to venture on. Though your ol' friends are in another state...The good friends will be with you..still. Even in another state...Its not the same as hoping in the car and hanging out "Johnny on the spot"...good friends will remain.

I do hope that this page in your life is marked with budding new friendships and hope be in your heart always.

You know, At the age of 18 yrs old, my stepdad, kicked me out of the house, on my bithday no less! My birthday present was a bus ticket to take me out west. Been there SkepticSeraph, just a different state and for other reasons. ;)

I think there are many among us here on the forums, our fellow members can relate to our story, one way or another. You and I are not alone. Though at times, we can feel alone. I've felt that way..

Man o man, life sure does throw us...all....curve balls at times..sometimes we just want to scream and go after the pitcher.. I've even kick around the dirt. oy lol It helped me to express myself...but looking back at it now, I was just kicking up dust. Made my situation worse.

So now facing a long and daunting illness, that has altered my way of life..I am faced with yet another challenge. Do I give in to despair and give up any hope? Or do I see this time as an oppurtunity?

Know what I found, I'm choosing to make this an oppurtunity and hoping for the best!

SkepticSeraph, thank you for sharing your life's journey and how this journey has brought on your situation. I do wish the best outcome for you and the best horizons for you to explore and move towards.

The very best to you :) Bry

Hope

SkepticSeraph

08-28-09, 02:04 PM

Yea that pretty much sums up my parental situation, my father trying to do the best thing for me when he overlooks the important things.

Sucks to hear your step dad kicked you out, ive been through a few of those, but never to that magnitude.

When i say "Rock Hard" and "Sealed" i mean no emotion shown, bottling up, morbidity doesn't bother me, ECT...

I moved to Wisconsin from California 2 years ago and im over the loss of my friends, all the initial shock is gone and im fine.

So thankyou and goodluck gentlemen.

Addr68

08-28-09, 02:18 PM

Thank you SkepticSeraph :)

One day a time....

I happy to hear you have moved on passed the loss of the old friends...

When you say:

When i say "Rock Hard" and "Sealed" i mean no emotion shown, bottling up, morbidity doesn't bother me, ECT...

Does that mean, 'capping your emtions" or as a friend once told me.."to thick'n you skin"?

I've tried that in the past..but I'm transparent..I think its good to be transparent in a way..but it does have it's drawbacks.. Those that matter dont mind... There is a quote on that somewhere. I will look it up later.

I have been numb in my emotions for a while, yet I do my best to remain who I am.

"to thine own self be true..." Good ol William Shakesphere wrote.

I try to live by that, even going thru this phase in my life.

Thank you again SkepticSeraph for sharing your story with us. I and others really do appreciate you and what you shared this day :)

We will make it. I believe this. ;)

Bry

Hope

Turbochica

08-29-09, 12:58 AM

Lunacie

08-29-09, 02:31 PM

Addr68

08-29-09, 03:07 PM

I have been away for the past 10 days from home. The first three were spent bringing my son to college and the rest of the days visitng my brothers and their wives. It has been a good time to see family and spend time with them and now it's time to go home.

I am really missing my family and can't wait to get home to be with them but in little ways I am reminded that things will be different without my son there. Talking on the phone to my hubby and instead of saying the guys ( universal term for guys and gals in my mind) i said the girls will be in school.... have NEVER said it that way before.

It will be different having the girls and not my son there. I know all will be fine and I will adjust to this. I am truly happy for him and the WONDERFUL college he is going to and awesome experiences that he will have. but and mindful that this is a big change too.

but for now, I am sad and *tears* but thats okay . that's all part of the letting go process and living out a new chapter in all our lives.

I just had to write it down here
thanks for reading this

Thank you tChica my friend for sharing and opening your heart and thoughts up with what's going on and how you are feeling about it.

Change is definitely a paradigm shift in the norms we are soo use to.

tChica, I have no kids, but I recall my mama taking me to college...walking the campus with me, exploring this new adventure with me. I saw the smile on her face; filled with a mixture tears of joy and tears of change..Her boy she will see on breaks, but not the same....

I know for a fact, as we are dear friends, that you are an exceptional remarkable person! :) I have full faith in your abilty to overcome anything.

My dear friend during this time of change with your Son going off to college and your other Children starting back to school.. you have our ears, our hearts. You are surronded at home and here with support thru this transition ;)

Perhaps there is someone who reads this post of yours, who has gone thru this transition? Or perhaps are going thru it. Anybody going thru this that can share your experience? :D

I found a few links that share storys on parents with kids in college...

"Coping With Empty-Nest Syndrome"
Article from the college bound network.

"My mind did flashbacks of when he was a small child: I remembered the time he brought home posters he had painted for her in the third grade, each one loudly proclaiming "I Love You"; and the time he handed her a birthday card addressed to "My Best Heart." "

http://www.collegebound.net/content/article/coping-with-empty-nest-syndrome/1223/

"Wisdom for Mothers"

"....All my children know that I will always be here for them forever. I will never be alone, because I will always have the love and appreciation of my kids. I am very proud of them and I am also very proud of the job I did raising them. -- Carolyn "

http://www.momsrefuge.com/wisdom/empty_nest/index.html

We are here with you tchica :)

Bry

Hope

Turbochica

08-30-09, 12:02 PM

Thanks for the much needed encouragement my friend :)
Thanks to all my friends here too so glad ot have the Forums
too have met you all and thankful for the wonderful community here!

We are here with you tchica :)

Bry

Hope

Addr68

08-31-09, 07:11 PM

I was just listening to one of my fav bands, Epica. Found this vid called, "Solitary Ground"

Vid has reflective lyrics to go with a smooth tune :cool:

May we find our "solitary ground" :)

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R.B

08-31-09, 08:17 PM

what a great message.As an addict seeking higher ground it is good.Thanks.

Addr68

08-31-09, 08:44 PM

what a great message.As an addict seeking higher ground it is good.Thanks.

Thank you R.B :) I do appreciate your comment. I agree with you 100%. Are we not "blessed" to have found this community.

Myself, I have been help on many levels through the good and bad times, by our fellow members.

I hope. What a word, "hope" Our story's may be different or simular, but Hope is a harbor, we can cast our anchor too; as we mend our sails and tar our riggs...and do our best to look forward to the new day and the horizon we all seek.

Hope.

Thanks R.B

Bry

Addr68

09-11-09, 03:12 PM

I found several vid's of Muscle Fasciculations...

This is not my leg nor vid...but it gives some insight into what the Muscle Fasciculations look like. They are more annoying..until they turn into cramps.

Does anybody experience this?

This vid shows a mild form of the Muscle Fasciculations..

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DesertDave

10-06-09, 01:02 AM

Thanks for the supportive words. I've been lax about checking in here lately and I apologize for that.

The pdoc gave me a bunch of "forms" to fill out to evaluate which else might be going on. I hadn't planned on exploring a bunch of other things, so I hope this gives her whatever insight she needs.

As is common with us, I'm not real patient with this waiting and trying this & that just to "see what happens" stuff. I'd hope it might be a little more scientific than spin the bottle. lol

Oh well.

river09

10-06-09, 02:40 AM

Hey all, thought I'd jump in if thats ok. I think about the viscious circle of situational depression. After many years of being depressed, with a month here or there every year where I feel better(in those times I get really anxious thinking I need to go out and socialize, and since I've learned to socialize through alcohol, I will drink to much, make bad decisions, and get depressed or disappointed in myself. Then my depression hits again, and I don't care too much about my appearance or leaving my house very often. I beat myself up thinking I should be able to control my emotions, buck up and get things done, or just question why I am incapable of being happy. I let not only the future, past present worry me, but I am very empathetic toward worldly issues or childabuse stories....really anything on the news or that I hear about or movies just really can get to me. Sometimes I can't take it that their are children out there suffering, cold, hungry, being abused or what not. I get paranoid about this happening to my kiddos and its too much. Its like I have to much empathy or compassion that its better if I never get involved. It would be hard to be a social worker and see this daily.
So back to the viscious cycle of is my depression causing more dissappointments in my life leading me to more depression, is it my circumstances causing depression causing chronic back pain. I know its all connected, but how do you end the cycle. I know our brain just gets use to working a certain way, so it keeps generating depression, but I've heard that to change the cycle you may even have to fake it for a while. I am not good at this. I want to be real, but real shouldn't include never-ending sadness. I know why I should be happy; I even kow what I could do to increase happiness, but its like I'm chained to this horrid brick wall of evil and I know the chains are an illusion, but I let them keep me there. Maybe I'm scared to discover joy in my life, cause its not circumstances that should lead to pure contentment, but finding a way to forgive myself, to love myself, to realize that I am not in control, realizing that struggle is part of the game and if I embrace it, learn from it, let it go, and just be...then that is the first step.
What do I seek...I seek God to guide me, I seek protection for my kids, I seek someone to love every part of me, even the little quirkiness. I seek the courage to let someone love me. I seek to be a mom my kids will be proud of, I seek self-discipline, simplicity, and willingness to give of myself in whatever capacity is needed. I seek to let go of my own fears, anger, repressed memories,and selfish indulgence that seems to be the "norm" in america....to laugh uncontrollably, sing and dance in the streets, and for my sad eyes or anxious countinance to dissipate in the warm winds of change.
Is that too much to ask?
sorry...wasn't planning on going off like that

Addr68

10-06-09, 11:41 PM

I'd hope it might be a little more scientific than spin the bottle. lol Oh well.

I agree 100000000% lol and wishing for the best outcome my friend ;)

Infinity

10-16-09, 08:45 PM

:)

Hi Bry,

Situational depression...

Yes I guess I have it or was in it and I can return to it. It seems to come upon me when Im alone with my thoughts and look over my life past and present.

I could only read a couple of posts. Bry . Your a very good writer.

I'm only one day a way from returning to work ... so ...:o will return here after .

Taking a vacation from thinking about it helps as long as there is no physical pain as a reminder or other trigger thoughts or reminders.

I have more to share but not right now.

Make the most of sunny days. ;) Or dang it ! force them to be sunny ...

Infinity

Infinity

10-21-09, 02:29 PM

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h274/auroralso/feeding4.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h274/auroralso/feeding6.jpg

I believe they call this situational happiness. Usually only experienced during ages 2 through 5.:D

Notice the mittens

Now this one I think was probably done by a four year old ...:p

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h274/auroralso/PA172823.jpg

Infinity

10-23-09, 10:21 PM

Hi Bry,

Situational depression, brought on by....

I like to hear your story's that have brought on a situational depression.

I'll start by sharing mine...

I have been seeing many neurologist since last December. There is something wrong with my motor neurons. I have been out of work since December and the isolation, being tested for some really serious neuro/muscular diseases/disorders, has but me into a situational depression.

If you were NOT experiencing situational depression I'd be concerned about your mental state. ;)

The docs are still testing me.

I have let the waiting "game" affect me... It's been a long journey.

How could it not affect you?

You are doing marvelous . I don't belive I could do what you are doing Bry.

Questions?

Is anyone else going through this type of depression?

I belive I have most of my life had this kind of depression off and on . Lifes situations bashing at the hull of my ship and slicing my sails .

They are my life events and they are losses of various kinds . I can't list them all . I do not wish to.. I have done lots of that already .

I have always been physically fine . Blessed with great health. About five years ago I had a eye condition they were watching that about three years ago became more prevelant .

They said they didn't know what it was but it could lead to blindness.

They think its central serous retinopathy .thats now halted. heres that word "Serous" that keeps appearing . This morning as I was driving to my therapy appointment, flashing lights { like a camera thats clicking the flash shutter trying to focus finally) was taking over my left eye as I was driving . thats the eye that has it. :(

So I had to go see the eye doc today . Luckily they did not see any thing that could have been retina detachment . But I have to wait and see if it happens again.
The doc said it could have been my eye having a migrane .

LOL! new condition for me .
Well I thought of you and your muscle spasam video ,and for a beirf while I expereinced

fear of my body doing something I could not stop . And it was not "fun"

It was brief . Nothing like what you are expereincing .

I also had that fear the day I got the phone call that I had cancer .The end of June .

Five days later I was in surgery and three days after I got home from surgery my little precious canine girl died and I buried her myself.

I howled like an animal that night .

and I do not care It's okay I did that .

I have on a couple occations since the first howling episode felt my chest wall crack open from grief .

Thats okay too, Its part of MY journey and Im sharing it with you.
I do not care if anyone judges me .

or if people think I may have to much self pity
or that My situation is not as bad as some .
I do not have to be ..

"strong" for anyone.

Does anybody else here have Benign Cramp Fasciculation Syndrome?

No I do not . But I have over the past several weeks had muscle weakness that I have not had prior to my surgery and leg cramps .

and leg cramps make me feel powerless. Like I have to just hold on and hope they pass.And they really hurt.

I can just " monentairly" imaginge what you go through each day,

There are 4 stages to this Syndrome.

Anybody have another stage of this Benign Syndrome?

How has it affected your daily routine?

No Bry , I haven't experienced these stages.

I do know how testing and appointments and needing to take more time for care of myself effects my routine that really has not been very "routine" for some time now . ADHD life of forgeting finding and sidetracking you know what I mean.

Its still non routine . Im getting used to it. I try to take books, tapes and knitting with me to my appointments to keep me occupied .

Men don't knit much. :rolleyes:

Prior to my cancer and dog dying I was also struggling with a cruel closure from a Male friend

and that has compounded . my situation . I'm hurting and Im angry and I feel somewhat powerless.

my heart can't take much more.

Its where I am though. and I'm hoping no more bad news will come my way. or any of my fellow women in my same situation or anyone for that matter .

And that is my HOPE for you too.

No more negative news.

I do feel like Isolating quite a bit .

I am having a difficult time returning to my 12 step metings

to much a reminder of my male friend . I feel like never goig back and renouncing the program .
thats my emotional pain speacking. my need to control it.

I read the links you posted, I listened to your song , I watched the video clip .

The song is beautiful .

and I sense you have lost a few important people in your life . I think its not unusual to revist these losses .

Your family must be very proud of who you are.

I have found a few things that help.. I love to hear from others. :)

what are some of the things I am doing with hopes it will make a difference in my situation.

I began changing my diet and looking into antioxiadants and I noticed a few in the group you linked are doing that too.

I juice every day now

I am back on caffine ..ARGH! I stopped for a good while.

I want to go off again.

I drink mostlt green tea each day I fix a container full
I use herbs and gater my own . it takes time . but its enjoyable.

I take supliments /vitamins

i drink no alchohol or use any drugs unless I have to.
I listen to mindful ness tapes
I listen to music
I try to get outside my self
I take very long showeres and bathes.
Im trying to let go of anger

Im working through it.

I pray quite a bit .

I try to be discerning about drugs and what is good for me or not.
Im trying to look at what things I can do that give me a sense of accomplishment that I can still do or used to do.

I am trying to figure out how to be closer to others in real life.

I try to listen to my body.

I hope you are getting lots of hugs

massages and have a great physical therapist .

I haven;t figured out how to do that yet for myself .

I had some hopes that were completely dashed

I beleve in visualization for healing

I wish I had another dog .

I take lots of time to be with animals and they appreciate it quite a bit the touching. And I benifit as well.

I read years ago where an MS patient swam in a temp controled pool .

The cold water helped combat the heating of the myline sheath .

Thats all I have to offer in my limited knowledge .
for right now .

Looking for folks dealing with situational depression with one of the Benign Syndromes...but open of course from hearing from others dealing with "situational depression" brought on sudden life altering changes...be it medical, family, job etc...

Here is nice short article :)
'Situational Depression Brought On By Life':

http://www.articlesbase.com/health-articles/situational-depression-brought-on-by-life-62752.html

Thank you. May we all get through this. May we hang onto hope and not give up.

Thank you for sharing it . It helped me see that this is the kind of depression I have had and have .

And in your process you are so present for others here in your thread .
You are special...

Thank you for sharing and telling me about this thread.

Infinity~

Lunacie

10-24-09, 09:46 AM

Infinity, thanks for sharing about your situation.

Thought I'd update on my own situation. My daughter got tired of my pain and depression and checked with the clinic of Chinese medicine.

After a few treatments I opened my internet connection one morning to see an article from the Mayo clinic about fibromyalgia and I had an insight. I had been thinking that because I wasn't experiencing the all-over achey/bruised feeling that my FM was in remission. Not so. It's just that the other symptoms have been more common in the last year. The Irritable Bladder Syndrome and the Headaches - so now the doctor is treating my FM with accupuncture and still addressing the headaches as they are the primary symptom.

My daughter started going along with me and we sit there together with tiny needles sticking out of our ears and hands and feet. *laughs* I think it's helping. My daughter says I don't seem as depressed to her, but when I tried to attend a graduation ceremony (nursing school) last weekend I experienced a severe anxiety attack and turned around and came back home.

I very much dread crowd situations where I may be exposed to perfume or aftershave - got stuck sitting next to a woman drenched in perfume at my granddaughter's music concert last week. Fortunately my granddaughter's class was second in the program and I could leave after her part was over. Unfortunately I missed the rest of the concert and the high school was rockin'. I can't even go to most doctor's or dentist's offices because they often have scented candles burning. Fortunately the Chinese clinic doesn't do that. When one is afraid to go places because of exposure to serious allergens, one tends to stay home and feel sorry for oneself, eh?

Infinity

10-26-09, 09:57 PM

After a few treatments I opened my internet connection one morning to see an article from the Mayo clinic about fibromyalgia and I had an insight. I had been thinking that because I wasn't experiencing the all-over achey/bruised feeling that my FM was in remission. Not so. It's just that the other symptoms have been more common in the last year. The Irritable Bladder Syndrome and the Headaches - so now the doctor is treating my FM with accupuncture and still addressing the headaches as they are the primary symptom.

Some of my pain I am having is blader related . Supposedly from surgery. For the firat time Im having some irritable bowel stuff. It could be stress related . It could be the change in diet or both.
No hedaches thank goodness. I have had a few migrains in the past . They are really scary.

My daughter started going along with me and we sit there together with tiny needles sticking out of our ears and hands and feet. *laughs*

I can sorta visualize this from what Ive seen in movies .
LOL LOL OLLOO LLLL

those needles are so long and they quiver ..LOL!

I have never had accupuncture . Maybe I should give it a try.

I do hope it helps. :)

After I did my post . I managed to go to the bath room and went home to pack to have another possibly sunny weekend at the beach.

I could not find my cd player and gave u thinking it was lost in my apartment some where.

I got to the beach and a smal voice said . Maybe you left that bag with my checks from my clients and other important stuff at Paneras.

so I went to panersa and they helped me call and indeed I did leave my bagthere .. they kept it safe for me

I almost drove back home . Fron parking my truck to using the phone in paneras and ..

using the bath room...

I lost my keys! I combed through everything in my truck twice . went to all the stores to see if they turned in my keys . went to the pilice station . bugged the paners frout times asking if they found them .

My therapist had told me the university denied my asking for ADHD testing Friday morning .
I have no where to turn for help.

I had a small car accident going home Sunday night.
i spent alot of the wekend crying .

I lost my keys unloading my truck sundau night. .

the keys I lost out of town had the only key to my shed that has my winter clothes . I had tried three palces to get keys cut last week. they didn't have the key blank and with out a visual reminder of the key I forget .

I went to my doctor today to try one last time to see why Im being denied help.
It because I confronted a doctor there for labeling me abusively several years ago and she is the head of phychiatry.

I have big trust issues because of her treatment and she doesnt even remember who I am. But I remeber it all. every detail.

I was standing up for what was real abuse.when I reported it .
I was brushed off .

Im angry and feeling hopeless. I need help and I can't get it ..

Infinity~

Lunacie

10-27-09, 09:22 AM

My goodness, if anyone has a reason to be depressed, all that would do it. I'm glad you were able to track down all those checks and things. Did you find your cd player too?

My daughter may have mild ADHD - she has a terrible time keeping track of her keys and her cell phone. And a terrible time keeping it charged too. We've been very busy with the youngest granddaughter (she has Autism, ADHD, and Anxiety) and my daughter has chronic pain from a car crash and from fibromyalgia, so it's no wonder she's stressed and has trouble remembering things. Stress is one of the biggies in being able to focus and remember - and the more people would complain because I couldn't remember the more stressed it made me. So I never bug my daughter when she has trouble remembering things.

Infinity

11-03-09, 09:53 PM

My goodness, if anyone has a reason to be depressed, all that would do it. I'm glad you were able to track down all those checks and things. Did you find your cd player too?

They were all safe and sound . The people at Paneras are great!

Ive repalced the lock on the shed git a new PO box key and made an Id tag for my one key set .

Yesterday I left a rake at a clients after letting her grandson borrow mine. He has ADHD certified . we both had head phones on .. LOL I even told myself not to forget to pick it up .

I think I need to do things imediately or else suffer the consequenses.
all it takes is a walk to my truck and all is forgotten .

My client let me know I left the water runing last time I was there . They are on a well. Not good.

At this point Im leting my therapist do all the contact work for me regarding my not being able to be seen by the phych department.. I did nothing that warrants this treatment In my opnion. I just confronted abuseive labeling treatment of a doctor to a patient . It's the fact, its the truth and it took me many years to do it.

.My therapist is a God send. Shes making all the follow up calls If I think they wil distress me . Shes asking for records .Im signing releases for her to call in my behalf. Im even letting her pre read any mail I think may be real negative .
I trust her completely.

I haven't had anyone do anything like this for me ever . This is new for me .

.as chronic pain from a car crash and from fibromyalgia, so it's no wonder she's stressed and has trouble remembering things. Stress is one of the biggies in being able to focus and remember - and the more people would complain because I couldn't remember the more stressed it made me. So I never bug my daughter when she has trouble remembering things.

I just read about your daughter . She sounds like a warrior . car crash , spine damage . autistic child and a hubby with Parkinsons?

my concerns are a walk in the park. Why is it that some people get things in spades ?

I do know one solution to my not getting help with the ADHD,

Just keep doing what I did befor

just continue to live with it and want nothing from the doctors .
they don;t know what to do with that .

Diagnosises like Fibro and chronic fatigue have been hard to prove and are not always considered valid conditions .

Its very frustrating to suffer and not have the solutions . Ive been there in my life before where I could not get better and nothing the doctors could do either .

thats where prayer must have done something , because I changed and got better.

Im rambling ..
and Paneras is closing ..

now befor I go . I was goggling to find a group that knitted scarves or shawls for Uterine cancer survivors to share with a woman in my group who made her own . and I found this .

put down your coffee first. ;)

http://thesisterproject.com/roach/knitting-up-a-womb/

Infinity~

Lunacie

11-04-09, 11:15 AM

Knitting up a womb? Hilarious. Guess I'm lucky I still have mine, even if its all worn out now.

Yeah, me too, if I don't do things as soon as I think of them I generally forget to do them at all.

What a wonderful therapist to help you that way. Hope she can get you what you need.

Turbochica

11-04-09, 11:21 AM

Yyes that is quite funny indeed and I too hope that you get good support and help from the Therapist too Infinity

Knitting up a womb? Hilarious. Guess I'm lucky I still have mine, even if its all worn out now.

Yeah, me too, if I don't do things as soon as I think of them I generally forget to do them at all.

What a wonderful therapist to help you that way. Hope she can get you what you need.

ginniebean

11-04-09, 06:14 PM

ginniebean, how did you overcome your Post Partum Depression? I think you have a fantastic spirit about you! ;)

Thank you for sharing..and thank you for your well wishes.

Like the Greek heroes of old; when we feel wounded..we tend to descend into the depth of the earth..but will fight and raise once again into the light..ready and be rejuvenated. May our sails be trimmed to the good wind :)

Thank you :)

bry

Well thank you! How nice of you. :) I went to therapy and it was kinda funny, I was anxious one day and mentioned, I'm feeling something wierd, and then I realised I felt good. I'd forgotten what it felt like.

It always seems like an abduction-- the Hero's journey is voluntary. It's worth it. ;)

Infinity

11-12-09, 03:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0MdRyrpB5k

Turbochica

11-12-09, 04:35 PM

Thanks for postign this song. I do enjoy this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0MdRyrpB5k

musicpainter

11-23-09, 01:39 PM

I have been told by a few different doctors and therapists that my depression is brought on by "catastrophic events in my life".

I've had different periods caused by different things, death in family(a lot of it), car accident which lead to 5 years of chronic pain and learning how to cope with it. I can relate to trying everything for a diagnosis (I am sorry to hear about yours, mine took 5 years to locate the causes of back and wrist pain but thankfully once found, they have been treated and seem to have relieved me of 90% of my daily pain).

Through a pain specialist I used to see, I learned about a different kind of therapist who ONLY deals with patients who have chronic pain. Mine taught me about biofeedback therapy and helped train me to lower my heart rate through breathing a certain way and it helped a little to take the focus off the pain (it's hard to do and obviously make the pain stop, but it helped me not go into a panic when the pain was really bad). She also helped me come to terms with the fact that chronic pain is something that I may live with for the rest of my life (thankfully, I seem to be almost 100% better, but I know it may only be temporary relief, but I'm optimistic but I know others don't have that luxury).

I don't know how common pain therapists are, but if it sounds like something you'd be interested in pursuing further, PM me and I will give you the name and number of mine, I know we're not in the same area but she might be able to help find one in yours or at least help know what type of speciality to look for in a therapist to help live with the pain.

Crazygirl79

11-24-09, 09:09 PM

I experience this type of depression and it can last for months in fact I've experienced it since the age of 11 so I've been to hell and back but right now I'd like to add a positive post and tell people that I've been depression free for almost 6 weeks and it's good to have a break from it, while I'm having a great time now I'm all too aware that I could fall back into that hole at anytime but for now I'm going to live life to the fullest and take advantage of this good health.

Why have I been depressing free for that long you may ask?? well I've been staying away from people, places and things that aggravate the depression and I haven't actually been on my meds for sometime now but plan to go back on them next week.

Sometimes it's not just medication that keeps the depression at bay...meds are only mental health bandaids for want of a better term but it's up to us as individuals to do some of the work too.

People who suffer depression will never be cured or beat it but they sure as hell can control it and get on top of it and live an excellent life.

I hope this helps

Selena

ToadysFroggy

12-22-09, 08:26 PM

I thought I had situational depression after a head on collision in 1988 led to diagnoses of CFS and FMS...I got treated for it for about 4 years and then the doctor said I was fine and didn't need them anymore (from 1995-1999)...and I was fine when I was not on them!

Then I noticed I was exhibiting the same symptoms in 2003 and was put back on anti-deps! I have stayed on them except for a time last year when I detoxed off all of my meds to see if I would qualify for a medication study for Fibromyalgia...I was in the worst shape I had ever been in...

My psychiatrist told me that SD and CD (Clinical Depression) go through the same processes in the body but with SD, you can "recover" after a certain regimine of the right medication...and with CD, you need to stay on your anti-deps to keep the process under control. Needless to say, what was originally dx'ed as SD, was extremely mild CD. Now my CD needs daily medication!:cool:

leapofaith

12-22-09, 09:12 PM

Indeed a great topic. In hindsight, I have dealt with depression on and off my entire life and can attribute it to my undiagnosed ADHD. But, I somehow would work through things and get out of my depression without the intervention of medication or therapy.

I am now 37 y/o woman with 2 kids. Over the last 6 years everything and I mean EVERYTHING in my life has changed. In 2005 I finally sought out help for my situational depression. Prior to 2003 I was employed as a full time Fire fighter and Paramedic for 10 years. I absolutely LOVED my job. I was happy to wake up and go to work. I was grateful that I got to be one of the few people who find their jobs to fit them perfectly. The crazier things got, the more focused I became. Truly a great job for a ADHD person! In 2000 I left five year abusive relationship. Bought my very own home, my first one. I bought the red Jeep Wrangler I had always wanted. I lost about 50lbs working out hard and eating right. It was, by far, the HAPPIEST time in my life. I was raised by a mother who was very abusive. She had several undiagnosed mental problems and is a drug addict. So more than the pure happiness I was feeling, I was for the first time in a stable home. Even though it was just me. It was a huge relief to finally be somewhere that was MINE and no one could interfere with my happiness or stability. For the first time in my life, I was truly healthy both physically and emotionally. It was no accident that I had never been married or had kids. I never wanted to be like my mother, alone with kids no career or education. Forced to live in hell and off welfare....

In early 2003 I met and started dating a guy who I thought was the man of my dreams. I thought "just icing on the cake baby!"

TBC....sorry